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[Zatheko]

Why Why Why Why sasuke cant reject sakura again????
Look at kakashi gaiden even with kakashi not even caring for her and more she still said "I love you to kakashi" just to get rejected.
i did not said that i want this to happen i'm talking about possibilities, sasuke can reject sakura, different from what SS claims that when sasuke is redeemed 100% ss happen which is a false statement.
Moreover why she would reject him, this is absurd this is not fanfiction sasuke does not even have feelings for sakura why he would say "i love you to sakura".

THis is the biggest mistake i see about the SS claims is that SS depends on Sakura if SS depends only on Sakura it already should be canon since chapter 3 on part 1.

Well for one thing, if sakura only chooses naruto because of a sasuke rejection, then it will seem like she is only seeing naruto as second best, like a silver trophy while sasuke is the gold. It would work in a sense of her and naruto being together but it would leave a very bad impression of her doing it for all the wrong reasons. She needs to chose naruto over sasuke on her own.

[Chatte]

Just wonder where you got that sig XD lol

DeviantArt.

LadyGt is making some suuuper NS things

It's on the first page of #442, actually. And in the published English version Sakura says, "Hinata, you really love Naruto, don't you..." So yes, Sakura definitely knows how Hinata feels.

"Sad" is certainly one word that could describe Sakura's expression, but I'm not sure that's entirely it. There's a bit of disappointment too, and a lot of inner reflection. Every time I see that panel of Sakura's face while she's healing Hinata, I get the sense that Sakura feels confused by her reaction to the realization as well. Maybe feels a little left out. Unnerved. Sort of... subtly threatened. All of the above swirled together.

It's perfectly drawn by Kishimoto to show us how complicated Sakura's feelings are for Naruto, and how she is confused by the nature of them. That's not going to last forever.

Ah, you said it better than I could have ever done it.

Edited by Chatte, 13 December 2012 - 12:43 AM.

[luffyq1]

It's just amazing how they need to pick onto every detail just so that they push NS out of the way.

NH/SS/NS all do that. No fandom is better than the other.

[Don-kun]

Why Why Why Why sasuke cant reject sakura again????
Look at kakashi gaiden even with kakashi not even caring for her and more she still said "I love you to kakashi" just to get rejected.
i did not said that i want this to happen i'm talking about possibilities, sasuke can reject sakura, different from what SS claims that when sasuke is redeemed 100% ss happen which is a false statement.
Moreover why she would reject him, this is absurd this is not fanfiction sasuke does not even have feelings for sakura why he would say "i love you to sakura".

THis is the biggest mistake i see about the SS claims is that SS depends on Sakura if SS depends only on Sakura it already should be canon since chapter 3 on part 1.

I think you made an Idea in your head and you refuse to let it go, but it's obvious that you are not thinking about what you're saying.

1- Naruto redeem Sasuke, by a chance he returns to the villages just an assumption, Sakura becomes a fan girl and try to hook up with him, but he reject her. Do you honestly believe that Naruto deserves a Sakura running back to him because her fantasy Sasuke did not accept her feelings?

2- Naruto redeem Sasuke he becomes good again after talking with Sakura again he feels terrible sorry for the things he made her went through so he try to makes it up to her something she accept, but at the same time she make it clear that she does not want to pursue a relationship with him again, since their is someone else she loves.

All of this is assuming that Naruto still loves her until the end, but he places her happiness above his own something she is really grateful for, leading her to acknowledge that Naruto was always the man of her dream and her true happiness, the one and only person who really cares about her and her happiness.

Would this scenario be a lot better that haven Naruto be her 2nd choice because things didn't work out with her and Sasuke?
This will also show how much Sakura has mature.

Edited by Don-kun, 13 December 2012 - 12:48 AM.

[Chatte]

NH/SS/NS all do that. No fandom is better than the other.

Here I have to disagree.
I've been coming into contact with NH and now that I am in contact with NS I can tell you by miles how different the fandoms are.
NH really pics onto every detail.
There's a line to details that you need to draw.
But NH fans don't know it, they really pick on every single aspect.
If you're telling me that Hinata is similar to Kushina or Minato than I don't know what to say.

[Zatheko]

Here I have to disagree.
I've been coming into contact with NH and now that I am in contact with NS I can tell you by miles how different the fandoms are.
NH really pics onto every detail.
There's a line to details that you need to draw.
But NH fans don't know it, they really pick on every single aspect.
If you're telling me that Hinata is similar to Kushina or Minato than I don't know what to say.

Oh god this^ so much of this^

I can't tell you how many times I've come across NH fans that like to say this, "hinata is more similar to kushina and minato than anyone else" I just don't see it at all.

[swagosaurus]

I actually can't understand that either.

It's clear Kushina is a parallel to Sakura; who else hits him like that? Certainly not Hinata; the girl hasn't even touched him...once.

