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[Rocket]

Anyone else feel that way? That the last line makes the difference? We can only wait and see how it is resolved....

Yuppers, I'm gonna raise my glass... of coke [] to this one.

Also, pretty much from the part where she embraces him to the part he cuts her off was very sincere and true. I mean, all the stuff she said in between those parts was true, right? He has been by her side from the start, he has encouraged her, even at her worst... and he still continues to do all that and more, even now. I guess the beginning of the confession did have some sort of manipulative vibe to it, but hey, at least it was for Naruto's own benefit, not for her own personal gain.

Not to mention Sakura said that she doesn't want to make anymore mistakes. If that really was a mistake, she, everyone else, and we, as the audience, would know that it would definitely be the worst mistake she's ever made. Sakura knows better than that.

edit: it's also kind of sad too, because he cuts off her confession to tell her "that joke isn't funny." He can't even accept her love. Whether he believes her or not isn't even on the table. He just doesn't accept that she loves him. And then he says "I hate people who lie to themselves." But isn't he the one lying to himself, not Sakura? Anyway, bittersweet.

This.

He was still holding onto the old Team 7 picture, I guess. He didn't want to let that go, and [unfortunately for him] that picture shattered when Sai told him... pretty much everything.

Oh and you know what really annoys me? How opposing fandoms say that Naruto totally rejected Sakura. This really has me going "WTF? How can Naruto reject Sakura when he never believed her in the first place?" I'm pretty sure that rejection would be there if Naruto did believe Sakura, but somehow he no longer had feelings for her and turned her down. Oh well, last time I checked the definition of rejection on Google, I found these:

1. The dismissing or refusing of a proposal, idea, etc
- the union decided last night to recommend rejection of the offer

2. The spurning of a person's affections
- some people are reluctant to try it, because they fear rejection

Now, do we see this in the confession?

Does anyone know if there are official Viz translations of this chapter?

Damn, I should have taken a picture of chapter 469 while I was at Armageddon Expo 2011. Oh well, Supanova's coming up in about 2 weeks so I'll check it there if no one finds it by then

Edited by ChidoriLuv, 30 October 2011 - 04:20 AM.

[Anguyen92]

Which all goes back to the whole "I'm willing to see Naruhina, in a good light, if and only if, Naruto has officially said on manga proof that he does not love or admire Sakura anymore." Also, rejection and not believing is not really the same thing. Did he actually said anything on the lines of I don't love you, during the confession?

As always, we just have to see it all play out, in the end. Quite frankly, no pairings is dead yet and narusaku still got the pairings advantage in most aspects. They just need a conversation on where they will go in the future and I'm willing to wait another 50 or so chapters for that to happen.

Edited by Anguyen92, 30 October 2011 - 04:18 AM.

[tricksie]

Yuppers, I'm gonna raise my glass... of coke [] to this one.

Also, pretty much from the part where she embraces him to the part he cuts her off was very sincere and true. I mean, all the stuff she said in between those parts was true, right? He has been by her side from the start, he has encouraged her, even at her worst... and he still continues to do all that and more, even now. I guess the beginning of the confession did have some sort of manipulative vibe to it, but hey, at least it was for Naruto's own benefit, not for her own personal gain.

Right! And I don't even see the "confession" so much as manipulative...I just don't think the first part is a true confession of her own feelings. In the beginning, I think she was more focused on her feelings about Naruto and Sasuke, and Naruto's devotion to him. in the middle, the tone was shifting to her feelings about Naruto and Sasuke separately. And I think the end lines reflect the untold "true confession" one that focuses on her feelings alone.

@Sakura417, I'd be curious to know about the translations too!

[Don-kun]

Can't agree more but I have to keep open to other couples so as to not seem like a hypocrite

Be open to what other couple i will post her what i post in another forum



The only worry I have is that Kishi is the writer and is many desire to please his Fan, and since the side shipping are bigger and stronger combined than the NaruSaku alone, Kishi may go that way.

