8493 replies to this topic

[TouKen4Life3g]

Kushina's and Minato's tease... --Click here to view--

They were teasing about Naruto's rebellious behavior. As pointed out by many other spoilers, Naruto behaves pretty badly towards his AU parent. Naruto didn't want to trust them in the beginning, since to him, they are fake and made by Madara.

Minato was asking why he acted not nicely. He was asking: "Why do you have a foul mood? Something happen with you and the hero's daughter (Sakura)?" From this question, I think we can safely assume that Menma is a very close friend of Sakura, or Menma has a crush on Sakura (I can imagine a father would ask about his son's crush and relate to the foul mood, otherwise why pick that question? Why not pick something about academy or mission, etc? Then again it's hard to be unbiased). Naruto's reaction is not nice since he was still thinking they are fake.

Kushina was asking "are you ready for the mission? Ready to prove yourself to her?" There was only one other girl in the campaign besides Kushina, so, it's logical that Kushina was referring to Sakura. Naruto's reaction was very rude because he's still thinking that they are fake. Sakura then approached Naruto and she said "no matter whether they are fake or not, your reaction is rude and inappropriate ". We see that Sakura is being Sakura by keeping Naruto in the line. But, Naruto was still upset and cut her right away. That's the degree of his anger about Madara making 'fake' Minato and Kushina.

Oh, and Kushina made that teasing face we saw in promotional posters. So yeah, it's safe to assume that Menma has a crush on Sakura.

Thank you so much.

Oooh boy..... Here comes those MenSaku fics.... 😏

Lol. Maybe if we have AU! Sakura, this could have been avoided. I must say, Kishi did a good job trying to make NaruSaku as vague as possible in the AU!. Plus, there's no AU! Sakura in there, which dodges all questions. He's a sly one alright.

[redragon88]

Troll Face Kushina FTW

I can't wait for that scene.

I think dovakiin already confirmed this, but in the park scene after Sakura said the infamous line "Sasuke-kun would understand me" I heard that Naruto actually got pissed at hearing her say that so he was about to either scold her or storm off but then Madara appeared.

What went down?

Edited by redragon88, 19 October 2012 - 05:14 PM.

[Paptala]

@ Namaenash: You're so lucky that you got to see the movie early! I'm glad you think that it implies NaruSaku

I agree that this appears to take place after meeting Kushina but before KCM (hence after both confessions). I say this because both of their actions seem to mirror their actions at the summit - that was the only time that Naruto got angry with Sakura, and Sakura's scene at the fence seems very similar to the intent behind her actions at the summit.

As for the bridal save, I figured that it would be something quick - did it have as much emphasis as Naruto's bridal save of Sakura during the confrontation with Sasuke, would you say (in the anime)?

Also (and I know this was already asked to dovakiin but) did you also feel as though Kishi was trying to show parallels between MinaKushi and NaruSaku, especially with the last battle?

Its interesting to hear that Menma also appears to like AU!Sakura (and from Minato and Kushina's teasing of Naruto, it really does seem that way) - funny how the only one that doesn't seem to feel the same in the new world is AU!Sakura - she appears to have no feelings for AU!Sasuke at all, and only associates him with a playboy. Hinata still likes Naruto, Menma still likes Sakura, Sasuke still treats Sakura just like all of his other fangirls, but AU!Sakura has apparently no interest in Sakura. Perhaps Kishi is trying to say something with that, no?

It's also interesting to hear that Hinata herself asked if Naruto and Sakura were on a date and that she blushed/stuttered over the question (I thought that it was just Kiba who asked, and Hinata threatened to kill Sakura before she could react to the question). <3

Thanks in advance for being so patient with all of our questions! Great that we have 2 members here who got to see the movie, and that both of them are so willing to answer questions!

Edited by Paptala, 19 October 2012 - 05:50 PM.

[Namaenash]

Troll Face Kushina FTW

I can't wait for that scene.

I think dovakiin already confirmed this, but in the park scene after Sakura said the infamous line "Sasuke-kun would understand me" I heard that Naruto actually got pissed at hearing her say that so he was about to either scold her or storm off but then Madara appeared.

What went down?

Sakura's Foul Mood... --Click here to view--

...was meant to be a plot device. Naruto was pissed off when Sakura said "I think it's better to live without parent". Naruto gritte his teeth. Naruto was trying to advise Sakura, but then Sakura said "I can't believe it, that you, out of all people is not defending me" (something along those lines). Then she mumbles that "Sasuke would have understood me". I didn't see Naruto was about to leave.

All this 'cost' was paid well when Sakura realized that she was wrong. Upon seeing Sasuke being a player and realized how important her parent were, she run and look for naruto while thinking "Naruto, I'm really sorry. I was wrong." She found Naruto is celebrating Kushina's birthday happily. then she quietly retreat, making another sacrifice for Naruto's happiness.

