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Poll: Which pairing are you rooting for? =D (128 member(s) have cast votes)

Which pairing?

  1. Kataang - Katara/Aang (75 votes [58.59%])

    Percentage of vote: 58.59%

  2. Zutara - Zuko/Katara (27 votes [21.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.09%

  3. Both (5 votes [3.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.91%

  4. Neither (6 votes [4.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.69%

  5. Kick-a-pow! (15 votes [11.72%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.72%

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Posted 03 July 2010 - 09:08 PM

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While I am with most of my fellow critics - both fan or unacquainted with the series – in hating this film, I am a bit upset with a number of critics taking aim at the actors in this film. While I’m not in love with all the acting choices here, the piss-poor performances are equally dismal across the board, and it is *not* the actor’s faults. They give the same, hollow, dead-eyed, thousand yard stare that M. Night Shyamalan elicits from all of his actors. In THE SIXTH SENSE and UNBREAKABLE we thought it was brilliant. But comparing Osment’s turn in SIXTH SENSE to the performance of Ang here, you find the very same elements and acting tricks. They are identical. It isn’t the cast who fails this film, it is Shyamalan’s complete inability to direct actors outside of his very narrow type of film. These kids never had a chance put under the direction of this guy and they seem to be bearing the brunt on the performance front.


This is what i was most worried about. I never gave a flying whoopety doo about the casting of the film save as the hope that the actors and actresses were able to do a good job. Thye could have cats michael clarke duncan as uncle Iroh and id have been fine as long as he played the role like the series portrayal.

but my fear was that M. nught would not be able to bring out the best in his actors with a film that has characters who on the whole are light hearted and amiable and dont be come trully serious and in some cases dangerous untill the last season. but even with this maturity they retian that light heartedness and fun.

it seems that these actors and actresses were pigeonholed into roles and than forced to act robotcially to try and prop up shyamalans vision of a dark and dour world. even the portrayal of Aang arguably the most important of the series is lackluster at best.

I wont be seeing this at all, and I quite frankly consider myself a very big fan of the source material.
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Posted 03 July 2010 - 09:20 PM

Let's stop all the hate and angst. We get it. The movie sucks. No more 'movie critics reviews' or incredibly long posts ripping the movie apart. You can all still talk about what you feel about the movie, but keep it short and to the point.

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Posted 04 July 2010 - 12:37 AM

Just saw it myself, and am obliged to share my 2 cents. I went with an open mind, choosing to ignore the critics comments and refrain from reading any posts on H&E just so I could form my own opinions. Sorry if this is just another "long post ripping the movie apart" but I don't think I'm breaking any rules here. There's good and bad.

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Right from the start, I was disappointed with the way the movie copied the series' introduction. The narration wasn't bad, as it provided necessary introduction into the avatar universe, but would have been better without us being forced to read the slow scrolling script.

As far as acting goes, I liked Soka and (to my chagrin) Zuko, although both characters were lacking the humor they had in the series. Zuko wasn't a comedic relief like Soka was in the cartoon, but his lack of humor often translated into something we the audience can relate to. However, these were the only two characters that I was able to discern some personality from.
Uncle Iro's character was a huge disappointment. He lacked that likable, wise old uncle quality.
The firelord was not scary in the least, and I didn't even believe it was him until he was named. This is the main protagonist, and the one guy whom Aang is supposed to be drawn into an all out good vs. evil duel with, but I did not feel that kind of build up from the plot.

Like that reviewer wrote, I did find myself wondering how Xioh traveled from the southern Earth kingdom, to the heart of the Fire Nation, to somewhere in the middle of the Earth kingdom fast enough to set a trap for Aang.

I was mostly disappointed with the movie's lack of character development. I felt as if the relationships between people were that way simply because we were told to think it, and not because of their interaction. Aang did not show a hint of affection towards Katara, whereas Katara was enamored of him only because he's the avatar.

The end of the movie was ok. I wasn't disappointed by the changes as much as the lack of believability. Had it been truer to reality, like if the ocean had flowed up into the tidal wave instead of somehow appearing from nowhere and having no effect on the position of the navy fleet, I would have liked it better. Also, I didn't think it was a great enough demonstration of power to make the fire nation retreat.

