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[Chatte]

I agree, and also with the movies and the fillers (yes I know they aren't canon) If they werent together in the end then certain fillers and movies like RTN would seem awkward to me, why have moments of those two together if they weren't going to be together in the first place, it would just add confusion.

I look it this way, only the AU world is not cannon because it's AU, but whatever it's connected with Sakura and Naruto is cannon, because they're taken from the actual context of the manga and put in an alternate universe.
Meaning, they're the same. Everything about them is cannon to me.
The non-cannon factors are the AU Hinata, Sasuke, Neji, K11 in general.
Hell, even the AU Sakura was shown to not know so much about Sasuke, if we consider the filler.

[Zatheko]

I look it this way, only the AU world is not cannon because it's AU, but whatever it's connected with Sakura and Naruto is cannon, because they're taken from the actual context of the manga and put in an alternate universe.
Meaning, they're the same. Everything about them is cannon to me.
The non-cannon factors are the AU Hinata, Sasuke, Neji, K11 in general.
Hell, even the AU Sakura was shown to not know so much about Sasuke, if we consider the filler.

Ah I see that's a good way to put it, I guess you are correct since they are the same naruto and sakura form the show anyways, so that just shows even more so how NS should be cannon and anything else would be awkward.

[Chatte]

Ah I see that's a good way to put it, I guess you are correct since they are the same naruto and sakura form the show anyways, so that just shows even more so how NS should be cannon and anything else would be awkward.

Exactly.
I mean, I caught a glimpse where Sakura asks him if he's happy in this world seeing how he reacts with his parents and such.
Sakura, the Sakura that supposedly still loves Sasuke and has him how she wanted, it's not happy.
Yes, she is excited by him giving her a flower and such, however, sad because she sees that she's about to lose Naruto.
So if she had them both, why is that funny enough, she turns to Naruto?

Foreshadowing much of the decision Sakura's going to make?

Don't know, but to me it seems that way.

Also, supposedly in the AU is like everything Naruto wanted as well. We get a bold Hinata. Let's consider it like the way Naruto wanted for Hinata to be, however, he runs with no other than Sakura from this bold Hinata that he wanted.

See, they're themselves, with the wishes granted, however, they both turn to each other...

Sakura is interested in Naruto's feelings although she got a rose and attention from Sasuke, Naruto runs with Sakura from a bold Hinata that he dreamed of.

This for me is a big foreshadowing.

As I see the events, a Hinata that supposedly will become a little bold (going to walk next to you, bla bla) similar to the Hinata in the AU, Sasuke in the end may be turning his eye to Sakura, not necessarily romantic, but to give her that acknowledgement that she seeked for, they;re both going to have what they supposedly wished for, however, at the end probably realize they're no good one without the another.

Don't know, may be seeing too much, but this is Kishi we're talking about, he is expert in parallels.

[swagosaurus]

Saying that everything that happens in the AU world isn't canon is redundant and illogical.

I also think, the last couple of pages, you guys are bashing Kishi too hard. He's not writing a novel with expert character development. It's a manga intended for teenagers.

Honestly, I fail to see how anyone can think SS or even NH can happen. It's like the main character's feelings mean nothing.

Kishi is a simple kind of guy; he already stated he's bad at romance. Why complicate things by having Naruto's selfless love be the only thing shown? Why would he not requite those feelings after the whole manga, and his obvious support for the pairing via RtN? Why have those two, in recent chapters, the only significant K11 characters in the battle against Obito/Madara?

Just use logic. >_> Kishi likes to troll, but I doubt he would pull that kind of a troll. He wants us to support Naruto, the manga, and the character; we should be doing that.

Edited by swagosaurus, 12 December 2012 - 11:17 PM.

[Chatte]

Saying that everything that happens in the AU world isn't canon is redundant and illogical.

I also think, the last couple of pages, you guys are bashing Kishi too hard. He's not writing a novel with expert character development. It's a manga intended for teenagers.

Honestly, I fail to see how anyone can think SS or even NH can happen. It's like the main character's feelings mean nothing.

Kishi is a simple kind of guy; he already stated he's bad at romance. Why complicate things by having Naruto's selfless love be the only thing shown? Why would he not requite those feelings after the whole manga, and his obvious support for the pairing via RtN? Why have those two, in recent chapters, the only significant K11 characters in the battle against Obito/Madara?

Just use logic. >_> Kishi likes to troll, but I doubt he would pull that kind of a troll. He wants us to support Naruto, the manga, and the character; we should be doing that.

You just reminded me with the last sentence how happy NH fans were that Hinata was shown to be closer to Naruto in 612 chapters while Sakura was drawn next to Kakashi, that it's all about NaruHina, yay, Kishi hates Sakura, etc and this weeks chapters blew everyone out.
No Hinata fighting, nothing. Whereas Kishi could put her, he put her father on this chapter while Sakura and Naruto were fighting in the same batallion.

