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Posted 21 August 2013 - 09:58 AM

I mean she's getting the development that a confession from Naruto would give.
Naruto changed her on this war arc, there's her insecurity but he can say this without confessing.
Sakura has confidence in herself since Naruto acknowledged her from the bottom of his heart with the kyuubi thing, and ended up when she confronted him.

Her development on that revelation about Naruto's feelings for her is the same when Kakashi told Rin about Obito's feelings, they both cried, and most important both of those scenes are meant for them to get over their past loves, i mean there's no other purpose on Sai's revelation and Kakashi other than serving as an start for moving on.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 11:28 AM

However within the month's end we should get a little thumbnail o volume 66's cover... Surely it will be about the team7, I only hope that there's Sakura, it's been a while since she appeared on a volume cover.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 12:12 PM

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Oohh my god....:facepalm: ....and hiw exactly does this make hinata like minato? NOTHING!!!
Naruto is obviously gonna defend his dad, naturally. Naruto has done this with lee also during the road to ninja manga. Does that make lee anything like minato? No.
The panels with naruto giving hinata chakra and naruto fist bumping his dad might look the same, but that doesnt confirm anything. Minato is strong, independent and has a light personality, for the millionth time, if theres a girl from naruto manga to be conpared to minato, its sakura. For reasons I've stated a million times before and they're actually from the manga. It really is an insult to conpare hinata to the fourth. Sakura is the only girl that can be compared to minato.

The western hinata fans really are full of double standards. Its really pathetic.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 12:14 PM

Funny how they say this but when it happens for NaruSaku is means nothing. Honestly it is sad that the text shows parallels do mean nothing but they have been trying very hard to confirm these parallels since 631. I just don't get it. Naruto was supposed to find someone like his mother, not his father. Don't even know anymore.

The thing is, hinata is NOTHING like minato.

Pfft, desperate.....haha..and whats actually funny is that sakura is the only one that is the closest to minato....lunaneko14 eh? More like lunatic14 :lmao:

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 12:21 PM

Oohh my god....:facepalm: ....and hiw exactly does this make hinata like minato? NOTHING!!!
Naruto is obviously gonna defend his dad, naturally. Naruto has done this with lee also during the road to ninja manga. Does that make lee anything like minato? No.
The panels with naruto giving hinata chakra and naruto fist bumping his dad might look the same, but that doesnt confirm anything. Minato is strong, independent and has a light personality, for the millionth time, if theres a girl from naruto manga to be conpared to minato, its sakura. For reasons I've stated a million times before and they're actually from the manga. It really is an insult to conpare hinata to the fourth. Sakura is the only girl that can be compared to minato.

The western hinata fans really are full of double standards. Its really pathetic.


It would be awesome for Minato to say that him and Kushina are pretty similar

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 12:28 PM

Narutos confession is definitely necessary and will definitely have an impact.
 
The point isnt whether Sakura knows that Naruto loves her or not - Sais conversation with Sakura was never meant to be Narutos confession by proxy how could it be when all it focused on was negatives?  Sai told her that Naruto loves her in order to make her see how her actions (and inaction) had a detrimental effect on him.  Sakura also realized at this time that she had broken Narutos heart when she asked him to bring back Sasuke, just as surely as Sasuke had broken hers when he left.  Hence, the gross sobbing on Sakuras part in response.
 
Neither that conversation with Sai, nor the events at the summit, did anything to address Sakuras feelings of inadequacy when it comes to how she perceives her own treatment of Naruto:
 
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In fact, it only added to it and made it worse:
 
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These two thoughts are definitely untrue Sakura cant see how much of a positive impact she has had on Narutos life, how much she means to Naruto.
 
I actually think Sakura might even be in doubt that Naruto actually still loves her after his reaction to her fake confession at the summit why else would she say to him, If you dont like me anymore, then just say so!.  This could also be why she looked so hurt after Naruto told her he hated people who lie to themselves.  It took courage for Sakura to put herself out like that to Naruto, whether or not she was being honest with herself, and I think her self confidence in regards to her romantic appeal took a significant hit.
 
So for Naruto to tell her directly that he loves her, that he values her over others, how much she means to him and how much shes helped him would have a huge impact on Sakuras character, imo.  She would gain a great deal of self-confidence, worth, and happiness as well from knowing that she was able to help Naruto and be there for him, that she is loved and cherished and accepted 100% for just who she is.  Instead of a negative impact on Sakura, it would serve to make her happier, completely content in herself and who she is.
 
It would also impact Narutos character, for him to be able to open up and tell Sakura that he loves her would be a significant weight off of his chest.  Even if the other person knows, it feels amazing to finally let things out that you have kept bottled up for years.
 
A simple forehead kiss/compliment alone would not accomplish all of the above, not even by half - at least, in my opinion.
 

