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[Psychox]

None of the previous generations had a Hinata. But since Naruto has a Hinata his life will be less tragic. All you need is a Hinata!

 

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I can remember a meme with something relevant to that , how did it go again...

''In every generation there was a  friendzone , only Naruto had a Hinata .''

Can you guess who made it ?

Edited by Psychox, 20 August 2013 - 09:17 PM.

[T XD]

None of the previous generations had a Hinata. But since Naruto has a Hinata his life will be less tragic. All you need is a Hinata!

 

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Can't help having this thought that you made it sound like a commercial

 

" All you need is a Hinata. Get one now ! "

Edited by T XD, 20 August 2013 - 09:22 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

To this day, that was the funniest part so far. I haven't seen anything topping that in my opinion. You know, why I get the feeling Rin parallel would cause something to have a new bs. I can't wait.

[T XD]

To this day, that was the funniest part so far. I haven't seen anything topping that in my opinion. You know, why I get the feeling Rin parallel would cause something to have a new bs. I can't wait.

If you think about it, every time there's a parallel, moment, etc... There's a new bs

[Tsubaki]

Mhm, well , there is no need to , really , this person as well of the majority of the fanbase are hoping that SAkura still loves Sasuke and Naruto will evenutally realize that and will get with Hinata , buuuuuuuuuuuut we all know what's happening and what's gonna happen.

They still got Sasuke as a ''thread'' to NS even a nh fan admitted that.

@Tsubaki , is that from the anti ns tag on tumblr or DA?

 

It's from tumblr. lunaneko14's tumblr. It seems like it's a anti-Narusaku blog or something since there's a lot of anti-Narusaku posts there...

 

EDIT: Ninja'd by sushi 

Edited by Tsubaki, 20 August 2013 - 10:10 PM.

[六道仙人]

 

It's from tumblr. lunaneko14's tumblr. It seems like it's a anti-Narusaku blog or something since there's a lot of anti-Narusaku posts there...

 

good, so it's a legit blog

[LadyGT]

Ahah oh man that blog is amusing.

[arian_rad]

Ahah oh man that blog is amusing.

I don't enjoy her blog either, I need a lot of imagination to see those posts the way he/she does. I don't know why she/he is more against narusaku than actually enjoying her own ship.

[Dkey]

Well gee, I guess Naruto should decide on should he counter back at people who bashes someone else or not. Honestly, this is far enough. Look, say what you want, at least our parallel is actually legit and not digging deep. We probably have something digging too deep but the one that I know the most is definitely legitimate reasons.

 

Scratch all that, I don't need to defend, you know why? Minato, that's why. Minato made a clear statement that Sakura is similar to Kushina. That's a confirmed parallel, no ifs or buts. I don't see Naruto and/or Minato thinking that it reminds of Hinata. The fact in the story has a parallel confirmed is much, much, much, more value than assumptions. The fact is in: Sakura and Kushina are paralleled. The only problem I have right now is still hellbending on Minato/Hinata. Why? Why would it even matter? Kushina wants a similar her girlfriend for Naruto. Why do we need Minato to know if she's his girlfriend? Why do we need to know Kushina and Sakura are similar? Want the answer? It's simple: it's writing. Writing to tell you that the history repeats itself, and progressing history can be altered (such as not dying after birth).

 

You know, I don't go into debate thread, but without sounding cocky or having an huge ego, but honestly, I feel like I can dominate to the point they have no choice but keep going circle. But I don't have a time for that. One day, if I ever hit boiling point, I will. Until then, stay safe.

 

This is what happens when one decides to twist the facts to fit his story. Having 1 character compare 2 characters in order to establish a form of parallel is wrong but coming up with outlandish ideas is a parallel. This proves it. If it's obvious and a character mentions the resemblance it's a parallol. But if you want you can come up with your own parallel only and only if it's crazy enough.