You can argue that Kushina is more similar to Naruto, but that's kind of redundant. Naruto and Sakura, ever since part 1, have shown to have some of the same characteristics.

Edited by swagosaurus, 13 December 2012 - 01:02 AM.

[Chucky-kun]

according to previous posts, i recall hinata being paralleled to minato by NH fans. Facepalms all da way.

[Weltall]

I don't think people should really bring up the "bad message" argument. It's not really an argument because it provides no proof or validity.

SS can't happen until Sasuke somehow becomes unpsycho and MOST IMPORTANTLY returns Sakura's feelings. SS can't happen if one side doesn't give a hoot about the other. It's not even that he doesn't love her, he doesn't CARE. If SS makes it past that hardcore fact that Sakura's feelings are completely and utterly one sided, then SS can happen.

Yes, Sakura getting with her abuser is a bad message, but that doesn't mean it won't happen. There has been plenty of manga where the main character ends up with the jerk rather than the nice guy. Naruto doesn't appear to be going in that direction at all, but whether it is a bad message or not has little to do with the possibility of it happening.

Use real facts rather than "It will bring a bad message".
- Parallels are facts in Naruto, Kishi purposely draws them between his characters, it's not made up by fan interpretation.
- Parallels to other mangas are less valid, but still more valid than vague "Bad message" arguments.
- The most important arguments are:
+ Naruto loves Sakura
+ Sasuke does not care about Sakura
+ Redemption =/= instant love story or forgiveness for past crimes
+ Sakura is still loves Sasuke but is confused about her feelings for Naruto.

Naruto's quest to save Sasuke is tied to the whole "end the cycle of hatred", understanding each other and Sasuke being a victim of the ninja system. The message it is supposed to convey is positive altough the message has been lost a long time thanks to Kishi's writing. It is nonetheless supposed to be seen as positive, there's no point of comparison with Sakura's love with Sasuke which has always been depicted as negative.
Just saying.

[Chatte]

I actually can't understand that either.

It's clear Kushina is a parallel to Sakura; who else hits him like that? Certainly not Hinata; the girl hasn't even touched him...once.

You can argue that Kushina is more similar to Naruto, but that's kind of redundant. Naruto and Sakura, ever since part 1, have shown to have some of the same characteristics.

Here is an example from a NaruHina fan

Hinata similarities with Kushina:

Kushina loved none except Minato, while Hinata too loves Naruto alone
Kushina cld cook while while Hina seems to be able to cook too,
Kshina has long hair so does Hinata
Kushina was hardly weepy, Hina seems to cry a lot less too.
Kushina is practically fearless while Hina too is not afraid to face death or defeat.
Kushina and Hinata both are fighters.
Kushina is from a famous clan while so is Hinata
Kushina never hit Minato so did Hinata
Kushina is not flat chested neither is Hinata
Kushina was changed by Minato, while Naruto too affected Hinata's life.
Kushina is not jealous or quarrelsome, so is Hinata
Kushina has verbal problems while Hinata too cant talk properly.

Talking about picking on every detail... :|

And afterwards when I brought her evidence, but on another post, all she could say to me was "Chatte, all you say is Sakura this, Sakura that, understand that she doesn't love Naruto, NaruSaku is never going to hapen!!!!!"

NaruHina and NaruSaku fandoms alike?

Hell no!

[luffyq1]

Here I have to disagree.
I've been coming into contact with NH and now that I am in contact with NS I can tell you by miles how different the fandoms are.
NH really pics onto every detail.
There's a line to details that you need to draw.
But NH fans don't know it, they really pick on every single aspect.
If you're telling me that Hinata is similar to Kushina or Minato than I don't know what to say.

That's good to know about your contacts and the details you present. But each fandom has a stubborn VJ attitude (look him up if you don't know) in it. Why do you think we have pairing wars? For that reason alone neither fandom is better than the other. Tumblr, NF, Deviantart and many others are just disgusting sites for NH/NS/SS fandom to argue till their hands fall off.

[swagosaurus]

That's good to know about your contacts and the details you present. But each fandom has a stubborn VJ attitude (look him up if you don't know) in it. Why do you think we have pairing wars? For that reason alone neither fandom is better than the other. Tumblr, NF, Deviantart and many others are just disgusting sites for NH/NS/SS fandom to argue till their hands fall off.

I have to agree. That's why I stick mostly to this site and the FC on NF. VJ....good lord, that guy makes me laugh.

[Chatte]

That's good to know about your contacts and the details you present. But each fandom has a stubborn VJ attitude (look him up if you don't know) in it. Why do you think we have pairing wars? For that reason alone neither fandom is better than the other. Tumblr, NF, Deviantart and many others are just disgusting sites for NH/NS/SS fandom to argue till their hands fall off.

