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Posted 22 August 2013 - 09:13 PM

 

The thing about mythology and different contemporany fiction today is that the author of the fiction can do whatever he wants with the story. Let's take greek mythology, Can't someone today have Zeus not married to Hera or be in good relation with Cronos his father.

 

Or heck one can do a story where greek gods are represented by characters that don't share the same name but only traits, traits that for someone familiar with greek mythology could identify.

 

So the only real indication is what is in the story. All those connections are real but the manga shows that SS isn't anywhere in the green and probably not even yellow.

 

None of those events are really reflected in the manga so one could say that Kishi is just recycling japanese mythology.

 

Even the Sannin parallel isn't exactly portraited in the manga as is the real stories. There is one version where Orochimaru was a subordinate to Jirayia not a teammate yet in the manga they are teammates.

 

All I'm saying is that Kishi just took some elements and fitted them in the story but it is his, and has power to do what he wants with the characters.

 

 

I would say NS is dead. Kushina's last words would have sealed NS's fate because if anything she would have suggested to Naruto to "not fall for the first girl he met" aka Sakura but fall for Hinata. That's why some of them are trying so hard to win the Minakushi parallel. It's a strong parallel that involves a pairing directly, the other 2 aka team hiruzen and team minato are parallels to team 7.

I wonder.....Well there wasn't much time for Naruto to think about it but I wonder if he ever tried to compare Sakura and Kushina in his mind, to see if the last part of Kushina's advice he followed.

 

 

We do this too. It's no harm until one decides what he thinks is cannon and not just a prediction, an idea or a wish for what happens next in the manga.

we do it but we have solid facts to back it up lols . 


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 09:18 PM

For any fans thinking 631 was a joke or not to be taken seriously, well they should kinda fall back towards what Kushina said. Kishi started it with Kushina and intended there to be a pairing and he followed up on that notion with 631, showing the first direct manga evidence of "a girl like Kushina" which just happened to be Sakura. Now people saying he won't do this or threw a bone to NS, well thats completely wrong. He wrote it with Kushina and could have left it untouched Minato only asking who Sakura was or just thanking her for healing him, the Kushina comparison could have been left out entirely, yet he put it there. He was following through with what he wrote and he will continue to do that.

 

Saying the 631 event is a joke or hoping NH happens regardless of Kushina's foreshadow well, thats off by a large degree, Kishi just can't decide to not follow up on what he wrote with 631, otherwise it would cause the story to well shift once something else comes along that we didn't get any prior notice of. Thats the idea. He needs to keep his consistency, 631 following Kushina's words was the first follow up. 631 will be followed up by a future NS moment or if needed, more input from Minato while he is around. But those who went saying Naruto wont listen or shouldn't listen to Kushina, well its like saying team 7 shouldn't have become the new sannin, we got a lot of notion saying they would and by 634 its become confirmed that they are succeeding their masters. But this is just something fans against NS need to understand, kishi is going to follow and continue the stuff from 631 in time, NS isn't going to vanish, its not going to disappear, its there to stay and its in effect. The possibilities of NS became much greater since 631. Naruto still hasn't given up on Sakura. Much as they want NH or SS, NS has the advantage and kishi is going to stick to that writing unless it was  a trolling development for nothing, I doubt it would be that considering not only 631 but also Kushina's backstory has a hell load of similarities to how Sakura used to act towards Naruto but like Sakura, Kushina changed as she grew with Minato. Its that simple, if it was said this way, it will happen that way, Kushina started the notion of an end pairing, 631 gave a continuation to this with Minato towards Sakura. Because Kishi gave Sakura and Kushina as a comparison to each other, he has to follow with that and the backstory of kushina unless he randomly decided to insert something drastically relating to Hinata (and what sense would that make? at this point, none) well he is going to follow with the stuff as he wrote it, basically anything kushina oriented can fall onto Sakura too, being the only girl compared to Kushina so far, even that alone is enough merit for NS to take canon status. As the stuff is written, it will be followed upon. Don't act suprised if another Sakura-Kushina thing comes up or if Minato sees himself in Naruto and Kushina in Sakura again if he just sees a hug or something and then thinks of how he and Kushina used to be. Its wishful thinking but hey stuff like 631 happened, that opened a rift of NS-MK possibilities and that continues to grow.