One thing I really did enjoy was the fight scene in the Northern Air Temple where Aang used the practice ring to fight off fire benders! That was the type of M. Night Shyamalan influence I was expecting.

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Posted 04 July 2010 - 01:24 AM

well i went to go see it the night after it came out. and hey, i LOVE the series. SO MUCH. almost as much as i love the naruto series, and i went in there expecting the worst and you know what, it really isnt that bad. noot to me it wasnt anyway. i really truly enjoyed it biggrin.gif

my friends and i also sat through DB Evolution and we had a great time! even if movies like these are total screw ups we always find something we love in them. DB evo gave us humour. we were laughing our asses off, and we didint regret a thing. For TLA, well i always love martial arts, and some of the fight i saw in the movie, i just loved so much. i agree the acting wasnt great, and i know it sucks that they cut alot out, but im happy i went to see it, and my friend and i would go see it again smile.gif

but thats just me. Other than Crank 2, i can honestly say there hasnt been a movie i've seen that i've disliked. i wish i could be a better critic, but im not. i simply enjoyed what i saw.
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Posted 04 July 2010 - 05:08 AM

QUOTE (Nee-sama @ Jul 3 2010, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just saw it myself, and am obliged to share my 2 cents. I went with an open mind, choosing to ignore the critics comments and refrain from reading any posts on H&E just so I could form my own opinions. Sorry if this is just another "long post ripping the movie apart" but I don't think I'm breaking any rules here. There's good and bad.

!Spoiler warning! --Click here to view--
Right from the start, I was disappointed with the way the movie copied the series' introduction. The narration wasn't bad, as it provided necessary introduction into the avatar universe, but would have been better without us being forced to read the slow scrolling script.

As far as acting goes, I liked Soka and (to my chagrin) Zuko, although both characters were lacking the humor they had in the series. Zuko wasn't a comedic relief like Soka was in the cartoon, but his lack of humor often translated into something we the audience can relate to. However, these were the only two characters that I was able to discern some personality from.
Uncle Iro's character was a huge disappointment. He lacked that likable, wise old uncle quality.
The firelord was not scary in the least, and I didn't even believe it was him until he was named. This is the main protagonist, and the one guy whom Aang is supposed to be drawn into an all out good vs. evil duel with, but I did not feel that kind of build up from the plot.

Like that reviewer wrote, I did find myself wondering how Xioh traveled from the southern Earth kingdom, to the heart of the Fire Nation, to somewhere in the middle of the Earth kingdom fast enough to set a trap for Aang.

I was mostly disappointed with the movie's lack of character development. I felt as if the relationships between people were that way simply because we were told to think it, and not because of their interaction. Aang did not show a hint of affection towards Katara, whereas Katara was enamored of him only because he's the avatar.

The end of the movie was ok. I wasn't disappointed by the changes as much as the lack of believability. Had it been truer to reality, like if the ocean had flowed up into the tidal wave instead of somehow appearing from nowhere and having no effect on the position of the navy fleet, I would have liked it better. Also, I didn't think it was a great enough demonstration of power to make the fire nation retreat.

One thing I really did enjoy was the fight scene in the Northern Air Temple where Aang used the practice ring to fight off fire benders! That was the type of M. Night Shyamalan influence I was expecting.


Small comment, Ozai isn't the protagonist. A protagonist is the hero or the main character of the series. The opponent of the protagonist and probably the word you meant was antagonist.

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Posted 04 July 2010 - 05:29 AM

F&F thats correct, in the end we all like what we like. I also laughed at DB but for the wrong reasons

I saw it today and it is far from one of the worst movies ever made. I'd say the talk is contributed to by critics and the public who have disliked M knight for a while, and the avatar fans who were dedicated to hate on it since the idea for a live action film was conceived.

That said, its bad. Now god awful, just bad. The actors struggle to convincingly convey the emotions behind their dialogue. Zuko and Katara announcing themselves are good examples. Ozai is none whatsoever menacing, I understand that they mightve thought Aang and Sokka could be cheezy for the movie, but they maee both of them too serious and unrelatable. They had their chances for comic relief too.


The effects were weak at times, much better towards the end. I hate the lack of confrontation in this film.
Iroh gets pretty cool when he bends fire out of thin air, but does nothing with it. Zhao just runs.

