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#6181 FoolishYoungling

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 03:22 AM

QUOTE (Anguyen92 @ Oct 23 2011, 03:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yep, they do dress similar except compared to their clothes, its like inverted to the other. I can't quite describe it though, I'm no fashion expert. Sigh, if only there was/going to be a time where Kushina and Sakura would interact somehow and someway like in a vision or something like that. I'm sure Kushina would really love Sakura, especially if she knows Sakura's connection to Naruto.

But what if Kishina acted different to girls than she did to guys.. example..
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Sakura: you look lovely Naruto's mom.
Kushina: call me Kushina..
Sakura: okay! happy.gif
Kushina: now that I can see you.. may i ask you a favor?
Sakura: yeah!?
Kushina: Make my kid some babies! *demanding demonic voice*
Sakura: uhhh.. okayyyy?

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 03:25 AM

QUOTE (Boom...Winning @ Oct 22 2011, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks for posting that list! I didn't start reading the manga till Part II, so there's a lot of N/S stuff I've forgotten about, or just didn't happen in the anime. It's nice to see our pairing was standing on decent footing even in the beginning of the manga. happy.gif

Oh no problem! I have an very long list of NS moments actually in written form (I'm largely too lazy to find the panels again, so I wrote out NS moments instead). There is a lot more where those few things came from really; that is just a list of traits I found particularly 'similar' about them. I have other traits I listed for specific scenes, including 'complimentary', 'care', 'impressed', 'understanding' and other positive moments. There are a lot, so I do encourage you to read the manga! It did give a very good NS foundation, to be honest. Not to mention a lot of observations about Naruto's character are done from Sakura's perspective. I feel we get a lot less insight on Sakura's feelings in part II compared to I, which might be purposeful. If you are familiar with NF, the NaruSaku fanclub there has a link to a photobucket compilation of all the part I NS moments so you could view them that way without having to go through all of part I if you didn't want to.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 03:57 AM

Topic: when will the next NS moment be?

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 05:18 AM

Not sure if it was mentioned, but remember how we were "arguing" over Sakuras personality being similar to Narutos? Well, here's another one: This link was posted earlier, but I'm not sure if it was actually related to the late conversation. http://i14.mangaread...uto-1568957.jpg
Sakura denies that she "likes that stuff." when in reality, it's clear she does - even Konohamaru notices it. wink.gif She's too overpowered on being that "mature" figure in front of the boys who can handle any situation. It slips sometimes, maybe cause she's so comfortable with Naruto and the new team 7.

Edit:
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I think the top panel explains how Sakura TRULY feels about Naruto in the earlier days.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 09:00 AM

QUOTE (Densetsu-Kun @ Oct 23 2011, 02:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But back to this topic... Firstly, when I said different... I meant that their views, attitudes, etc. They're all completely different... Now that would complement each other in most pairings, but they're both way too Seme for it to complement!

I could honestly just see a relationship between them being made up of arguments over the light bill and ANGRY SEXTM

While they are friendly with each other, most friends don't knock each other a few miles away (no matter how funny it seems) And yes they do talk with each other a lot, what would they talk about in their relationship? Do they have a good sense of empathy? Damn right they do... But empathy can only get you so far, if you're too pig-headed or angry to do anything about it you're hurting yourself and the person you're supposed to care about!

With NaruHina (using it as an example, because everybody believes I'm a NaruHina fan ¬_¬) They are ALSO different, but they complement each other.

Hinata's calm nature would sooth Naruto's anger if he were to get angry (from the past, we've seen how much of a problem that is...) and Naruto's boisterous personality would break Hinata free from her shy inner shell...

Hinata has never been abusive to Naruto (aside from an accidental headbutt), Naruto and Hinata would be able to form a relationship from scratch, which is MILES better than carrying some baggage and finally Hinata seems to know Naruto inside and out (STALKER ALERT!!!) but Naruto does need to improve how well he knows Hinata's emotions...

Both pairings have their flaws but a NaruHina relationship would be more realistic and balanced than a NaruSaku one...

@NaruSaku1 That's not actually true... Sakura cares more for Naruto's wellbeing than his opinion. Don't get me wrong, his opinion does matter to her, but Naruto wouldn't let his opinion override hers and she knows better than anyone not to try and change Naruto's mind, once he's determined...