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Posted 22 August 2013 - 09:32 PM

^No way an Author would built a relationship from a stick to a huge nest then do massive and obvious foreshadow confirm it and then what? Throw it in nh or ss's feet? How? I dont see a way , not in the sense of bad writing but it would be an incohesive  sub-plot which will lead to the question.. Why did that happen? Because some want it or prefer it? No , no NS is there since chapter 3 and nothing can change that , it wont vaporize into thin air...

Every fan and fandom knows whats coming , so why deny it ? Because it brakes/destroys everything they believed in? Like patient love or reward like but refuse to see the actual development between two characters?

I know nh fans struggle to win MinaKushi saying now that Minato = Hinata , but that doesn't help because Naruto was suppose to meet a girl like his mom , the last thing i saw from that fandom is that NAruto shouldn't listen to his parents.. Dafuq?

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 09:33 PM

For any fans thinking 631 was a joke or not to be taken seriously, well they should kinda fall back towards what Kushina said. Kishi started it with Kushina and intended there to be a pairing and he followed up on that notion with 631, showing the first direct manga evidence of "a girl like Kushina" which just happened to be Sakura. Now people saying he won't do this or threw a bone to NS, well thats completely wrong. He wrote it with Kushina and could have left it untouched Minato only asking who Sakura was or just thanking her for healing him, the Kushina comparison could have been left out entirely, yet he put it there. He was following through with what he wrote and he will continue to do that.

 

Saying the 631 event is a joke or hoping NH happens regardless of Kushina's foreshadow well, thats off by a large degree, Kishi just can't decide to not follow up on what he wrote with 631, otherwise it would cause the story to well shift once something else comes along that we didn't get any prior notice of. Thats the idea. He needs to keep his consistency, 631 following Kushina's words was the first follow up. 631 will be followed up by a future NS moment or if needed, more input from Minato while he is around. But those who went saying Naruto wont listen or shouldn't listen to Kushina, well its like saying team 7 shouldn't have become the new sannin, we got a lot of notion saying they would and by 634 its become confirmed that they are succeeding their masters. But this is just something fans against NS need to understand, kishi is going to follow and continue the stuff from 631 in time, NS isn't going to vanish, its not going to disappear, its there to stay and its in effect. The possibilities of NS became much greater since 631. Naruto still hasn't given up on Sakura. Much as they want NH or SS, NS has the advantage and kishi is going to stick to that writing unless it was  a trolling development for nothing, I doubt it would be that considering not only 631 but also Kushina's backstory has a hell load of similarities to how Sakura used to act towards Naruto but like Sakura, Kushina changed as she grew with Minato. Its that simple, if it was said this way, it will happen that way, Kushina started the notion of an end pairing, 631 gave a continuation to this with Minato towards Sakura. Because Kishi gave Sakura and Kushina as a comparison to each other, he has to follow with that and the backstory of kushina unless he randomly decided to insert something drastically relating to Hinata (and what sense would that make? at this point, none) well he is going to follow with the stuff as he wrote it, basically anything kushina oriented can fall onto Sakura too, being the only girl compared to Kushina so far, even that alone is enough merit for NS to take canon status. As the stuff is written, it will be followed upon. Don't act suprised if another Sakura-Kushina thing comes up or if Minato sees himself in Naruto and Kushina in Sakura again if he just sees a hug or something and then thinks of how he and Kushina used to be. Its wishful thinking but hey stuff like 631 happened, that opened a rift of NS-MK possibilities and that continues to grow.

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 09:59 PM

To be honest, I really kinda stopped debating because it's so obvious that NaruSaku is gonna be cannon that I consider that I don't have to waste my energy with that to be honest...


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 10:09 PM

To be honest, I really kinda stopped debating because it's so obvious that NaruSaku is gonna be cannon that I consider that I don't have to waste my energy with that to be honest...

thats no fun . :P


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 10:12 PM

thats no fun . :P

I;ve had it with the "fun". Of course I like to discuss about different interpretations within the same context but when I see some people lack the comprehensive reading of a 12 year's old...naah...


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 10:16 PM

I;ve had it with the "fun". Of course I like to discuss about different interpretations within the same context but when I see some people lack the comprehensive reading of a 12 year's old...naah...

haha i feel ya , i deal with those kind everyday haha . 