Zuko, free of his ice confinement, walks toward Zhao looking pissed and once again got excited for a quick fight scene. But no. Iroh breaks it up. Zhao launches an attack, and Iroh disperses it, but walks away. Again.

Finally in what is the best looking scene of the movie, Aang in the avatar state creates a giant tidal wave, but scares the fire nation off. Doesnt even use it.



I personally didn't care that they didn't cast the characters accurately for race. But man there are a lot of Indians. Everywhere. Just saying, its not a problem might as well get some other characters accurate



Abd theres not much development, its replaced with montages and narration. Like when they get to the southern water tribe. Pretty much saying, Sokka and Yue like each other. kthxbai.


The final 15 minutes are good and I think a sequel could work so long as someone else writes the script.

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Posted 04 July 2010 - 07:47 AM

Got through seeing it at the late show.

Man talk about one of the worst movies i've ever seen. The acting was terrible, they can't even pronounce the names correctly. It feels like it takes them 5 minutes just to bend an element. What's up with the fire nation being Indian? I thought it was suppose Japanese/Chinese. I will not be buying this on DVD nor seeing a sequel by the same director sleep.gif

Did like SokkaXYue though.happy.gif

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Posted 04 July 2010 - 05:15 PM

QUOTE (No WhereMan @ Jul 3 2010, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Small comment, Ozai isn't the protagonist. A protagonist is the hero or the main character of the series. The opponent of the protagonist and probably the word you meant was antagonist.

You're right I did mean antagonist... sorry. dry.gif

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Posted 04 July 2010 - 09:09 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Jul 3 2010, 12:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Holy s*** wot.gif th_confused0089.gif
QUOTE (crazyefra @ Jul 3 2010, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No way!! omfg.gif It can't be that this crappy movie is worse than that other crappy movie (twilight). Oh well I'll see it on the internet instead of wasting my money.

actually it's not that hard to believe. While Twilight as a franschise is, imo, undeserving of the amount of money and attention it gets, the movies aren't all that horrible and unwatchable. I watched the first one out of morbid curiousity and I was able to sit through it just fine. Sure the story, plot, some of the acting, and characterization made me cringe all the while, but I never felt that it was horrifically bad. At least to warrent such disbelief that it might be otherwise. It actually has competent direction and bearable writing. The acting is even moreso bearable if you don't expect an amazing script.

QUOTE (Sakura Blossoms @ Jul 3 2010, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No more 'movie critics reviews' or incredibly long posts ripping the movie apart. You can all still talk about what you feel about the movie, but keep it short and to the point.

LOLWAT. I don't even. r u srs?

QUOTE (Nee-sama @ Jul 3 2010, 07:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry if this is just another "long post ripping the movie apart" but I don't think I'm breaking any rules here. There's good and bad.

you're right. You're not, there are no rules I can see that are being broken so I don't know what's up with this sudden handicap.

That said (and considering the thread is now dead), I'm inviting those who still want to express their opinions (good or bad, idgaf) about the movie to my blog. I myself am going to continue to freely post whatever the hell I want about a movie I hate there, so if you want you can join me and/or post whatever you planned to post there. It's up to you. I'll happily read and engage in a conversation with you about the mounting fail that this movie is, as I am loving how hard this movie is tanking. I also believe that you have a right to express what you want after you paid good money (although I don't exactly know why you would pay) to see this, no matter how late you are or how much some people have already done so.

In fact, our feature presentation atm is a Q&A session that's hilarious and an interview video that I'll forever love.

here's a link to my latest post: [link]

also if you don't want to and/or have lost juice but still have a review to post, you can post in the Rate a Movie thread. It's your review so I don't think there should be a length restriction and/or censorship of your opinion, regardless of it being good or bad.

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Posted 04 July 2010 - 11:25 PM

QUOTE (krisk @ Jul 4 2010, 05:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
you're right. You're not, there are no rules I can see that are being broken so I don't know what's up with this sudden handicap.

Most important forum rule. Keep any and all negativity/hate/bashing/borderline bashing out of threads and off the forum.

And I didn't tell anyone that they could not speak about the movie. Just to keep all the hate and vitriol to a dull roar.