I think Kishi is keeping it hidden much in the same vein he keeps cutting off Sakura anytime her feelings for Naruto are actually brought up.  There's just no sense in continuously cutting off that train of thought/conversation unless Kishimoto was intentionally building up to a reveal later on - and seriously, does anyone think the reveal is going to be that Sakura thinks of Naruto as her bestest most platonic friend ever?
 

1.  A reader can point out as many superficial similarities as they can find; it does not make a bit of difference until Kishimoto himself actually confirms there is supposed to be a similiarity - in which case, a parallel can actually be confirmed.  Hinata has never been compared to Minato in the manga ever - no one has said or thought that she reminds them of Minato, nor has she ever been drawn with Minato's image layed on top of or behind her.
 
2.  The Hinata = Minato parallel is irrelevant to begin with, because the foreshadowing was in regards to a girl like Kushina, not like a girl like Minato.
 
3.  I guess Kakashi is a parallel to Minato as well, since Obito similarly mentally attacked Kakashi as well, and Naruto defended him just as aggresively.  KakaNaru for the win!  :zaru:
 
4.  Because bumping fists is totally the same as hand holding!  KillerBee parallels Minato too!  KillerBee x Naruto for the win!  :zaru:  Though the level of romantic intent on Naruto's part is the same in all three scenes, so I guess it does work.
 
In all honesty, Naruto and Hinata's relationship most strongly reminds me of Naruto and Gaara's - Naruto saved both of them from going down the wrong path, he held both of their hands (held/shook, same difference), he smiled at both of them, he wanted to save/protect both of them, and he's cried over both.  Not to mention Naruto and Gaara also got a third party comment in the war ("You two make a good pair") and Gaara has been equally as protective of Naruto in this war as Hinata as.  Only Naruto and Gaara's relationship has even more physical contact than Naruto and Hinata's, what with the placing hands on each other's shoulders as well.  Not to mention, Naruto actually blushed when Gaara first tried to shake Naruto's hand.
 

This - a thousand times this!

The problem isnt just that kushinat didnt say find someone like your father. If hinata really was like minato then that lunatic14's post would atleast be manga evidence, but the real problem is tjat hinata is absolutely nothing like minato andthe manga is here to back my logic up.

Sakura is the kushina, tsunade, mito and rin of this generstion (if you wanna go conpsting a girl to minato that would be sakura)
Naruto is the minato, jiraya, hashirama and good obito of this generation.
Sasuke doesnt really fit in the parallelism. Hes sorts the orochimaru, sorta the madara. But different nevertheless.

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Well if you think about it minakushi is based off of narusaku. Naruto and sakura have the same personality but sakura is a bit more reserved than naruto, but then again she has a fiery personality like kushina and like naruto and also tsunade. So minato and kushina being similar is actually legit. Sakura has similar traits to minato only a bit. But shes a carbon copy of kushina, with a bit of tsunade, rin and maybe even mito. We already know about naruto.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 12:57 PM

I just wonder why some fans still expect NH to get a free pass, or to suddenly just rocket by despite both the lack of development and large amount of space and time these things go undeveloped. I mean if Kishi was serious about NH, he would have started it earlier or developed it or given it more attention following the pain events. But what do we get after the confession? Nothing, Naruto never talked to Hinata, we never even see her again till the aftermath of the 5 kage summit when he tells everyone to leave Sasuke to him. The only notion was when Naruto had a memory of her defending him from pain yet thats is, again nothing. What happened instead? Naruto spends time with team 7 and spends more time worrying about Tsunade's condition after protecting the village and he tries to keep Sakura happy over the issues regarding Sasuke at that time telling the land of wave characters that Sasuke just left the village for a bit and he gets beaten up to not rat out Sasuke. Then the war starts, nothing on Hinata until 615. Seriously it was practically another 150 chapters or so from the pain event to 615 in order to even give Hinata another moment. Why do people suddenly think these blank gaps will be filled in? They won't, especially now with events like 631 proclaiming Sakura like Kushina and Naruto liking the notion of Sakura as his girlfriend, then what is NH to do? Its very funny how much NS stuff can come up now with all the Rin stuff being shown from Obito recently and given the situation of not trusting Sasuke. What is NH actually expecting? Sakura to still love Sasuke after this? She is changing, she isn't going to revert.



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 12:58 PM

Sakura isn't really a carbon copy of Kushina. They do have similar traits because that's what makes a parallel but to call them carbon copy it's too much.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 01:07 PM

Parallel don't mean the exact same, rather similarities. There's a reason why we have two different words. If it was the same, then we will have the same situation with the same characteristics with the same background with the same same. That's not parallel. Where's the fun in that?



