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[rikakim94]

Kishi quote of the week: "We saw the Japan Air Self-Defense Force aerobatic team Blue Impulse from my studio. My whole family got super excited."

 

Sounds like Minato had a say in what the Japan Air Self-Defense Force aerobatic team Blue Impulse would call themselves. 

 

Were do you get the quotes can i see a link?

[Gojira]

I don't really care if Sakura and Kakashi are there for a purpose I just want this war to end already so far we've reached like the 5th climax so far and we still have another villain to go before we start wrapping things up.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

HIGHSCHOOL DXD 3 SEASON CONFIRMED GG.

[Rozette]

 

Were do you get the quotes can i see a link?

 

They are in each week's issue of Shonen Jump. 

[rikakim94]

When i was on tumblr i came across this picture.

 

You know a fan artist doing more justice to sakura as a herione/character than kishi is making me very very bitter. Just how long do we as a  audience have to wait until sakura acts like a consistent herione? No herione in any other manga series/tv shows/cartoons have i,ve seen as poorly poorly written as sakura. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited by rikakim94, 16 June 2014 - 07:22 PM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Yet it's your personal opinion.
Otaru talked that it's the way the story goes, no matter what Sasuke thinks and do, he will be redeemed and will be back.
He will be a good person from Kishimoto's and the story perspective even if the audience thinks he's not.
Obito is an example of this, he killed a lot of people, was responsabe for Naruto being an orphan and his suffering and yet he become "good" despite being pretty cheap.

Sasuke is the same, we got countless of flashbacks with him thinking of the team 7, when Karin was going to die, when Kakashi asked him to look on his heart during the summit, and when Sasuke returned to the village and Orochimaru said that he was coming with terms about his feelings.
And it's pretty much stated that his goals are more important.
For him, he doesnt care about Kakashi, Sakura and Naruto or his friends because he cares about his goal.
But it's shown that deep inside he has "feelings" for them on which he rejects.
That's the hint that allows me to say he will be redeemed.

I never said Kishimoto isn't going that way. What I said was; for readers to look at it and go "Oh wow, thats totally realistic, Sasuke totally deserves that forgiveness" is BS, and for them to look at Sasuke RIGHT NOW as of 680 and say he cares is them not paying attention to the source material.

Sasuke didn't care. He didn't try to save them, he didn't worry about them. He would have been FINE if they died. If he wouldn't have been, he would have tried to save them like Naruto did.

Sasuke. Does. Not. Care. 

in order for him to be redeemed, he has to care. Thats what I'm saying. 

[Otaru]

It still doesn't make him a good person. It still doesn't make him a good friend, it still doesn't make him a decent human being.

Do you see what people are saying yet? just because Sakura, Naruto and  Kakashi love Sasuke does not mean it makes him a good guy, a good friend,a good person or a Hero.

Also, Obito is not redeemed. What he did he's yet to do anything significant to make up for it. 

 

I really don't agree with you about that.

IMO, he made wrong choices because he was suffering. It doesn't make him a bad person.

He made a lot of bad things, but the fact that he was manipulated and suffering strongly atones what he has done.

Even in our system of justice, circumstances are important and can change the issue of a trial.

Because as humans, we MUST use understanding with others.

 

Sasuke is not a good guy, but he's neither a bad guy to me. He's broken. He's not a hero, he's not admired like Naruto, that is true, and I never said this. But he will be forgiven because people will understand his circumstances.

Obito is already redeemed by Naruto, Minato and Kakashi. Even Sakura thanked him because he saved Naruto.

A lot of persons are understanding why he has done all these bad things, and he has started to do things that atone what he has done before.

 

Kishimoto will redeemed him, it's obvious. And it will be the same with Sasuke.

The message of Kishimoto is, IMO, a message of peace, forgiving and understanding.

 

 

I never said Kishimoto isn't going that way. What I said was; for readers to look at it and go "Oh wow, thats totally realistic, Sasuke totally deserves that forgiveness" is BS, and for them to look at Sasuke RIGHT NOW as of 680 and say he cares is them not paying attention to the source material.

Sasuke didn't care. He didn't try to save them, he didn't worry about them. He would have been FINE if they died. If he wouldn't have been, he would have tried to save them like Naruto did.

Sasuke. Does. Not. Care. 

in order for him to be redeemed, he has to care. Thats what I'm saying. 