Honestly Kishi think more about the Fans and not his story we all know that
example (Uchiha fan are big and he gave us a lot of Uchihas.)
But in the concept of the story I have Zero doubt in the NS example:

-Mina Kushi parallel
-Yamato speech
-Bench scene Forehead Kiss (what will happen when Sakura knows he was Naruto and not Sakuke that complement Her)
-Gaara save (Sakura haven tell Naruto thanks yet)
-Sai gilt trip
-Jirai Tsuna parallel
-Holding her chest when Naruto was in Kyuubi form.
-Sasuke expline Sakura about Naruto gaven is all to save her + (Sasuke I cannot be like you and Naruto''Sakura 1st confession'', Sasuke making her think about how Naruto feel not haven parents, him knowing that Naruto really like Sakura)
-Naruto mental Images of Sakura after speaking with Kushina
-Pick a girl like me Kushina final wish.
-Naruto been destined to achieve all what Jiraiya did not including love.
-I finally Sakura know that Naruto love her, and he would do anything as long as she is happy.

Blue ones are the one I think are been save for NaruSaku final moment.

These are some example that make the NaruSaku that obvious.

the other pairing are not even close when you speak about hint
I am not kidding or been hypocrite here only using my two sense here

Naruto ----> Hinata Zero romance in 561 Chapter and Naruto's end.

Naruto has never felt any romantic attraction towards Hinata
or something like the way Sakura feels about him call NS relation what you want but we know
Sakura feels something for Naruto.

Sasuke ---> Sakura manga event speak by it self: He try to kill her 3 times he always break her heart and he was a jork to her.

Plus thats a pretty pathetic end for Sakura's development in the series? Im not implying anything....I do think an SS ending is just......wrong and it does not favors Sakura's development....in my opinion

There is no pairing that is worse than SasuSaku, what SasuSaku represents to her is sad, + her character will be destroyed, as it will show lack of self respect for herself, plus it's very detrimental for her.

It's just Kishi and his fan pleasing BS that I don't trust.

NaruSaku Make all the in the sense in the world and all the fans that have seen Naruto Manga know that, Kishi for me is the one that don't make sense sometimes.


I cannot have an open mind because and Manga event there is no way to avoid NS
unless Kishi's just want to please the majority of the fan and ignore what Naruto wanted from the beginning and destroy Sakura's character.

[Anguyen92]

^^ I honestly think that Kishi has the ending all planned out since the beginning, a little over a decade ago, so the whole side-shipping to please the fans shouldn't be applied there. If that was the case, then he would have given Naruhina a better development to have some sort of 50-50, as oppose to 99-1, chance, but that was not the case.

And yep, I agree, if Sasusaku happens, then Sakura's character development would be destroyed. That whole Tsundere always keeping the main protagonist focus and motivated on the goal at hand and is always strong and not doubt her abilities. Quite frankly, I love that kind of character, why would Kishi try to destroy that just for the side-pairing fans? What's the point of building Sakura like that if he was to bring her down in the end?

Edited by Anguyen92, 30 October 2011 - 04:55 AM.

[Don-kun]

^^ I honestly think that Kishi has the ending all planned out since the beginning, a little over a decade ago, so the whole side-shipping to please the fans shouldn't be applied there. If that was the case, then he would have given Naruhina a better development to have some sort of 50-50, as oppose to 99-1, chance, but that was not the case.

And yep, I agree, if Sasusaku happens, then Sakura's character development would be destroyed. That whole Tsundere always keeping the main protagonist focus and motivated on the goal at hand and is always strong and not doubt her abilities. Quite frankly, I love that kind of character, why would Kishi try to destroy that just for the side-pairing fans? What's the point of building Sakura like that if he was to bring her down in the end?

^^ I Agree

I did not try to use that has an argument
but I really don't see Kisshi throwing away all of Sakura growth, only Look at the 540, it should be a SS moment but what he did he make it look negative and Sakura.

Plus the long waiting with Hinata's confession, he make Naruto thank her and adknowledge her growth with out any romantic spark. now Kishi to turn around and make a NH and SS I really cannot see that happening there are so many Things between Naruto and Sakura that needs to be clarify.

Edited by donjoseph19, 30 October 2011 - 05:28 AM.

[CaramelMiki]

I totally overlooked that part. I geuss I should have paid more attention. Hmmm.. I always thought that Naruto was lying to himself too but that's just me. One problem with it was the "I hate people who lie to themselves" line. I don't know if the chapter was done by biased translators but that line just really bothers me for some reason. P.S. Does anyone know if there are official Viz translations of this chapter?