This is how the Twilight thread started to degenerate, and was eventually closed. If people want to continue to hate on the new Avatar movie, rip it apart, spew hate on M. Knight, well then I guess that you're blog thread is the place to do it.

Just try to remember the rules in there as well.

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Posted 05 July 2010 - 12:03 AM

QUOTE (Sakura Blossoms @ Jul 4 2010, 06:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Most important forum rule. Keep any and all negativity/hate/bashing/borderline bashing out of threads and off the forum.

And I didn't tell anyone that they could not speak about the movie. Just to keep all the hate and vitriol to a dull roar.

This is how the Twilight thread started to degenerate, and was eventually closed. If people want to continue to hate on the new Avatar movie, rip it apart, spew hate on M. Knight, well then I guess that you're blog thread is the place to do it.

Just try to remember the rules in there as well.

No you did not stutter, Stanley.

and yeah I never said that. I implied that I don't think someone should change their opinion in any form just because they were tardy to the party. It's not their fault and they can't control a thread from degenerating, especially when they have yet to add to the said thread. That's why I offered the 'rate a movie' thread. Hopefully they can say whatever they want, as much as they want, there.

Anyway gotcha. Happy times and good feelings and fields of flowers abound. Collective rainbows from bums too, got it. My blog is welcome to the open discussion, yes, that hasn't changed, but I don't know if it'll stay that way if the rules specified are enforced there as much as they are here. I thought the blogs were meant for topics that were deemed questionable in the public areas and threatened regular rules, but I guess not. Oh well, moving on. Sorry will do.

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Posted 05 July 2010 - 12:09 AM

Because guys, in the end, it's a movie, not really a life-changing event. There are much more things to rage about.

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Posted 05 July 2010 - 12:17 AM

QUOTE (krisk @ Jul 4 2010, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No you did not stutter, Stanley.

and yeah I never said that. I implied that I don't think someone should change their opinion in any form just because they were tardy to the party. It's not their fault and they can't control a thread from degenerating, especially when they have yet to add to the said thread. That's why I offered the 'rate a movie' thread. Hopefully they can say whatever they want, as much as they want, there.

Anyway gotcha. Happy times and good feelings and fields of flowers abound. Collective rainbows from bums too, got it. My blog is welcome to the open discussion, yes, that hasn't changed, but I don't know if it'll stay that way if the rules specified are enforced there as much as they are here. I thought the blogs were meant for topics that were deemed questionable in the public areas and threatened regular rules, but I guess not. Oh well, moving on. Sorry will do.

Wow. Cynical much. Again, I never said anyone couldn't say what they wanted, just to try not to go on and on about it. And as far as the blogs are concerned, I'm pretty sure I also said anyone who wants to continue being upset at the movie, were welcome to go to your blog to do it. I threatened no one. Your latest blog post is all about this and 'joy' at the bombing of this movie. Has anyone threatened you about your posts there? No.

And as for that very sarcastic 'rainbows out the bum, and fields of flowers' crack, I'm sure most people here would agree that Heaven and Earth is a great place to be and visit. Everyone and everything is cool and chill here, and unlike many other forums isn't plagued with fights, drama and angst, and general negativity. If that means we have rainbows coming out of our bums, that's fine with me.

Now this has gone way off topic. If you want to continue, you're welcome to PM me about it.

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Posted 05 July 2010 - 12:39 AM

QUOTE (Sakura Blossoms @ Jul 4 2010, 07:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow. Cynical much. Again, I never said anyone couldn't say what they wanted, just to try not to go on and on about it. And as far as the blogs are concerned, I'm pretty sure I also said anyone who wants to continue being upset at the movie, were welcome to go to your blog to do it. I threatened no one. Your latest blog post is all about this and 'joy' at the bombing of this movie. Has anyone threatened you about your posts there? No.

And as for that very sarcastic 'rainbows out the bum, and fields of flowers' crack, I'm sure most people here would agree that Heaven and Earth is a great place to be and visit. Everyone and everything is cool and chill here, and unlike many other forums isn't plague with fights, drama and angst, and general negativity. If that means we have rainbows coming out of our bums, that's fine with me.