Oh and as much as the Kushina sentiment means a lot to Naruto, his unbelievably thickheaded nature would not allow him to interpret that properly, and his own drive and determination would convince him that he was doing the right thing... Unless of course Iruka or Hinata stated otherwise, which would make a hell of a plot twist tongue.gif



I must say, despite all your "jumping" over the place posts, you show a lot of deep and mature analysis happy.gif

Now, onto the countering of your points:

FIRST and foremost, if you're taking Sakura's hitting Naruto as serious, then you're off it completely. The hitting thing is something very much used in Japanese manga as comic relief, NOT AS ABUSE. In fact, I would say that Sakura's 'hitting' is quite tame if you would compare it with other mangas (example, City Hunter, Kaori hitting Kyo is frightening!)

Characters difference: I would say Sakura's character / personality is EXACTLY what Naruto needs. Naruto is boisterous, impulsive and tend to act without thinking. What he needs in a mate / wife /girlfriend is someone with s strong personality to PIN him down and bring him to his senses.
Sakura can do that (she's the only one who can do that), whereas Hinata will always let Naruto run wild.
IN the worst case of Naruhina happening, I can see that Sakura would always have a much greater influence / role / say in Naruto's life than Hinata even as his wife.

Hinata will always be lost besides the shining personality of Naruto, or, worse still, Naruto's character will get dull besides Hinata.

And I disagree that Naruto's loses his temper often (in the real sense of the term.) He screams/yells a lot and charge blindly, but he is emotional, not temperamental.


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Posted 23 October 2011 - 10:46 AM

QUOTE (iamfenris @ Oct 23 2011, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not sure if it was mentioned, but remember how we were "arguing" over Sakuras personality being similar to Narutos? Well, here's another one: This link was posted earlier, but I'm not sure if it was actually related to the late conversation. http://i14.mangaread...uto-1568957.jpg
Sakura denies that she "likes that stuff." when in reality, it's clear she does - even Konohamaru notices it. wink.gif She's too overpowered on being that "mature" figure in front of the boys who can handle any situation. It slips sometimes, maybe cause she's so comfortable with Naruto and the new team 7.

Edit:
http://i1.mangareade...uto-1565321.jpg

I think the top panel explains how Sakura TRULY feels about Naruto in the earlier days.

Hurr hurr hurr... pictureem0.gif

True though... she does get pretty touchy with those type of subjects... supposedly because she's meant to be the "sensible" and "the one who's always in line" type of gal... but this shows that she may be a closet yaoi fangirl [your secret is safe with us, Sakura] XD too bad they cut it out in the anime sad.gif rawr.gif

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 05:30 PM

QUOTE (Miss Soupy @ Oct 23 2011, 02:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes I did! I sent you a PM! Well, just in case something happened to it, I'll just tell you now XD It is from Blue Exorcist. The anime is awesome, and the manga is ongoing. Everyone should check it out!


Thanks i started reading It's quite good! laugh.gif

QUOTE (NaruSaku1 @ Oct 23 2011, 03:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes, but what if Naruto was in there too with a threesome going on... Sakura would nosebleed so hard that she would die! happy.gif


BUT Naruto would just beat the S*** outta Konohamaru.... mellow.gif

QUOTE (NaruSaku1 @ Oct 23 2011, 03:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But what if Kishina acted different to girls than she did to guys.. example..
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Sakura: you look lovely Naruto's mom.
Kushina: call me Kushina..
Sakura: okay! happy.gif
Kushina: now that I can see you.. may i ask you a favor?
Sakura: yeah!?
Kushina: Make my kid some babies! *demanding demonic voice*
Sakura: uhhh.. okayyyy?


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QUOTE (SakuraUzumaki417 @ Oct 23 2011, 04:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Probably not for around 10 - 15 chapters.
But things are getting really exciting so i'm not dissapointed/ don't notice the lack of NS moments.


I noticed. Smashed a lamp for every chapter that passed by without since the last one shamefulcry0js.gif

QUOTE (ChidoriLuv @ Oct 23 2011, 10:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hurr hurr hurr... pictureem0.gif

True though... she does get pretty touchy with those type of subjects... supposedly because she's meant to be the "sensible" and "the one who's always in line" type of gal... but this shows that she may be a closet yaoi fangirl [your secret is safe with us, Sakura] XD too bad they cut it out in the anime sad.gif rawr.gif


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Posted 24 October 2011 - 07:32 PM

QUOTE (Densetsu-Kun @ Oct 22 2011, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@Anguyen (I'm gonna give you a brohug because we've both been there...)