I have that manga volume ^^

and Naruto does say "I... hate people who lie to themselves!"

and they bolded that part

Edited by CaramelMiki, 30 October 2011 - 05:40 AM.

[FoolishYoungling]

NaruSaku Make all the in the sense in the world and all the fans that have seen Naruto Manga know that, Kishi for me is the one that don't make sense sometimes.


I cannot have an open mind because and Manga event there is no way to avoid NS
unless Kishi's just want to please the majority of the fan and ignore what Naruto wanted from the beginning and destroy Sakura's character.

Yep! Sakura character would be destoryed if she didn't pick Naruto, only reason NH fans don't see that and change their minds is because all NH fans (not NH/Naruto is ok with anyone fans) don't like Sakura. They decided that since NS made more sence than NH, that they would sent hateful letters to Kishi, make up fake interveiws that Kishi never did, and deny are must simple NS moments (Kushina saying "pick someone like me"). I'm not saying NH fans are bad or anything, I'm saying that their opinion on Sakura is just wrong, I hate NH with all my heart, but Hinata as a character is just fine with me, so why do NH fans got to hate on Sakura. On a side not, I don't mean to offend any NH fans, just saying this to all the anti Sakura fans, because I know all NH arn't 10 year olds with a computer that like posting untrue events in the manga. As for SS, pfft, I guess you guys just like seeing heroines end up being a undeveloped girl that falls for the killer? Yea, in Naruto that counts as a huge fail.

edit: ...And since Naruto is hero and Sakura is heroine, the confession would be one of those out of nowhere 10/10 rated worldwide events that make Naruto end up as one of the best animes. While NH would be an insult to people making fillers everywhere *cough you stupid pierrot cough*

Edited by NaruSaku1, 30 October 2011 - 05:43 AM.

[Don-kun]

I have that manga volume ^^

and Naruto does say "I... hate people who lie to themselves!"

and they bolded that part

Naruto did Hate Nagato too you know and look at them know

Sakura at that confession IMHO she was been honest about him
if you do a balance between Sakura & Naruto part one and Sakura & Naruto part two there is a big difference.
she lied to herself about Sasuke big time, but about Naruto part not including the ''I LOVE YOU''
she was 100% honest with him and Naruto need to accept that.

she did not mention a single lie only the ''I LOVE YOU'' and not caring for her for Sasuke anymore, every single word apart from that was true and Naruto was been ''BAKA''
He should cut her of with out the "I... hate people who lie to themselves!" that was rude.

Edited by donjoseph19, 30 October 2011 - 06:07 AM.

[naruto-z]

So...since this thread is completely off topic and needs a refresher, what does everyone think about Naruto being with Sakura at this time.
I know that Kishimoto has revealed very little interaction between the two as of now and I understand that the timing is not great at all since they're in the middle of the war. But how may Sakura be reacting to this. She didn't seem to quite object yet to Naruto's sudden appearance. And no talk has yet commenced between the two. What do you all think?

I think this scene http://www.mangaread...t/naruto/558/15 was actually an insight to Sakura's developing emotions towards a relationship.
I believe Kishimoto is slowly developing Sakura's take on relationships with the Lover-nin and random inputs of relationships. What do you guys think about this frame?

Edited by naruto-z, 30 October 2011 - 05:06 PM.

[FoolishYoungling]

So...since this thread is completely off topic and needs a refresher, what does everyone think about Naruto being with Sakura at this time.
I know that Kishimoto has revealed very little interaction between the two as of now and I understand that the timing is not great at all since they're in the middle of the war. But how may Sakura be reacting to this. She didn't seem to quite object yet to Naruto's sudden appearance. And no talk has yet commenced between the two. What do you all think?

I think this scene http://www.mangaread...t/naruto/558/15 was actually an insight to Sakura's developing emotions towards a relationship.
I believe Kishimoto is slowly developing Sakura's take on relationships with the Lover-nin and random inputs of relationships. What do you guys think about this frame?

Sakura is falling for the caring kind of guys, is that what your saying? If so then most likely yes.

[Don-kun]

So...since this thread is completely off topic and needs a refresher, what does everyone think about Naruto being with Sakura at this time.
I know that Kishimoto has revealed very little interaction between the two as of now and I understand that the timing is not great at all since they're in the middle of the war. But how may Sakura be reacting to this. She didn't seem to quite object yet to Naruto's sudden appearance. And no talk has yet commenced between the two. What do you all think?

