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[LegendaryArcanine42]

@Gravenimage No problem

@NaruSaku1 I'm not worried about that, and I really don't wanna name names, but there were a couple of people that seemed a little edgy when I was defending the other POVs, someone even claimed I was trolling

@TheOmegaMan (epic name btw...) The premise is not false, Kishimoto IS the writer, that is both true and a fact and therefore cannot be debated or argued against... so how is that false in any way?

[Greed-Sama]

@TheOmegaMan (epic name btw...) The premise is not false, Kishimoto IS the writer, that is both true and a fact and therefore cannot be debated or argued against... so how is that false in any way?

I was talking about you arguing for NaruHina. Not the Kishimoto writer thing. That has already been discussed to death. My bad for not being clear.

[LegendaryArcanine42]

I was talking about you arguing for NaruHina. Not the Kishimoto writer thing. That has already been discussed to death. My bad for not being clear.

No problem, it's happen to me way too many times, I'm already both sympathetic and empathetic

But the NaruHina thing, I support all pairings so why shouldn't I fight for NaruHina when all I see is NaruSaku as far as the eye can see?

Besides, playing Devil's Advocate can be fun! And then you get accused for trolling

[FoolishYoungling]

@Gravenimage No problem

@NaruSaku1 I'm not worried about that, and I really don't wanna name names, but there were a couple of people that seemed a little edgy when I was defending the other POVs, someone even claimed I was trolling

@TheOmegaMan (epic name btw...) The premise is not false, Kishimoto IS the writer, that is both true and a fact and therefore cannot be debated or argued against... so how is that false in any way?

Kishi is the writer yes, but where is the background information for why you think something can happen, we need the details, not just opinion (hard for NH fans to give true details), your only detail is "Kishi the writer" and thats never something to debate about, its like saying "superman is going to save them in the last 5 episodes" and it can happen because Kishi writes? No, Kishi isn't stupid, he is going to follow on the story with details he has given us from previous chapters. What I'm trying to say is, if all you got to say is Kishi is the writer, then you will never win the debates, and I know you go two ways with some of your debates. One thread you say its okay, then the next one you say its not.. not trying to be mean, just telling you that in a debating thread, something as simple as "Hinata's calm nature will win Naruto (maybe)" will be discussed because its a DEBATE thread.. We will always enjoy people supporting/giving details of different pairings, but they will have to make since... just no more "Kishi is the writer", it won't change the fact he made

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Kushina say "pick someone like me".

[CloudMountainJuror]

Kishi is the writer yes, but where is the background information for why you think something can happen, we need the details, not just opinion (hard for NH fans to give true details), your only detail is "Kishi the writer" and thats never something to debate about, its like saying "superman is going to save them in the last 5 episodes" and it can happen because Kishi writes? No, Kishi isn't stupid, he is going to follow on the story with details he has given us from previous chapters. What I'm trying to say is, if all you got to say is Kishi is the writer, then you will never win the debates, and I know you go two ways with some of your debates. One thread you say its okay, then the next one you say its not.. not trying to be mean, just telling you that in a debating thread, something as simple as "Hinata's calm nature will win Naruto (maybe)" will be discussed because its a DEBATE thread.. We will always enjoy people supporting/giving details of different pairings, but they will have to make since... just no more "Kishi is the writer", it won't change the fact he made

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Kushina say "pick someone like me".

I can see why'd they keep using the "Kishi is the writer" argument, but that argument only would work if it's assumed that Kishi will go crazy in the end of making Naruto. If, however, he'll remain sane and continue with what he's built already, then I agree with you mostly.

[LegendaryArcanine42]

I can see why'd they keep using the "Kishi is the writer" argument, but that argument only would work if it's assumed that Kishi will go crazy in the end of making Naruto. If, however, he'll remain sane and continue with what he's built already, then I agree with you mostly.

Guys, I only brought that up again, because that's what I thought Omega was referring to... Let's not start that up again ¬_¬

[Phantom_999]

I will have to agree there's nothing wrong if he's really a NH fan we're all free to share our opinions we will always agree and disagree that's what a debate is all about. But I don't like that he "claims" he's '"suppossedly" a NS fan with the way he's putting NH on high standards. I think he should be honest and admitt that he's a fan of the opposite fandom I don't have a problem with it, but he should stop claiming that's he's a supporter of our pairing because that will be "hypocrite".