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 01:21 PM

I just wonder why some fans still expect NH to get a free pass, or to suddenly just rocket by despite both the lack of development and large amount of space and time these things go undeveloped. I mean if Kishi was serious about NH, he would have started it earlier or developed it or given it more attention following the pain events. But what do we get after the confession? Nothing, Naruto never talked to Hinata, we never even see her again till the aftermath of the 5 kage summit when he tells everyone to leave Sasuke to him. The only notion was when Naruto had a memory of her defending him from pain yet thats is, again nothing. What happened instead? Naruto spends time with team 7 and spends more time worrying about Tsunade's condition after protecting the village and he tries to keep Sakura happy over the issues regarding Sasuke at that time telling the land of wave characters that Sasuke just left the village for a bit and he gets beaten up to not rat out Sasuke. Then the war starts, nothing on Hinata until 615. Seriously it was practically another 150 chapters or so from the pain event to 615 in order to even give Hinata another moment. Why do people suddenly think these blank gaps will be filled in? They won't, especially now with events like 631 proclaiming Sakura like Kushina and Naruto liking the notion of Sakura as his girlfriend, then what is NH to do? Its very funny how much NS stuff can come up now with all the Rin stuff being shown from Obito recently and given the situation of not trusting Sasuke. What is NH actually expecting? Sakura to still love Sasuke after this? She is changing, she isn't going to revert.

I've heard and I've been seeing here and there that nothing is set into stone yet , which is partially true and when they see reciprocation aka Kiss they are gonna deny everything till the very end .
Also that Naruto has to choose one of both , because he loves both...................

Apparently that's too much.............

The only one person in the entire freaking manga with lingering feelings and most change in dynamics is S-A-K-U-R-A, not Naruto not Sasuke and definitely not Hinata.. His feelings are manga canon since chapter 3, how is that avoided ?

I don't know how after 640 chapters of development any other pairing has a chance of happening but NS , seriously kishi makes the hints so obvious that you have to be blind not to see them.
 


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 01:47 PM

You know, when it becomes canon, it's going to feel funny to look back and think others, "Not going to happen." Not only that, but the view could be much clearer like "Oh NH is always friendly level, never driving force." I mean it happened with the episode of 559 in which many people actually saw it friendly. I don't know if it's because of the recent event in the manga or just now get the right idea. Really, it's becoming so friendly.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:19 PM

Oohh my god.... :facepalm: ....and hiw exactly does this make hinata like minato? NOTHING!!!
Naruto is obviously gonna defend his dad, naturally. Naruto has done this with lee also during the road to ninja manga. Does that make lee anything like minato? No.
The panels with naruto giving hinata chakra and naruto fist bumping his dad might look the same, but that doesnt confirm anything. Minato is strong, independent and has a light personality, for the millionth time, if theres a girl from naruto manga to be conpared to minato, its sakura. For reasons I've stated a million times before and they're actually from the manga. It really is an insult to conpare hinata to the fourth. Sakura is the only girl that can be compared to minato.

The western hinata fans really are full of double standards. Its really pathetic.

 

If they are going to use arguments like that, then we can claim Naruto x Bee, or Naruto x Kurama or hell Naruto x Nibi, Sanbi, Yonbi, Gobi, Rokubi, and Nanabi canon.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 03:32 PM

That whole picture of saying Minato and Hinata are alike, seriously they claimed stuff like the NS and MK rescue scenes are nothing but think this makes sense? How hard is it to just to see that Minato and Hinata have nothing in common, I mean seriously if Minato was shy he would have shown it, he didn't rather he proved he had a quick and eager side like Naruto when it came to naming things. Geez, even if Kushina had a background involving some family struggle or someone claiming she coundn't do something, if Minato had stood up for her and resolved that issue, rather if Kushina herself used to be shy and followed Minato around wouldn't that have been the primary difference? I mean Kushina herself said she was young on used to hate Naruto but come on, now they want to make "proof" of Minato and Hinata, doing it on how they are both feeling down? I'm sorry but trying to justify a sequence in which they both recognize their shortcomings or being talked down upon is not something to try and base a parallel off of, rather its something that shouldn't even be boasted about, its like saying as with Hinata, Minato was a drastic failure and seeing both of these failure sequences is justifying a pairing. Do people even think how stupid in the end they make these sound?



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 03:36 PM

 

 
 
 
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Wow, nice job!

 

I don't know if it's best to ask now, but I just got off from a video. Here's a question for you guys.

 

A bit off-topic first: Okay, for those who saw LoK, in episode 5, a heartbroken moment happened and well, it was done in a very odd mixed fashion. The character got heartbroken has a really funny(?) reaction of broken down tear that even One Piece looks too serious (well, in some moments). The odd part is the atmosphere asked for a serious moment since the others were serious. The sad part is I actually laughed so I don't even know if it's meant that way. Really hard to say if it was made for that. Looking back now makes me feel odd because I want to laugh but at the same time, I feel horrible.