I think this scene http://www.mangaread...t/naruto/558/15 was actually an insight to Sakura's developing emotions towards a relationship.
I believe Kishimoto is slowly developing Sakura's take on relationships with the Lover-nin and random inputs of relationships. What do you guys think about this frame?

I'm confused you care to elaborate more plz

[Super Boom]

I'll take a stab....

A while back there was discussion of Sakura's confession, and several people weighed in to varying degrees of believing her. From believing fully in her confession to believing she loves Naruto but is only halfway there to thinking Sakura was lying in the confession but will probably end up NS anyway. So feel free to find your place in that spectrum.

However, I think there was an important moment in that confession that is often overlooked. And, for me, it's what makes the difference between halfway feelings and a full, if botched, confession of her love.

The last three lines were extremely sensitive, personal and heartfelt.

"You're right here and I can touch you like this. You make me feel safe. Right now, from the bottom of my heart, I—"

I'm not 100% that's how original line went, but if it was, then I agree that was a very tender moment. My original confusion with Sakura's confession was how so many fans read Naruto's line, and took the entire confession as an extension of his "lying to yourself" comment. To me, the confession really seemed to be all over the place, concerning how Sakura was acting.
When she first confessed her feelings, I was sort of on the fence regarding whether or not she was lying, since it seems pretty OOC for her to just suddenly confess to the guy she's pretended not to like for so long in front of several of their age peers, and two of their squad leaders. It'd be the same as Tsunade declaring her love for Jiraiya on the village PA system. Okay, maybe not quite the same, but it seems like characters like Sakura and Tsunade generally have to be forced to declare their feelings (for Naruto/Jiraiya anyway), and even then, I'd think they'd be a little embarrassed. Sakura just came out with her feelings, and seemed pretty comfortable declaring it. On top of that, she used her previously established 'fake smile' several times when talking about Sasuke, so I sort of gleaned that that part of the confession was false.

But as the scene progressed, it definitely seemed like her actions were less OOC, and she was decidedly more tender. I'm not sure if that was done intentionally, but the line you mentioned really seemed incredibly heartfelt. If she was originally planning a 'fake' confession, I definitely think it's possible that Sakura made a personal revelation while giving it. Her reaction to Naruto's comment also seemed really in-character for her. So, regardless of what else was at play, or what she was really thinking, I don't doubt that Kishi was trying to make certain parts of that confession ambiguous when he wrote it.

I think this scene http://www.mangaread...t/naruto/558/15 was actually an insight to Sakura's developing emotions towards a relationship.
I believe Kishimoto is slowly developing Sakura's take on relationships with the Lover-nin and random inputs of relationships. What do you guys think about this frame?

That thought crossed my mind too, and I definitely think that's possible. Sakura is definitely at the center of the romantic subplot, and her character seems more prone to romantic moments/implications than anyone else (including Hinata). So I guess it could be the case that Sakura is thinking of her own love life when she sees Mr. and Mrs. Zetsu. She could be thinking of whether or not she loves Naruto or Sasuke enough to want to die for them. She's put her life on the line for both of them in the past, but that scene could have spurred the thought in her head as to if she could go on living without one of them (with Sasuke it could be an eye-opener for her, depending on how one read the 540 scene).

But I guess I way I originally took it is that one of Sakura's biggest potential weaknesses is how much of a caring individual she is, and the Zetsu couple managed to take advantage of that. But considering it was her seeing a husband/wife that gave her that reaction, it's definitely possible that Kishi was pointing out a certain thought process on Sakura's part. That, combined with who appeared out of nowhere a page later, makes me wonder if there was a certain implication there.

Edited by Boom...Winning, 31 October 2011 - 12:09 AM.

[tricksie]

But I guess I way I originally took it is that one of Sakura's biggest potential weaknesses is how much of a caring individual she is, and the Zetsu couple managed to take advantage of that. But considering it was her seeing a husband/wife that gave her that reaction, it's definitely possible that Kishi was pointing out a certain thought process on Sakura's part. That, combined with who appeared out of nowhere a page later, makes me wonder if there was a certain implication there.

