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[iwant2bnaruto]

I don't mind the over used plots that much. Of course, it can get tiresome and lead to a longing for something original and different. However, sometimes these stories with over used plots can be well written, perhaps having an interesting perspective that will still lead to an enjoyable reading experience.

My biggest beef is with character bashing. I've come across stories that I was enjoying where suddenly a particular charater was just brutalized and I just could not read further. The most recent was a non-NaruSaku story (OMG what was I thinking lol) and in fact was a NaruHarem fic that did not include Sakura. There were a lot of things in this story that I could have been overly critical with - Naruto was overpowered, the harem plot device was cliche in Naruto fandom, etc. However, I was enjoying the writing style and action sequences. Plus the author did a fair job of giving adequate reasons for certain OOCness and even balanced out Naruto's power to something more plausible.

Then the story took a turn that I found very odd and I began to question if the direction of story was lost. Within this new direction, a character was just figuratively torn apart. The author did give reasons for it but within the words I could just feel this person's malice toward the character and for me it overshadowed those reasons. There was also the mistake of completely ignoring the development the character had gone through within canon which still influenced the author's storyline. Anyway, there have chapter updates since then but I have yet to read them. I'll probably go back to the story at some point to find out if I had misjudged where the story was going. But the negative effect it had on me could not be denied.

I can understand that everyone has their favorite and not-so-favorite characters in Naruto. Those that write fan fiction for Naruto certainly have the right to treat the characters in whatever way they see fit. It is their story after all. It's just when a reader can actually feel the author's contempt for a particular character and finds no believable or reasonable development to justify that contempt - well, it detracts from the quality of the story and tends to leave a bitter taste in one's mouth.

[No WhereMan]

Ok, I don't know if this was stated before. Or much rather, it probably was stated but I'm commenting on it again. I hate "Naruto" stories that the author believes Naruto needs to have a make over. All the orange he wears needs to be replaced with something else. Which in fact the Orange color is a part of what makes Naruto, "Naruto". Especially when you're going to make him wear all black or all dark monotone colors.

[Derock]

Ok, I don't know if this was stated before. Or much rather, it probably was stated but I'm commenting on it again. I hate "Naruto" stories that the author believes Naruto needs to have a make over. All the orange he wears needs to be replaced with something else. Which in fact the Orange color is a part of what makes Naruto, "Naruto". Especially when you're going to make him wear all black or all dark monotone colors.

That's another pet peeve I have with some authors as well. Why give the "OHH! SO COOL!!!" black or other dark monotone colors so they can make him so cool and powerful like a Sasuke clone? It ruins the design and personality of the character.

[Paradox Jast]

So what would your opinion be on a story like mine? I swapped Naruto to the traditional ninja gear... mesh undershirt, jounin vest, black shinobi pants... but I had Jiraiya give him some orange gloves so that he could continue with tradition.

His clothing change is explained in my story, I just felt it would make more sense for him to have more 'traditional' garb for the leadership position he is in.

Or is it only the all-dark custom outfits that you guys are against?

[jim1982]

So what would your opinion be on a story like mine? I swapped Naruto to the traditional ninja gear... mesh undershirt, jounin vest, black shinobi pants... but I had Jiraiya give him some orange gloves so that he could continue with tradition.

His clothing change is explained in my story, I just felt it would make more sense for him to have more 'traditional' garb for the leadership position he is in.

Or is it only the all-dark custom outfits that you guys are against?

I don't mind outfit changes as long as some orange is thrown in and if it ain't all his clothing styling changed. even in the manga, Naruto wears very subdued civies that have little orange. I think it just needs to have some orange to tie into his character idea.

[Derock]

So what would your opinion be on a story like mine? I swapped Naruto to the traditional ninja gear... mesh undershirt, jounin vest, black shinobi pants... but I had Jiraiya give him some orange gloves so that he could continue with tradition.

His clothing change is explained in my story, I just felt it would make more sense for him to have more 'traditional' garb for the leadership position he is in.

Or is it only the all-dark custom outfits that you guys are against?

That is fine though. Your fic is future-related. What I'm referring to are the "Naruto series rewritten over in the beginning with a Make-over" fics. Those are the ones that I highly dislike.

[Paradox Jast]

Ohhh I see I see.

Gotcha.


I did keep some orange in his 'new' gloves because I felt that yes, orange is part of who Naruto IS.

