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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:19 PM

I think Sakura needs someone to remind her of her abilities and give her some confidence. Maybe Ino could do it but Naruto would probably be better for her.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:20 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Dec 14 2012, 12:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dont you think he's already busy closing the development of his side characters? like the guys i pointed out, there's no enough screen time for it.
We already have enough interruptions on naruto's battle.
Sakura had a lot of chapters centered on her, a lot of people got more screentime than her, and hinata she showed a little and even on this newest chapter we didnt even see hinata here ,thanks god.
Let's just wait until next week.


When you can promote time for development with Shikamaru and Ino (which Kishi will focus on next week, btw), there's time to give something to Sakura.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:22 PM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Dec 14 2012, 12:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Like I said before the herione title is up in the air. There's really no telling who the herione in this series is anymore. You have Hinata & Ino recently outshinning Sakura by saving the world during their arrival. And like Atheck said, she was standing behind Naruto at the end of a chapter. Is Hinata's new placement behind Naruto Kishi's way of showing us that Hinata has the herione status? Did Kishi finally give in to her loud fanbase? Looks like it.


No, Sakura will always be main. Its just Kishi needs to give her focus like one.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:24 PM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Dec 13 2012, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Like I said before the herione title is up in the air. There's really no telling who the herione in this series is anymore. You have Hinata & Ino recently outshining Sakura by saving the world during their arrival. And like Atheck said, she was standing behind Naruto at the end of a chapter. Is Hinata's new placement behind Naruto Kishi's way of showing us that Hinata has the herione status? Did Kishi finally give in to her loud fanbase? Looks like it.

1-> Ino who actually was not behind him but at his side, second the picture was not for to show who's more important sakura was right at kakashi's side because she was healing him, hinata was behind naruto because she was bought up with ino, and ino was at naruto's right side, maintaning the same distance as hinata, kiba was there too behind Naruto means that kiba is naruto's boyfriend?, killer bee who's one of naruto's best friend is on the left corner.
Sakura is the main heroine, because things that she do really affect Naruto, and she got more panel time than a lot of people you are judging this because of the recent chapters who are showing everyone, naruto only made two appearances on this recent chapter does it mean that he's not the main character.
Sasuke got a lot of panel time and even an arc only for him does the manga should be renamed to Sasuke because he's a main?

I just forgot you will ignore this comment and make another claim.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 13 December 2012 - 11:27 PM.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:27 PM

QUOTE (AzureWaters @ Dec 14 2012, 12:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I know that. But now, especially because the manga is ending, Sakura should be getting more attention. Its been a few years since Kage Arc, where she did have relevance, but that was a fumble and made everyone dislike her more. Plus it was mostly pairing related. That's good for NS I guess, but just being a love interest and not much else isn't good character development.

Just because the manga is ending(Also if that maybe means that there are still 2 years to go) means that she will get the rest of her development soon enough in that time. Also its not important for her character to fight. Shes is the love interest of the main character, that means the whole romance plot is based on her.
Also till no it have been about 100 chapters from 600 where she dindnt get that much focus and thats not so much i think i you have to understand that kishi has a lot to develope during the war arc

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:27 PM

QUOTE (AzureWaters @ Dec 13 2012, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, Sakura will always be main. Its just Kishi needs to give her focus like one.


He needs to prove it to us. We can't just reminisce on Sakura's past events that happened years ago, like one person is currently doing in this thread.

Edited by luffyq1, 13 December 2012 - 11:28 PM.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:31 PM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Dec 14 2012, 12:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Like I said before the herione title is up in the air. There's really no telling who the herione in this series is anymore. You have Hinata & Ino recently outshining Sakura by saving the world during their arrival. And like Atheck said, she was standing behind Naruto at the end of a chapter. Is Hinata's new placement behind Naruto Kishi's way of showing us that Hinata has the herione status? Did Kishi finally give in to her loud fanbase? Looks like it.


I highly doubt Hinata's taking Sakura's role, if anything, as a Hinata fan - I'm worried. I feel like she's about to do something stupid again (jumping out in front of Pain, getting beaten by Neji really bad because she wouldn't stop just to impress Naruto). I am truly hoping Hinata's wanting to hold Naruto's hand is just her saying she's not afraid to be his friend and walk with him like everyone else. When you really think about it, Hinata's been the only one who was awkward around Naruto and never came across as a friend - just a fangirl. Maybe now she wants to be bold enough to hold his hand and show support (I'd love to believe that Sakura's hug showed her she needs to move on but idk and it's up to Kishi at this point).