Right. Sakura, who is pretty much emotionally unflappable (she can take a lot of scary stuff before she reaches her freak-out limit), was clearly touched by the sight of a husband-wife fighting side-by-side and willing to die for the other one. Or would die without the other one. Sound familiar? Isn't this the same kind of sacrifice she was going to make for Naruto? Killing Sasuke, with the risk of him killing her, just to keep Naruto safe? So the parallel to her relationship to Naruto with the husband-wife is clear.

If she were thinking of Sasuke, there would be no reason for her to have her heartstrings tugged at by an allied shinobi couple. Because Sasuke is none of those things to her. They've never been close, they don't fight on the same side, and thought of him in a married relationship would be ridiculous after she's just tried to assasinate him. So the husband-wife ninjas should have no effect on her. However, if she cared for Sasuke still, then you would expect her to be looking sympathetically toward loner shinobi who have been captured and hauled in. Only someone like that would remind her of Sasuke.

So yeah, I agree, I think it's very significant. And I think you really hit the nail on the head saying that Sakura is clearly at the center of the romantic subplot of the story.

[Don-kun]

That thought crossed my mind too, and I definitely think that's possible. Sakura is definitely at the center of the romantic subplot, and her character seems more prone to romantic moments/implications than anyone else (including Hinata). So I guess it could be the case that Sakura is thinking of her own love life when she sees Mr. and Mrs. Zetsu. She could be thinking of whether or not she loves Naruto or Sasuke enough to want to die for them. She's put her life on the line for both of them in the past, but that scene could have spurred the thought in her head as to if she could go on living without one of them (with Sasuke it could be an eye-opener for her, depending on how one read the 540 scene).

But I guess I way I originally took it is that one of Sakura's biggest potential weaknesses is how much of a caring individual she is, and the Zetsu couple managed to take advantage of that. But considering it was her seeing a husband/wife that gave her that reaction, it's definitely possible that Kishi was pointing out a certain thought process on Sakura's part. That, combined with who appeared out of nowhere a page later, makes me wonder if there was a certain implication there.

Thanks for the clarification I was really confused

But looking back at this chapter I wonder if Kishi is avoiding any interaction between Sakura and Naruto to give more life to the pairing issues

after the conf.

Naruto save Sakura from Sasuke '' Sakura thank you''

Sakura to Naruto ''Tsunade sama is ok'' see you later Naruto

There has 91 chapter with out any Naruto and Sakura interaction you people don't find that odd.

Think about what Kishi is hiding.

Edited by donjoseph19, 31 October 2011 - 01:33 AM.

[Anguyen92]

^^ Well luckily in between, Naruto had new powers and met his mom, which may actually motivate him more to actually end up with Sakura, due to how Kushina and Minato met and all of that and his mom's last wish. This war will eventually end and they will have a conversation on where they will go in the future. Hopefully, and most likely, they will end with each other. I can guarren-damn-tee that.

Naruto save Sakura from Sasuke '' Sakura thank you''

Wait, when did Naruto say thank you to Sakura after the confession? Can I see manga proof of that for clarification?

Edited by Anguyen92, 31 October 2011 - 01:39 AM.

[Derock]

Wait, when did Naruto say thank you to Sakura after the confession? Can I see manga proof of that for clarification?

He meant Sakura thanking Naruto for saving her. It was a typo on donjoseph's end.

[Anguyen92]

^^ Oh ok, that makes sense given the context of him saving her from Sasuke. I apologize for my misread.

Edited by Anguyen92, 31 October 2011 - 01:46 AM.

[Phantom_999]

You didn't misread it. He typed in Sakura instead of Naruto

Edited by Phantom_999, 31 October 2011 - 01:55 AM.

[Don-kun]

^^ Oh ok, that makes sense given the context of him saving her from Sasuke. I apologize for my misread.

Is ok my english is in working process

but I really connot understand this manga sometime

how is possible that all the rookies express why there are fighting this war

But not Naruto best friend, why Kishi hiding Sakura inner thought and Naruto

I really thing that the moment he show that plus some Naru Saku real interaction it will be
the end of the pairing wars.

The confession, Naruto saving Sakura and Kushina last wish are really heavy stuff to make Naruto and sakura act as if nothing happen.

You didn't misread it. He typed in Sakura instead of Naruto

I meant Sakura thanking Naruto for saving her

Edited by donjoseph19, 31 October 2011 - 02:15 AM.