[No WhereMan]

Well the reason I decided to bring this up was because I decided to break out of my norm of staying away from FF.Net and from a post decided to look at some Naru/Ino fics. Anyway I stubbled on this one story where Naruto and Ino were married in the future but Naruto died for reasons not explained yet. So Ino went back in time (this is before they take the Genins test is where the story starts), in a method not yet explained yet to try to 'correct' the past. Now granted i've heard this plot before, in other stories but I decided to keep going anyway.

So anyway (back in time) Ino meets younger Naruto at a Ramen stand. She expresses her sudden want to being a good friend to him. And how he shouldn't give Sakura the time of day anymore and that he should stop wearing the masks. At this point I thought to myself, "Man, we're really abusing that ol'knowledge from the future aren't we?" But anyway i decided to keep on reading. So Naruto agrees on the friends thing and then Ino then says, "Ok first thing we have to go shopping to get a new wardrobe." At this point i put the back button and decided to look elsewhere for my Naru/Ino fix.

Which was not sedated btw. Hard to find good-well written stories nowadays on FF.net.

Some other examples of what I mean, Dark/black cloaks, trenchcoats, dark blue jeans. And the ol' famous katana. I mean sure the Kundai is the weapon of choice for damn near all of the 'Ninja' in the Naruto-world. So they have to have some originality with the Katana.

Edited by No WhereMan, 18 February 2009 - 05:58 AM.

[BlackLightning]

Another Peeve from me:

Some OC Jounin picks up Naruto when he was beat up as a child and takes him away from the village, turn him into all powerful kid in a few years then come back to Konoha and Kick everybody's asses. Its nice to read once in a while but now its severely overused and abused, not to mention that those stories make less and less senses as time goes like a certain fanfic that I read a few days ago where Naruto was picked up at 10 and in 2 years he can kick Kakashi's ass in the Bell Test, and doing a perfect Rasengan too.

Rasengan is Yondaime's original Jutsu and before Naruto learned it, only 3 people can do it: Yondaime himself, Jiraiya AND Kakashi. Some stranger comes out of nowhere teaching Naruto how to do Rasengan? I have to question if they really do read the manga or even watch the anime.

[Jenskott]

Well the reason I decided to bring this up was because I decided to break out of my norm of staying away from FF.Net and from a post decided to look at some Naru/Ino fics. Anyway I stubbled on this one story where Naruto and Ino were married in the future but Naruto died for reasons not explained yet. So Ino went back in time (this is before they take the Genins test is where the story starts), in a method not yet explained yet to try to 'correct' the past. Now granted i've heard this plot before, in other stories but I decided to keep going anyway.

So anyway (back in time) Ino meets younger Naruto at a Ramen stand. She expresses her sudden want to being a good friend to him. And how he shouldn't give Sakura the time of day anymore and that he should stop wearing the masks. At this point I thought to myself, "Man, we're really abusing that ol'knowledge from the future aren't we?" But anyway i decided to keep on reading. So Naruto agrees on the friends thing and then Ino then says, "Ok first thing we have to go shopping to get a new wardrobe." At this point i put the back button and decided to look elsewhere for my Naru/Ino fix.

I know that fic. My troubles with it began when Ino told Naruto he should stay away Sakura because she doesn't acknowledges him and disrespects him.

How is that different of what Ino did? Moreover, Sakura acknowledged and started respecting, supporting and helping Naruto before Ino did. But no, apparently, Ino was good and not at all a fangirl, and Sakura a female dog and way more obsessed than she was in canon.

That kind of things drove me to press the Back button and search a fic without character-bashing.

It pains me because NaruIno is my favorite Naruto pairing after NaruSaku, but I can't stand fics (NaruIno or of other sort) where Sakura is depicted in a bad light because she was a brainless Sasuke fangirl, and Ino depicted like a mature girl who wasn't a Sasuke fangirl and didn't mistreat Naruto and because it "she deserves him instead of "b****y Sakura"". Let's be clear here: both girls were Sasuke fangirls, but NEITHER OF THEM was brainless, slacker, or so obsessed like fans do them being.

I'm sick of that bias.

[jim1982]

I know that fic. My troubles with it began when Ino told Naruto he should stay away Sakura because she doesn't acknowledges him and disrespects him.