I know. Didn't say he was not welcome just wondering out of curiosity

I was gonna let everything slide, but then your comment happened ¬_¬

I'm not an NH fan nor am I an NS fan, I probably don't even support any pairing, I just believe that NS is the most likely to become canon...

However, due to the fact that everyone is on the side of NS, I decided to be the "Devil's Advocate" and fight for EVERY OTHER PAIRING, DATTEBAYO!!!

Anyway, I'm pretty much done with debating for now, I can't really think of a decent counter-argument... I just wish that everyone would stop being angry with me for arguing for a different point of view O.o

Alright then. But I'd just like tho point out though that You aren't supposed to be biased in your answers and say That Hinata is better for Naruto, or his relationship with Sakura isn't compatable if you're neutral on this. It's okay to put out your views but then if your not on one side or the other don't argue for one, if you don't mind me saying

Wait... what? Why can't I argue for the other side?

Because then you're not neutral so you CAN'T say you're not up for NS or NH

Edited by Phantom_999, 25 October 2011 - 12:08 AM.

[LegendaryArcanine42]

Alright then. But I'd just like tho point out though that You aren't supposed to be biased in your answers and say That Hinata is better for Naruto, or his relationship with Sakura isn't compatable if you're neutral on this. It's okay to put out your views but then if your not on one side or the other don't argue for one, if you don't mind me saying

Wait... what? Why can't I argue for the other side?

[FoolishYoungling]

Wait... what? Why can't I argue for the other side?

that means you like them more... mostly anyway

[Miss Soupy]

People, no one has to give a reason for why they argue for any pairing what-so-ever. If they aren't bashing, there is no reason for you to gang up on them and demand to know what they support. That's not really your business, and if someone liked NH they could feel free to debate here with us without being immediately pounced upon. Obviously Densetsu-Kun is not an NH fan, but if he wanted to discuss from the other side of the shipping wars, he has the right to do so (as long as there is no bashing) without getting a million comments about how he is a NH fan in disguise or something. >.> If you are so curious about it, I'm sure you could PM them and ask them in private rather than demanding to know in public and then not believing them when they tell you.

Let's try to be more polite to the members...even if they disagree with you.

[FoolishYoungling]

People, no one has to give a reason for why they argue for any pairing what-so-ever. If they aren't bashing, there is no reason for you to gang up on them and demand to know what they support. That's not really your business, and if someone liked NH they could feel free to debate here with us without being immediately pounced upon. Obviously Densetsu-Kun is not an NH fan, but if he wanted to discuss from the other side of the shipping wars, he has the right to do so (as long as there is no bashing) without getting a million comments about how he is a NH fan in disguise or something. >.> If you are so curious about it, I'm sure you could PM them and ask them in private rather than demanding to know in public and then not believing them when they tell you.

Let's try to be more polite to the members...even if they disagree with you.

Where did we stat he couldn't be here? I'm just telling him why he shouldn't think we hate him, and why he is being replyed with "no" every time he says something wrong in a DEBATE thread... get the point?

NaruSaku1: Naruto likes Pie! <---- he is debating..
Random thread guy: No he doesn't! <---- he is debating..

[Phantom_999]

People, no one has to give a reason for why they argue for any pairing what-so-ever. If they aren't bashing, there is no reason for you to gang up on them and demand to know what they support. That's not really your business, and if someone liked NH they could feel free to debate here with us without being immediately pounced upon. Obviously Densetsu-Kun is not an NH fan, but if he wanted to discuss from the other side of the shipping wars, he has the right to do so (as long as there is no bashing) without getting a million comments about how he is a NH fan in disguise or something. >.> If you are so curious about it, I'm sure you could PM them and ask them in private rather than demanding to know in public and then not believing them when they tell you.

Let's try to be more polite to the members...even if they disagree with you.

Didn't say that just pointing out he's not neutral if he is, not accusing him of shipping NH if You're neutral you don't really argue for or against right? Not saying he has to be but it's not considered neutral. Oh I find Blue exorcist really good thanks!