And of course they needed to pick on Sakura with something so they used that part where everyone is hit along with Sakura.

It's just amazing how they need to pick onto every detail just so that they push NS out of the way.

[swagosaurus]

Exactly. And Kishi has already shown his distaste for the SasuSaku pairing. I.E; stating Sakura's love was vain, Sasuke knocking her out, the Kage Summit debacle, and RtN (the wilting rose symbol. seriously. that's a strong ass hint for her feelings about Sasuke.)

People say that it could happen because of 540; why would he make a pairing, he evidently dislikes/doesn't care for, canon? Why would he not spend his time in RtN giving SS/NH fanservice?

It just baffles the mind that this pairing, and subsequently Sakura, get bashed so hard. People expect too much out of Kishi. It's like they want story development on par with Lord of the Rings.

Edited by swagosaurus, 12 December 2012 - 11:33 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I don't know you guys, but those looks, Naruto's when Sakura asks him to bring Sasuke back and then Sakura's when she says to herself that Hinata loves Naruto... Why the necessity to draw them? Really now?
Why the suffer in their eyes if they don't care and love the other guys?
Why that chapter when Sakura has that sad face realizing that Hinata loves Naruto is called "The Last Gamble"? When suprisingly enough, Jiraiya and Tsunade made their last bet (Tsunade's last gamble) that she, indeed, lost, but was about to accept Jiraiya's love, why?
I may be reading too much into it but...dunno, you just don't develop a pair that much together, put hints here and there, make parallels all around so that the supposed pair that should be together will end with someone else.

1st question -> about sakura when she knew that hinata loved naruto .
i dont know what that scene was.
2st question -> drama.
3st question-> Last Gamble was the chapter of naruto vs pain,last gamble was naruto last shot to defeat pain which ended on a success.

[swagosaurus]

^ I think it was chapter 444 or around there. Some people argue that Sakura said 'Hinata...you...' instead of 'Hinata loves Naruto...', but the anime used the latter, so I guess Sakura knows Hinata loves Naruto now. She also looked pretty sad about it, too.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

^ I think it was chapter 444 or around there. Some people argue that Sakura said 'Hinata...you...' instead of 'Hinata loves Naruto...', but the anime used the latter, so I guess Sakura knows Hinata loves Naruto now. She also looked pretty sad about it, too.

She knows that naruto loves her and....?

[Zatheko]

She knows that naruto loves her and....?

She showed she felt a bit sad about it.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

She showed she felt a bit sad about it.

Because she thought naruto made that promise because of his love for sakura and he's putting himself in danger because of it, that why she thought that she's the one who makes naruto suffer and does not deserve his love.
She did not feel bad because of naruto's love, she feel bad because of herself.

She reminded of that naruto's promises to her and his speechs and thought that he was doing this because of his love for her, therefore she thought that she was a horrible person.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 12 December 2012 - 11:47 PM.

[swagosaurus]

^ That was after that scene.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

NS over SS --Click here to view--

One possibility I see Kishimoto trying to do is to give Sakura a choice between Naruto and a healthy, sane, returned to good Sasuke. There is no question to us who is better, Naruto or evil, crazy Sasuke like he is now. And while that should make Sakura's choice of who to love a lot easier, it actually makes it worse because Naruto wins for being the only sane, good guy in the room.

But if Naruto returns Sasuke to sanity, good, whatever, then it means a whole lot more if Sakura picks Naruto over Sasuke because she got what she wanted. Her once in a life time wish is fulfilled and she has the chance to live happy ever after with Sasuke, but instead picks Naruto instead.

That makes the meaning of her choice and the quality of her love for Naruto all the more special.

Think of it as a ball game. Would you rather be on the team that played its hardest to narrowly defeat the opposing team? Or would you rather be the team that didn't have to play at all because the other team didn't even show up? You might have still won the trophy, but the feelings behind the trophy is a lot different it if had a good game to win it.

That way of making her chose has a lot more dramatic and romantic payoff, even if its hair ripping aggravating to us because we literally have to wait till the end of the manga for the payoff.

I'm not sure if I believe Kishimoto is heading in this direction or not, but it makes it all the more tolerable to me to see Sakura still loving Sasuke like this.

this is the main problem of what is trying to say why sakura has to choose between naruto and sasuke?
Did you dont think the possibility of sasuke rejecting sakura again? because for some reason he feels unworthy and even feels that it's not the right thing to do after all the things he done to her.
Like Kakashi did to rin, it can be a foreshadowing too.
This argument puts hinata on the very same pedestal at sakura, she can choose naruto and his feelings does not matter.
For me the most possibility is her after that lover-nin scene she thinks that pursuing sasuke and her platonic love for him does not worth when there's someome like Naruto who loves her, even in a war she can might say something to Naruto or even Naruto declares to her when she's healing him.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 12 December 2012 - 11:53 PM.