Then the movie switches to the fence scene. That scene was also very strong and emotional. I think they depicted the symbolism very well. When Sakura asked if Naruto happy in this world, Naruto was telling lies that he was just busy. Then we switched to 'silent' mode, it sort of heart-to-heart conversation between them. The gist is that Naruto is thinking by heart that this is the world he always wanted, that his parent are alive, that they are present and not just carved in the stone (referring to Minato's carving in the mountain). We then see Sakura have that 'smile' and Naruto gritted his teeth. It was nicely done. Sorry I couldn't describe it better. The gist is Sakura starting to understand Naruto (being a hero's only child) and make a selfless sacrifice for his happiness.


Anyway, back to the topic. Not only Sakura who has foul mood. Naruto was also having a foul mood as well. It all started with parent's consent for Jounin. Naruto don't have parent. They depicted his loneliness quite nice. Then he looked for Iruka for jounin consent. Of course, Iruka straightly reject because Naruto is not even a chuunin yet. Then he starts mumbling, you won't believe that part of his foul mood was caused by the absence of fish cake in his ramen (which is replaced by Menma). Rather silly yeah?

Anyway, these are plot devices. Audience will need to see the bigger picture to appreciate that we are witnessing a journey of the hero and heroines, from imperfection to one step closer to perfection.

Edited by Namaenash, 19 October 2012 - 05:50 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Sakura's Foul Mood... --Click here to view--

...was meant to be a plot device. Naruto was pissed off when Sakura said "I think it's better to live without parent". Naruto gritte his teeth. Naruto was trying to advise Sakura, but then Sakura said "I can't believe it, that you, out of all people is not defending me" (something along those lines). Then she mumbles that "Sasuke would have understood me". I didn't see Naruto was about to leave.

All this 'cost' was paid well when Sakura realized that she was wrong. Upon seeing Sasuke being a player and realized how important her parent were, she run and look for naruto while thinking "Naruto, I'm really sorry. I was wrong." She found Naruto is celebrating Kushina's birthday happily. then she quietly retreat, making another sacrifice for Naruto's happiness.

Then the movie switches to the fence scene. That scene was also very strong and emotional. I think they depicted the symbolism very well. When Sakura asked if Naruto happy in this world, Naruto was telling lies that he was just busy. Then we switched to 'silent' mode, it sort of heart-to-heart conversation between them. The gist is that Naruto is thinking by heart that this is the world he always wanted, that his parent are alive, that they are present and not just carved in the stone (referring to Minato's carving in the mountain). We then see Sakura have that 'smile' and Naruto gritted his teeth. It was nicely done. Sorry I couldn't describe it better. The gist is Sakura starting to understand Naruto (being a hero's only child) and make a selfless sacrifice for his happiness.


Anyway, back to the topic. Not only Sakura who has foul mood. Naruto was also having a foul mood as well. It all started with parent's consent for Jounin. Naruto don't have parent. They depicted his loneliness quite nice. Then he looked for Iruka for jounin consent. Of course, Iruka straightly reject because Naruto is not even a chuunin yet. Then he starts mumbling, you won't believe that part of his foul mood was caused by the absence of fish cake in his ramen (which is replaced by Menma). Rather silly yeah?

Anyway, these are plot devices. Audience will need to see the bigger picture to appreciate that we are witnessing a journey of the hero and heroines, from imperfection to one step closer to perfection.

i didnt like the begining and his foul mood and his reaction towards Iruka was pretty silly he didnt care about ranks he just want to be hokage ofc they drag the begining of the shippuuden in the begining everything was out of place and then they were uniting the pieces until canon.
Both naruto and sakura were pretty silly in the begining she look at naruto with the face "Wtf i'm doing" and grabs him to go out with him and hits naruto because he said it was a date.
The funny thing is because she did it and she was very innocent and naruto was like "let's see where this is going to".

The whole part of her date with naruto was funny just because they both didnt knew what they were doing.

Edited by dovahkiin, 19 October 2012 - 06:06 PM.

[merryGOflava]

Kushina's and Minato's tease... --Click here to view--

They were teasing about Naruto's rebellious behavior. As pointed out by many other spoilers, Naruto behaves pretty badly towards his AU parent. Naruto didn't want to trust them in the beginning, since to him, they are fake and made by Madara.

Minato was asking why he acted not nicely. He was asking: "Why do you have a foul mood? Something happen with you and the hero's daughter (Sakura)?" From this question, I think we can safely assume that Menma is a very close friend of Sakura, or Menma has a crush on Sakura (I can imagine a father would ask about his son's crush and relate to the foul mood, otherwise why pick that question? Why not pick something about academy or mission, etc? Then again it's hard to be unbiased). Naruto's reaction is not nice since he was still thinking they are fake.