But back to this topic... Firstly, when I said different... I meant that their views, attitudes, etc. They're all completely different... Now that would complement each other in most pairings, but they're both way too Seme for it to complement!

I could honestly just see a relationship between them being made up of arguments over the light bill and ANGRY SEXTM

While they are friendly with each other, most friends don't knock each other a few miles away (no matter how funny it seems) And yes they do talk with each other a lot, what would they talk about in their relationship? Do they have a good sense of empathy? Damn right they do... But empathy can only get you so far, if you're too pig-headed or angry to do anything about it you're hurting yourself and the person you're supposed to care about!

With NaruHina (using it as an example, because everybody believes I'm a NaruHina fan ¬_¬) They are ALSO different, but they complement each other.

Hinata's calm nature would sooth Naruto's anger if he were to get angry (from the past, we've seen how much of a problem that is...) and Naruto's boisterous personality would break Hinata free from her shy inner shell...

Hinata has never been abusive to Naruto (aside from an accidental headbutt), Naruto and Hinata would be able to form a relationship from scratch, which is MILES better than carrying some baggage and finally Hinata seems to know Naruto inside and out (STALKER ALERT!!!) but Naruto does need to improve how well he knows Hinata's emotions...

Both pairings have their flaws but a NaruHina relationship would be more realistic and balanced than a NaruSaku one...

@NaruSaku1 That's not actually true... Sakura cares more for Naruto's wellbeing than his opinion. Don't get me wrong, his opinion does matter to her, but Naruto wouldn't let his opinion override hers and she knows better than anyone not to try and change Naruto's mind, once he's determined...

Oh and as much as the Kushina sentiment means a lot to Naruto, his unbelievably thickheaded nature would not allow him to interpret that properly, and his own drive and determination would convince him that he was doing the right thing... Unless of course Iruka or Hinata stated otherwise, which would make a hell of a plot twist tongue.gif


Naruto doesn't like someone calm and quiet like Hinata, she's the kind of person who won't argue with him. She will just agree with everything he says for someone like Naruto he will eventually become boring of her. Also Hinata hitting Naruto with the headbutt that was a filler.
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Posted 24 October 2011 - 07:37 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Oct 24 2011, 12:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also Hinata hitting Naruto with the headbutt that was a filler.


Well, the hardcore naruhina fans always used filler as a means to support their case, but it seems like that they try to stray away from that moment which I don't blame them too much, but something like that is kinda hypocritical.

But really, what does Naruto have to gain for himself by being with Hinata anyway, other than the whole she might calm him down which is kinda 50-50. Either she will calm him down, which has to require some sort of assertion, which unfortunately she does not have or have enough of, or he will run her over figuratively and Hinata would just agree with everything, which is not really what defines a relationship.

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 08:00 PM

QUOTE (BabyVee @ Oct 24 2011, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But what really irks me is Naruto is even subjected to character bashing to make Hinata look better but some fans. I seriously saw someone say that it was basically Naruto's fault Hinata didn't land a hit on Pein. Seriously . Apparently by noticing her in the panel before Pein did, he was the reason Pein was alerted to Hinata's presence and managed to dodge her hit.


Hahahahahahaha. Wow that's the greatest fail ever. I wonder if this person even reads or watches Naruto? I mean seriously, Pain is a ninja with the Rinnegan. He would have seen her coming. Even Jiraiya had a hard time sneaking up on the bodies. But even if Hinata had succeeded, I can guarantee that Pain's taijutsu would have alone destroyed her.
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Posted 24 October 2011 - 08:12 PM

QUOTE (Densetsu-Kun @ Oct 22 2011, 10:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@Anguyen (I'm gonna give you a brohug because we've both been there...)

But back to this topic... Firstly, when I said different... I meant that their views, attitudes, etc. They're all completely different... Now that would complement each other in most pairings, but they're both way too Seme for it to complement!

I could honestly just see a relationship between them being made up of arguments over the light bill and ANGRY SEXTM

While they are friendly with each other, most friends don't knock each other a few miles away (no matter how funny it seems) And yes they do talk with each other a lot, what would they talk about in their relationship? Do they have a good sense of empathy? Damn right they do... But empathy can only get you so far, if you're too pig-headed or angry to do anything about it you're hurting yourself and the person you're supposed to care about!

With NaruHina (using it as an example, because everybody believes I'm a NaruHina fan ¬_¬) They are ALSO different, but they complement each other.