Now this has gone way off topic. If you want to continue, you're welcome to PM me about it.

Wow, I never insulted you once. Classy. Anyway I'm not saying you said these things. What I stated was just my viewpoint on the matter at hand. Never did I outright state that you "said this" or "said that" so please stop defending yourself when you have nothing to defend yourself against. Or no reason to for that matter.

Also please don't bring what I write in my blog here as an example or whatever. I opened it as a place to continue what was going on here, it doesn't matter if I take joy in it, that's my business. The only thing I'm worried about is having the chance for people to continue - that's it. Also now that you mention it, I remember you editing one of my posts way back when. I didn't say anything, but what you did bothered me since I never got a heads up on it. And that's exactly why I'm questioning the freedom of the posts there - I feel like it'll happen again right underneath my nose and I won't know anything about it. So what's the point of acting like the threat doesn't exist? For me it does. That's it. Others might disagree, but it exists for me. That's why I pointed out being cautious there as well.

Yes I'm sure too. That's great, I'm sure that enforcing the rule to this extent has worked with results that of which you described. Anyway I apologize for adding that to my previous post. It was very unprofessional and it won't happen again. And no thank you, I'm good. I'd rather not discuss this matter any further (here or in a PM), if it's quite alright with you.

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Posted 05 July 2010 - 12:52 AM

QUOTE (krisk @ Jul 4 2010, 08:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also now that you mention it, I remember you editing one of my posts way back when. I didn't say anything, but what did bothered me since I never got a heads up on it.

That was what? Almost 2 years ago? And it was for cursing which is a rule as well. If I remember correctly, I believe you expressed your displeasure at having it edited and I apologized, and the blogs have been left quite alone for people to express as they choose.

QUOTE (krisk @ Jul 4 2010, 08:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes I'm sure too. That's great, I'm sure that enforcing the rule to this extent has worked with results that of which you described. Anyway I apologize for adding that to my previous post. It was very unprofessional and it won't happen again. And no thank you, I'm good. I'd rather not discuss this matter any further (here or in a PM), if it's quite alright with you.

I'm not enforcing anything 'to an extent'. As far as I know all I've said was to keep the vitriol and hate on the movie down. You took exception to that and that's where all of this has come from. But I haven't done any 'enforcing', just replying back to your posts.

And to all the rest you wrote, it's alright with me to not go any further. I wasn't trying to have an argument with you. Was just doing my job as a Mod/Admin and bringing up the point of borderline bashing. If it was a thread about Sasuke/NaruHina/or any other pairings/characters, I would have brought up the point about toning down the hate there as well.

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Posted 05 July 2010 - 05:10 AM

Man, this topic is now like sitting at the dinner table right after mom and dad just had a big fight.

Edited by No WhereMan, 05 July 2010 - 05:11 AM.

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Posted 05 July 2010 - 05:33 AM

QUOTE (No WhereMan @ Jul 5 2010, 01:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Man, this topic is now like sitting at the dinner table right after mom and dad just had a big fight.

Now that's an interesting image ^^

Let's try to get things back on track. It seems despite all the negative reviews money talks, so there may yet be a sequel (or 2) for this movie:

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The question is whether it can still make enough, both here and abroad, to justify two more films. The Last Airbender review rants mainly targeted Shyamalan, and his casting choices. If Paramount decides to go ahead without Shyamalan, that alone could keep audiences around to see the sequels. The animated series still has a devoted cult audience that will follow the Airbender brand, and is dying to see it treated right.

As for Shyamalan, The Last Airbender review results finally killed his tattered reputation. Yet although critics now want to see him go away, his career is still likely to continue. He was reportedly shopping around a new project before Airbender opened, which he hoped would start Bruce Wilis and Gwyneth Paltrow.

If Airbender box office is respectable, he could still get projects green lit - and Paramount could always decide to keep him onboard Airbender. If he does keep working, many have hoped he will just direct, and not write his own films anymore.


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Posted 05 July 2010 - 07:18 AM

I think it making 100million after this weekend might be hard pressed. This weekend most likely will kill it for the rest of it's turn. I'm thinking it might last 4 weeks in the theaters before it's pulled. If paramount do decide to continue with the series, I wish they'd just start book I over again. Let it be done right then keep it moving.