How is that different of what Ino did? Moreover, Sakura acknowledged and started respecting, supporting and helping Naruto before Ino did. But no, apparently, Ino was good and not at all a fangirl, and Sakura a female dog and way more obsessed than she was in canon.

That kind of things drove me to press the Back button and search a fic without character-bashing.

It pains me because NaruIno is my favorite Naruto pairing after NaruSaku, but I can't stand fics (NaruIno or of other sort) where Sakura is depicted in a bad light because she was a brainless Sasuke fangirl, and Ino depicted like a mature girl who wasn't a Sasuke fangirl and didn't mistreat Naruto and because it "she deserves him instead of "b****y Sakura"". Let's be clear here: both girls were Sasuke fangirls, but NEITHER OF THEM was brainless, slacker, or so obsessed like fans do them being.

I'm sick of that bias.

wait, that isn't the fic with Ino takes Naruto into a secret hokage only known hyper reality chamber and marries him after they spend "three years" in it one is it?

[Jenskott]

Yup. That's it.

I guess we must be understanding with the author. After reading his "Naruto turned into girl permanently" fanfic I have realized he has good ideas, but poor execution and rampant character bashing ruin his stories and turn them into something ridiculous.

It happens a lot and it's a pity. You find a fic with a cool concept, and then you see its potential wasted because character bashing and OOC-ness, bad spelling/grammar and flawed storytelling, self-insert characters, or the author discontinues it.

[jim1982]

Yup. That's it.

I guess we must be understanding with the author. After reading his "Naruto turned into girl permanently" fanfic I have realized he has good ideas, but poor execution and rampant character bashing ruin his stories and turn them into something ridiculous.

It happens a lot and it's a pity. You find a fic with a cool concept, and then you see its potential wasted because character bashing and OOC-ness, bad spelling/grammar and flawed storytelling, self-insert characters, or the author discontinues it.

yea he also has a couple naruhina fics and basic rewrites and whole bunch of fics. he must like write constantly cause when he updates, he updates like 20 fics at one time. It's a pity, I like his concept for his two NaruSaku fics, just he really seems not to like Sasuke and Kakashi all the much and Sakura only half the time. Funny thing is, I think Hinata and the Sannin are like the only side characters he doesn't bash.
Oh well maybe he will improve (his sharingan fic has less bashing than his "Naruko" one) or maybe someone will be imspired to write something better based off them.

[Jenskott]

Funny thing is, I think Hinata and the Sannin are like the only side characters he doesn't bash.

The amusing part is her portrayal of a jealous Hinata seems more character bashing than anything else. She behaves like an enraged psycopath, tries murdering her kunoichi partners for trying stealing HER Naruto-kun, and brings Jiraiya to his knees with a single blow. Yes, that's Hinata.

Anyway, two cliches I'm beginning to truly loathe and abhor are:

- Naruto gets emo, enraged or resentful because he can't get Sakura.

Honestly... Back in the Part I, he decided if Sakura wanted Sasuke, he'd respect her choice, step aside and not interfere. He was clearly pained, but he tried shoving it down with a smile.

He did NOT get depressed altogether and spent days or months dwelling on his miserable life, wondering why she can't love him despite all he's done for her, and hating her for it.

That's cheap drama, it draws Sakura-bashers like honey lures a swarm of flies, and it's tiresome.

- One variant of the former: Sakura rejects brutally Naruto -usually for Sasuke-, he gets angry or sad, leaves the village or moves on, Sakura realizes she loves him and has been a total b*tch, looks for him, cries and begs his forgiveness, and if it's a NaruSaku fic, Naruto forgives her.

Please... such stories use to make Sakura worse than she ever was, and besides they use to happen in a time where she had lost the majority of her early bad attitude.

That plot always rings so fake and artificial... among other things, because it's fake and artificial. Post-Forest of Death Sakura would never beat or insult Naruto screaming she hates him because he's an annoying brat and he can't compare with Sasuke-kun. Naruto wouldn't leave his town cause a heartbreak and he wouldn't mope endlessly about it. That's a cheap way for creating artificial, unrealistic drama in a NaruSaku fic or a cheap way for getting Sakura out of the picture on a NaruSomeoneElse fic.

To add insult to the injury, those fics are full with reviews calling Sakura a pink b*tch and telling she needs paying for all the crap she's done to Naruto if she wants ever coming near from him.

