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#6421 Fenris

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 06:02 PM

QUOTE (Phantom_999 @ Nov 6 2011, 07:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay okay! the official character data book from 2008 is coming out in North America next year January. so I'll get it and confirm its content in English ( if it's translated without bias) rolleyes.gif

Databooks? They have those? What are they? About pairings or something? and- I'll just stop asking questions xD
 
 
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Posted 06 November 2011 - 06:06 PM

QUOTE (Phantom_999 @ Nov 6 2011, 06:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay okay! the official character data book from 2008 is coming out in North America next year January. so I'll get it and confirm its content in English ( if it's translated without bias) rolleyes.gif


Don't worry Tora Chan who lives in japan translated the databook 3 in 2008 and trust me its unbiased. so nothing to worry about.

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"Since when she was a child Sakura had always felt admiration and a feeling similar to love for Sasuke. Naruto was just an "annoying" boy who stood in the middle between Sakura and Sasuke and disturbed their relationship. But after completing many missions together with him, she looked back at the past and finally realized: when she was in trouble, when she was ready to give up on her life, the one who was always there, protecting her and encouraging her, was in fact that "annoying" boy, Naruto. What are her current feelings for Naruto...? Sakura still hasn't found an answer."

Tora Chan: Welllllll..... XD;; I don't know, I kind of appreciate the pairing so I might be biased, but I think this is pretty obvious...
(and YES, I assure you the translation is correct and unbiased ).


I've seen another translation on Naruto Fan Forum and its the same exact thing. happy.gif

Edited by Living Lavish, 06 November 2011 - 06:07 PM.


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Posted 06 November 2011 - 06:07 PM

QUOTE (Living Lavish @ Nov 6 2011, 07:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Don't worry Tora Chan who lives in japan translated the databook 3 in 2008 and trust me its unbaised



I've seen another translation on Naruto Fan Forum and its the same exact thing. happy.gif


OH. I AM SO IN LOVE WITH THAT QUOTE BY TORA CHAN ^___^, LAVISH. NS all the way. c:
I cant wait for hte databook

Edited by iamfenris, 06 November 2011 - 06:28 PM.

 
 
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Posted 06 November 2011 - 08:01 PM

QUOTE (LegendaryArcanine42 @ Nov 6 2011, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is the part where I concede defeat tongue.gif


Its all right. There are times where there has to be a point to let things go and pick another fight for another day. If there are moments that happens for any pairing, the opposition just got to let it go and maybe wait for their turn to come in the future.

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 08:10 PM

QUOTE (Anguyen92 @ Nov 6 2011, 08:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Its all right. There are times where there has to be a point to let things go and pick another fight for another day. If there are moments that happens for any pairing, the opposition just got to let it go and maybe wait for their turn to come in the future.

What if your turn does come Anguyen92-kun?

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#6426 Anguyen92

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 08:15 PM

^^ What, in life or in the manga? Because if its in life and my moment has come, I'm going to retire somewhere in Couer D'Alene, Idaho. But if we do get a NaruSaku moment, I'm just going to take it all in and wait a few more days to make a good analysis of it.

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#6427 Phantom_999

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 08:18 PM

QUOTE (Living Lavish @ Nov 6 2011, 07:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Don't worry Tora Chan who lives in japan translated the databook 3 in 2008 and trust me its unbiased. so nothing to worry about.



I've seen another translation on Naruto Fan Forum and its the same exact thing. happy.gif


I meant when they actually dub it and bring here to north america not translate the Japanese writing. Hopefully it's not some NH spaz translating it rolleyes.gif anyways I'm getting it soon

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 08:19 PM

QUOTE (Phantom_999 @ Nov 6 2011, 08:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I meant when they actually dub it and bring here to north america not translate the Japanese writing. Hopefully it's not some NH spaz translating it rolleyes.gif anyways I'm getting it soon

Can you get me a copy? happy.gif

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 10:35 PM

so this is a post I saw a NH make and get many thumbs up:

In Manga 504 naruto's mother says to naruto that he should not choose a girl who is weird (referring to how naruto always calls hinata weird and strange).

Correction, in the manga 504 Kushina say's that he should try not to pick a weird one, and one who is more like his mother. This is obviously a joke on her part as Kushina herself is far from normal and is considered weird, no one can dispute that fact.