Here's something I found a minute ago that was posted today.

http://www.huffingto...d_b_635259.html


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The other major story of the weekend was the surprisingly robust debut of The Last Airbender. Proving once again that Paramount can open anything when they put their money into it (about $130 million worth of worldwide marketing), the $150 million, critically-reviled fantasy epic opened with a robust $40 million, which gives the picture $57 million since opening on Thursday. Blame the razzle-dazzle trailer, the large fanbase for the Nickelodeon cartoon that this is based on, the 3-D ticket prices, and/or the marquee power of M. Night Shyamalan, but something went very right for a picture where quite a bit went very wrong. The reviews obviously did not matter, nor did the controversy regarding the casting of white actors to play Asian characters. This is the thirteenth-biggest Independence Day opening on record, and the picture will likely end the holiday weekend with just under $70 million. Where it goes from here is an open question, as critics loathed the picture and I cannot imagine the hardcore fans of the television series being too fond of it. Still, it has the kids-action audience all to itself for the next ten days until The Sorcerer's Apprentice opens on July 14th, although it will lose some of its 3-D screens on July 9th to Despicable Me.

Barring an epic collapse in the weeks ahead, the film is all-but guaranteed to gross at least $150 million, which would make it Shyamalan's highest-grossing picture in eight years. As I wrote a few days ago, I'm mixed on this. On one hand, M. Night Shyamalan made an indefensibly bad film, and the idea that this stunningly inept picture will likely end up becoming his third-highest grosser (behind Signs with $226 million and The Sixth Sense with $293 million) is not something that's going to encourage him to fix his own issues. Still, I remain a fan in light of his earlier great pictures, so I don't want to see him flop so badly that an artistic comeback is impossible. Like Tim Burton, Shyamalan is at a crossroads, and Alice in Wonderland's $1 billion gross is not going to encourage him to make more original movies. Nor will The Last Airbender making it to $150 million+ encourage Shyamalan to openly deal with his flaws as a writer and, of late, a director of actors. For now, let us just hope that Chris Nolan can deliver in a way that Shyamalan, Burton, Martin Scorsese, and Roman Polanski have not this year.


Honestly, I'm not seeing it make 150million, but we'll see. I'm wondering where he's getting his numbers though. Everywhere I read, it had Last Airbender pulling in 16.3 million the first day on Thursday and another 16million on the second day.

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Airbender finished second behind The Twilight Saga: Eclipse with nearly $41 million in ticket sales.


This seems more like what i've been hearing.

Edited by No WhereMan, 05 July 2010 - 07:33 AM.

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Posted 05 July 2010 - 10:33 AM

I pretty much anticipated it making a strong weekend. After all, Airbender does have a strong fanbase that would want to check out the adaptation, and like I said, if nothing else, Shamylan did a great job marketing and selling it as a revolutionary movie (it certainly fooled me). However, I really don't think they're going to give the green light the other two movies. Even if it does turn a profit, the reactions from critics and fans from this one were so abysmal that as an executive, I would think that drawing in the same crowd would be impossible. Some may point out the success of Pirates of the Caribbean, Transformers, and the Matrix franchise as examples of movies that did well financially but not with critics and a good portion of the fanbase. However, keep in mind that these franchises first movies started out with generally favorable reviews and created fan bases. And when the hating began, it was mostly against the sequels, not the first movie. If you're first film in a series just pisses everyone off, you're going to have problems. And even those who bash the movies I mentioned above, the general opinion was that they were bad, but not unwatchable, plus many understood why people went to watch those movies (A-list actors and awesome special effects). Not to mention that at least one movie in those series were very memorable to audiences, and the thing that keeps pulling even the most cynical in is the hope that they'll get it right again. The Last Airbender has none of those in my opinion. That first movie was just agonizing, and even if I hear the next two are improvements, I won't be able to make myself watch them; it's hard to get into a story if the begining is terrible.