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 10:18 PM

I;ve had it with the "fun". Of course I like to discuss about different interpretations within the same context but when I see some people lack the comprehensive reading of a 12 year's old...naah...

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 10:23 PM

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Really... at the beginning pfft! I was very vocal and fiery about it but then when I realized I don't have with whom to debate. Why even lose my time?


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 10:45 PM

I;ve had it with the "fun". Of course I like to discuss about different interpretations within the same context but when I see some people lack the comprehensive reading of a 12 year's old...naah...

 

Agreed, right now NS is so safe, I'm more interested in the story as a whole with all it's plots and sub-plots to worry about what will happen to NS. Not even moments that surely fans will blow out of proportions can't affect anything.



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Posted 22 August 2013 - 10:57 PM

 

Agreed, right now NS is so safe, I'm more interested in the story as a whole with all it's plots and sub-plots to worry about what will happen to NS. Not even moments that surely fans will blow out of proportions can't affect anything.

its too late for the other shippers it been too late . They might as well sink their own ship with their own cannon . 


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 11:00 PM

 

Agreed, right now NS is so safe, I'm more interested in the story as a whole with all it's plots and sub-plots to worry about what will happen to NS. Not even moments that surely fans will blow out of proportions can't affect anything.

I'm so excited because all the sub-plots are likely to connect to Sakura(I've missed her) and possibly NS moments.

 

The Sasuke sub-plot and Obito's redemption/Rin parallel : D It's like killing two birds with one stone. :fan:


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 11:39 PM

I'm so excited because all the sub-plots are likely to connect to Sakura(I've missed her) and possibly NS moments.

 

The Sasuke sub-plot and Obito's redemption/Rin parallel : D It's like killing two birds with one stone. :fan:

 

2 stones that's too hard for some fans to take apparently. NS kissing in the manga would be seen as her given him "medical attention" god the podcasts made some funny jokes when you listened to them.



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Posted 23 August 2013 - 12:04 AM

 

2 stones that's too hard for some fans to take apparently. NS kissing in the manga would be seen as her given him "medical attention" god the podcasts made some funny jokes when you listened to them.

lols mouth to mouth , cpr . 


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 06:17 AM

I;ve had it with the "fun". Of course I like to discuss about different interpretations within the same context but when I see some people lack the comprehensive reading of a 12 year's old...naah...

Yep, i second this..  either is the lack of comprehension or twisting the narrative/facts in their favor , well you end up wining but the energy and nerves you've spent on arguing not debating  is equal to a 5 hours of jogging or studying rocket engineering...  The second position you may end up in is  either you get bashed , your fandom or one of your close relatives .. :pinch: :confused: :sweatdrop:

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 09:00 AM

 

 

 

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 10:14 AM

Why mayority of naruto fandom hate sakura?
Why they think sakura doesn't deserve heroine status?
What make a heroine?

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 10:21 AM

 

Agreed, right now NS is so safe, I'm more interested in the story as a whole with all it's plots and sub-plots to worry about what will happen to NS. Not even moments that surely fans will blow out of proportions can't affect anything.

 
Pretty much this... I think it's fun to take some ships now and then as well as discuss some probabilities and tendencies from your favorite characters. But honestly this whole pairing war went too far already and some fans chose to dismiss the simplest facts or disrespect any contrary opinion which unfortunately leads to disrespectful behaviors or aggression in general. This kind of debate is not fun anymore.
 
Also, it's very obvious what's going to happen, so I rather just enjoy the manga and see how it's going to happen.

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 10:38 AM


 
Pretty much this... I think it's fun to take some ships now and then as well as discuss some probabilities and tendencies from your favorite characters. But honestly this whole pairing war went too far already and some fans chose to dismiss the simplest facts or disrespect any contrary opinion which unfortunately leads to disrespectful behaviors or aggression in general. This kind of debate is not fun anymore.
 
Also, it's very obvious what's going to happen, so I rather just enjoy the manga and see how it's going to happen.


thing is people allready chose sides. There aren't any doubts and here I refer to all 3 pairings. I think NS will be canon and no one can convince me otherwise. Same can be said for other NH and SS shippers.




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