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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

He still wants to confess , how will that change anything? We saw her reaction when she heard it from Sai, what will her reaction be when the words come out of Naruto's mouth? Not saying that that will be development , but some people are very afraid of that fact, so why shouldn't we think about it?

2- We already debated on that , there was some truth in it , that she loved him back then with all her heart , no. That she still loved Sasuke back then , yes.
Bolded , agreed .

Actually he did ''complimented'' her talent , it happened before entering the first exam ,but then again he was the one who made her feel down on herself and  so it kind of negates the whole ''good''  about it.
I don't know why he did it actually he saw that she was depressed , so maybe he did it to boost her confidence or rather to get her in shape , because otherwise she would've been an obstacle.

He saved her from falling to her doom when Gaara lost grip on his sand , SS fandom use that as prove of his care and ''love'' , but after that, well he threads her like crap , so i guess that one also gets negated .

The other stuff i agree, those feelings are ass pulled just like Ino's for Sasuke , but what i am saying is that we shouldn't overlook it , because then some will say ''You Are ignoring her feelings for Sasuke''!.   I'm just saying we should take them into consideration , i know there is nothing special about it , but still ..
 


 

My point is that nothing of this stuff played a role on her love, when she was about to kill him, her only "best memories" was off her as a kid "smiling" at him and when they were on the team 7 again smiling at him, those moments of "forehead compliment, genjutsu compliment, saves or protection" were not took in consideration.
So if her best memories of it was off her smiling at him showing infatuation for someome who doesnt care about her(drawing Sasuke with a cold face), that was SS, that was how Kishi demonstrated her "love", something selfish and unheathy.

 

@sushi

Doesnt change fact that the impact of his confession is gone, like i said his confession would be more of a proposal.

He doesnt need to make a confession to say what he sees on her, he can just do like Minato and compliment her forehead, anyway in the two cases, it wont be have any impact that gives a development because if it happens it would be a proposal.

Naruto wanted to confess but he's still close minded, look at Obito so it's not a 100% sure that he would confess to her.

 

In the end, his confession despite being something everyone expect including myself, isnt needed, is not something that will be impactfull, Sai confession Naruto's love for her already took that off, she thought about all the things he did to her and what he did to her life.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 20 August 2013 - 05:42 PM.

[Superman333]

Break time.

 

The problem right now is that Sakura is in distrust mode for Sasuke, which Sasuke got nothing to fix since he's not doing that. Therefore, SS is in red zone. The other problem is that this arc is clearly aiming for Naruto's glory day, rather making both of them, so pretty much the one to get all the glory will be Naruto and only Naruto. Unless Sasuke's birthday is on the same day for whatever reason. Lol. But jokes aside, the point is this is all about Naruto and I'm glad Kishi is doing this route, because regardless many of you said he favors more to Sasuke, I disagree. I can go on why but really this arc tells you the direction it has been portraying for a long time.

 

That all said the reason I'm addressing this is because if this is all about Naruto, just think the ending of the arc will reward him. Pain Arc clearly shows not only showing mercy to the one who you wanted to kill brings surprises (revival), but how much Naruto is rewarded in the end by his people. Sakura hugging Naruto in front of the village was not needed but it did because this is what Naruto earned and soon it will grow deeper. Why else the atmosphere felt like the moment of a woman waiting for a man to return from the war. I have seen it a dozen of times and this one caught on. After all, the next moment after the hug was the celebration, showing you that love part is always last before the celebration sendoff. It happened in How to Train Your Dragon, which happened to be Kishi's favorite movie. I wonder why.

 

Now the last part I want to discuss is the possibility difference between Naruto and Sasuke's death. I was recapping in my head during the train ride, and honestly, I feel that losing Naruto will be more effective than losing Sasuke. I think the biggest evidence is no doubt the KN4 incident. When you think about it, Naruto was on verge of killing himself by using Kyuubi, which shows in the aftermath. I think the fact her line, "I'll save Sasuke for you. So please,...." says it all because I get the feeling that's how Yamato reached to the conclusion that she loves him deeply. Not only she took a huge risk on getting near, but the fact she grasped her heart as Kabuto described on how Naruto will end killing himself just to save Sasuke. Also, another evidence is when Naruto didn't get mad at Sai scene. Ok, Sakura said that don't talk bad stuff on Sasuke, but we all assumed it was something about Team 7 or even her love. True on the first one, but that all changes when Naruto actually didn't thrash back at Sai. Sakura didn't hit him because of Naruto. Why? Shouldn't she still hit him because of her as in "That's nice that Naruto didn't hit you, but yeah, you hurt me so pow!" Also, if you go back, when you think about it, Sakura is making herself the person who can be pissed off easily that you don't want to be friend with type of person, instead of Naruto because Naruto was really pissed off in every moment that Sai bashed. So she didn't hit him because of  what Naruto said. True, but it's your choice, just hit him. Not only that, but why Naruto stopped you. That's why Sai caught on that Sakura has a hidden feeling with Naruto that she's not aware of. When a person followed indirectly or directly from another person just to stop your grudge, then there is something hidden. To be honest, I can actually go over this, but it will be long and you should ask me if you want to read it.

