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Posted 24 January 2014 - 04:54 AM

One thing that is really making me just go, oh god, its the reactions to this chapter some people have. Some people are actually puzzled because Sakura is with Naruto and not Sasuke, is this really a issue? People seriously expected this? All I can say is some people are not even thinking. Well its stuff like this that makes me ignore other fans. They have their opinions but its somewhat funny to see the reactions.

 

Please tell those people they need to go back and read the entire manga. Not just skim it, they are missing important plot points.


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 04:55 AM

 

I have one question about this theory, who's gonna perform the seal? remember Minato only has one arm, and Kakashi has only been shown capable of preforming the Basic Sealing Jutsu (a ability which impressed Orochimaru) and he has not seen anybody (at least on panel) preform any Fuinjutsu such as the one Minato used to seal Kurama.

Wow...Didn't think of that.



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Posted 24 January 2014 - 04:56 AM

 

I have one question about this theory, who's gonna perform the seal? remember Minato only has one arm, and Kakashi has only been shown capable of preforming the Basic Sealing Jutsu (a ability which impressed Orochimaru) and he has not seen anybody (at least on panel) preform any Fuinjutsu such as the one Minato used to seal Kurama.

But Naruto has the key to the seal, one would think a basic seal just to get him in would work since both Kuramas like him a constant seal doesn't seem necessary 



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Posted 24 January 2014 - 04:59 AM

But Naruto has the key to the seal, one would think a basic seal just to get him in would work since both Kuramas like him a constant seal doesn't seem necessary 

 

True, I wonder if Minato will just transfer the other half to Naruto since the seal disappeared after he unlocked Kurama's cage in Chapter 570.


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 05:15 AM

But Naruto has the key to the seal, one would think a basic seal just to get him in would work since both Kuramas like him a constant seal doesn't seem necessary 

 

That may be true but the Sealing Jutsu from what we saw back in part one takes quite a lot of prep work, among which is a lot scribbling in blood (something which Kakashi most likely can spare a lot of), and when he used it on Sasuke it left him unconscious for days, granted Sasuke had just gone though the Second Test and Prelims of the Chunin Exam, but Naruto has been fighting for about two days strait and is currently on the verge of death. Time is just not on their side.

 

 

True, I wonder if Minato will just transfer the other half to Naruto since the seal disappeared after he unlocked Kurama's cage in Chapter 570.

 

We haven't seen the seal disappear, all we've seen is that the spiral in the center of the seal turned into a solid circle.


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 05:26 AM

 

That may be true but the Sealing Jutsu from what we saw back in part one takes quite a lot of prep work, among which is a lot scribbling in blood (something which Kakashi most likely can spare a lot of), and when he used it on Sasuke it left him unconscious for days, granted Sasuke had just gone though the Second Test and Prelims of the Chunin Exam, but Naruto has been fighting for about two days strait and is currently on the verge of death. Time is just not on their side.

 

 

We haven't seen the seal disappear, all we've seen is that the spiral in the center of the seal turned into a solid circle.

You make good points man, i guess we will just have to wait and see. I honestly can't think of many ways to get the other half in without the most basic of seals ya know?



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Posted 24 January 2014 - 05:46 AM

Whoa, did anyone see the post on tumblr about how Madara was able to activate the rinnengan? He planted Senju cells into his wounds, but it wasn't until the verge of death where he activated the rinnengan... So, our little emo Sasukeh could get the rinnengan, maybe? Because now he has some of Hashirama's magic? *excitement*

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 05:50 AM

Whoa, did anyone see the post on tumblr about how Madara was able to activate the rinnengan? He planted Senju cells into his wounds, but it wasn't until the verge of death where he activated the rinnengan... So, our little emo Sasukeh could get the rinnengan, maybe? Because now he has some of Hashirama's magic? *excitement*

Honestly at this point, I don't care... Kishi does everything in his power to over hax Sasuke


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 05:54 AM

Whoa, did anyone see the post on tumblr about how Madara was able to activate the rinnengan? He planted Senju cells into his wounds, but it wasn't until the verge of death where he activated the rinnengan... So, our little emo Sasukeh could get the rinnengan, maybe? Because now he has some of Hashirama's magic? *excitement*

 

That was explained around chapter 600, and Hashirama gave Sasuke his Chakra, like how Naruto gave everyone Kurama's Chakra and from what we've seen Edo Tensei seem to be made of paper or something (if Tobirama being able to turn himself into Paper Bombs is anything to go by) and don't seem to have DNA.