It almost funny that no one can see any similarities between Kushina and Hinata. She indeed said that she wanted Naruto to fall in love with a girl like his mother, and that's when you have to analyze Kushina as a young girl and Kushina as an adult. As a young girl, Kushina was loud and a bit short-tempered just like Sakura, but after Minato rescued her, he gained her respect. That's where the similarities end. This is where the comparison to Hinata comes in. Hinata, much like Kushina, did not hesitate to put her life on the line for Naruto. Kushina and Hinata both wanted to be recognized for their talents, though Hinata wasn't nearly so bold in exclaiming it. And finally in comparison, both Kushina and Hinata are good cooks (as stated by Minato about his wife and Naruto about Hinata during a mission). Sakura has always been a bit verbally abusive to Naruto yet Hinata would never say anything that would belittle him, much like Kushina who would never put down Minato, even when she though he was too soft of a ninja (she just ignored him).

It seems if Kushina want Naruto to fall in love with someone like her, Hinata would be the perfect candidate.

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It's wierd how Kushina told Naruto not to get a wierd girl but then tells him to get a girl like his mother, cause she is wierder than all of the girls in the manga.
I think when she said wierd she meant dangerous.





sakura would do anything 4 naruto stop pin pointing hinata ...after she gave birth she told naruto the was the only agurment he won .....minato and kushina ...r sakura and naruto.....goku and chi chi....runo and dan......so on
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Okay how does this make any since? They are using fillers to compare her to Kushina, and saying her older self isn't like Sakura at all. I got over 100 ways to describe her like Kushina in young or older versions. He/She also stated that Kushina was just weird at a young age. I'm sorry, but she was way more aggresive and beat people up, not shy and innocent looking like Hinata. Well, what did we expect? NH fans once again saying their fillers count and ours don't. Wonder how positive they can be over their crap when we win. I'm not bashing, but I just want everyone to see yet again, how the NH is responding to us. (not all NH is like this, just to most liked NH fans)

Edited by NaruSaku1, 06 November 2011 - 10:42 PM.

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 10:52 PM

This should be in the debate thread.

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 10:54 PM

QUOTE (Miss Soupy @ Nov 6 2011, 10:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This should be in the debate thread.

Well then this one needs to be closed..

edit: or moved

Edited by NaruSaku1, 06 November 2011 - 10:54 PM.

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 12:02 AM

"Hinata, much like Kushina, did not hesitate to put her life on the line for Naruto."

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 12:17 AM

This NH ''argument'' seems to follow a pattern NH fans often seem to take.

Step 1: Take an random obvious NS moment.

Step 2: Twist the meaning of the moment so much nobody knows what you are talking about anymore, and don't forget to make up random ''canon'' information only you seem to have.

Step 3: Add a ''that part of the argument is definitely true line'' (here: No one can dispute that fact.)

Step 4: Throw in a random, meaningless, completely irrelevant minor filler moment just because you can and because it's so meaningfull.

Step 5: Remind your readers that Sakura is in fact, Hitler reborn, and add how sweet, perfect and innocent Hinata is.

Step 6: Profit.
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 12:36 AM

oh man...this naruhina fan on TY is confident enough to bet me that hinata will kiss naruto first.....

i was like O.o you sure man??


and the winner has to post the moment up. XD

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 12:56 AM

QUOTE (Konan-chan @ Nov 7 2011, 01:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There is only one emoticon that can describe this. Behold the mighty facepalm.png

As far as I can tell, when has it shown Hinata is a good cook. I've seen the anime studio try to make it look like Sakura can't cook. facepalm.png Filler, filler and what do you know? More filler. Ugh. If filler really counted (which it doesn't) I'd like to see their faces when 235 came out. I think this should be in the debate thread, it needs a boost.

Their responded like this when it came out: OMG! That filler doesn't count, who made this, because it so doesn't follow up with the story, I mean, when in the manga has Naruto ever shown love for Sakura?

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So yeah, what the heck is what I said. Also what do you mean by this needs a boost?

Edited by NaruSaku1, 07 November 2011 - 01:00 AM.

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 12:59 AM

topics merged.

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 01:06 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku1 @ Nov 6 2011, 08:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can you get me a copy? happy.gif


Okay but you need to give me the money to buy it smile.gif

QUOTE (NaruSaku1 @ Nov 7 2011, 02:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What if we just call it a birthday present? (20 days till birthday)


It will be belated. Not coming out till next year January.

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 01:08 AM

QUOTE (Phantom_999 @ Nov 7 2011, 01:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay but you need to give me the money to buy it smile.gif

What if we just call it a birthday present? (20 days till birthday)

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 02:01 AM

QUOTE (BabyVee @ Nov 7 2011, 02:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Something that just occurred to me for a debate topic. When chapter 559 came out(and actually even now) NH fans were talking about how Hinata and Naruto's relationship was so powerful because Hinata recognized him by looking at his eyes.

