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#6461 ALEX SENJU

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 12:58 AM

I didn't say it was scary. The one who wrote it say so. I want to know if the chapter 700 will be 3 years after The Last.

Oh sorry thought that was you (im on mobile)
Im not sure how many years it is set after the last but from what ive heard it is set after the last. And 3 years sounds about right, enough time to have a kid or two ;)

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 12:58 AM

I didn't say it was scary. The one who wrote it say so. I want to know if the chapter 700 will be 3 years after The Last.

hmm I dunno. 

 

All we know is that it is sometime after The Last. I don't think it matters when.


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Posted 03 November 2014 - 12:59 AM

 

You don't have to tell me again.   :no:   I have believed from the beginning that this film represented a nod to Hinata's fans and to her final growth as a character, something Kishimoto couldn't do in the manga without spoiling the final pairing before the end.

 

Kishimoto has let Hinata languish throughout the story, finally tripping and falling, unable to reach Naruto while Sakura is at his side and saves his life.  It could not have been more symbolic that while her heart might be in the right place, Hinata would never be at Naruto's side and was not meant to be there.  Since then, she has been completely off-page, trapped in the Infinite Tsukuyomi like the rest of the non-essential characters.

 

However, to have spelled that out until the very end would have given away Kishimoto's intentions.  But Hinata will get a movie to resolve her feelings and issues.

 

That's my opinion, anyway.

Well said.

 

My only complaint with this movie. Is that Kishi could've easily resolve Hinata's situation in the manga. There was no need to contrive a brand new villain just so you can close the Hinata chapter. That's what really annoys me about this.

This movie is purely made for Hinata and maybe just maybe we're going to get a proper backstory to Kaguya.


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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:00 AM

hmm I dunno. 

 

All we know is that it is sometime after The Last. I don't think it matters when.

 

agreed. excited  :th_yeah:



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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:01 AM

 

Guys, is this true? :argh:

lawlliets:

lawlliets:

i’m actually scared of chapter 700.. apparently it’s set 6 years after the war like… i’m scared and worried and afraid of what the kitten will happen

the movie is set inbetween chapter 699 and chapter 700. the last takes place like 3 or 2 years after the war / chapter 699, while chapter 700 is set 6 years after the war / chapter 699 (and set about 3 years after the last)

 

Lets hope Naruto's hair is long by then.


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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:02 AM

Lets hope Naruto's hair is long by then.

 

lol, are you worried only about hairs leight in the epilogue?


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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:03 AM

As much as we care about the romance, how much does Kishi really care about the development is what needs to be asked.

No, what needs to be asked is how much you guys believe in kishi.

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:04 AM

fyi, that assistant on twitter was the real deal. Too many legit sources have confirmed so, including takL (who always knows what he's talking about) on NF.



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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:05 AM

No, what needs to be asked is how much you guys believe in kishi.

I have faith in what he intended to to. But how well he deals with pressure of his editors, SP, etc. is a different story. But im still positive of the outcome :)

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:06 AM

 sigh... you guys are still worried huh you guys need to have more faith in masashi i know the movie feels like nh but he's been building up ns since chapter 3 15 long yrs he wouldn't throw away the build up in a 90 minute film also naruto kept his most important promise ever to her so don't give up on them 


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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:08 AM

fyi, that assistant on twitter was the real deal. Too many legit sources have confirmed so, including takL (who always knows what he's talking about) on NF.

ill believe nh is canon when i see it. And ill be a big enough man to admit i lost (regardless of how big of an ass pull it would be)

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:10 AM

My only complaint with this movie. Is that Kishi could've easily resolve Hinata's situation in the manga. There was no need to contrive a brand new villain just so you can close the Hinata chapter. That's what really annoys me about this.

This movie is purely made for Hinata and maybe just maybe we're going to get a proper backstory to Kaguya.

 

Well, I don't disagree.  I have zero interest in a movie about Hinata or her emotional issues.  I got a can full of her whimpering and hand-wringing in the manga.  

 

But a movie like this is Kishimoto's style.  He didn't get everything he wanted crammed into the manga -- because in his own words he "threw in too much" and didn't get it all wrapped up.  It was the same with RtN; he wanted to do some things that didn't fit or he couldn't work into the main story, so he did a movie.

 

And I think Kishimoto owes his reading public a proper backstory on Kaguya.  His execution of that part of the story was lackluster to say the least.

 

As for me, it really grinds my gears that Kishimoto is retconning some crap about Naruto snubbing Hinata as a child.  If the Naruto fandom needed more proof that Naruto and Hinata had next to zero mutual development, it is proven by the fact that retcon dipshittery like that is necessary to even give Hinata a plot in which to interact with Naruto.    :argh:



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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:15 AM

 

Guys, is this true? :argh:

lawlliets:

lawlliets:

i’m actually scared of chapter 700.. apparently it’s set 6 years after the war like… i’m scared and worried and afraid of what the kitten will happen

the movie is set inbetween chapter 699 and chapter 700. the last takes place like 3 or 2 years after the war / chapter 699, while chapter 700 is set 6 years after the war / chapter 699 (and set about 3 years after the last)

 

The movie being set 2 years later is accurate. But I believe that it is the "blank" period between 699 (Present day) and 700 (some years after the manga and the movie). The movie is a way to explain the epilogue.