Hi5 Sistah! I'm finally being loved

doesn't mean she LIKES you.... anyways You're not hated here it's just how a debate goes. We sometimes get emotional sorry if it looks like we're ganging on you it's not like that

Edited by Phantom_999, 25 October 2011 - 12:58 AM.

[LegendaryArcanine42]

People, no one has to give a reason for why they argue for any pairing what-so-ever. If they aren't bashing, there is no reason for you to gang up on them and demand to know what they support. That's not really your business, and if someone liked NH they could feel free to debate here with us without being immediately pounced upon. Obviously Densetsu-Kun is not an NH fan, but if he wanted to discuss from the other side of the shipping wars, he has the right to do so (as long as there is no bashing) without getting a million comments about how he is a NH fan in disguise or something. >.> If you are so curious about it, I'm sure you could PM them and ask them in private rather than demanding to know in public and then not believing them when they tell you.

Let's try to be more polite to the members...even if they disagree with you.

Hi5 Sistah! I'm finally being loved

[Miss Soupy]

Where did we stat he couldn't be here? I'm just telling him why he shouldn't think we hate him, and why he is being replyed with "no" every time he says something wrong in a DEBATE thread... get the point?

I never said anyone stated 'he couldn't be here'. Read what I said; it is in reference to people saying he is an NH fan, etc. just because he argued for it (even after he gave his reason why he did so). It's really not something that should matter. It's a debate thread. People should not be getting all up in arms with whose side everyone else is on.

Didn't say that just pointing out he's not neutral if he is, not accusing him of shipping NH if You're neutral you argue for or against right?Not saying he has to be but it's not considered neutral. Oh I find Blue exorcist really good thanks!

It doesn't matter if they are for/against/neutral/purple. Doesn't matter, is what I'm saying, since what matters is the evidence being given.

Oh yes, glad you like Blue exorcist XD did you watch the anime or read the manga?? :3

[FoolishYoungling]

Hi5 Sistah! I'm finally being loved

You have a sister now! Okay enough chit-chat.. this is a debate thread--- anymore of this will have to be discussed in private messages alone.

topic: If NaruSaku happen, and Hinata and Sasuke are alone, who will they get? (yes I'm making this the topic so that someone will say "each other"..)

[LegendaryArcanine42]

You have a sister now! Okay enough chit-chat.. this is a debate thread--- anymore of this will have to be discussed in private messages alone.

topic: If NaruSaku happen, and Hinata and Sasuke are alone, who will they get? (yes I'm making this the topic so that someone will say "each other"..)

"Each other" Is what I'd say, if they had any contact with each other... And knowing their personalities, I think that Hinata and Gamakichi have a better chance of getting together... You know who'd be great together?

Lee and Hinata, they have so much in common and they could hit it off easily! We all know that Shikamaru likes Temari and Ino might as well go with Sai or Kiba...

LeeNata for teh win X3

[Anguyen92]

^^ Hmmm, interesting, what makes you think that Kiba and Ino might end up together? Ino and Sai, hmmmm, so-so. That dude may end up asexual and would just be content with narusaku being canon to see how feelings and relationships are taken to the next level.

Edited by Anguyen92, 25 October 2011 - 12:46 AM.

[FoolishYoungling]

^^ Hmmm, interesting, what makes you think that Kiba and Ino might end up together? Ino and Sai, hmmmm, so-so. That dude may end up asexual and would just be content with narusaku being canon to see how feelings and relationships are taken to the next level.

I wouldn't be surpised if Sai though it would be ok if he slipped in Naruto and Sakura doing it!

Sai: The book said "blah blah blah"

Edited by NaruSaku1, 25 October 2011 - 12:59 AM.

[Phantom_999]

It doesn't matter if they are for/against/neutral/purple. Doesn't matter, is what I'm saying, since what matters is the evidence being given.

Oh yes, glad you like Blue exorcist XD did you watch the anime or read the manga?? :3

Yeah I' know it doesn't matter My point was that he said NH was more "logical" to him and that's okay it's his opinion, but that's not a neutralist's view so he can't say he's neutral. AGAIN Not saying he's an NH fan and to boot him out, If he admitted NH is more appealing or logical that means he's for NH, not saying he has to take a side, TO BE an NH fan for sticking up for it, or explain himself, just saying it's a self contradiction I'm reading B.E. right now and will get to the anime during the weekend. Again THANKS GAL PAL

Edited by Phantom_999, 25 October 2011 - 01:00 AM.