Kushina was asking "are you ready for the mission? Ready to prove yourself to her?" There was only one other girl in the campaign besides Kushina, so, it's logical that Kushina was referring to Sakura. Naruto's reaction was very rude because he's still thinking that they are fake. Sakura then approached Naruto and she said "no matter whether they are fake or not, your reaction is rude and inappropriate ". We see that Sakura is being Sakura by keeping Naruto in the line. But, Naruto was still upset and cut her right away. That's the degree of his anger about Madara making 'fake' Minato and Kushina.

Oh, and Kushina made that teasing face we saw in promotional posters. So yeah, it's safe to assume that Menma has a crush on Sakura.

so wait! kushina approves!? (in my mind it means she does!!!)

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

so wait! kushina approves!? (in my mind it means she does!!!)

It's difficult to prove yourself to her when your father does Hit Ko's on all frogs in a matter of seconds :3

[redragon88]

@ Namaenash

Thank you for taking the time to clarify things for us. And to Dovakiin as well.

Yeah, it was already implied that Naruto's and Sakura's bad attitudes at the beginning we're meant for plot device. It's nice to get confirmation of it.

On a different topic: Does anyone get the feeling that if Naruto and Sakura had a daughter she would be just like Kushina? It's just a feeling I have.

[Namaenash]

@Paptala

No worries. Glad to share NaruSaku goodness too

The inevitable parallel --Click here to view--

As for the bridal save, I figured that it would be something quick - did it have as much emphasis as Naruto's bridal save of Sakura during the confrontation with Sasuke, would you say (in the anime)?
>> if you put it on scale, personally I'd say anime emphasize: 8, RtN emphasize: 4. Brief, but full of intent (focus is on Sakura and Naruto, no other stuff on the screen).

Also (and I know this was already asked to dovakiin but) did you also feel as though Kishi was trying to show parallels between MinaKushi and NaruSaku, especially with the last battle?

>> Definitely. As I said, it's very difficult to be unbiased the fighting scene was reenactment of MinaKushi. To me, it is clear that Kishi is emphasizing on the parallel. Proven by flashback and how it is happening now. Some of the similarities:
- Flashback of Minato wearing hokage robe to save his loved one (Kushina)
- Naruto wearing hokage robe the exact same way as Minato is doing to save his loved one (Sakura). To give you the context, Menma was looking for Red Moon Sphere. Tsunade didn't give it. So, he took Sakura as a hostage in exchange for the sphere. Naruto remembered Sakura's speech, which make him realized that he should go back to the real world. He was determined to save Sakura and straightly go after her, without second thoughts.
- Flashback of Kushina being chained by Madara
- Sakura is chained by Madara the same way Kushina was chained.

All in all, it was the same context, but different actors. You can see that Kishi indeed pushing the 'parallel' agenda. Then again, it's difficult to be unbiased

Red Moon Sphere, spoiler inside spoiler --Click here to view--

This sphere was retrieved by Jiraiya, since the old frog save made a prophecy that it will be needed to stop legendary beast master (I.e. Menma). But he was badly injured in the process and died, before he died, he keep it in the place and have his summons guard it. Tsunade give instruction to Minato & Kushina to retrieve it and they tagged along Naruto and Sakura (since Naruto insist). That's why we see Gamabunta is guarding the place.

Its interesting to hear that Menma also appears to like AU!Sakura (and from Minato and Kushina's teasing of Naruto, it really does seem that way) - funny how the only one that doesn't seem to feel the same in the new world is AU!Sakura - she appears to have no feelings for AU!Sasuke at all, and only associates him with a playboy. Hinata still likes Naruto, Menma still likes Sakura, Sasuke still treats Sakura just like all of his other fangirls, but AU!Sakura has apparently no interest in Sakura. Perhaps Kishi is trying to say something with that, no?

>> Agree. Kishi is very cautious with this sort of thing. If I'm not mistaken, anime special 'Road to Sakura' never mention Menma as well, but they did mention Sasuke (which Sakura directly associate with playboy). Clever move.