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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:15 AM

fyi, that assistant on twitter was the real deal. Too many legit sources have confirmed so, including takL (who always knows what he's talking about) on NF.

What legit sources? Link them. I simply just can't believe that crap. Can you link that interview here again? Also, Takl isn't really 100% reliable.

 

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Why would Kishimoto make this chapter cover directly after 615 if he thought that Sakura wasn't really the heroine?


Edited by Elicit, 03 November 2014 - 01:20 AM.


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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:17 AM

Well, I don't disagree.  I have zero interest in a movie about Hinata or her emotional issues.  I got a can full of her whimpering and hand-wringing in the manga.  
 
But a movie like this is Kishimoto's style.  He didn't get everything he wanted crammed into the manga -- because in his own words he "threw in too much" and didn't get it all wrapped up.  It was the same with RtN; he wanted to do some things that didn't fit or he couldn't work into the main story, so he did a movie.
 
And I think Kishimoto owes his reading public a proper backstory on Kaguya.  His execution of that part of the story was lackluster to say the least.
 
As for me, it really grinds my gears that Kishimoto is retconning some crap about Naruto snubbing Hinata as a child.  If the Naruto fandom needed more proof that Naruto and Hinata had next to zero mutual development, it is proven by the fact that retcon dipkittentery like that is necessary to even give Hinata a plot in which to interact with Naruto.    :argh:


I still can't believe she's getting closure through a damn FILM! it ain't that serious. Treat it like the aftermath of her confession! Lmao hell act like closure happened during the timeskip...

Edited by StriderC, 03 November 2014 - 01:20 AM.


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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:17 AM

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:17 AM

It annoys me that in order to make an attempt at Naruto and Hinata development it has to be done in a movie, outside of manga context. Its no better than the crappy fillers from Pierot or something that can be consider an idea for a fan fiction.


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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:20 AM

i want the ending of the movie to turn out with Naruto throwing into the air and Sakura shattering the Meteorite with her fist.

 

and as shes falling down from the sky Naruto catches her, in a similiar scene with Kushina and Minato

 

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this happened in road to ninja once, which was by kishi also, I'm surprised you didn't mention it xD


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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:20 AM

ill believe nh is canon when i see it. And ill be a big enough man to admit i lost (regardless of how big of an ass pull it would be)

The assistant didn't say NH was canon. This is what he said (which imo is equally as bad):

*Warning-- This is upsetting

 

takL :well i dont want to go translate all the tweetes
but
in short
the assistant says
he has no idea why naruhina on the trend as hes totally out of the loop about the film
but he thinks its been obvious that narusaku isnt happening. he heard kish say that theres no (specific) 'heroine (note that jp tend to mean a 'main love interest' with this word)' in Naruto and sakura isnt.
he thinks he hasnt seen naruto chasing after sakura since the pain arc. the manga hasnt told anything about narutos (romantic) feelings since then.
he wonders how the fans take vol 64.
either way it saddens him to see fans bashing sakura,
or (chara) fans fighting with each other.

 

 

I'm at a point where I'm just ready to get this over with. I said before that Kishi could go either way and it looks to me like he chose the sh*tty route.



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Posted 03 November 2014 - 01:23 AM

 

Well, I don't disagree.  I have zero interest in a movie about Hinata or her emotional issues.  I got a can full of her whimpering and hand-wringing in the manga.  

 

But a movie like this is Kishimoto's style.  He didn't get everything he wanted crammed into the manga -- because in his own words he "threw in too much" and didn't get it all wrapped up.  It was the same with RtN; he wanted to do some things that didn't fit or he couldn't work into the main story, so he did a movie.

 

And I think Kishimoto owes his reading public a proper backstory on Kaguya.  His execution of that part of the story was lackluster to say the least.

 

As for me, it really grinds my gears that Kishimoto is retconning some crap about Naruto snubbing Hinata as a child.  If the Naruto fandom needed more proof that Naruto and Hinata had next to zero mutual development, it is proven by the fact that retcon dipkittentery like that is necessary to even give Hinata a plot in which to interact with Naruto.    :argh:

It's true that Kishi does owes us a proper explanation to Kaguya's backstory, but to be honest I'm not really expecting one. Even though there are so many questions that were left unanswered.

I hope he does tell us exactly why Kaguya did what she did, why did she create an army of Zetsu's, what the hell happened to Hamura and on and on.


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These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.





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