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 05:55 AM

I have said before, Hinata still has her role and will have her closure, I mean its not like NS will just occur without loose ends being tied up, but the deal is we have 2 situations with Sakura and Hinata showcasing their concern for naruto. As we have seen with Sakura, she has healed him, gave the speech about not letting naruto do it all alone, advocated to naruto that she would fight and not sit back, unleashed her power to assist the team, summoned katsuyu to aid the injured, healed shikamaru (along with Naruto and tsunade, this was a team effort), and now we have this situation. As for Hinata well, we had 615 but its only come up again in 633 and not as much, sadly the rest of the time we have seen hinata since sasuke came back, its been one part naruto kun this and that on repeat and the other part she was recently a pair of bonoculars for sakura to check on naruto and sasuke.

 

Really, its just that, on HInatas side, the confession is still unresloved and with 615 having more or less concluded, the deal is we have these moments with hinata but it seems everytime she is appearing now, its something minor and not really needed for the long run, even in this chapter i feel her just looking at narutos condition and crying would have been enough rather than the trip. Its like Kishi is stored stuff with Hinata but really doesnt intend to use it. I mean its like he could have used it to further NH but with more NS events incoming, its like he has put a slight sliver of NH potential but then puts in obsticles like 631 with the Sakura-Kushina stuff and Naruto STILL loving Sakura, along with Sakura not trusting Sasuke, and now Sakura joining Gaara to save naruto, rather in these events, he didnt need to insert them but there is still just a really confusing factor here, why would he be so bent on NH just to deliberailty put stuff emphasiizing NS, espcially when stuff like the sole fact of Naruto STILL LOVING SAKURA is still there and the kushina foreshadow being built on is even gone forward with sakura, not hinata. Thats what I mean, starting with 631 and the events following it, a huge wedge was driven between NS having more potnetial and NH on the backside with 3 very very hard obsticles to overcome in a very short time period but it cannot right now because they are in a battle and at this point, sakura is with naruto for many reasons, as friends, teammates, for development, reminiesint of the material from the kazekage rescue arc, even sakura talking with minato is within reason, if sakura and minato have a short but insightful conversaion about naruto, well I dont know what to say at this point, Sakura got to talk with minato again and hinata still hasnt even met narutos dad.

 

However this doesnt kill Hinata's purpose, really its at this point, Hinata's only direct role is well, sadly pairing fodder, she would be reduced to the convinently placed pairing character and not just pairing fans opposed to NH, but many fans in general would not like this display, its because of that lack of use and development with hinata herself and the fact there was so much invested in other characters like neji and for many hoping sakura would die, that would just be bad. If NH came at this point, its just a nightmare for story stuff when it would have incurred this:

-Neji offed for little to no reason on her end, his death was if anything critical for naruto but not like jiraya

-If Sakura was offed, it would be bad to have occured killing not only neji, a complex well developed major character, it would be killing the heroine so a minor character like hinata would have her most predicatble convinently placed purpose to happen.

-It would be only because Hinata hoped for it, it would literally be a slap in the face of Naruto's efforts for sakura and to a degree, even sasuke, it wouldnt be team 7 without sakura.

-Its hard to imagine sakura not present at the final battle, seriously I just cannot imagine hinata there in place of sakura, the main issue is cause sasuke and hinata dont even virtually exist in the same area, they never talk to each other once or even have notions of their plotlines intersect in anyway shape or form.

-It really reduces hinatas role as one of the most underdeveloped spare side token characters. Really if you would look back at the series after it ended if NH did occur at this point, all you would need to tell your friends or newcomers to the series is, her only role is to love naruto, thats it, she is not important overall to the story, she was only made as a conventional token character to be with the hero in the end. Thats not as good as say Jiraya who was made to seek peace and train a savior, or shikamaru who was lazy but smart and became one of the most critical characters in the series, or sai a once emotionless socially awkward soldier who learned to reforge his human emotions by spending time with team 7, even tsunade who was once an alcoholic gambler who feared blood but had her faith rekindled and took up a leadership role that was enduring in the whole series and came to make a once weak ninja like sakura into one of the strongest in the world. Seriously hinata wouldnt have any of these notabilities on her, all you would need to know is that "her love came true because she hoped and managed to just throw herself in front of the hero twice despite no real development."