You have Tobirama comparing Minato and Naruto and saying they are the same, you have the same character expressing that he felt like when he fought with his brother when Naruto used senjutsu on Obito. This aren't parallels but more confirmations that the parallel isn't just something the reader sees but also the characters. It's an acknowledgement of said parallel.

 

I'm bringing some arguments to debate:  please don't bash the opposite fandom, discuss the argument

 

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....... Okay! They're really serious about trying to compare Hinata with Minato in any way .. I guess they have given up trying to compare Hinata  with  Kushina. 

 

Pff

So the Hinata Minato parallel works in them not doing anything of  meaning and having Naruto come and rescue them.

 

I guess Hinata is a parallel to the entirety of Konoha, what remained of the whirlpool country, Nagato and Konan and the many others who have Naruto to thank for saving them from their failures.

To this day, that was the funniest part so far. I haven't seen anything topping that in my opinion. You know, why I get the feeling Rin parallel would cause something to have a new bs. I can't wait.

 

Rin and maybe just maybe a Mito parallel will cause a lot of bs. Rin because Obito/Naruto loves Rin and Mito because Hashirama/Naruto loves Mito and married her.

[Paptala]

@sushi

Doesnt change fact that the impact of his confession is gone, like i said his confession would be more of a proposal.

He doesnt need to make a confession to say what he sees on her, he can just do like Minato and compliment her forehead, anyway in the two cases, it wont be have any impact that gives a development because if it happens it would be a proposal.

Naruto wanted to confess but he's still close minded, look at Obito so it's not a 100% sure that he would confess to her.

 

In the end, his confession despite being something everyone expect including myself, isnt needed, is not something that will be impactfull, Sai confession Naruto's love for her already took that off, she thought about all the things he did to her and what he did to her life.

Naruto’s confession is definitely necessary and will definitely have an impact.

 

The point isn’t whether Sakura knows that Naruto loves her or not - Sai’s conversation with Sakura was never meant to be Naruto’s confession by proxy – how could it be when all it focused on was negatives?  Sai told her that Naruto loves her in order to make her see how her actions (and inaction) had a detrimental effect on him.  Sakura also realized at this time that she had broken Naruto’s heart when she asked him to bring back Sasuke, just as surely as Sasuke had broken hers when he left.  Hence, the gross sobbing on Sakura’s part in response.

 

Neither that conversation with Sai, nor the events at the summit, did anything to address Sakura’s feelings of inadequacy when it comes to how she perceives her own treatment of Naruto:

 

 

In fact, it only added to it and made it worse:

 

 

These two thoughts are definitely untrue –Sakura can’t see how much of a positive impact she has had on Naruto’s life, how much she means to Naruto.

 

I actually think Sakura might even be in doubt that Naruto actually still loves her after his reaction to her fake confession at the summit – why else would she say to him, “If you don’t like me anymore, then just say so!”.  This could also be why she looked so hurt after Naruto told her he hated people who lie to themselves.  It took courage for Sakura to put herself out like that to Naruto, whether or not she was being honest with herself, and I think her self confidence in regards to her romantic appeal took a significant hit.

 

So for Naruto to tell her directly that he loves her, that he values her over others, how much she means to him and how much she’s helped him would have a huge impact on Sakura’s character, imo.  She would gain a great deal of self-confidence, worth, and happiness as well from knowing that she was able to help Naruto and be there for him, that she is loved and cherished and accepted 100% for just who she is.  Instead of a negative impact on Sakura, it would serve to make her happier, completely content in herself and who she is.

 

It would also impact Naruto’s character, for him to be able to open up and tell Sakura that he loves her would be a significant weight off of his chest.  Even if the other person knows, it feels amazing to finally let things out that you have kept bottled up for years.

 

A simple forehead kiss/compliment alone would not accomplish all of the above, not even by half - at least, in my opinion.

 

It's funny that she didn't get asked about Naruto yet. Kishi is keeping that hidden for a while. I don't know but I think it's clear as day that we shouldn't worry about anything but enjoy the ride.