 

Now, back to the topic on who will be most effective. Honestly, I see Sasuke's death making her sad as much as Naruto sad for Jiraiya's death. However, I see Naruto's death making her sad as much as Obito sad for Rin's death. No, she won't go bad, but she may become a shell of her self. You may be thinking, "Well, that would be bad." Not necessarily, because it only backs up the idea that her feelings for the guy who died is powerful that death can ruin her. No, she won't be suicidal. Yes, she can move on, but it will be very hard and when it comes to fictional writing, it won't be forever. The point is to address the power of that person's feeling. I won't spoil, but I know where is it from. Examples:

 

1) The heroine loves the hero in the end, but the hero did something suicidal and she cried hard. 3 months later, she doesn't talk to her boss, rather very fixated on getting stronger, which her first take was to be more human, living normal. Luckily, the hero returns and they have happily ever after.

 

2) The hero went to do a risky task as he told the heroine he will be ok. He never returns. The heroine is all sad and loses focus. That is until some telepathy stuff (can't say) happens and she was confirmed that he's alive. They talked and later, she fought a strong enemy and won. When they physically reunited, well, it's all tenderness. No, it didn't happen in the end.

 

3) The hero is on the verge to be in great danger of possible execution for something he was being used. The heroine tried so hard as her old mentor tried to calm her but she was so sad because he was gone and possible that he could end up dead. The mentor realized that she is in love with him. Sounds like Yamato.

 

So yeah, I can go on, but if you want a clear explanation, feel free to ask. Sorry for the LAP. 

can you explain the whole Sai thing better please I'm confused about why Sakura hit Sai because of Naruto ... can you explain that for me please .?

[TouKen4Life3g]

can you explain the whole Sai thing better please I'm confused about why Sakura hit Sai because of Naruto ... can you explain that for me please .?

Sure. Just not right now. I am about to eat lunch. Exactly what is it you got confused on?

[Superman333]

Sure. Just not right now. I am about to eat lunch. Exactly what is it you got confused on?

you said Sakura didn't hit Sai because of Sasuke she did it because of Naruto . Then you started explaining why but I don't clearly understand it . 

[Psychox]

My point is that no off this stuff played a role on her love, when she was about to kill him, her only "best memories" was off her as a kid "smiling" at him and when they were on the team 7 again smiling at him, those moments of "forehead compliment, genjutsu compliment, saves or protection" wasnt took in consideration.
So if her best memories of it was off her smiling at him showing infatuation for someome who doesnt care about her(drawing Sasuke with a cold face), that was SS, that was how Kishi demonstrated her "love", something selfish and unheathy.

I know , i know, i am currently rereading part 1 so except the forehead comment from Sasuke(Naruto) there is no other thing positive .

The thing is SS fadom praise those ''facts'' and her selfish confession  , but she doesn't  , then why the f.. with all the negativity the selfishness the indifference , why are they supporting that relationship ? Assuming  they comprehend those facts , there is nothing good or will ever be , why is that taken as true love , but NS is brother and sister ?

Maybe because of personal experience ?

[Nostradamus]

@Superman333  Well apparently they're really dizzy because the things they say is laughable. I don't know if they're trolls or just inventing stuff up to satisfy themselves.

 

@Psychox  About the bashing I do remember watching the reviews of 631 and most comments on those videos were about how the Yellow Flash is a traitor. I mean really Minato a traitor? How is he a traitor?

 

@Hanabi   I perfectly understand that everyone views things differently. But this is a story in which the writer is telling us what is going on and we read it, we understand it and move along. We can make theories on what's going to happen next but we can't invent stuff up because we don't like what's going on. For example in chapter 631 Naruto basically admits that Sakura is his girlfriend. Now I've read a comment that goes something like this "Naruto said that Sakura is his girlfriend because he hasn't discovered his feelings for Hinata yet and he needs to talk to her and after he talks with her, he will declare that Hinata is his girlfriend." or something like that. I'm sorry but the narrative clearly told us that Naruto views Sakura as his girlfriend not Hinata, and they completely ignored that and disregarded it.