I digress though. My main point is that I feel like Hinata's about to get something horrible happen to her again. I'm hoping not but since Naruto's shoulder's dislocated I wouldn't put it past Hinata to jump in front of him - take a blow for him - and sit there bleeding to death for the rest of the manga. She's always doing stupid stuff for her so called love for Naruto - never thinking of the consequences. As a big Hinata fan I can honestly say I truly see Hinata as a selfish girl. She's slowly but surely becoming more and more selfish. A bomb is about to be dropped on this girl and it's either a) Naruto's going to say something to her that's "wow" or b) she's going to witness something NS related.

I'm still hoping she's just pursuing friendship with him. I really am...

As for Sakura, just wait. She's always been the type to take a small role then explode into something bigger. Her skills seem to have been in the background lately but I hope and truly hope that she will show her heroine side again. I mean really Kishi, we've seen her being all "Human" for so long time - if her becoming a manga heroine would make things easier for you, please do it and just discard this human thing because it's just depressing now.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:31 PM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Dec 13 2012, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He needs to prove it to us. We can't just reminisce on Sakura's past events that happened years ago, like one person is currently doing in this thread.


You know people assumed the same thing back during the Sasuke era in the 300s. They even argued that the manga should be renamed "Sasuke" because of his prevalence and Naruto's lack of showing in those days. Granted this is a more extreme case but the similarities are there.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:32 PM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Dec 14 2012, 12:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Like I said before the herione title is up in the air. There's really no telling who the herione in this series is anymore. You have Hinata & Ino recently outshining Sakura by saving the world during their arrival. And like Atheck said, she was standing behind Naruto at the end of a chapter. Is Hinata's new placement behind Naruto Kishi's way of showing us that Hinata has the herione status? Did Kishi finally give in to her loud fanbase? Looks like it.

Bahahahahaha!!!! So you think that group picture is a proof that hinta becomes the heroine maine character instead of sakura?

SERIOUSLY??????

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:33 PM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Dec 13 2012, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He needs to prove it to us. We can't just reminisce on Sakura's past events that happened years ago, like one person is currently doing in this thread.

Ah ok nice logic you got, looks like he drawed 500 chapters for nothing because they do not count including whole characters development and Naruto got his powers from nowhere.
That fight with sasori was tho show that she is the main heroine of this story and you simply reject because on the past 10 chapters she didnt got a spolight.
Kishimoto speed up the manga, with a lot of fights of sasuke and naruto, she got more spotlight than a lot of people and even was the first to praise naruto.
On the Kage's summit arc she got a lot of panel time even more than Naruto( she got 3 chapters with her on a major spotlight in a row.)
Only Naruto and Sasuke had this same treatment.
I'm impressed with this dude i feel like all my arguments got countered, i praise you for this feat.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 13 December 2012 - 11:37 PM.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:37 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Dec 14 2012, 12:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ah ok nice logic you got, looks like he drawed 500 chapters for nothing because they do not count including whole characters development and Naruto got his powers from nowhere.
That fight with sasori was tho show that she is the main heroine of this story and you simply reject because on the past 10 chapters she didnt got a spolight.
Kishimoto speed up the manga, with a lot of fights of sasuke and naruto, she got more spotlight than a lot of people and even was the first to praise naruto.
I'm impressed with this dude i feel like all my arguments got countered, i praise you for this feat.

Thanks that was the exactly same thing i wanted to post next.
But i have no time to keep on discussing now. Iam leaving for now before iam getting a hard attack fron some silly posts there.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:38 PM

QUOTE (Atheck @ Dec 13 2012, 11:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know people assumed the same thing back during the Sasuke era in the 300s. They even argued that the manga should be renamed "Sasuke" because of his prevalence and Naruto's lack of showing in those days. Granted this is a more extreme case but the similarities are there.



When you have people on this site and also in NS fanclub on NF, telling us to lower our expectations of Sakura's character, you have a huge problem.

It's not even funny anymore. People have reasons not to expect much from Sakura's character anymore other than healing boo boos.

Edited by luffyq1, 13 December 2012 - 11:42 PM.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:40 PM

QUOTE (Atheck @ Dec 13 2012, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why doesn't anyone criticize Hinata or Tenten for this? Hinata has not had a significant full fight on-screen since her fight with Neji and Tenten has always been useless except for when she helped remove the barrier to Akatsuki's lair back at the beginning of P2 and then later when she used another individual's overpowered weapon to destroy a few of Kakuzu's hearts. In the grand scheme of things both of them are far less active or useful compared to Sakura. And if that's so then why are they not criticized for their ineptitude?


It should be obvious why Sakura is the one who gets bash. She's the heroine and Naruto's love interest the latter gives the NH fandom enough to hate her, because she's in the way of Hinata getting Naruto according to them.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:43 PM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Dec 13 2012, 11:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When you have people on this site and also in NS fanclub on NF, telling us to lower our expectations of Sakura's character, you have a huge problem.

