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#6441 FoolishYoungling

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 03:09 AM

QUOTE (Boom...Winning @ Nov 7 2011, 03:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Did you find this on Yahoo Answers? I feel like I've read this before. But I guess it could have been reposted.

Anyways, the person's argument is pretty flimsy. They say themselves that Kushina was like Sakura as a child, but then start listing off really general comparisons between Hinata and Kushina that work for several characters, including Sakura. Sakura has also put her life on the line for Naruto, and she also wanted to be recognized for her talents.
And then the cooking thing. *groan* First off, other than filler, there's no evidence as how well Sakura and Hinata cook. Sakura was shown as a poor cook in a filler scene to basically fill out that stereotypical tsundere trait, and Hinata was only shown to make food that Naruto thought was tasty. I mean, the guy's not a culinary expert, he only eats one dish for the most part. But again, it's filler, so unless they can prove that Kishi was involved with that particular episode, it's a pretty flimsy argument.

Basically, this person's really trying to force a comparison. We do it too, I suppose, but if you step back and look at how Kishi drew Kushina in that arc, it really seems blatantly obvious what his intention was. The only exclusive similarities that Kushina and Hinata share are long hair and having been kidnapped by Kumogakure nin interested in their exotic bloodlines. And the first comparison is pretty flimsy, seeing as how Hinata hasn't always had long hair, and it's never been as long as Kushina's. With Sakura, on the other hand, we have tsundere tendencies, initial dislike for the hero, almost identically drawn mannerisms, and probably several other exclusive common traits I'm forgetting.

I don't mean to be rude to the general Naru/Hina fandom, but they really should just avoid bringing up Kushina's last words. That's really an uphill battle for them.

Also, random question, but when was Kushina shown to be a good cook? I must have missed something when I read that arc, because I don't remember Minato saying anything about her cooking.


Naruto and Hinata's reunion could have been romantic, but I think it's own of those things where the scene will be perceived differently based on people's personal shipping preference. Basically though, I took it as Hinata finally moving past hero-worshipping, and finally understanding Naruto somewhat. But, that in itself could be seen as either closure or a sign of good things to come for that pairing. I don't think the latter is likely, but I'll acknowledge it as a possibility.

As for Sakura, she definitely noticed Naruto right away, and their initial interaction was much more intimate than Hinata's (looking each other in the face). However, the scene itself didn't last too long, so it's hard to say if the same understanding took place in their reunion.

Why must you be so smart? But your kinda leaving out that Kushina's act of nature is just like Sakura. Will beat you up in a second if you tick her off, but is deeply a kind-hearted girl. Sakura has had some scenes that show love to Naruto just like Kushina showed love to Naruto. Also, There is a scene where Minato saves Kushina and looks back at Madara with a evil glare, and thats the same exact thing they did with the team 7 reunion when Naruto saved Sakrua from Sasuke, and yes I mean the EXACT THING, face, eyes, mouth, arms, just everything.

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 03:12 AM

"As a young girl, Kushina was loud and a bit short-tempered just like Sakura, but after Minato rescued her, he gained her respect. That's where the similarities end."



Really? Can you imagine Hinata in Kushina's place? Ok now imagine Sakura doing the same thing. There's your answer.
Keep in mind this is what Kishi drew so this portrayal of Kushina is definitely canon.

Edited by Darth Krypt, 07 November 2011 - 03:15 AM.

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#6443 FoolishYoungling

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 03:17 AM

QUOTE (Darth Krypt @ Nov 7 2011, 03:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"As a young girl, Kushina was loud and a bit short-tempered just like Sakura, but after Minato rescued her, he gained her respect. That's where the similarities end."



Really? Can you imagine Hinata in Kushina's place? Ok now imagine Sakura doing the same thing. There's your answer.
Keep in mind this is what Kishi drew so this portrayal of Kushina is definitely canon.

Kishi drew that? I always knew Kishi loved us! powerglomp.gif <--- me with Kishi

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 05:22 AM

QUOTE (Darth Krypt @ Nov 6 2011, 07:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"As a young girl, Kushina was loud and a bit short-tempered just like Sakura, but after Minato rescued her, he gained her respect. That's where the similarities end."



Really? Can you imagine Hinata in Kushina's place? Ok now imagine Sakura doing the same thing. There's your answer.
Keep in mind this is what Kishi drew so this portrayal of Kushina is definitely canon.


That cover is so friken awesome, it makes me want to think that maybe something like that could happen with Naruto and his future family and I honestly can't see Hinata in Kushina's place, maybe in an OOC fanfic that I wouldn't read, but certainly not for a canon story. Now Sakura in Kushina's place? Definitely, 100% for sure.

Edited by Anguyen92, 07 November 2011 - 05:23 AM.

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 05:38 AM

QUOTE (BabyVee @ Nov 7 2011, 11:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
LOL @ Darth Krypt's post! Not only can I imagine Sakura in Kushina's place, I can imagine Naruto in Minato's place encouraging their young son to run :3.


I don't think he'll be encouraging. Naruto will be running away together with the son. laugh.gif

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 05:05 PM

QUOTE (BabyVee @ Nov 6 2011, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kushina who would never put down Minato

sometimes I wonder what manga these people are reading... http://www.mangafox....53/c498/11.html http://www.mangafox....53/c498/13.html

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 09:16 PM

Hinata like Kushina huh? huh.gif More like Hinata= Minato fan girls he did not talk to much if at all laugh.gif

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 09:20 PM

QUOTE (Darth Krypt @ Nov 7 2011, 12:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think he'll be encouraging. Naruto will be running away together with the son. laugh.gif

Or daughter. Im hoping for a daughter.