I think Kishi is keeping it hidden much in the same vein he keeps cutting off Sakura anytime her feelings for Naruto are actually brought up.  There's just no sense in continuously cutting off that train of thought/conversation unless Kishimoto was intentionally building up to a reveal later on - and seriously, does anyone think the reveal is going to be that Sakura thinks of Naruto as her bestest most platonic friend ever?

 

I'm bringing some arguments to debate:  please don't bash the opposite fandom, discuss the argument

 

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....... Okay! They're really serious about trying to compare Hinata with Minato in any way .. I guess they have given up trying to compare Hinata  with  Kushina. 

1.  A reader can point out as many superficial similarities as they can find; it does not make a bit of difference until Kishimoto himself actually confirms there is supposed to be a similiarity - in which case, a parallel can actually be confirmed.  Hinata has never been compared to Minato in the manga ever - no one has said or thought that she reminds them of Minato, nor has she ever been drawn with Minato's image layed on top of or behind her.

 

2.  The Hinata = Minato parallel is irrelevant to begin with, because the foreshadowing was in regards to a girl like Kushina, not like a girl like Minato.

 

3.  I guess Kakashi is a parallel to Minato as well, since Obito similarly mentally attacked Kakashi as well, and Naruto defended him just as aggresively.  KakaNaru for the win! 

 

4.  Because bumping fists is totally the same as hand holding!  KillerBee parallels Minato too!  KillerBee x Naruto for the win!    Though the level of romantic intent on Naruto's part is the same in all three scenes, so I guess it does work.

 

In all honesty, Naruto and Hinata's relationship most strongly reminds me of Naruto and Gaara's - Naruto saved both of them from going down the wrong path, he held both of their hands (held/shook, same difference), he smiled at both of them, he wanted to save/protect both of them, and he's cried over both.  Not to mention Naruto and Gaara also got a third party comment in the war ("You two make a good pair") and Gaara has been equally as protective of Naruto in this war as Hinata as.  Only Naruto and Gaara's relationship has even more physical contact than Naruto and Hinata's, what with the placing hands on each other's shoulders as well.  Not to mention, Naruto actually blushed when Gaara first tried to shake Naruto's hand.
 

Scratch all that, I don't need to defend, you know why? Minato, that's why. Minato made a clear statement that Sakura is similar to Kushina. That's a confirmed parallel, no ifs or buts. I don't see Naruto and/or Minato thinking that it reminds of Hinata. The fact in the story has a parallel confirmed is much, much, much, more value than assumptions. The fact is in: Sakura and Kushina are paralleled. The only problem I have right now is still hellbending on Minato/Hinata. Why? Why would it even matter? Kushina wants a similar her girlfriend for Naruto. Why do we need Minato to know if she's his girlfriend? Why do we need to know Kushina and Sakura are similar? Want the answer? It's simple: it's writing. Writing to tell you that the history repeats itself, and progressing history can be altered (such as not dying after birth).

This - a thousand times this!

Edited by Paptala, 21 August 2013 - 12:45 AM.

[rocci]

I will say that nh has advantage with Hinata doesn't has any parallel in the story, which mean nh will make the different.

But when I read chapter one and see how kishi use iruka parallel naruto life to drive the plot, than I believe that kishi parallel matter most.

@paptala
Wow what a post, good job paptala

Edited by rocci, 21 August 2013 - 01:12 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Naruto’s confession is definitely necessary and will definitely have an impact.

 

The point isn’t whether Sakura knows that Naruto loves her or not - Sai’s conversation with Sakura was never meant to be Naruto’s confession by proxy – how could it be when all it focused on was negatives?  Sai told her that Naruto loves her in order to make her see how her actions (and inaction) had a detrimental effect on him.  Sakura also realized at this time that she had broken Naruto’s heart when she asked him to bring back Sasuke, just as surely as Sasuke had broken hers when he left.  Hence, the gross sobbing on Sakura’s part in response.