It's also interesting to hear that Hinata herself asked if Naruto and Sakura were on a date and that she blushed/stuttered over the question (I thought that it was just Kiba who asked, and Hinata threatened to kill Sakura before she could react to the question). <3

>> In fact if I remember correctly, both Kiba and Hinata were suspecting they are on a date. And then Shino was like "if a boy and a girl is alone at the park then ..." suddenly Hinata cut off by saying "They are running away!" both Hinata and Kiba started to chase them, while Shino is saying "... I hate to be ignored". It was hilarious. Audience need to understand that it was just for pure comedy purpose. But still, Sakura blushing about her date question with Naruto is rather cute.

i didnt like the begining and his foul mood and his reaction towards Iruka was pretty silly he didnt care about ranks he just want to be hokage ofc they drag the begining of the shippuuden in the begining everything was out of place and then they were uniting the pieces until canon.
Both naruto and sakura were pretty silly in the begining she look at naruto with the face "Wtf i'm doing" and grabs him to go out with him and hits naruto because he said it was a date.
The funny thing is because she did it and she was very innocent and naruto was like "let's see where this is going to".

The whole part of her date with naruto was funny just because they both didnt knew what they were doing.

That's right. I also think it's a bit too much, but it is a necessary evil, given the movie is targeted to general audience. That's why we see all rookies fighting together (plus Guy and Kakashi) in the beginning of the movie to have a glimpse on how does the actual characters look like, so they can compare it later with AU characters. Smart move I'd say.

I think I'm more than happy with the movie. I surely hope everyone will enjoy it as much as I did.

Edited by Namaenash, 19 October 2012 - 06:57 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Thank you so much for these info.

It's difficult to prove yourself to her when your father does Hit Ko's on all frogs in a matter of seconds :3

Lol no kidding. Minato already got Kushina. Why not give some break for Naruto. He is not helping Naruto with this, man!

That's right. I also think it's a bit too much, but it is a necessary evil, given the movie is targeted to general audience. That's why we see all rookies fighting together (plus Guy and Kakashi) in the beginning of the movie to have a glimpse on how does the actual characters look like, so they can compare it later with AU characters. Smart move I'd say.

I think I'm more than happy with the movie. I surely hope everyone will enjoy it as much as I did.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought about the intro of the movie. I noticed that the intro shows everyone of their personalities. You see Shikamaru being smart, Ino being angry, Chouji for being big and probably think food, Gai and Lee being energized and hyped, Neji is a genius and serious, Tenten being weapon technician, Kakashi being calm and collective, Kiba with his dog who he cherishes, Hinata being shy and quiet, Shino with bugs, Sai using art for battles, and so on. So yeah, he did a good job on that part.

Ah! I hate you for making me want to see the movie more than ever now! Now we learn some new stuff. So it was true about Sakura said something that brought Naruto back to reality. I think the moment she was captured was a wake up call to him. That and the reactions of the people on Sakura's captured. Yeah, NaruSaku or riot!

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

@Paptala

No worries. Glad to share NaruSaku goodness too

The inevitable parallel --Click here to view--

As for the bridal save, I figured that it would be something quick - did it have as much emphasis as Naruto's bridal save of Sakura during the confrontation with Sasuke, would you say (in the anime)?
>> if you put it on scale, personally I'd say anime emphasize: 8, RtN emphasize: 4. Brief, but full of intent (focus is on Sakura and Naruto, no other stuff on the screen).

Also (and I know this was already asked to dovakiin but) did you also feel as though Kishi was trying to show parallels between MinaKushi and NaruSaku, especially with the last battle?

>> Definitely. As I said, it's very difficult to be unbiased the fighting scene was reenactment of MinaKushi. To me, it is clear that Kishi is emphasizing on the parallel. Proven by flashback and how it is happening now. Some of the similarities:
- Flashback of Minato wearing hokage robe to save his loved one (Kushina)
- Naruto wearing hokage robe the exact same way as Minato is doing to save his loved one (Sakura). To give you the context, Menma was looking for Red Moon Sphere. Tsunade didn't give it. So, he took Sakura as a hostage in exchange for the sphere. Naruto remembered Sakura's speech, which make him realized that he should go back to the real world. He was determined to save Sakura and straightly go after her, without second thoughts.
- Flashback of Kushina being chained by Madara
- Sakura is chained by Madara the same way Kushina was chained.

All in all, it was the same context, but different actors. You can see that Kishi indeed pushing the 'parallel' agenda. Then again, it's difficult to be unbiased

Red Moon Sphere, spoiler inside spoiler --Click here to view--

This sphere was retrieved by Jiraiya, since the old frog save made a prophecy that it will be needed to stop legendary beast master (I.e. Menma). But he was badly injured in the process and died, before he died, he keep it in the place and have his summons guard it. Tsunade give instruction to Minato & Kushina to retrieve it and they tagged along Naruto and Sakura (since Naruto insist). That's why we see Gamabunta is guarding the place.