[Gaara's hair]

People can view the characters how they like, but the story is the story. There's no twisting it or changing the story, it's written the way it's written or drawn.

[Superman333]

@Superman333  Well apparently they're really dizzy because the things they say is laughable. I don't know if they're trolls or just inventing stuff up to satisfy themselves.

 

@Psychox  About the bashing I do remember watching the reviews of 631 and most comments on those videos were about how the Yellow Flash is a traitor. I mean really Minato a traitor? How is he a traitor?

 

@Hanabi   I perfectly understand that everyone views things differently. But this is a story in which the writer is telling us what is going on and we read it, we understand it and move along. We can make theories on what's going to happen next but we can't invent stuff up because we don't like what's going on. For example in chapter 631 Naruto basically admits that Sakura is his girlfriend. Now I've read a comment that goes something like this "Naruto said that Sakura is his girlfriend because he hasn't discovered his feelings for Hinata yet and he needs to talk to her and after he talks with her, he will declare that Hinata is his girlfriend." or something like that. I'm sorry but the narrative clearly told us that Naruto views Sakura as his girlfriend not Hinata, and they completely ignored that and disregarded it.

its about time you make another rant I enjoy them . 

[Superman333]

I know , i know, i am currently rereading part 1 so except the forehead comment from Sasuke(Naruto) there is no other thing positive .

The thing is SS fadom praise those ''facts'' and her selfish confession  , but she doesn't  , then why the f.. with all the negativity the selfishness the indifference , why are they supporting that relationship ? Assuming  they comprehend those facts , there is nothing good or will ever be , why is that taken as true love , but NS is brother and sister ?

Maybe because of personal experience ?

no they are just trying to make them selves feel better they want to be blind even to facts thats right in front of their face . They pretend that Sakura doesn't know that Sasuke doesn't like her and even hates her . 

They like to use the fact that Sasuke doesn't realize his feelings for Sakura yet , but yet Sasuke has been clear to show probable feelings for Karin , just like how they say that Naruto has feelings for Hinata , but yet Naruto stated he is in love with Sakura . 

 

They tend to say all the stuff Sakura does is because she has to do it , why doesn't she feel as compelled to rescue Kakashi and Sasuke as she does Naruto .? I mean they are on her teams also . 

 

Then the fact that I heard someone say the reason Kishi cut Yamato's sentence off was because Kishi may change his mind later ... What the actual fu** .? Kishi cut off Sakura's sentences more times later down the road when she was about to say she loved Naruto or somethign along those lines whats the excuse for that .? 

 

I mean come on man .  

Edited by Superman333, 20 August 2013 - 06:09 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

you said Sakura didn't hit Sai because of Sasuke she did it because of Naruto . Then you started explaining why but I don't clearly understand it . 

Oh ok. Well while Sony Conference is putting to sleep (not really but it's boring), I'll explain.

 

In the beginning, Naruto was legitimately upset that Sai was replacing Sasuke, so Sakura cheered him up by bringing a discussion. Later, Naruto was getting more pissed off because of Sai bashing on Sasuke. Sakura stopped him before he gets to make a move, so instead of letting Naruto looking bad, Sakura took the bad look by actually hitting Sai, as to say, "Naruto shouldn't do it, so have her do it for him". At first, people would assume that she did it because of Team 7 and her actual grudge, but when that moment happens again, noticed that Naruto got really mad and she said that he can't no longer helped but wants to beat Sai up. That tells you that Sakura was taking from Naruto on Sai. It's like me protecting my girlfriend from ruining her image, so I take it all in. Like she wants to hit the guy bad, so I decided to do it for her without making it seem like she told me so or wanted me too as well as keeping her image as a really gentle person. Why else Sakura saved Naruto reputation by saying sorry for his behaviors.

 

So now let's go to the moment where he got really pissed yet didn't take action. Recall the scene structure in the manga. Ok, Naruto got mad but he didn't do anything. Instead, he took all the frustration and Sakura noticed it. She image her head the brotherhood of Naruto and Sasuke and only pinpoint on Naruto's pov on his feelings with Sasuke, not like equally. Before they leave, Sakura tells Sai that she didn't hit because of Naruto's words. That said it goes to show you that she did this punching thing just for Naruto. While Team 7 she cares, you can arguably say she placed Naruto a bit above it. If she has her own grudges, she would still hit him. Not only that but she really took Naruto's word to the heart. That's why Sai picked up that she's being really gentle with him, because she's protecting his feelings since Sai was the guy who badmouthed all the time. If you noticed, that arc has shown clearly that Sakura really has strong feelings for Naruto, which is funny on how no one pick up on her feelings with Sasuke. Basically, Sakura does have strong deep feelings for Naruto, but it's hidden and Sai and Yamato confirmed it.