[Don-kun]

I know this my change bad the discussion to unwanted topic, But I really confuse about Luffy's latest behavior, He said that he reread the manga again, but by doing this you might only remember some of the qualities from Sakura you're trying to tolerate that will take you to two conclusion, you either lose your interest in her character or stoke with her character by hopping that Kishi finally do some justice to her character.

One thing if for sure, you don't become a SS shipper or even believe that it has more chances than NS, when you have 100% of the SS fan refusing to talk about his treatment towards her and only focusing on her feelings even if they are being painted in a bad light, or worse dragging the pairing dead corpse on NH latest possibility.

A mean it doesn't get any more pathetic and worst for a really smart and open minded ex or current NS fan like yourself, it makes the situation harder to swallow. If you did say that you don't believe any pairing will happen since there is to many flaws in them, then I would agree with you, but SS, seriously SS.

A mean if you start liking SS something I really doubt is OK, but bringing argument for a pairing that refuse to acknowledge Sasuke's behavior, always using excuses that Sasuke is not himself (only a good Sasuke is really himself wtf), the negative effect he create on Sakura, refusing to accept the Naruto and Sasuke bond, believes that Sakura will redeem Sasuke not Naruto he will only be doing the beating/fighting part, Naruto feelings towards Sakura, Sakura gowning affection towards Naruto, a lie to help a friend is worst than 3 murder attempt, the parallel that show the similarities with team 7 dynamic, and many other stuff, would make it hard to take those type of mentality seriously and worst if they care about Sasuke way, but way more than what the care about Sakura.

It's truth that anything can happen, but sometimes things really need to make sense and with Kishi he always try to explain why something happen or why this sudden change in a character.

And about NS this is an Opinion I got from someone else, but honestly I think it makes a lot more sense than anything can happen or Sasuke redemption = SS, after all Naruto is the main character of this story and Sakura the main lead.

NS over SS --Click here to view--

One possibility I see Kishimoto trying to do is to give Sakura a choice between Naruto and a healthy, sane, returned to good Sasuke. There is no question to us who is better, Naruto or evil, crazy Sasuke like he is now. And while that should make Sakura's choice of who to love a lot easier, it actually makes it worse because Naruto wins for being the only sane, good guy in the room.

But if Naruto returns Sasuke to sanity, good, whatever, then it means a whole lot more if Sakura picks Naruto over Sasuke because she got what she wanted. Her once in a life time wish is fulfilled and she has the chance to live happy ever after with Sasuke, but instead picks Naruto instead.

That makes the meaning of her choice and the quality of her love for Naruto all the more special.

Think of it as a ball game. Would you rather be on the team that played its hardest to narrowly defeat the opposing team? Or would you rather be the team that didn't have to play at all because the other team didn't even show up? You might have still won the trophy, but the feelings behind the trophy is a lot different it if had a good game to win it.

That way of making her chose has a lot more dramatic and romantic payoff, even if its hair ripping aggravating to us because we literally have to wait till the end of the manga for the payoff.

I'm not sure if I believe Kishimoto is heading in this direction or not, but it makes it all the more tolerable to me to see Sakura still loving Sasuke like this.

Edited by Don-kun, 12 December 2012 - 11:56 PM.

[Chatte]

1st question -> about sakura when she knew that hinata loved naruto .
i dont know what that scene was.
2st question -> drama.
3st question-> Last Gamble was the chapter of naruto vs pain,last gamble was naruto last shot to defeat pain which ended on a success.

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It's the same look as Naruto's with Sakura's request.

http://178.21.19.200...to_c183_p12.png

I know it's drama, but still, those scenes have these similarities...

Also, I know the last gamble chapter was mainly about Naruto vs. Pain but don't you find it weird it starts with Sakura's realization that there is someone that loves Naruto?
I mean, if she didn't have any feelings for him, why exactly be sad? If I'd only be friends, I'd be happy someone is there to love my friend, however, to me, Sakura seemed like scared in some sort of way that is someone else that could have Naruto's heart
And the name, the chapter start and Jiraiya's and Tsunade's bet connection, don't know, I just can't exactly say it's nothing behind it.
Too many coincidences.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

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8 --Click here to view--

It's the same look as Naruto's with Sakura's request.

http://178.21.19.200...to_c183_p12.png

I know it's drama, but still, those scenes have these similarities...

Also, I know the last gamble chapter was mainly about Naruto vs. Pain but don't you find it weird it starts with Sakura's realization that there is someone that loves Naruto?
I mean, if she didn't have any feelings for him, why exactly be sad? If I'd only be friends, I'd be happy someone is there to love my friend, however, to me, Sakura seemed like scared in some sort of way that is someone else that could have Naruto's heart
And the name, the chapter start and Jiraiya's and Tsunade's bet connection, don't know, I just can't exactly say it's nothing behind it.
Too many coincidences.