Its interesting to hear that Menma also appears to like AU!Sakura (and from Minato and Kushina's teasing of Naruto, it really does seem that way) - funny how the only one that doesn't seem to feel the same in the new world is AU!Sakura - she appears to have no feelings for AU!Sasuke at all, and only associates him with a playboy. Hinata still likes Naruto, Menma still likes Sakura, Sasuke still treats Sakura just like all of his other fangirls, but AU!Sakura has apparently no interest in Sakura. Perhaps Kishi is trying to say something with that, no?

>> Agree. Kishi is very cautious with this sort of thing. If I'm not mistaken, anime special 'Road to Sakura' never mention Menma as well, but they did mention Sasuke (which Sakura directly associate with playboy). Clever move.

It's also interesting to hear that Hinata herself asked if Naruto and Sakura were on a date and that she blushed/stuttered over the question (I thought that it was just Kiba who asked, and Hinata threatened to kill Sakura before she could react to the question). <3

>> In fact if I remember correctly, both Kiba and Hinata were suspecting they are on a date. And then Shino was like "if a boy and a girl is alone at the park then ..." suddenly Hinata cut off by saying "They are running away!" both Hinata and Kiba started to chase them, while Shino is saying "... I hate to be ignored". It was hilarious. Audience need to understand that it was just for pure comedy purpose. But still, Sakura blushing about her date question with Naruto is rather cute.

The RTN was mroe like a reboot of kurama's attack with naruto and sakura being the main casters, is a good movie for a NS fan he was very cautious with the movie, AU!sakura does not have romantic feelings for sasuke but we already knew that since sasuke is a playboy and it would not work with her, but the difference is sakura was the hero's daughter and menma's affection for AU!sakura is because she was a inspiration for him to become stronger.
Much like naruto and sasuke rival relantionship, menma wanted to be acknowledged by AU!sakura.
I personally didnt like the AU!sakura and menma's it seems a bit complicated to understand.

[Paptala]

@Paptala

No worries. Glad to share NaruSaku goodness too

1 --Click here to view--

As for the bridal save, I figured that it would be something quick - did it have as much emphasis as Naruto's bridal save of Sakura during the confrontation with Sasuke, would you say (in the anime)?
>> if you put it on scale, personally I'd say anime emphasize: 8, RtN emphasize: 4. Brief, but full of intent (focus is on Sakura and Naruto, no other stuff on the screen).

Ah, I see - thanks for the comparison I like the intent, and the descriptions of how Sakura reacts to it all, regardless of length.

2 --Click here to view--

Also (and I know this was already asked to dovakiin but) did you also feel as though Kishi was trying to show parallels between MinaKushi and NaruSaku, especially with the last battle?

>> Definitely. As I said, it's very difficult to be unbiased the fighting scene was reenactment of MinaKushi. To me, it is clear that Kishi is emphasizing on the parallel. Proven by flashback and how it is happening now. Some of the similarities:
- Flashback of Minato wearing hokage robe to save his loved one (Kushina)
- Naruto wearing hokage robe the exact same way as Minato is doing to save his loved one (Sakura). To give you the context, Menma was looking for Red Moon Sphere. Tsunade didn't give it. So, he took Sakura as a hostage in exchange for the sphere. Naruto remembered Sakura's speech, which make him realized that he should go back to the real world. He was determined to save Sakura and straightly go after her, without second thoughts.
- Flashback of Kushina being chained by Madara
- Sakura is chained by Madara the same way Kushina was chained.

Great to hear it confirmed again! So wait, did they have the flashback of Kushina being chained up by Madara right before showing Sakura, like they had the flashback of Minato putting on the hokage robe right before they show Naruto putting on the robe in the exact same way? If so, that would the parallel absolutely undeniable!

3 --Click here to view--

>> In fact if I remember correctly, both Kiba and Hinata were suspecting they are on a date. And then Shino was like "if a boy and a girl is alone at the park then ..." suddenly Hinata cut off by saying "They areherself running away!" both Hinata and Kiba started to chase them, while Shino is saying "... I hate to be ignored". It was hilarious. Audience need to understand that it was just for pure comedy purpose. But still, Sakura blushing about her date question with Naruto is rather cute.

Sakura's reaction does indeed sound adorable!

That's right. I also think it's a bit too much, but it is a necessary evil, given the movie is targeted to general audience. That's why we see all rookies fighting together (plus Guy and Kakashi) in the beginning of the movie to have a glimpse on how does the actual characters look like, so they can compare it later with AU characters. Smart move I'd say.

That makes a lot of sense actually - I agree, its a very clever way to let the viewers who are not as familiar with Naruto to better understand the story.

I think I'm more than happy with the movie. I surely hope everyone will enjoy it as much as I did.

I'm sure they will - especially since the response its gotten has generally been positive - I don't think I've seen any reviews of it saying that they didn't care for the movie.