Hinata's calm nature would sooth Naruto's anger if he were to get angry (from the past, we've seen how much of a problem that is...) and Naruto's boisterous personality would break Hinata free from her shy inner shell...

Hinata has never been abusive to Naruto (aside from an accidental headbutt), Naruto and Hinata would be able to form a relationship from scratch, which is MILES better than carrying some baggage and finally Hinata seems to know Naruto inside and out (STALKER ALERT!!!) but Naruto does need to improve how well he knows Hinata's emotions...

Both pairings have their flaws but a NaruHina relationship would be more realistic and balanced than a NaruSaku one...

@NaruSaku1 That's not actually true... Sakura cares more for Naruto's wellbeing than his opinion. Don't get me wrong, his opinion does matter to her, but Naruto wouldn't let his opinion override hers and she knows better than anyone not to try and change Naruto's mind, once he's determined...

Oh and as much as the Kushina sentiment means a lot to Naruto, his unbelievably thickheaded nature would not allow him to interpret that properly, and his own drive and determination would convince him that he was doing the right thing... Unless of course Iruka or Hinata stated otherwise, which would make a hell of a plot twist tongue.gif


This actually is COMING from a NS fan? mellow.gif or maybye you're not? mellow.gif not trying to start something here just wondering ermm.gif besides if you've read any manga at all you'd know tsundere's are almost ALWAYS similar to their love interests personality wise and care for them deeply, keep them in line, boost their morale etc. they just DO or ACT the opposite of what they FEEL

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 08:46 PM

QUOTE (Phantom_999 @ Oct 24 2011, 01:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This actually is COMING from a NS fan? mellow.gif or maybye you're not? mellow.gif not trying to start something here just wondering ermm.gif besides if you've read any manga at all you'd know tsundere's are almost ALWAYS similar to their love interests personality wise and care for them deeply, keep them in line, boost their morale etc. they just DO or ACT the opposite of what they FEEL


I will have to agree there's nothing wrong if he's really a NH fan we're all free to share our opinions we will always agree and disagree that's what a debate is all about. But I don't like that he "claims" he's '"suppossedly" a NS fan with the way he's putting NH on high standards. I think he should be honest and admitt that he's a fan of the opposite fandom I don't have a problem with it, but he should stop claiming that's he's a supporter of our pairing because that will be "hypocrite".
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Posted 24 October 2011 - 08:46 PM

QUOTE (Densetsu-Kun @ Oct 22 2011, 05:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
O.o You're good...

But I might as well have a crack at it... let's see...

We all know Sakura cares for Naruto, but she also cares for everyone she's around as well... They might have a very strong bond but that doesn't necessarily mean that they will end up with each other... Naruto may forever be banished to the "friend-zone"...

Besides, with all their bickering and stuff it seems to be resembling sibling love more than actual love... And Sakura's "faux" confession seems to be evidence of her putting her own interests aside and trying to stop Naruto from getting hurt as opposed to trying to get her feelings across...

Also, we have to take into account Naruto's mentality... To him, Sasuke is his nakama, and his nakama are more important to him than he is to himself (The Cloud Ninja pounding on him is evidence of this mentality... and pretty much everything else in the manga...) Naruto knows that Sakura loves Sasuke (or at least has been given that impression) so why would he get in the way of what his Nakama (i.e. Sakura and possibly Sasuke) wants...

Finally, Naruto and Sakura are just TOO different... I think the only thing they have in common is that their both loud and that they both care about their Nakama... They clash way too much for anything more than a friendship to develop and if their relationship gets broken up, then their friendship is more than likely to follow and that will ruin the team dynamic...

Naruto and Sakura are more than responsible enough to know that breaking up the team EVEN FURTHER is not an option...

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This.... rolleyes.gif Makes you sound as if you know nothing about relationships of any sort. Relationships do not follow a certain pattern. Opposites work just as much as similarities. It's really about the individuals and what they like. I know married couples who constantly bicker, but that's how they are. It's like a game to them and the act of butting heads only serves to deepen their connection.