I have to tell you how I saw the whole pairing wars.

NS of course, has like 10% of crazy fans. Those who are very similar to NH fans.
NH 90% out of their mind, 10% who are OK, know that the NS fans are right and the balance incline towards them, however, they still ship it.
SS are those who are still in the past.

Now, let me tell you how the fandom was. This is solely on my experience.

NS enjoyed their time, they didn't once went against other fandoms. But Sakura haters always existed. So that's how NH fandom was formed. Mainly, after Pein thing. Before that, the so-called NH fans were calling Hinata a stalker. And I saw opinions like "I don't care about Hinata as long as she ends with Naruto". And they call themselves fans? They just needed a tool to hate more on Sakura. Anyways...

Seeing that NS has development and it grows on them, they started using the SS fandom. Acting like NS fans, making all those demotivators about how it's not going to happen etc. SS seeing this, started to hit in NS fandom.
NH already was doing it.

And NS fandom was just caught in the middle, all because the hate towards Sakura.

But trust me, 90% of the NH fandom are horrendous! And I am not afraid and not even sorry to say it.
They make me puke with their behavior.

Sorry to say it, sounds tough, but it's the truth.

Thanks God I saw that 10% that are actually ok, they don't care and just enjoy their OTP..

And VJ, sorry, don't know who it is ^^

Edited by Chatte, 13 December 2012 - 01:24 AM.

[luffyq1]

I have to agree. That's why I stick mostly to this site and the FC on NF. VJ....good lord, that guy makes me laugh.

I always tend to look for VJ's comments to get a good laugh. He always makes my day.

[swagosaurus]

I always tend to look for VJ's comments to get a good laugh. He always makes my day.

I actually can't tell if he's serious or not. Some of his posts are so outrageously biased I can't even comprehend it.

I agree with Chatte, though; we are one of the less-crazy fandoms. I know we have our crazies (and oh god, we do), but not compared to other ships. Plus, we have to deal with much more kitten in pairing debates; NH/SS/SN supporters, Sakura haters, Anti-Big-3 supporters, etc. It's rough.

But I will go down with this ship.

Edited by swagosaurus, 13 December 2012 - 01:32 AM.

[luffyq1]

I actually can't tell if he's serious or not. Some of his posts are so outrageously biased I can't even comprehend it.

I literally couldn't stop laughing because he's one of the many NH fans that still use Sakura hitting Naruto as an argument. Gotta love VJ.

[swagosaurus]

I literally couldn't stop laughing because he's one of the many NH fans that still use Sakura hitting Naruto as an argument. Gotta love VJ.

That argument is my favorite. Somehow, there's still the mentality that Sakura is an absolute b*tch to Naruto, when in reality, she's probably the one who's tried to do the most for him, canon-wise (besides Iruka, of course.)

[Don-kun]

I have to tell you how I saw the whole pairing wars.

NS of course, has like 10% of crazy fans. Those who are very similar to NH fans.
NH 90% out of their mind, 10% who are OK, know that the NS fans are right and the balance incline towards them, however, they still ship it.
SS are those who are still in the past.

Now, let me tell you how the fandom was. This is solely on my experience.

NS enjoyed their time, they didn't once went against other fandoms. But Sakura haters always existed. So that's how NH fandom was formed. Mainly, after Pein thing. Before that, the so-called NH fans were calling Hinata a stalker. And I saw opinions like "I don't care about Hinata as long as she ends with Naruto". And they call themselves fans? They just needed a tool to hate more on Sakura. Anyways...

Seeing that NS has development and it grows on them, they started using the SS fandom. Acting like NS fans, making all those demotivators about how it's not going to happen etc. SS seeing this, started to hit in NS fandom.
NH already was doing it.

And NS fandom was just caught in the middle, all because the hate towards Sakura.

But trust me, 90% of the NH fandom are horrendous! And I am not afraid and not even sorry to say it.
They make me puke with their behavior.

Sorry to say it, sounds tough, but it's the truth.

Thanks God I saw that 10% that are actually ok, they don't care and just enjoy their OTP..

And VJ, sorry, don't know who it is ^^

VJ is one of the worse's shipper I ever known, just type VJ NaruHina on YouTube and you will know who the guy is, but I leave it here since it's against the rules to tall about bad about members from another forum or FC.

[Gravenimage]

I literally couldn't stop laughing because he's one of the many NH fans that still use Sakura hitting Naruto as an argument. Gotta love VJ.

Lol, I see VJ hasn't change since the last time I had a debate with him, oh well.

[Chatte]

VJ is one of the worse's shipper I ever known, just type VJ NaruHina on YouTube and you will know who the guy is, but I leave it here since it's against the rules to tall about bad about members from another forum or FC.

Oh, thanks for the tip!