The RTN was mroe like a reboot of kurama's attack with naruto and sakura being the main casters, is a good movie for a NS fan he was very cautious with the movie, AU!sakura does not have romantic feelings for sasuke but we already knew that since sasuke is a playboy and it would not work with her, but the difference is sakura was the hero's daughter and menma's affection for AU!sakura is because she was a inspiration for him to become stronger.
Much like naruto and sasuke rival relantionship, menma wanted to be acknowledged by AU!sakura.
I personally didnt like the AU!sakura and menma's it seems a bit complicated to understand.

I thinks its just complicated because Kishi deliberately chose to skirt around that relationship rather than addressing - very interesting that Kishi chose to not have AU Sakura in the movie, interacting with Naruto or Menma at all...

Thanks again you two for putting up with our rather endless and repetitive questioning!

[TouKen4Life3g]

Ah, I see - thanks for the comparison I like the intent, and the descriptions of how Sakura reacts to it all, regardless of length.

I am with you. Plus the length is good enough to me if it is about 5 seconds. Actually, it's a perfect length for gif. I do like the fact it's solely based on them and nothing else. It's like Kishi is implying "Give them space everyone."

Great to hear it confirmed again! So wait, did they have the flashback of Kushina being chained up by Madara right before showing Sakura, like they had the flashback of Minato putting on the hokage robe right before they show Naruto putting on the robe in the exact same way? If so, that would the parallel absolutely undeniable!

Sakura's reaction does indeed sound adorable!

If he actually did that in terms of timing, I think Kishi needs a therapy on parallel addiction. I would like to know if that's really the case.

Oh man, now I got another moment I want to see. Her reaction should be cute. Funny how time has changed from Konohamaru telling Naruto that she's his girlfriend to now.

That makes a lot of sense actually - I agree, its a very clever way to let the viewers who are not as familiar with Naruto to better understand the story.

No doubt about it.

I'm sure they will - especially since the response its gotten has generally been positive - I don't think I've seen any reviews of it saying that they didn't care for the movie.

Same here. I know I'm going to enjoy this movie a lot, knowing the morale and how it all setup. NaruSaku moments are just icing the cake.

I thinks its just complicated because Kishi deliberately chose to skirt around that relationship rather than addressing - very interesting that Kishi chose to not have AU Sakura in the movie, interacting with Naruto or Menma at all...

Thanks again you two for putting up with our rather endless and repetitive questioning!

Yeah, like I said, Kishi really dodged the relationship aspect. Sometimes, AU! can really exposed the truth of real people's feelings and thoughts. For example, in one show, the other universe has the couple married as the real people are still single and not yet comes to their senses. So yeah, way to dodged the bullet, Kishi.

Yes, thank you for everything!

[Lucky Star]

Thank You davahkiin and Namaenash!!

Oh man, now I got another moment I want to see. Her reaction should be cute. Funny how time has changed from Konohamaru telling Naruto that she's his girlfriend to now.

Yep, so much development

[Namaenash]

Ah! I hate you for making me want to see the movie more than ever now! Now we learn some new stuff. So it was true about Sakura said something that brought Naruto back to reality. I think the moment she was captured was a wake up call to him. That and the reactions of the people on Sakura's captured. Yeah, NaruSaku or riot!

Let me make you hate me even more --Click here to view--

Lol. That's right, Sakura was very fierce and did a good job as a heroine --fighting alongside the hero and keep him in the line. Both made an equally good contribution that you can safely say, without Sakura, Naruto would never be able to survive and vice versa. The so called speech fits into the situation and it was nicely done. It brings Naruto back to the fact that they dont really belong to this place -- that, plus a flashback of the real Minato when Naruto first met him in manga canon.

Speaking of the AU universe. It's difficult to conclude whether Naruto and Sakura were trapped in genjutsu (it was only in their mind), or they were 'transported' to another universe (the universe physically exists). My personal opinion leaning towards the later -- that the AU physically exists. Madara keep mentioning that he created the universe, but he cant fully control it. I think they left it there for the audience to have their own idea.

Some of the facts that the AU physically exists:

- After the final battle, both Naruto and Sakura were back in Konoha to the same exact place they met Madara. There was no significant time difference. Naruto was still wearing the hokage robe Sakura gave him. Their body was also battered with scratches and all those --which was a proof that they physically fought and get injured. After a while, Sakura pointed out that the robe began fading away. The whole scene from farewell with AU Minato & AU Kushina was very touching. This scene (where the robe slowly fading away), gives a deeper meaning and symbolism in my opinion. It's difficult for me to describe, sorry, but the whole Naruto's speech was very touching. Oh, and every now and then we see Kishi shifted the focus from Naruto to Sakura, as if trying to say that Sakura is indeed THE witness of Naruto's journey (as a comparison, you can think of the chapter where Sakura learns from Chiyo that if Bijuu is removed from Jinchuuriki, the host will die). They can exclude that portion and the story would still flow, but the fact that they include it almost in every important scenes (e.g. when Naruto first met his AU Parent, when Kushina hugged Naruto, when Naruto bid farewell, etc) gives you an impression that shifting focus to Sakura is intentional. Then again, it's difficult to be unbiased

- The filler 'Road to Sakura' also supports that the AU does physically exist. AU Sakura was present in Konoha with literally everyone else interacting with her.