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 09:24 PM

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Or daughter. Im hoping for a daughter.

son and daughter... Sasuke and Hinata will be their names, because they will both die holding each other hands and making love, so Naruto and Sakura will give them their names to honor them being the best crack pairing ever.

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#6450 LegendaryArcanine42

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 09:36 PM

QUOTE (HenryFlitzroy @ Nov 7 2011, 01:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This NH ''argument'' seems to follow a pattern NH fans often seem to take.

Step 1: Take an random obvious NS moment.

Step 2: Twist the meaning of the moment so much nobody knows what you are talking about anymore, and don't forget to make up random ''canon'' information only you seem to have.

Step 3: Add a ''that part of the argument is definitely true line'' (here: No one can dispute that fact.)

Step 4: Throw in a random, meaningless, completely irrelevant minor filler moment just because you can and because it's so meaningfull.

Step 5: Remind your readers that Sakura is in fact, Hitler reborn, and add how sweet, perfect and innocent Hinata is.

Step 6: Profit.


See this? This made friggin lol...

I'm gonna go bother some NH fans, be right back biggrin.gif

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 09:42 PM

QUOTE (HenryFlitzroy @ Nov 6 2011, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This NH ''argument'' seems to follow a pattern NH fans often seem to take.

Step 1: Take an random obvious NS moment.

Step 2: Twist the meaning of the moment so much nobody knows what you are talking about anymore, and don't forget to make up random ''canon'' information only you seem to have.

Step 3: Add a ''that part of the argument is definitely true line'' (here: No one can dispute that fact.)

Step 4: Throw in a random, meaningless, completely irrelevant minor filler moment just because you can and because it's so meaningfull.

Step 5: Remind your readers that Sakura is in fact, Hitler reborn, and add how sweet, perfect and innocent Hinata is.

Step 6: Profit.


That part right there is what really grinds my gears. If the NH people try to twist the meaning where its kinda confusing to see, how in the world will they make their case clear to anyone other than a NH shipper? The people might think that the NH person that twist the meaning is crazy which makes the fandom look bad.

And I don't have anything against NH fans, they can ship whoever they want, but if they make all of these lies and twists and bashing at Sakura, then they are not really doing anyone any favors. Btw, if there are any Naruino fans, do their fandom sometimes twist certain things?

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 09:44 PM

QUOTE (Anguyen92 @ Nov 7 2011, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That part right there is what really grinds my gears. If the NH people try to twist the meaning where its kinda confusing to see, how in the world will they make their case clear to anyone other than a NH shipper? The people might think that the NH person that twist the meaning is crazy which makes the fandom look bad.

And I don't have anything against NH fans, they can ship whoever they want, but if they make all of these lies and twists and bashing at Sakura, then they are not really doing anyone any favors. Btw, if there are any Naruino fans, do their fandom sometimes twist certain things?


Only the really extreme NaruIno fans twist the plot... But otherwise I don't think they do tongue.gif

The base of their arguments is not dissimilar to NaruSaku, but they have less proof and are a lot more irrational in some aspects... Nowhere near as bad as NaruHina tongue.gif

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 09:49 PM

Speaking of NaruIno, am I the only one starting to think that they look like cousins?

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#6454 LegendaryArcanine42

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 09:56 PM

Oh most definitely tongue.gif

That's what makes NaruIno even hotter biggrin.gif

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 10:09 PM

QUOTE (LegendaryArcanine42 @ Nov 7 2011, 10:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh most definitely tongue.gif

That's what makes NaruIno even hotter biggrin.gif

Are you saying cousins with cousins is hot? THE HECK?

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 10:11 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku1 @ Nov 7 2011, 11:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Are you saying cousins with cousins is hot? THE HECK?


NaruNaru is twincest and people find it hawt...

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 10:28 PM

QUOTE (LegendaryArcanine42 @ Nov 7 2011, 10:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
NaruNaru is twincest and people find it hawt...

DON'T JUDGE ME!!! XO

I said NaruIno..

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 10:33 PM

I was justifying my Incest fetish by comparing it to Twincest lovers tongue.gif

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 10:38 PM

HOW did NaruIno pop up again? not that I'm complaining just wondering how it was brought up. OH, hey guys! I was wondering since we're discussing this I want to bring up a related topic. Who here thinks tsundere type A is cute? I do, cause I think it's adorable that they are just shy and insecure to express their feelings properly so resort to angry violence as a substitute In other words, they're the shy types. happy.gif Tsundere type B I also admire cause they show string will to correct their love interests' bad habits or behaviors biggrin.gif

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 10:44 PM

QUOTE (Phantom_999 @ Nov 7 2011, 02:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
HOW did NaruIno pop up again? not that I'm complaining just wondering how it was brought up.


Well, I was the cause of it because I was just wondering if their fandom tries to twist canon/hints materials to suit their favor and try to pass it off as canon like some of the Naruhina fans has been doing which kinda grinds my gears.

Edited by Anguyen92, 07 November 2011 - 10:45 PM.

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