Naruto still loves Sakura. When Sai questioned him about it, he said that he could not declare his feelings if he couldn't even bring back Sasuke. It's a pride thing and until Naruto, "the guy who never gives up," says I've moved on then I'm going to assume that he hasn't. (This would be the counter argument that basically derails Naruto changing minds about who he loves)

As for Sakura's confession. You say as if putting aside your personal feelings for someone else's benefit isn't love. If it isn't, then may I ask you...what is love? (See what I did thar cool.gif)
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Posted 24 October 2011 - 08:47 PM

What Densetsu is saying really makes no sense to me. Naruto and Hinata have no development together. While Sakura, also may seem to go against Narutos statements or thoughts, her Inner Sakura actually agrees with them, and thinks they're cool. This was proven here:

http://i1.mangareade...uto-1565321.jpg

Naruto and Hinata, like I said, have NO development together, at all - besides filler that is, because it's obvious some people of Pierot like to make it seem they've got a thing going on. The only NH I see is focused on Hinatas feelings. Not Naruto himself. It's all centered around Hinatas feelings. Not Narutos. She only recently started appearing in the manga because of her confession and the war. I'm not saying this because I'm a NS fan, but I've even personally read some NH fans say that they believe fully and whole heartedly in their fandom and pairing, but they know it's not going to happen because Naruto loves Sakura. Theres been a development for the two on the back burner the whole entire time the manga has been going on. Most fans don't see it, but like Amy-chan said a few pages ago, there's a WHOLE photobucket account with EACH chapter that has development for the two growing closer together. Not nessacarily moments, but you can see the bond they share, and also the moments.

http://s36.photobuck.../NaruSakuManga/

Make sure to go on Sub-albums.

It goes up to the late 400's.

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 09:21 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Oct 24 2011, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I will have to agree there's nothing wrong if he's really a NH fan we're all free to share our opinions we will always agree and disagree that's what a debate is all about. But I don't like that he "claims" he's '"suppossedly" a NS fan with the way he's putting NH on high standards. I think he should be honest and admitt that he's a fan of the opposite fandom I don't have a problem with it, but he should stop claiming that's he's a supporter of our pairing because that will be "hypocrite".


I was gonna let everything slide, but then your comment happened ¬_¬

I'm not an NH fan nor am I an NS fan, I probably don't even support any pairing, I just believe that NS is the most likely to become canon...

However, due to the fact that everyone is on the side of NS, I decided to be the "Devil's Advocate" and fight for EVERY OTHER PAIRING, DATTEBAYO!!!

Anyway, I'm pretty much done with debating for now, I can't really think of a decent counter-argument... I just wish that everyone would stop being angry with me for arguing for a different point of view O.o

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 09:23 PM

QUOTE (Densetsu-Kun @ Oct 24 2011, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anyway, I'm pretty much done with debating for now, I can't really think of a decent counter-argument... I just wish that everyone would stop being angry with me for arguing for a different point of view O.o

They're not mad at you for that, they're mad at you for arguing a different point of view in a non-effective way at certain times. That's just my guess, anyways.

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 09:29 PM

QUOTE (zacrathedemon5 @ Oct 24 2011, 10:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They're not mad at you for that, they're mad at you for arguing a different point of view in a non-effective way at certain times. That's just my guess, anyways.


Ineffective or otherwise, it's still a valid point that has yet to be truly debated because it's a fact and it can't be debated... But like I said before, I'm done debating, I'm probably just gonna post some links about bands I like and stuff :3

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 09:55 PM

QUOTE (Densetsu-Kun @ Oct 24 2011, 02:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was gonna let everything slide, but then your comment happened ¬_¬

I'm not an NH fan nor am I an NS fan, I probably don't even support any pairing, I just believe that NS is the most likely to become canon...

However, due to the fact that everyone is on the side of NS, I decided to be the "Devil's Advocate" and fight for EVERY OTHER PAIRING, DATTEBAYO!!!

Anyway, I'm pretty much done with debating for now, I can't really think of a decent counter-argument... I just wish that everyone would stop being angry with me for arguing for a different point of view O.o


I didn't meant to offend you or anything but I really don't have a problem if you're a supporter for all pairings. biggrin.gif
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#6199 FoolishYoungling

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 09:58 PM

QUOTE (Densetsu-Kun @ Oct 24 2011, 10:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ineffective or otherwise, it's still a valid point that has yet to be truly debated because it's a fact and it can't be debated... But like I said before, I'm done debating, I'm probably just gonna post some links about bands I like and stuff :3

we arn't mad at you, we just know how to correct statements made, thats what debating is all about..

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#6200 Greed-Sama

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 09:58 PM

QUOTE (Densetsu-Kun @ Oct 24 2011, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ineffective or otherwise, it's still a valid point that has yet to be truly debated because it's a fact and it can't be debated... But like I said before, I'm done debating, I'm probably just gonna post some links about bands I like and stuff :3


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