So then what does it say when Sakura was able to recognize him right away(like by seeing his face and body)?

Or am I taking things too literally?(I dunno I'm just bringing up a topic for debate since I haven't been posting lately tongue.gif)

I don't know, but I'm sure they called the greatest girl in the world (Sakura-chan) a s**t again. I just laugh at how sad and trolling they are..

Edited by NaruSaku1, 07 November 2011 - 02:20 AM.

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 02:49 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku1 @ Nov 6 2011, 04:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
so this is a post I saw a NH make and get many thumbs up:

In Manga 504 naruto's mother says to naruto that he should not choose a girl who is weird (referring to how naruto always calls hinata weird and strange).

Correction, in the manga 504 Kushina say's that he should try not to pick a weird one, and one who is more like his mother. This is obviously a joke on her part as Kushina herself is far from normal and is considered weird, no one can dispute that fact.

It almost funny that no one can see any similarities between Kushina and Hinata. She indeed said that she wanted Naruto to fall in love with a girl like his mother, and that's when you have to analyze Kushina as a young girl and Kushina as an adult. As a young girl, Kushina was loud and a bit short-tempered just like Sakura, but after Minato rescued her, he gained her respect. That's where the similarities end. This is where the comparison to Hinata comes in. Hinata, much like Kushina, did not hesitate to put her life on the line for Naruto. Kushina and Hinata both wanted to be recognized for their talents, though Hinata wasn't nearly so bold in exclaiming it. And finally in comparison, both Kushina and Hinata are good cooks (as stated by Minato about his wife and Naruto about Hinata during a mission). Sakura has always been a bit verbally abusive to Naruto yet Hinata would never say anything that would belittle him, much like Kushina who would never put down Minato, even when she though he was too soft of a ninja (she just ignored him).

It seems if Kushina want Naruto to fall in love with someone like her, Hinata would be the perfect candidate.

Did you find this on Yahoo Answers? I feel like I've read this before. But I guess it could have been reposted.

Anyways, the person's argument is pretty flimsy. They say themselves that Kushina was like Sakura as a child, but then start listing off really general comparisons between Hinata and Kushina that work for several characters, including Sakura. Sakura has also put her life on the line for Naruto, and she also wanted to be recognized for her talents.
And then the cooking thing. *groan* First off, other than filler, there's no evidence as how well Sakura and Hinata cook. Sakura was shown as a poor cook in a filler scene to basically fill out that stereotypical tsundere trait, and Hinata was only shown to make food that Naruto thought was tasty. I mean, the guy's not a culinary expert, he only eats one dish for the most part. But again, it's filler, so unless they can prove that Kishi was involved with that particular episode, it's a pretty flimsy argument.

Basically, this person's really trying to force a comparison. We do it too, I suppose, but if you step back and look at how Kishi drew Kushina in that arc, it really seems blatantly obvious what his intention was. The only exclusive similarities that Kushina and Hinata share are long hair and having been kidnapped by Kumogakure nin interested in their exotic bloodlines. And the first comparison is pretty flimsy, seeing as how Hinata hasn't always had long hair, and it's never been as long as Kushina's. With Sakura, on the other hand, we have tsundere tendencies, initial dislike for the hero, almost identically drawn mannerisms, and probably several other exclusive common traits I'm forgetting.

I don't mean to be rude to the general Naru/Hina fandom, but they really should just avoid bringing up Kushina's last words. That's really an uphill battle for them.

Also, random question, but when was Kushina shown to be a good cook? I must have missed something when I read that arc, because I don't remember Minato saying anything about her cooking.

QUOTE (BabyVee @ Nov 6 2011, 07:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Something that just occurred to me for a debate topic. When chapter 559 came out(and actually even now) NH fans were talking about how Hinata and Naruto's relationship was so powerful because Hinata recognized him by looking at his eyes.

So then what does it say when Sakura was able to recognize him right away(like by seeing his face and body)?

Or am I taking things too literally?(I dunno I'm just bringing up a topic for debate since I haven't been posting lately tongue.gif)

Naruto and Hinata's reunion could have been romantic, but I think it's own of those things where the scene will be perceived differently based on people's personal shipping preference. Basically though, I took it as Hinata finally moving past hero-worshipping, and finally understanding Naruto somewhat. But, that in itself could be seen as either closure or a sign of good things to come for that pairing. I don't think the latter is likely, but I'll acknowledge it as a possibility.

As for Sakura, she definitely noticed Naruto right away, and their initial interaction was much more intimate than Hinata's (looking each other in the face). However, the scene itself didn't last too long, so it's hard to say if the same understanding took place in their reunion.

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