 

What I was saying before, Hinata's still got a purpose but she remains unpredictable at this point because kishi isnt leading us or giving us a stable idea of where her actions and effects could lead, yes maybe something neji related could pop up but when its neji related its making 615 more about neji, not the hand holding which was the thing invoking NH. Even then it still doesnt overcome the issues NS throws into blockade NH. NH has so much development needed and so much little time remaining rather remaining opportunity. Hinata tripping and missing the sand cloud, yeah that really hinders the progress of NH even more, I mean what will happen next? In all contexts, a NS moment can occur cause sakura is with naruto. After that? Most likely going to naruto and sasuke recovered and returning to fight madara, not NH development chance.

 

We have no idea where kishi intends to take hinata, if he did go the pure most predictable hinata ends with naruto, yeah as I said, not good. Hinata's ending as I said it to be something respectful, it would have to address stuff like the confession in a way like she talks with naruto or sakura (if sakura does in fact turn to naruto and hinata gets wind of this) rather than have a dumb rivals in love type deal, it would most likely be her confronting naruto but having some closure if anything and being happy for him. She cannot change who he loves, if she could at least be happy for naruto, thats better at least then her being a fodder pairing character. Really at this point with more obsticiles coming up for NH, really I see NH as the friendship pairing, not the love one. If NS is going by the kushina foreshadow, logically it would already have won, Naruto still loving sakura and not changing those feelings would still be the big issue if theres nothing to make naruto turn nor should there be something that prevents this to incur SS by risking undermining sakuras development or making sasuke completely out of character if he did love sakura. Really Hinata's most stable ending I could say would just be her becoming clan head but also being happy and a longtime comrade of naruto.

 

Besides, i say NS mainly because that relation started rocky but changed and became the most dynamic, not like NH which was neutral at first but became well only positive. NS started as negative with sakura hating narutos guts but she came to tolerate, accept, trust, and care a lot for him. Really just seeing the early panel of her saying naruto is annoying to the present with her about to cry over naruto approaching death. Yeah the dynamic change between these times is much stronger and impactful than say naruto calling hinata a wierdo and her being shy to the results of 615 just showing thankfulness if anything.

 

615 didnt make me smile for hinata, it made me cry for neji. Hinata held narutos hand and that was that, why did naruto do it besides chakra transfer? At this point I say its best because of thanking and confiding hinata over nejis death. But that last panel in 662, yes Im crying at the situation for Naruto and Sasuke and how Sakura and Karin respectively are reacting to it, Karin is sheding waterfalls of concern, Sakura is trying to remain strong but is about to break out, that one panel you can tell more than any she is about to cry more than ever, more than when she thought haku killed sasuke, more than when both naruto and sauske were knocked out, more than when sasuke was berserk with the curse seal, more than when he ran away, more than when she found out about the jinchurki extraction (which could pop up in a flashback with the current situation), more than when she saw the 4 tails, more than when they failed to save sasuke, more than when she found out he joined the akaskuti and nearly killed her, more than what sai revealed to her, and learning about the aspect of naruto and sasuke dying if they faced each other. In all these situations sakura cried over the thought or possibility of losing someone or about how these actions caused really negative things, how naruto was cursed on his side despite being the innocent one and on sasukes its been his bad jerk actions on the world. But this time Sakura is experiencing for the first time, the real possibility of losing someone she truely cares about, in her own efforts to try and save him too. The sakura who hated narutos guts has long died, this sakura is the grown one who cares for naruto and is about ready to cry because she cannot bear the thought of him really dying. Sakura has cried a lot in the series, but shes cried because she cares. In this situation, these tears are the strongest she will ever shed. Hinata has her purpose but if anything its not the forefront we see with NS and its too far away at this point to do anything. Hinata will have her ending but NH will be there, but only as friendship it seems with each passing chapter when we get more on NS. NS will more than likely come in the end with all the development and hints, NH as friendship. For NH to be love, its way too far behind and the time for developing it has long passed, theres only so much left that could be done with it, really it should just end in a way that doesnt reduce hinata to nothing or make her suffer as a fodder character, if anything as I said, resolving the confession and having closure maturity and behing happy for naruto loving sakura is one thing that can make her ending good.