Paying for WHAT crap? Sakura would need apologising to Naruto for thinking so badly from him when they were kids. But for falling in love with someone else? For behaving like the typical female lead in a Japanese comic-book? Get real!

Truthfully... nowadays, when I see someone stating Sakura is a b***h for not sucking up to Naruto, falling in loving with whoever she wants, and after getting rejected, slowly finding someone else, I think someone has mysoginist issues.

[Destiny]

What really frustrates me is where there's a really great idea, like amazing and the author doesn't develop it fully, like they're just too lazy to really make a great story. It kills me on the inside actually.

[jim1982]

The amusing part is her portrayal of a jealous Hinata seems more character bashing than anything else. She behaves like an enraged psycopath, tries murdering her kunoichi partners for trying stealing HER Naruto-kun, and brings Jiraiya to his knees with a single blow. Yes, that's Hinata.

Well I hadn't read the last chapter of He Said, She Said before that post. And usually in Narusakufic, I noticed a trend of Hinata feeling jealous of Sakura because how Naruto treats her.

[catsi563]

I agree I hate stalker Hinata portayals. I think many authors just take it way too far. in many ways Hinata to me is the same as Naruto in regards to feelings.

In my story Where I stood I posit that Hinata made a similar choice at a young age to help naruto realize his dreams as Naruto made when he saw how sakura felt about sasuke. to step aside and let him realize his dream of being with sakura.

it is this power of sacrafice that makes Hinata such a brave character with a lot of potential IMHO.

they cheapen her though by exagerating the feelings for him that dont trully exist.

[No WhereMan]

What really frustrates me is where there's a really great idea, like amazing and the author doesn't develop it fully, like they're just too lazy to really make a great story. It kills me on the inside actually.

I'll be honest with you a lot of times those authors lack the ability to actually fully develop those ideas. Or lack the foresight to expand it further.

[RyrineaHaruno]

Mary-sues fic they really bother me

Spelling/grammar mistakes- Really pissed me off if they can't spell right.

Naruto x Hinata Fan fiction- They always make Hinata into a freaking Mary sue or have tons of Spelling Mistakes. THey make her were she has a Sakura personalty.

What really frustrates me is where there's a really great idea, like amazing and the author doesn't develop it fully, like they're just too lazy to really make a great story. It kills me on the inside actually.

Naruto gets emo, enraged or resentful because he can't get Sakura.

They write Sakura as weak and then get Hinata together with him that bugs me. Or they make Sakura in to her Fangirl self just to get Susake x Sakura together.

Rapes Fiction I hate Rape Fiction it just I would probably hate the guy/girl that Raped the character in question, but then they get all buddy with them after the Rape is just stupid to see that.


Oh I almost forgot. The thing I hate the absolute most is male pregnancy. What do they teach kids at school these days? I blame Arnold Schwarzenegger's Junior for ruining an entire generation.

the 'Beat the Demon Brat' plot device. Mobs with pitchforks, massive physical abuse on Naruto before canon starts. This is unsubstantiated, as canon has no evidence of this. You can make the argument for this, but it has to be reasonable. The Sandaime's law isn't just a set of guidelines, after all. Keep in mind that if Naruto had experienced this level of abuse, his mannerisms would be very different. Sasuke and Hinata are the only ones of the rookie nine to experience any form of abuse, mental or physical, and Hinata's is considered minor.

'Kyuubi attacked because ____ kill his/her kits/lover/pet/whatever' plot device. Kyuubi has basically been shown a nothing more then an animal with a whole lot of power and the equivalent of, if not greater then, human intelligence. Most likely it attacked because it felt like it or because it could. Although knowing Bakamoto, Madara probably had something to do with it using his Deus-Ex-Machinagan.

Kyuubi being Nice/Helpful/Compassionate/HumanMaleForm/HumanFemaleForm/Etc. Kyuubi is a extremely powerful and very intelligent animal, a wild animal that's trapped in a cage. Nuff' said.

Bad Guy Danzo. Danzo is a strong Nationalist with the best interest for Konoha at heart. A man who truly represents fighting for the greater good by using lesser evils.

The Council™. This is just a weak plot device, that is horribly abused.