 

So that all being said would you hate Kishi if SS happens and Naruto sees it, only to have that same reaction from the episode I mentioned above? Personally, I will hate him so much I will go far as blackmail. Okay, I won't do that, but that's the hate level I am describing to you.



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 03:40 PM

Wow, nice job!

 

I don't know if it's best to ask now, but I just got off from a video. Here's a question for you guys.

 

A bit off-topic first: Okay, for those who saw LoK, in episode 5, a heartbroken moment happened and well, it was done in a very odd mixed fashion. The character got heartbroken has a really funny(?) reaction of broken down tear that even One Piece looks too serious (well, in some moments). The odd part is the atmosphere asked for a serious moment since the others were serious. The sad part is I actually laughed so I don't even know if it's meant that way. Really hard to say if it was made for that. Looking back now makes me feel odd because I want to laugh but at the same time, I feel horrible.

 

So that all being said would you hate Kishi if SS happens and Naruto sees it, only to have that same reaction from the episode I mentioned above? Personally, I will hate him so much I will go far as blackmail. Okay, I won't do that, but that's the hate level I am describing to you.

hell yeah I would hate Kishi for doing something like that . That would be messed up for him to do Naruto like that . 


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 03:42 PM

hell yeah I would hate Kishi for doing something like that . That would be messed up for him to do Naruto like that . 

I think the same, for a character who's meant to accomplish everything ending up like that would be ridiculous.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 04:52 PM

Wow, nice job!

 

I don't know if it's best to ask now, but I just got off from a video. Here's a question for you guys.

 

A bit off-topic first: Okay, for those who saw LoK, in episode 5, a heartbroken moment happened and well, it was done in a very odd mixed fashion. The character got heartbroken has a really funny(?) reaction of broken down tear that even One Piece looks too serious (well, in some moments). The odd part is the atmosphere asked for a serious moment since the others were serious. The sad part is I actually laughed so I don't even know if it's meant that way. Really hard to say if it was made for that. Looking back now makes me feel odd because I want to laugh but at the same time, I feel horrible.

 

So that all being said would you hate Kishi if SS happens and Naruto sees it, only to have that same reaction from the episode I mentioned above? Personally, I will hate him so much I will go far as blackmail. Okay, I won't do that, but that's the hate level I am describing to you.

 

Hmm if either SS or NH or even both become cannon I'd just be. Wtf I was wrong huh? They were right? Ah well move on. I refuse to let myself affected by this crap.



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 04:59 PM

I've heard and I've been seeing here and there that nothing is set into stone yet , which is partially true and when they see reciprocation aka Kiss they are gonna deny everything till the very end .
Also that Naruto has to choose one of both , because he loves both...................

Apparently that's too much.............

The only one person in the entire freaking manga with lingering feelings and most change in dynamics is S-A-K-U-R-A, not Naruto not Sasuke and definitely not Hinata.. His feelings are manga canon since chapter 3, how is that avoided ?

I don't know how after 640 chapters of development any other pairing has a chance of happening but NS , seriously kishi makes the hints so obvious that you have to be blind not to see them.
 

There is one thing set in stone and that is Naruto's feelings for Sakura.

 

Before his convo with Sai, it was all speculation based on what lenghts he is willing to go for her, the tender looks and blushes, putting her happiness over his own etc. After that, it was confirmed. It's not a question anymore. We didn't need the spesific "L" word to understand it was a confirmation.

 

Naruto said "How can I tell her?". What do you think Naruto meant? To tell her that he has a crush or just really like her? Or that he supports SasuSaku and is about to move on? The context only fits with "How can I tell her that I love her?".

 

I can't believe this argument still exists. That it's still possible Naruto's feelings aren't love. To say Naruto has never said he loves Sakura is a lie.

 

He's not about to move on either, if so we would've seen the process. Like in Sakura's case; her love life is going through so many stages right now it's not even funny. Naruto's is solid as a rock, because Kishimoto doesn't need to reconfirm it everyday (even though he still did in 631.. :smug:) This is a very good tumblr post about why Naruto's feelings did not wither after the confession.
 

2nd bolded, why is Naruto put in the same bose as Sakura? :wacko:

 

Hmm if either SS or NH or even both become cannon I'd just be. Wtf I was wrong huh? They were right? Ah well move on. I refuse to let myself affected by this crap.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 05:13 PM

Well actually, I was more under impression on you guys' take on Naruto's reaction. The reason why I explained it above is to understand the mixed emotion when it comes to that scene. We should be glad that Kishi took the sad moment of Naruto seeing Sakura hugging Sasuke in a serious manner. Because if it was done comedy, that's just insulting. That said my question is not about the pairing not NS being canon but the way the scene is handled to see SS happening and Naruto's reaction being the same as the description above. Yes, that includes the girly run.


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