They shouldn't be thinking sequel, they should reboot it. They'll probably have to wait a while so everyone will forget about this movie, but Nickelodeon can take that time to think about everything they've done wrong with the first and get some good writers to come up with something different. I will admit that picking a good director would be a challenge, but just look into those who have a good track record and see if they're interested in doing fantasy (and get the series). Here are some of my ideas to reboot the franchise:

1) Title it Avatar Aang. From a marketing perspective, it's probably best to avoid putting "The Last Airbender" in the title
2) Split each book in two. Film one but present the two halves as seperate movies that to a degree can stand on their own.
3) Cast ethnically correct as close as possible. Yes, we've been through this before; that it's not the race but the acting skills that matter. While I agree that actors shouldn't be chosen SOLELY because of their ethnicity, you do want to cast correctly. Doing the same casting call Shamylan did would be like getting John Cho to play Superman or Will Smith as Batman; they're not the characters that the masses identified with. Besides, they did make Catwoman a black woman and look how that turned out. And if a studio cast Blade, Storm, or War Machine as white people, there would be outrage. Changing ethnicity of a character works best when there's no specific rule stating the character has to be that race and when their race is irrelevant to their character, especially if they're a minor character; a liberty the Avatar world does not have. Plus, a reboot does NOT need another boycott; it needs all the GOOD press it can get, and as I said before, I've noticed a disturbing pattern where casting what should be an asian character as white does not automatically become the reason the movie sucks, but rather an omen that it WILL on every other important element. Really, the reboot does not need to go through this crap again, and a studio may as well try.

Some ideas on my take on what the "hextilogy" should be (if that's a real word)

Movie 1: The Boy in the Iceberg
Mostly focuses on Aang breaking free from the iceberg and befriending Katara and Sokka, and begining his rivalry with Zuko. Learns his responsibilities, sees what the fire nation is doing to the world. Ends with Aang meeting Roku and realizing what he must accomplish. One new thing to add would be the prison factory from the first season, this time with the Kyoshi Warriors helping out. Cut Zhao and Zuko's Agni Kai, and have Iroh narrate to the crew what happened to Zuko like they did in the animated series. Also, have Aang captured in the fire temple, but incorporate the Blue Spirit here.

Movie 2: Siege of the North
Aang arrives at the North Pole to learn Waterbending. Include Yue's engagement, the Patriarchal customs of the Northern Tribe. Show Aang meeting Koh. After the moon spirit is killed, the ocean spirit posseses Aang and begins to wreek havoc on everything, with Iroh saying unless balance is restored, the ocean spirit will destroy everything (from here Yue becomes the new moon spirit). All in all, probably the most faithful if they do it like I say. Also, incorporate elements from Zuko and Zhao's Angni Kai in their final showdown.

Movie 3: The Blind Bandit
Introduces Toph and Azula & co. Focus on the difficulty of Toph fitting in the group, plus Zuko begins to see what his country is doing to the rest of the world. This one for me is fairly vague to describe, but I think you get the point.

Movie 4: Fall of Ba Sing Se
More or less a faithful retelling of the end of book 2. The only thing I have to add is Toph taking on both Mai and Ty Lee.

Movie 5: The Black Sun
Aang recovers from a coma and prepares to invade during the eclipse. Zuko laments about regaining his right as the crown prince, but comes to the conclusion that he was wrong about what he did. Invasion fails, but team Avatar lives to fight another day. After accepting Zuko, the two meet the Sun Warriors and learn the true form of Firebending (ends here). There should also be a scene of Sokka sparring with Pien Dao to show he's been learning swordsmanship, and also have Aang kiss Katara (of course). During the confrontation with Azula, have Azula take Suki hostage and force them to meet the firelord, where he tries to zap Aang with lightning but Zuko comes in time to redirect it. During the invasion, I'd also include Jet, just as a cameo.

Movie 6: Sozin's comet
Pretty similar to what was already put in cartoon format. Don't have much to add, except maybe Zuko being reunited with his mother, and showing some hope for Azula. Maybe some dialogue between Aang and Katara before they kiss.

I really hope they decide to go with a reboot, because even those who anticipated Night to screw up the franchise didn't think he would do so THIS badly. Hoping that we'll go from the Joel Shumacer of Avatar to our Christopher Nolan...

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Posted 05 July 2010 - 10:52 AM

I'm hoping another director will come along and do a better remake like how bad the first Hulk film was and it get a much better remake.

Edited by Uzumakikage, 05 July 2010 - 10:53 AM.





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