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Posted 24 January 2014 - 05:58 AM

 
That was explained around chapter 600, and Hashirama gave Sasuke his Chakra, like how Naruto gave everyone Kurama's Chakra and from what we've seen Edo Tensei seem to be made of paper or something (if Tobirama being able to turn himself into Paper Bombs is anything to go by) and don't seem to have DNA.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 06:07 AM

Well, I'd definitely much rather Sasuke got the rinnengan than Naruto

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 06:07 AM

*Powerful rant of facts*

Holy crap dude... 

 

Anyway long story short, just like Naruto's and Sasuke's stories are going in reverse, so are Sakura's and Hinata's. By that I mean Sasuke basically had everything and is now ending up with nothing where Naruto was the reverse. Sakura started out being one track minded but has evolved into a better defined character while Hinata was more or less open to anything (not just Naruto) and now has literally become part 1 Sakura for Naruto. 


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 06:49 AM

 
I have one question about this theory, who's gonna perform the seal? remember Minato only has one arm, and Kakashi has only been shown capable of preforming the Basic Sealing Jutsu (a ability which impressed Orochimaru) and he has not seen anybody (at least on panel) preform any Fuinjutsu such as the one Minato used to seal Kurama.

What about hiruzen?

-his relationship with naruto & the fact that he's been kicking some butt the past 2 chapters..

I'm genuinely curious if hiruzen is a plausible option.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 07:29 AM

So excited! :nsdance:  I'll be interested to see what happens A: When Sakura finds out how all this happened. B: When Naruto "dies" (That is if he dies) Will she try and use the resurrection jutsu (and with what energy?)? C: How she reacts when Naruto is brought back to life (EEEEK! I CAN'T WAIT) If Kishi blatantly ignores Sakura after putting her directly involved with Naruto's end of care I will freak out. (and not in my present giddy way.)



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Posted 24 January 2014 - 07:53 AM

What about hiruzen?

-his relationship with naruto & the fact that he's been kicking some butt the past 2 chapters..

I'm genuinely curious if hiruzen is a plausible option.

 

Hiruzen is kinda busy dealing with Spiral Zetsu Right now. Remember Shikamaru said that he is the only one who still has the Chakra to fight.


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 08:26 AM

Well, the story of Kuruma is known to Konoha. Unless Hiruzen made it anonymous on who saved them from Kuruma.


They know who saved them but they dont know the whole details. Like Minato being the one to put Kuruma in Naruto. Unless Sakura figures it out herself.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 08:39 AM

They know who saved them but they dont know the whole details. Like Minato being the one to put Kuruma in Naruto. Unless Sakura figures it out herself.

She knows that Naruto is an Jinchuuriki, that resulted him to be an outsider and hated by people. So yeah, that's clear. As for who did it, well she might put the pieces together since she found out that Minato is the same as Naruto in BM. Make sense to me.



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Posted 24 January 2014 - 09:53 AM

I wonder, will Madara go after obito/minato/kakashi next? then it's quite impossible to heal naruto there, and some ppl were speculating whether gaara will take him to the uzumaki shrine.. and some fans say izanami might be used

because of the same sword placement


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 10:32 AM

I wonder, will Madara go after obito/minato/kakashi next? then it's quite impossible to heal naruto there, and some ppl were speculating whether gaara will take him to the uzumaki shrine.. and some fans say izanami might be used

because of the same sword placement

 

That is where Kakashi is situated at the moment. Gaara arriving with Naruto at death's door and a panic-stricken Sakura trying to resuscitate him would pave the way for a sombre but hopelessly determined effort of the teammates to bring him back to life. Kakashi also knows about the fate of jinchuurikis who lose their bijuu since he was an important eyewitness of Gaara's revival and when Chiyo explained the specifics of the sealing process. 

 

Sakura might try to use a tensei ninjutsu. Should that happen, I can picture a single-mindedly determined Gaara and Kakashi offering their own life energy in place of Sakura's in order to resurrect their close friend/teammate. Not just for his sake, but to prevent Sakura from having to sacrifice some of her own life energy; perhaps under the guise that as her commanding officers, they should be the ones to place their lives on the line first. 

 

Minato would have to remain vigilant of Black Zetsu to ensure that he doesn't try and escape. If Madara shows up then that could make the situation dire. Besides retrieving his other Rinnegan, Yin Kurama would be in the cross hairs, poised for extraction and sealing. There's nothing that could be done to stop Black Zetsu if it came to that. 






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