 

Neither that conversation with Sai, nor the events at the summit, did anything to address Sakura’s feelings of inadequacy when it comes to how she perceives her own treatment of Naruto:

 

 

 

 

In fact, it only added to it and made it worse:

 

 

 

These two thoughts are definitely untrue –Sakura can’t see how much of a positive impact she has had on Naruto’s life, how much she means to Naruto.

 

I actually think Sakura might even be in doubt that Naruto actually still loves her after his reaction to her fake confession at the summit – why else would she say to him, “If you don’t like me anymore, then just say so!”.  This could also be why she looked so hurt after Naruto told her he hated people who lie to themselves.  It took courage for Sakura to put herself out like that to Naruto, whether or not she was being honest with herself, and I think her self confidence in regards to her romantic appeal took a significant hit.

 

So for Naruto to tell her directly that he loves her, that he values her over others, how much she means to him and how much she’s helped him would have a huge impact on Sakura’s character, imo.  She would gain a great deal of self-confidence, worth, and happiness as well from knowing that she was able to help Naruto and be there for him, that she is loved and cherished and accepted 100% for just who she is.  Instead of a negative impact on Sakura, it would serve to make her happier, completely content in herself and who she is.

 

It would also impact Naruto’s character, for him to be able to open up and tell Sakura that he loves her would be a significant weight off of his chest.  Even if the other person knows, it feels amazing to finally let things out that you have kept bottled up for years.

 

A simple forehead kiss/compliment alone would not accomplish all of the above, not even by half - at least, in my opinion.

 

I think Kishi is keeping it hidden much in the same vein he keeps cutting off Sakura anytime her feelings for Naruto are actually brought up.  There's just no sense in continuously cutting off that train of thought/conversation unless Kishimoto was intentionally building up to a reveal later on - and seriously, does anyone think the reveal is going to be that Sakura thinks of Naruto as her bestest most platonic friend ever?

 

That would be the impact of his confession, this panel showed how she saw all of i form Naruto's perspective.

She did a lot of pain to him and the answer to his confession would be her saying i love you without being genuine.

Sai telling Sakura was never meant to be negative, the problem is that Sakura had low views about herself, It doesnt need a confession from Naruto to change that, and also due to her recent development i dont think she sees herself as a weak girl who cant do anything for Naruto.

She grow in confidence during the war arc, and healed him showing confidence on doing something for him also the fact that she said Naruto acknowledged everyone including her on this arc, Naruto acknowledged her from the bottom of his heart and it touched her as shown on her speech.

that's why i said his confession is not needed, Minato didnt needed a confession to change Kushina, becuase Naruto is already changing Sakura, on this war arc is getting obvious, Sakura's speech, when she jumped in and confronted Naruto, when she grow in confidence and healed him, when she showed maturity.

 

Bolded, i'm not going to keep on the confession, she lied there, and when she shouted that, the whole confession became meaningless (if lying or not), the only things i can take from there is that she was willing to have a romance with Naruto which is an huge development and her acknowledging Naruto's effort on her from a lover perspective but Naruto knew she didnt loved him, and furthermore it proved to be right.

 

To finish i dont like discussing if Naruto will confess or not, because it's just speculation, for me he never intended to confess on the first place, becuase he is close minded about Sakura's feelings and it's not his fault.

I dont believe in it for two things, the impact of it is gone and way more importantly Naruto's close minded approach ( he believes that Sasuke is the only one who makes Sakura happy).

You simply doesnt expect from someome to confess to a girl when you firmly believe she loves another guy.
It doesnt make sense, and there's even a parallel supporting that.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 21 August 2013 - 01:46 AM.

[Inferno180]

I'm bringing some arguments to debate:  please don't bash the opposite fandom, discuss the argument

 

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....... Okay! They're really serious about trying to compare Hinata with Minato in any way .. I guess they have given up trying to compare Hinata  with  Kushina. 