Great to hear it confirmed again! So wait, did they have the flashback of Kushina being chained up by Madara right before showing Sakura, like they had the flashback of Minato putting on the hokage robe right before they show Naruto putting on the robe in the exact same way? If so, that would the parallel absolutely undeniable!

Timing wise... --Click here to view--

... is not necessarily before the scene. But I think it is reasonably comparable. It doesn't take a genius to see the parallel intention

Edited by Namaenash, 21 October 2012 - 04:24 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Let me make you hate me even more --Click here to view--

Lol. That's right, Sakura was very fierce and did a good job as a heroine --fighting alongside the hero and keep him in the line. Both made an equally good contribution that you can safely say, without Sakura, Naruto would never be able to survive and vice versa. The so called speech fits into the situation and it was nicely done. It brings Naruto back to the fact that they dont really belong to this place -- that, plus a flashback of the real Minato when Naruto first met him in manga canon.

Speaking of the AU universe. It's difficult to conclude whether Naruto and Sakura were trapped in genjutsu (it was only in their mind), or they were 'transported' to another universe (the universe physically exists). My personal opinion leaning towards the later -- that the AU physically exists. Madara keep mentioning that he created the universe, but he cant fully control it. I think they left it there for the audience to have their own idea.

Some of the facts that the AU physically exists:

- After the final battle, both Naruto and Sakura were back in Konoha to the same exact place they met Madara. There was no significant time difference. Naruto was still wearing the hokage robe Sakura gave him. Their body was also battered with scratches and all those --which was a proof that they physically fought and get injured. After a while, Sakura pointed out that the robe began fading away. The whole scene from farewell with AU Minato & AU Kushina was very touching. This scene (where the robe slowly fading away), gives a deeper meaning and symbolism in my opinion. It's difficult for me to describe, sorry, but the whole Naruto's speech was very touching. Oh, and every now and then we see Kishi shifted the focus from Naruto to Sakura, as if trying to say that Sakura is indeed THE witness of Naruto's journey (as a comparison, you can think of the chapter where Sakura learns from Chiyo that if Bijuu is removed from Jinchuuriki, the host will die). They can exclude that portion and the story would still flow, but the fact that they include it almost in every important scenes (e.g. when Naruto first met his AU Parent, when Kushina hugged Naruto, when Naruto bid farewell, etc) gives you an impression that shifting focus to Sakura is intentional. Then again, it's difficult to be unbiased

- The filler 'Road to Sakura' also supports that the AU does physically exist. AU Sakura was present in Konoha with literally everyone else interacting with her.

Well that's why i told you that it's a bit complicated it does not physically exists, madara mentioned that sphere let him cast a limited tsukyomi it says "limited" he can't control the world fully but he can influence it like he did with menma, second sakura's road to ninja is a filler actually the story is filler but it was made by kishimoto so it may have some intent from him but it's not canon, it's not a part of the story.
On the filler there were a poster of road to ninja, i know that it's a bit confusing but i repeat it's a filler, it's not canon the AU! universe does not exist, tsukyomi is hard to understand it messes up with reality.
The robe began fading away because it was a mere illusion.

And plus the movie is not canon it's not a part of the story, naruto movies arent part of the story the difference is because it's made by kishi but still a filler, it's not canon you can see the author intent when regarding naruto and sakura but nothing more.

About time you know that in a tsukyomi a few days can last an eternity, itachi did it with kakashi , a few minutes he got struck during weeks on the itachi's genjutsu world.
AU! universe is not real but it was a mere trick for the movie, you know kishimoto could not bring his parents back to the living world he had to make a trick so tsukyomi was the most logical decision, trapping both naruto and sakura on the genjutsu world would give him the setting to run the movie with naruto's parents and create an interaction between them without being weird and out of place.

Edited by dovahkiin, 21 October 2012 - 04:56 PM.

[Paptala]

Thanks again Namaenash for the details -- okay, not right before, but still obvious enough to draw the similarities - that's more than enough for me I mean, even an SS fan saw the parallel, so it still must be pretty obvious (and not just to NS fans who might be looking for those sort of things).