It's not even funny anymore. People have reasons not to expect much from Sakura's character anymore other than heaing boo boos.

Because you're not telling us to lower our expectations, i told this and explained because kishi is closing the other people developments, you just make some claims that i cant even understand, you saying like she's not a main heroine and recently that hinata is more important than sakura just because that picture that just showed everyone's position with a reason that has nothing to do with character importance, forgetting all naruto's flashback about his friends that always shows sakura first and hinata on the same spot as kiba shino and the others.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:49 PM

Guys, seriously; Sakura has been the only one, out of all the K11, shown actually doing something in recent chapters (aside from Ino). She may not be dropping nuclear warheads and slapping the kitten out of Madara, but still; she's doing something.

That's more than we can say for Hinata, at least.


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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:51 PM

Years of negligence and people are still trying to convince us that Sakura is still currently the heroine. It's to the point of desperation where you have people saying that Kishi is going to give Sakura some huge herione spotlight because she was highlighted in Rtn, since Kishi played a huge part in that movie. That's nice and all, but put it towards something that actually freaking matters, you know, like the manga. Instead of using her as a cash cow for the SS fandom.

She had so much respect years ago in the beginning of shippuden. Now there's a famous video titled "why sakura sucks" and to make it even worse it's not even from a pairing fan.

Is this what's its come to? Simply laughable. I give up.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:55 PM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Dec 13 2012, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Years of negligence and people are still trying to convince us that Sakura is still currently the heroine. It's to the point of desperation where you have people saying that Kishi is going to give Sakura some huge herione spotlight because she was highlighted in Rtn, since Kishi played a huge part in that movie. That's nice and all, but put it towards something that actually freaking matters, you know, like the manga.

She had so much respect years ago in the beginning of shippuden. Now there's a famous video titled "why sakura sucks" and to make it even worse it's not even from a pairing fan.

Is this what's its come to? Simply laughable. I give up.


She still is the Heroine. That's fact. But, still, I agree. It's not that she sucks, it's just that Kishi is forgoing her development for other's.

Remember, he said it's a long way to go for the manga to end; he still has to tie up all of his loose ends, give characters resolutions (the point of this arc, IMO), etc, etc. The only, ONLY reason I can see Hinata having the spotlight this arc is because Kishi is planning on resolving her character, and subsequently, the NaruHina pairing, once and for all. Kishi probably feels he's given Sakura enough development (the transition of her view of Sasuke into the negative, her show of her devotion to Naruto) for a while.

Or he just gave up on her character, and we're going to have Naruto become the Rikoudou sennin Jubi jinchuuriki to rofl stomp Madara then somehow die to Sasuke.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 12:02 AM

QUOTE (swagosaurus @ Dec 13 2012, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
She still is the Heroine. That's fact. But, still, I agree. It's not that she sucks, it's just that Kishi is forgoing her development for other's.

Remember, he said it's a long way to go for the manga to end; he still has to tie up all of his loose ends, give characters resolutions (the point of this arc, IMO), etc, etc. The only, ONLY reason I can see Hinata having the spotlight this arc is because Kishi is planning on resolving her character, and subsequently, the NaruHina pairing, once and for all. Kishi probably feels he's given Sakura enough development (the transition of her view of Sasuke into the negative, her show of her devotion to Naruto) for a while.


Gotta say I agree with this, I really don't think hes gonna go 600 chapters with her being the heroin then just up and switch it. You don't just chnage the main characters right smack in the middle of the story, it just makes no sense.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 12:04 AM

^ Exactly. INB4 Kishi doesn't make sense, I think his 'asspull' tendencies are a little over-glorified. He's yet to make me really shake my head with bad writing. It's not impecable, but it's good enough. That's why we're all here, right?

But on the topic of Kishi's writing; the past few chapters or so, he's really hammered in the Obito/Naruto parallel. If he doesn't use that potential to create a NS moment, due to Rin's influence on Obito's character, I'm giving up on this pairing ever becoming canon.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 12:05 AM

Guys, I understand from where Luffy is coming, seriously.

The fadom works simply, on visual impact. They don't go deep into the matters.
If for them is visually appealing (like Sasori fight) they'll respect her.

If not, they're going to bash her.

Why do you guys think Hinata got so many fans? Because she was shown to fight.

Studio Pierrot's fault, yes, however, they gave to the fandom what they needed.

That's why to them, Hinata is the heroine and Sakura's not.

I can just hope that Kishi's going to redeem Sakura on both parts, power-wise as personality-wise.

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