[Super Boom]

Hello again, Vee.

LOL yeah. The person literally said that if Naruto hadn't of looked at Hinata shocked, then Pein wouldn't have noticed her and she would've landed a hit . I don't think that would've been possible if Jiraiya had trouble sneaking up on the Pein bodies(and he had Sage Mode!). It make me laugh and at the same time shake my head. I think some Hinatards hate Naruto and only support him with Hinata because he's what Hinata wants(maybe). And Pein WOULD'VE destroyed her. Look at the manga and ignore the anime bullsh** .

Yeah, that bothers me too. I know it's not all of them, but some Hinata fans (or N/H fans, since the two seem to go hand in hand for the most part) are almost impossible to argue with. I remember watching a video of Sakura's fight with Sasori, and beating my head against the desk at all the Hinata fans arguing how the fight would have went were Hinata in Sakura's place. I think the funniest argument was someone trying to say that Kishi confirmed Hinata is stronger than Sakura because Hinata defeated multiple Zetsus, the second strongest member of the Akatsuki, while Sakura barely mangaged to defeat Sasori, the weakest member. I assume the person was implying that order of defeat is correlated to strength, but it's still probably one of the most ridiculous arguments I've ever heard (and the random Sasori bashing made me mad too, he and Hidan were two of my favorite villains).

Anyways, I'm sure we could go all day with some silly fandom arguments we've all heard, but it's hard to bring some of them up without bashing that part of the fandom. And when that happens, it's easy to start bashing the entire fandom, or the character itself, both of which aren't allowed on this site, as far as I know.

I agree. If Naruto tries to do something like get out of doing paperwork when he's Hokage can any of you imagine Hinata trying to stop him? Sakura I know sure would.

Ha ha, this thought has crossed my mind before. With how Kishi's drawn Naruto and Sakura's relationship so far, I feel like, even if Hinata were to marry Naruto, Sakura would still be his most important female bond. I don't think Hinata could have the same influence on Naruto that Sakura does. Like you said, what could Hinata do to stop him from goofing off or doing something perverted?

topic: If NaruSaku happen, and Hinata and Sasuke are alone, who will they get? (yes I'm making this the topic so that someone will say "each other"..)

Sasu/Hina is possible, I suppose, but I can't really see any merit in it other than being convenient to Naru/Saku. I'd also feel like a hypocrite for shipping them, and then not being able to ship Naru/Hina on the basis of them never interacting. I can only remember Hinata talking to Sasuke once, and that was in a movie (filler).

As far who they'll end up with, I think Sasuke is most likely going to end up alone (dead or alive, I don't want to start that argument , LOL). If he ends up with anyone, I suppose he could realistically end up with Karin, were Kishi to work on repairing that relationship. They had a bit of positive development before he tried to kill her, but because of what went down in that arc, I'm not so sure.

For Hinata, it could go multiple ways, or maybe Kishi just won't show who she ends up with. Kiba or Neji seem like the most likely candidates, but I'm not so sure about either of them. Kiba's interactions with Hinata aren't necessarily romantic, and I guess I don't really care for Neji/Hina, since I'd rather Neji marry someone outside the clan. I think that would help drive the point home about Neji breaking free from his clan's caste system. I feel like that message would be wasted if he ended up with Hinata.

I'm not sure how likely it is, but I think Ko/Hina is an interesting pairing to note. Tricksie's mentioned it a few times, but Ko is a very specific character drawn in that arc. You can tell he cares for Hinata, and their marriage wouldn't really break any of Hinata's character development. Sure, he's a minor character, but I don't think Hinata's necessarily important enough to have to marry a first or second tier character.
But that's just my opinion. I think, as long as Hinata receives Naruto and her father's acknowledgement (one of which I suppose has already happened), nothing else is really required for her character. I think if we see her as the new clan head in the epilogue, with or without a husband shown, that would be the perfect resolution for her character.

Edited by Boom...Winning, 25 October 2011 - 01:26 AM.