Naruto reaction is from someome who got hearbroken when knowing that the person you love really likes someome else.
The second i still could not find the answer it's complicated, 2deep4me .

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 13 December 2012 - 12:05 AM.

[Don-kun]

1st question -> about sakura when she knew that hinata loved naruto .
i dont know what that scene was.
2st question -> drama.
3st question-> Last Gamble was the chapter of naruto vs pain,last gamble was naruto last shot to defeat pain which ended on a success.

The bold statement is correct.

this is the main problem of what is trying to say why sakura has to choose between naruto and sasuke?
Did you dont think the possibility of sasuke rejecting sakura again? because for some reason he feels unworthy and even feels that it's not the right thing to do after all the things he done to her.
Like Kakashi did to rin, it can be a foreshadowing too.
This argument puts hinata on the very same pedestal at sakura, she can choose naruto and his feelings does not matter.
For me the most possibility is her after that lover-nin scene she thinks that pursuing sasuke and her platonic love for him does not worth when there's someome like Naruto who loves her, even in a war she can might say something to Naruto or even Naruto declares to her when she's healing him.

Yes but I don't want Sasuke to reject Sakura, I will like him to feel that he need to make it up to her somehow and she rejects him instead
that will make NS transition a lot better and more satisfying for the readers.
Sasuke rejecting Sakura only makes her the same shallow girl from part one and makes Naruto the 2nd choice something he does not deserves.

About Hinata, I guest that if NH doesn't not happen is either she acknowledge how strong Naruto and Sakura bond is and how much they care for each other, or someone (Neji) might point to her that there are other who cares about her and she should try to live for her self and not only for Naruto.

Edited by Don-kun, 13 December 2012 - 12:12 AM.

[KnS]

^ I think it was chapter 444 or around there. Some people argue that Sakura said 'Hinata...you...' instead of 'Hinata loves Naruto...', but the anime used the latter, so I guess Sakura knows Hinata loves Naruto now. She also looked pretty sad about it, too.

It's on the first page of #442, actually. And in the published English version Sakura says, "Hinata, you really love Naruto, don't you..." So yes, Sakura definitely knows how Hinata feels.

"Sad" is certainly one word that could describe Sakura's expression, but I'm not sure that's entirely it. There's a bit of disappointment too, and a lot of inner reflection. Every time I see that panel of Sakura's face while she's healing Hinata, I get the sense that Sakura feels confused by her reaction to the realization as well. Maybe feels a little left out. Unnerved. Sort of... subtly threatened. All of the above swirled together.

It's perfectly drawn by Kishimoto to show us how complicated Sakura's feelings are for Naruto, and how she is confused by the nature of them. That's not going to last forever.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Yes but I don't want Sasuke to reject Sakura, I will like him to feel that he need to make it up to her somehow and she rejects him instead
that will make NS transition a lot better and more satisfying for the readers.
Sasuke rejecting Sakura only makes her the same shallow girl from part one and makes Naruto the 2nd choice something he does not deserves.

About Hinata, I guest that if NH doesn't not happen is either she acknowledge how strong Naruto and Sakura bond is and how much they care for each other, or someone (Neji) might point to her that there are other who cares about her and she should try to live for her self and not only for Naruto.

Why Why Why Why sasuke cant reject sakura again????
Look at kakashi gaiden even with kakashi not even caring for her and more she still said "I love you to kakashi" just to get rejected.
i did not said that i want this to happen i'm talking about possibilities, sasuke can reject sakura, different from what SS claims that when sasuke is redeemed 100% ss happen which is a false statement.
Moreover why she would reject him, this is absurd this is not fanfiction sasuke does not even have feelings for sakura why he would say "i love you to sakura".

THis is the biggest mistake i see about the SS claims is that SS depends on Sakura if SS depends only on Sakura it already should be canon since chapter 3 on part 1.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 13 December 2012 - 12:14 AM.

[Chucky-kun]

1.

8 --Click here to view--

It's the same look as Naruto's with Sakura's request.

http://178.21.19.200...to_c183_p12.png

I know it's drama, but still, those scenes have these similarities...

Also, I know the last gamble chapter was mainly about Naruto vs. Pain but don't you find it weird it starts with Sakura's realization that there is someone that loves Naruto?
I mean, if she didn't have any feelings for him, why exactly be sad? If I'd only be friends, I'd be happy someone is there to love my friend, however, to me, Sakura seemed like scared in some sort of way that is someone else that could have Naruto's heart
And the name, the chapter start and Jiraiya's and Tsunade's bet connection, don't know, I just can't exactly say it's nothing behind it.
Too many coincidences.

Just wonder where you got that sig XD lol