 

Questions?

[Superman333]

Oh ok. Well while Sony Conference is putting to sleep (not really but it's boring), I'll explain.

 

In the beginning, Naruto was legitimately upset that Sai was replacing Sasuke, so Sakura cheered him up by bringing a discussion. Later, Naruto was getting more pissed off because of Sai bashing on Sasuke. Sakura stopped him before he gets to make a move, so instead of letting Naruto looking bad, Sakura took the bad look by actually hitting Sai, as to say, "Naruto shouldn't do it, so have her do it for him". At first, people would assume that she did it because of Team 7 and her actual grudge, but when that moment happens again, noticed that Naruto got really mad and she said that he can't no longer helped but wants to beat Sai up. That tells you that Sakura was taking from Naruto on Sai. It's like me protecting my girlfriend from ruining her image, so I take it all in. Like she wants to hit the guy bad, so I decided to do it for her without making it seem like she told me so or wanted me too as well as keeping her image as a really gentle person. Why else Sakura saved Naruto reputation by saying sorry for his behaviors.

 

So now let's go to the moment where he got really pissed yet didn't take action. Recall the scene structure in the manga. Ok, Naruto got mad but he didn't do anything. Instead, he took all the frustration and Sakura noticed it. She image her head the brotherhood of Naruto and Sasuke and only pinpoint on Naruto's pov on his feelings with Sasuke, not like equally. Before they leave, Sakura tells Sai that she didn't hit because of Naruto's words. That said it goes to show you that she did this punching thing just for Naruto. While Team 7 she cares, you can arguably say she placed Naruto a bit above it. If she has her own grudges, she would still hit him. Not only that but she really took Naruto's word to the heart. That's why Sai picked up that she's being really gentle with him, because she's protecting his feelings since Sai was the guy who badmouthed all the time. If you noticed, that arc has shown clearly that Sakura really has strong feelings for Naruto, which is funny on how no one pick up on her feelings with Sasuke. Basically, Sakura does have strong deep feelings for Naruto, but it's hidden and Sai and Yamato confirmed it.

 

Questions?

okay I get it now and the fact that when everybody asks her what does she feel for Sasuke she always does this ......... and doesn't say anything ...

[T XD]

People can view the characters how they like, but the story is the story. There's no twisting it or changing the story, it's written the way it's written or drawn.

There's the fact too that some, from how they view the characters, link them to their actions in the story. That's why there's some that are convinced with what they say sometimes.

 

But, there are other reasons for what they say and why they cling.

Edited by T XD, 20 August 2013 - 06:23 PM.

[Psychox]

@Superman333  Well apparently they're really dizzy because the things they say is laughable. I don't know if they're trolls or just inventing stuff up to satisfy themselves.

 

@Psychox  About the bashing I do remember watching the reviews of 631 and most comments on those videos were about how the Yellow Flash is a traitor. I mean really Minato a traitor? How is he a traitor?

 

@Hanabi   I perfectly understand that everyone views things differently. But this is a story in which the writer is telling us what is going on and we read it, we understand it and move along. We can make theories on what's going to happen next but we can't invent stuff up because we don't like what's going on. For example in chapter 631 Naruto basically admits that Sakura is his girlfriend. Now I've read a comment that goes something like this "Naruto said that Sakura is his girlfriend because he hasn't discovered his feelings for Hinata yet and he needs to talk to her and after he talks with her, he will declare that Hinata is his girlfriend." or something like that. I'm sorry but the narrative clearly told us that Naruto views Sakura as his girlfriend not Hinata, and they completely ignored that and disregarded it.

 

Lol , because he didn't ask hinata the question of course

Bolded :

 

 

no they are just trying to make them selves feel better they want to be blind even to facts thats right in front of their face . They pretend that Sakura doesn't know that Sasuke doesn't like her and even hates her . 

They like to use the fact that Sasuke doesn't realize his feelings for Sakura yet , but yet Sasuke has been clear to show probable feelings for Karin , just like how they say that Naruto has feelings for Hinata , but yet Naruto stated he is in love with Sakura . 