Sennin and Sannin. Sennin is used as part of Gama Sennin or Ero-sennin, which are for Jiraiya only. Sennin is not a rank and Tsunade/Orochimaru are not Sennin. The three of them together are the Legendary Sannin, I can't recall the word Bakamoto used for Legendary, or the Legendary Three Ninja. Jiraiya is a Jounin, Tsunade was a Jounin before becoming Hokage, and Orochimaru was a Jounin before becoming a missing-nin.

Kages. There are five Kages, not one for every village.

unrealistic romance. I don't know about you but, an average person doesn't just date one person and magically spend the rest of their lives together. People need to use some common sense when doing romance in fan fictions.

The Clan Restoration Act. Seriously folks, this has been abused enough. Find some originality.

Lack Of Creativity. Just because you want to give Naruto a sword but because your not creative enough to think up something original or can't mentally grasp the fact that not all ninja need a legendary chakra super weapon, doesn't mean it's cool to just give him a zanpakutō and have him learn Hiten Mitsurugi-Ryū from Kenshin.

Japanese Usage. It's cool to use for jutsu, titles, and character names. However, if your going to use Japanese then do some research or ask someone in the know to check and make sure your using it correctly.

Yaoi: Scares me and it's stupid girl fantasy ( yes I'm a tomboy) Also Naruto or the guys are not gay.


Ongoing Fic that should be finish: Some times it no point to continue without a plot.

High School Stories: Good God I hate those! Unless Naruto or the other characters or ninjas or something close to they ninja-self in High school.They no point for me to read it.

Sakura Being A Horrible Person: She doesn't hate Naruto that much.She'll never,ever hit him to depression.Which by the way I also hate those fictions.

Making Itahci Nice: WHAT THE HELL!

Sasuke Being A Big Jerk: I can't stand to read it sometimes.It just gets me mad.

Short Chapter: It annoys me!

Finally The Hokage Having No Power At All: Isn't the Hokage in charge of the village?

Sasuke x Sakura: They also turn Sasuke in to Naruto in these stories. I find it stupid that they are against Naruto x Sakura myself when they switch Sasuke personalty into Naruto's.

Dark Naruto/Evil Naruto fics, specially if they bash Team 7 and include an harem. Honestly I think they're a very twisted type of self-insertion.


Authors who don't respect the characters. This includes bashing, caricatures, and over-the-top behavior. Sakura doesn't punch Naruto through a wall every time she sees him. Naruto doesn't eat 294 bowls of ramen in a sitting. The Professor, God of Shinobi, doesn't suddenly act as if he's got an IQ of 60. Hiashi doesn't beat Hinata to within an inch of her life every night. Anko doesn't dry-hump Naruto every time she sees him. Jiraiya isn't a hippie. Kakashi isn't a pot-head. Tsunade doesn't spread her legs for cash. No, no, no.

Edited by RyrineaHaruno, 30 April 2009 - 06:39 PM.

[Jenskott]

Dark Naruto/Evil Naruto fics, specially if they bash Team 7 and include an harem. Honestly I think they're a very twisted type of self-insertion.

Please, allow me explain: You find an author tells love Naruto, but he hates and bashes Team 7 (despite they are Naruto's precious people, and he tells they saved him from a Hell of loneliness, along Iruka), loves Hinata (despite she never did anything for Naruto when they were younger) for traits she doesn't own and things she never did... and then he writes fics where Naruto is a dark, evil bastard with misoginist, rapist tendences that has tons of powers (powers the writer finds cool), punishes people for things they never did (specially characters the writer hates), and gets laid with all female characters the writer finds hot.

Do you realize? The writer gives Naruto a personality he would want he had, powers he'd love wielding, makes him hurting characters the writer hates and sleeping with female characters the writer likes. As far as I'm concerned, he writes those fics for fullfilling his own fantasy of living in Narutoverse, being a ninja with cool powers and using them for beating people around, and sleeping with pretty anime girls.

Sincerely, if he wants writing that garbage, he should outright inform in the summary it's a self-insert fic where he lands in Naruto's world, gains new powers and has a private harem. Of course, nobody would be interested in reading such a trash, so he impersonates Naruto and pretends it's a Naruto fanfic.

Of course, not all Dark Naruto/Evil Naruto fics are like that. There're some really great stories. Unfortunately, a big chunk of Dark Naruto fics are the same trash where Naruto loses all his endearing qualities for no good reason, treats people like rubbish and women like objects.