 

Unbelievable, just god, every little thing, there are people who dig so deep, they practically lost sight of what they were even looking for.

 

Geez, at this point I feel that shippers just miss the point completely, they dig so deep and think there is meaning when its not. Just come on, we have evidence of Sakura-Kushina when she tells Naruto about her past and 631. Just now, they compare Hinata to Minato because they were talked down upon? This is supposed to be a similarity? So I guess Neji was a villain rather then just a jerk.

 

My god, arguments like that, are some fans so desperate because of 631? Are they that threatened by it? Its so simple, Sakura is the only girl said to be like Kushina so far yet they drag this stuff to insane proportions. The Hinata-ego really has gone over inflated and will be in for one monster burst once Naruto and Sakura get their high development. Kishi is really supposed to be a sneaky dog because of those panels? Are some fans just gone completely off the deep end now? I mean there was merit with 615 alone to try and reason but come on, now fist bumping with his dad is supposed to be a linked parallel?

 

They gave us the crap saying 'You cannot count the rescue scenes of Naruto and Sakura to Minato and Kushina, kishi designed it like that to save time, it means nothing." Yet you get a legion of NH fans following that insane claim of Hinata and Minato being alike?

 

The NH fanbase really is scattered right now all thanks to 631, there are those who don't follow the Kushina stuff anymore and others who still try to define it in a different way. All I can say is, when 635 builds up more, If Sakura starts displaying more closeness to Naruto, what will they say if she starts being concerned for Naruto in the time Sasuke starts to do bad stuff? Seriously if 631 just for a Sakura=Kushina parallel is too hard for them to accept, if its so hard to accept the fact that Minato and Hinata are nothing alike, then well if NS goes canon they will go ballistic over this stuff again like in 631.

[rocci]

@darkrest
You mean NS already canon? Hmm no wonder naruto tell his father that she's her girlfriend(for more or less).

[Dkey]

 
Unbelievable, just god, every little thing, there are people who dig so deep, they practically lost sight of what they were even looking for.
 
Geez, at this point I feel that shippers just miss the point completely, they dig so deep and think there is meaning when its not. Just come on, we have evidence of Sakura-Kushina when she tells Naruto about her past and 631. Just now, they compare Hinata to Minato because they were talked down upon? This is supposed to be a similarity? So I guess Neji was a villain rather then just a jerk.
 
My god, arguments like that, are some fans so desperate because of 631? Are they that threatened by it? Its so simple, Sakura is the only girl said to be like Kushina so far yet they drag this stuff to insane proportions. The Hinata-ego really has gone over inflated and will be in for one monster burst once Naruto and Sakura get their high development. Kishi is really supposed to be a sneaky dog because of those panels? Are some fans just gone completely off the deep end now? I mean there was merit with 615 alone to try and reason but come on, now fist bumping with his dad is supposed to be a linked parallel?
 
They gave us the crap saying 'You cannot count the rescue scenes of Naruto and Sakura to Minato and Kushina, kishi designed it like that to save time, it means nothing." Yet you get a legion of NH fans following that insane claim of Hinata and Minato being alike?
 
The NH fanbase really is scattered right now all thanks to 631, there are those who don't follow the Kushina stuff anymore and others who still try to define it in a different way. All I can say is, when 635 builds up more, If Sakura starts displaying more closeness to Naruto, what will they say if she starts being concerned for Naruto in the time Sasuke starts to do bad stuff? Seriously if 631 just for a Sakura=Kushina parallel is too hard for them to accept, if its so hard to accept the fact that Minato and Hinata are nothing alike, then well if NS goes canon they will go ballistic over this stuff again like in 631.

What will they do when Naruto will admit he loves Sakura.
What will they do if Obito attacks Sakura and Hinata is ignored
What will they do when Sakura will dtop her feelings for Sasuke
What will they when Hinatacdecides to not pursue Naruto romanticaly

[Psychox]

 

It's from tumblr. lunaneko14's tumblr. It seems like it's a anti-Narusaku blog or something since there's a lot of anti-Narusaku posts there...