I love your description of Sakura's role in the movie - I agree, it really does sound like Naruto would not have wanted to leave the genjutsu/AU if it weren't for Sakura. She is very much his voice of reason, in contrast to his idealism. The more I hear about the movie, the more I think it showcases very well just how much Naruto and Sakura are suited for one another, and how good they are for one another.

As for whether the AU actually exists, I agree with Namaenash, I think it does. Both the Road to Sakura and Road to Ninja are filler, but both are created by Kishi and both tie into one another - otherwise, there is no explanation for where AU!Sakura was during the movie, or where Naruto and Sakura were during the filler episode. I think they were made to compliment one another.

It's possible of course that because it's only a limited genjutsu, that explains Madara/Obito's limited control over it, but as Namaenash pointed out, the injuries remaining over into the real world suggest that it is more than just a genjutsu (Kakashi did not have any injuries after Itachi's Tsukiyomi - none of the sword stab wounds, nor did any of Naruto's wounds from Itachi's genjutsu carry over when they face him in part 2 on the way to the sand).

Especially since we know now that Kamui accesses another dimension -- so perhaps maybe Madara/Obito dumped them in another dimension entirely to without meaning to -- or he created another universe entirely with the eye that took on a life of its own after its creation.

Edited by Paptala, 21 October 2012 - 06:57 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Thanks again Namaenash for the details -- okay, not right before, but still obvious enough to draw the similarities - that's more than enough for me I mean, even an SS fan saw the parallel, so it still must be pretty obvious (and not just to NS fans who might be looking for those sort of things).

I love your description of Sakura's role in the movie - I agree, it really does sound like Naruto would not have wanted to leave the genjutsu/AU if it weren't for Sakura. She is very much his voice of reason, in contrast to his idealism. The more I hear about the movie, the more I think it showcases very well just how much Naruto and Sakura are suited for one another, and how good they are for one another.

As for whether the AU actually exists, I agree with Namaenash, I think it does. Both the Road to Sakura and Road to Ninja are filler, but both are created by Kishi and both tie into one another - otherwise, there is no explanation for where AU!Sakura was during the movie, or where Naruto and Sakura were during the filler episode. I think they were made to compliment one another.

Since fillers are canon?
He made it clear that it was a tsukyomi, it does not exist it may have put AU!sakura wich is an genjutsu on reality but it does not exist. I do not think it's an kind of alternative universe because if it were an alternative tobi could manifest itself instead of using menma he could control that world but not fully, it's a tsukyomie and it's his creation wich have a limited lifetime ( that stone), that stone has the power to create a limited tsukyomi so he could create that world with a limited time of use it was a mere experience, does not matter if kishi created it or no, a filler is a filler it's not canon.

Edited by dovahkiin, 21 October 2012 - 08:30 PM.

[Paptala]

Since fillers are canon?
He made it clear that it was a tsukyomi, it does not exist it may have put AU!sakura wich is an genjutsu on reality but it does not exist. I do not think it's an kind of alternative universe because if it were an alternative tobi could manifest itself instead of using menma he could control that world but not fully, it's a tsukyomie and it's his creation wich have a limited lifetime ( that stone), that stone has the power to create a limited tsukyomi so he could create that world with a limited time of use it was a mere experience, does not matter if kishi created it or no, a filler is a filler it's not canon.

No, its filler, but its filler made by Kishi - the two are clearly meant to be connected, flip sides of the story.

Yes, he does say clearly that its a limited moons eye plan genjutsu, but what is said is different from what is shown. AU!Sakura interacted with characters in the real universe physically - how can an illusion loose memories and hug real people? How would Naruto and Sakura's injuries remain when they fade back to their real world? Those two facts especially contradict it just being a normal genjutsu - idk, it could just be plot holes. Or it could be that this genjutsu is so much more powerful that it can do things normal genjutsu (even Tsukiyomi) cannot.

Edited by Paptala, 21 October 2012 - 10:04 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

No, its filler, but its filler made by Kishi - the two are clearly meant to be connected, flip sides of the story.

Yes, he does say clearly that its a limited moons eye plan genjutsu, but what is said is different from what is shown. AU!Sakura interacted with characters in the real universe physically - how can an illusion loose memories and hug real people? How would Naruto and Sakura's injuries remain when they fade back to their real world? Those two facts especially contradict it just being a normal genjutsu - idk, it could just be plot holes. Or it could be that this genjutsu is so much more powerful that it can do things normal genjutsu (even Tsukiyomi) cannot.

yes i know b ut what i say is it's a tsukyomi that AU!sakura is an illusion for some reaosn that jutsus distorced reality itself and bring AU!sakura wich is a part of a tsukyomi to the real world.