 

They tend to say all the stuff Sakura does is because she has to do it , why doesn't she feel as compelled to rescue Kakashi and Sasuke as she does Naruto .? I mean they are on her teams also . 

 

Then the fact that I heard someone say the reason Kishi cut Yamato's sentence off was because Kishi may change his mind later ... What the actual fu** .? Kishi cut off Sakura's sentences more times later down the road when she was about to say she loved Naruto or somethign along those lines whats the excuse for that .? 

 

I mean come on man .  

That was the SS girl that i talked with , which i buried her with''yeah , he will develop a relationship/feelings , and then drop it off to another , ya right .

Edited by Psychox, 20 August 2013 - 07:16 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

okay I get it now and the fact that when everybody asks her what does she feel for Sasuke she always does this ......... and doesn't say anything ...

It's funny that she didn't get asked about Naruto yet. Kishi is keeping that hidden for a while. I don't know but I think it's clear as day that we shouldn't worry about anything but enjoy the ride.

[Hanabi]

@Hanabi   I perfectly understand that everyone views things differently. But this is a story in which the writer is telling us what is going on and we read it, we understand it and move along. We can make theories on what's going to happen next but we can't invent stuff up because we don't like what's going on. For example in chapter 631 Naruto basically admits that Sakura is his girlfriend. Now I've read a comment that goes something like this "Naruto said that Sakura is his girlfriend because he hasn't discovered his feelings for Hinata yet and he needs to talk to her and after he talks with her, he will declare that Hinata is his girlfriend." or something like that. I'm sorry but the narrative clearly told us that Naruto views Sakura as his girlfriend not Hinata, and they completely ignored that and disregarded it.

That's what hinatards uh hum hardcore fans do.. twist and twist what is presented till it suits their liking. The nonsensical arguments (of course naruto will joke to his dead father ) against 631 are funny lol.

[T XD]

It's funny that she didn't get asked about Naruto yet. Kishi is keeping that hidden for a while. I don't know but I think it's clear as day that we shouldn't worry about anything but enjoy the ride.

Bolded: Exactly. There's nothing to worry about. Let the story flow on its own and we'll get what we want.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Bolded: Exactly. There's nothing to worry about. Let the story flow on its own and we'll get what we want.

Exactly. I believe we are secured. The way things are going really make me think NS could just relax and just sit down next to bonfire.

[T XD]

Exactly. I believe we are secured. The way things are going really make me think NS could just relax and just sit down next to bonfire.

Lol. Seeing how NS is progressing, there's nothing to think so much over. There will be some minor hurdles, but that what drama demands. After all, NS ships by itself XD

[TouKen4Life3g]

Lol. Seeing how NS is progressing, there's nothing to think so much over. There will be some minor hurdles, but that what drama demands. After all, NS ships by itself XD

True. Right now, SS is undergoing through a heavy drama and it's the first time that Sai noticed that Sakura don't trust Sasuke. Usually, he would believe that they will be happy for this, but for Sakura, well that's a different story. It can finally end or stay steady for whatever reason. So far, nothing suggests upside. Then, we still have the parallel inbound as well as Naruto's birthday. Honestly, I hope he ends it here because it is best timing, being on their side and all. We await.

[Tsubaki]

I'm bringing some arguments to debate:  please don't bash the opposite fandom, discuss the argument

 

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It’s just as I’ve said! Minato and Hinata DO resemble each other! The final scene in 634 confirms it! Kishi you sneaky devil!Btw, I know Naruhina doesn’t need parallels but when Kishimoto himself uses the time to do this it has to be worth noting! Juubito was using mental attacks against Minato about his past just like Neji did to Hinata and as seen in the pic, its Naruto who defends them, Idk about you, but i don’t remember Naruto doing this for ANYONE other than Hinata. Plus the way 643 was set up……I mean its Minato’s Kurama comforting Minato but the end of the chapter with Naruto initiating the fistbump (like the hand hold in 615) then there’s the ”lets go dad” which is also like the ”lets go Hinata” from 615. Instead of the parallel taking a simple panel (like Kishimoto did with Kushina/Sakura), He took the time to make ours into CHAPTERS! Its undeniable that this was what Kishimoto was aiming for already establishing the fact that Naruto resembles his mom (as Kushina says HERSELF). I expect perhaps more from the next chapter or a confirmation of this soon (hopefully Minato will stick around for that). 

 

 

 

....... Okay! They're really serious about trying to compare Hinata with Minato in any way .. I guess they have given up trying to compare Hinata  with  Kushina.