 

EDIT: Ninja'd by sushi 

I'll be sure to go and read of some of his/hers ''arguments'' just to lighten up my day .

 

What will they do when Naruto will admit he loves Sakura.
What will they do if Obito attacks Sakura and Hinata is ignored
What will they do when Sakura will dtop her feelings for Sasuke
What will they when Hinatacdecides to not pursue Naruto romanticaly

-He kind of did , that's why they downplay his feelings to a simple crush or now he loves hinata too or simply deny them , because its not easy to accept what has been a manga facts since freaking chapter 3 .

-Probably some if not all are gonna take a rope and a chair ,the rest is up to imagination .   
-I guess they will go belligerent or make a trip to Japan to see how Kishi is doing .
-Denial or blame us as usual.
 

Edited by Psychox, 21 August 2013 - 06:45 AM.

[bthug]

No guys a new light has been shed on me we're totally wrong.... its clearly NS NH.

 

I mean how could u not see it... for instance Hinata who is clearly a main character spends so much time with Naruto throughout the entire story and she clearly loves him for him and not to mention Naruto loves her didnt he say it like in idk chapter 1 and that time with Sai (cant think of the chapter of the top of my head) Not to mention that Tsuande, Jiriya, Sai, Yamato, and oh MINATO! All have stated or hinted at something growing between Naruto and Sakura, I mean Hinata. Minato his father compared his WIFE! Naruto's mother to Hinata its sooooo OBV ppl like omg! Oh and Hinata is so much like Minato the yellow haired hokage and hero of the leaf. Besides Naruto's mom who BTW is Purple haired like Hinata even told him not to pick a weird one. Didnt everyone including Naruto call Hinata Sakura weird. Lastly in a story that's built on parallels amongst generations each surpassing the prior cant u see the paraells between the romances....Tsuande Jiriya, Rin Obito, Minato Kushina....I mean come on guys its like omg

 

Jeez guys its going to be Nh we have nothing to worry about.

[Hanabi]

^scarcasm overload bahaha

[Psychox]

No guys a new light has been shed on me we're totally wrong.... its clearly NS NH.

 

I mean how could u not see it... for instance Hinata who is clearly a main character spends so much time with Naruto throughout the entire story and she clearly loves him for him and not to mention Naruto loves her didnt he say it like in idk chapter 1 and that time with Sai (cant think of the chapter of the top of my head) Not to mention that Tsuande, Jiriya, Sai, Yamato, and oh MINATO! All have stated or hinted at something growing between Naruto and Sakura, I mean Hinata. Minato his father compared his WIFE! Naruto's mother to Hinata its sooooo OBV ppl like omg! Oh and Hinata is so much like Minato the yellow haired hokage and hero of the leaf. Besides Naruto's mom who BTW is Purple haired like Hinata even told him not to pick a weird one. Didnt everyone including Naruto call Hinata Sakura weird. Lastly in a story that's built on parallels amongst generations each surpassing the prior cant u see the paraells between the romances....Tsuande Jiriya, Rin Obito, Minato Kushina....I mean come on guys its like omg

 

Jeez guys its going to be Nh we have nothing to worry about.

Sarcasm no justu .   

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

@darkrest
You mean NS already canon? Hmm no wonder naruto tell his father that she's her girlfriend(for more or less).

I mean she's getting the development that a confession from Naruto would give.
Naruto changed her on this war arc, there's her insecurity but he can say this without confessing.
Sakura has confidence in herself since Naruto acknowledged her from the bottom of his heart with the kyuubi thing, and ended up when she confronted him.

Her development on that revelation about Naruto's feelings for her is the same when Kakashi told Rin about Obito's feelings, they both cried, and most important both of those scenes are meant for them to get over their past loves, i mean there's no other purpose on Sai's revelation and Kakashi other than serving as an start for moving on.