 

I never said that. I never said it was realistic, I only talked about Kishimoto's message.

Personally, I think it's a beautiful message and that it should be followed in our world instead of banning those we consider "bad" because they are only the fruit of our corrupted society.

I said right now, Sasuke doesn't care. I think he's lying to himself. I think he has buried his memories and that he is blinded by his goals.
If readers find this cheap, then I'm sad for Kishimoto, because his message will never be understood.

 

 

Yet it's your personal opinion.
Otaru talked that it's the way the story goes, no matter what Sasuke thinks and do, he will be redeemed and will be back.
He will be a good person from Kishimoto's and the story perspective even if the audience thinks he's not.
Obito is an example of this, he killed a lot of people, was responsabe for Naruto being an orphan and his suffering and yet he become "good" despite being pretty cheap.

Sasuke is the same, we got countless of flashbacks with him thinking of the team 7, when Karin was going to die, when Kakashi asked him to look on his heart during the summit, and when Sasuke returned to the village and Orochimaru said that he was coming with terms about his feelings.
And it's pretty much stated that his goals are more important.
For him, he doesnt care about Kakashi, Sakura and Naruto or his friends because he cares about his goal.
But it's shown that deep inside he has "feelings" for them on which he rejects.
That's the hint that allows me to say he will be redeemed.

 

Thank you that's exactly what I mean.

 

When I read a story, I like to interpret it through the prism of the author.  I think it's really important to understand the story itself and the author's message.

Edited by Otaru, 16 June 2014 - 11:07 PM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

 

I really don't agree with you about that.

IMO, he made wrong choices because he was suffering. It doesn't make him a bad person.

He made a lot of bad things, but the fact that he was manipulated and suffering strongly atones what he has done.

Even in our system of justice, circumstances are important and can change the issue of a trial.

Because as humans, we MUST use understanding with others.

 

Sasuke is not a good guy, but he's neither a bad guy to me. He's broken. He's not a hero, he's not admired like Naruto, that is true, and I never said this. But he will be forgiven because people will understand his circumstances.

Obito is already redeemed by Naruto, Minato and Kakashi. Even Sakura thanked him because he saved Naruto.

A lot of persons are understanding why he has done all these bad things, and he has started to do things that atone what he has done before.

 

Uhm...how about no. There is a reason why we have prisons, there is a reason why we don't release people back into society, why we put them on lists so that other people know what kind of person they are.

Obito has not been forgiven just because Sakura said "hey thanks for doing one good thing." hell, she still called him an enemy, and said "This time only." That doesn't sound redemption worthy. Redemption doesn't come from JUST changing your mind or your ways. It comes from making reparations and doing someone to offset the damages you've caused. He hasn't, Sasuke hasn't. Sasuke hasn't even acknowledged any wrong doing. He's still blaming everyone else. Ergo, not redeemed.

Its awfully hard to make up for killing people, and years of emotional pain. Like, really hard.  

Secondly again, lets say Sakura and Kakashi fell in the lava and died and Sasuke's response was "they don't matter, who cares?" which is exactly what he was going to let happen. Why are you ignoring that? Its pretty big deal. He COULD have saved them. He COULD have done something but his response was "Whateves." 

So in real  life if someone has a sob story, commits murder, treason, tries to destroy an entire population, and any number of other awful things they can be forgiven, allowed back into normal society.   Thats the lesson Kishimoto is giving us and its a crappy one. Its an awful thing to teach people because it can never happen, it SHOULDN'T happen.

Actions have consequences, Sasuke hasn't been negatively affected by a single one of his own bad choices, he can't own up to any of his actions. All he does is NEGATIVELY affect team 7, so why should he even be there? 

Kishimoto hasn't done jack to show that team 7 being back together is a good thing ( He's done the opposite. Crappy team work, lowered moral, overt jerkiness) that Sasuke brings anything good to the table or that he deserves to be there. Thats the problem. 

You don't get to do whatever you like just because you're a poor broken bird. You don't get special passes, because everyone got a sob story in Naruto. It's cheap. Kishimoto can write it all he likes, it doesn't make it GOOD. 

Also, If Sasuke is "lying to himself" that means he DOES care, he just doesn't want to admit it, or acknowledge it. 

He's not lying, HE DOESN'T CARE. Sakura and Kakashi for a split second, could have been dead, he didn't even look until Naruto said something. His body didn't move to do a thing for them. You're mind might not admit something, but your body can move all on its own. His didn't. He doesn't care, no lying is necessary.

Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 17 June 2014 - 12:31 AM.

[KeikoxYusuke]

I think these two images are a perfect example to how Kishi views Sakura (at least for the moment).

 
Replace The Bible with Naruto.

you have no idea how much I want to slap you right now.... This is wrong on so many levels...

[Shadow1275]

When i was on tumblr i came across this picture.

 

You know a fan artist doing more justice to sakura as a herione/character than kishi is making me very very bitter. Just how long do we as a  audience have to wait until sakura acts like a consistent herione? No herione in any other manga series/tv shows/cartoons have i,ve seen as poorly poorly written as sakura. 

 

 

 

 

 

If only

[Nostradamus]

you have no idea how much I want to slap you right now.... This is wrong on so many levels...

Don't slap me. I'm not to blame here. It's all Kishi's fault. He is the one that's doing this to Sakura.

[redrose3443]

Well this thread is very lively.( sarcasm.)

 

I think this next chapter is gonna focus on Kaguya vs. N/S and her giving more back story. It's not gonna be much, except to give up an assessment on her powers. More reactions from Saku/Kaka and possibly have a regrouping of the kages, but with the limited page number, I doubt it.

 

Sakura's development won't come in for 4-6 more chapters.

Edited by redrose3443, 17 June 2014 - 04:21 AM.

[咲耶姫]

Do you think there is a possibility for the battlefield's aspect to be changed by Kaguya once again? Because we know that the Kage will help Team 7, but how could they go help them with the lava everywhere? Unless they have the ability of flying just like Naruto, I don't see how they could go there without melt down under the lava. 

[tekopi]

Minato will transport them to higher/drier/'lavaless' ground, I presume.

Edited by tekopi, 17 June 2014 - 05:21 AM.

[rocci]

Why not? How does Sakura getting a power-up affect the Naruto vs. Sasuke fight?
Actually it would be a nice parallel between Orochimaru vs. Tsunade and Jiraiya.

She will stop their fight since she is equal or even stronger than them.
The parallel of narusasu is hashimada(and all of it's variety).
Sakura will get a power up but not as strong as as naruto&sasuke.
I think still strong enough to fight upgrade orochimaru.

[FireFox]

I don't know how it can be any more obvious that Sasuke does not care about Team 7. 

1. Numerous attempts to kill Naruto, Sakura and Kakashi
2. making no attempt to save them from what would be their end.
3. blatantly stating he wasn't going to save them

4. Threatening anyone who gets in the way of getting what he wants

5. threatening to kill everyone they want to protect.
6. leaving them in the first place.

How much more does he have to do before people go "Oh, guess he doesn't care." even if he came out and said "I HATE YOU ALL AND WANT YOU DEAD." ( wait...he already did.) people still wouldn't get it. 

Even if he does care at the end it doesn't negate what he's already done but everyone just wants to throw that under the bus so they can have the cute team 7 back...

Thank you so much this is exactly what i mean , and this is something that i have learned for being apart of the Naruto fandom for a long time , Whatever Sasuke does its OK and should be understandable and forgiven because he's a bishie who has gone trough some kitten  . Oh Really would it have been OK if Sasuke went with his plan to kill and burn all of Konoha's women , men , children and babies ? Just because he has gone trough some kitten we should understand him and forgive him for this when he himself doesn't regret anything ?  Just because he has gone trough some kitten  doesn't mean that he's free to do what ever the hell he wants and has the right to hurt other people , people who had nothing to do with his "pain" those people have feelings to you know furthermore Sasuke's not the only one in this manga who has gone trough kitten there are many more like Hashirama , Tsunade , Naruto , The Jinchurikis etc but didn't resolve to threat like crap , hurt and left to die and kill innocent people . Going trough kitten is not an excuse for the way you treat others and everything they have lives to and you are definitely NOT a GOOD PERSON because of it  .

 

But yeah at this point Sasuke can grab Sakura by her throat and try to chock her to death  and try chop her head of without any signs of regret remorse  like he wanted to in the Kage Summit and people will still say that "HE CARES"  <sign> . The point of this chapter was Sasuke's Body moved away from them when they needed help while Naruto's moved in order to save them it was a contrast of who they are  its that simple in fact that flashback of Sasuke shows that his body moves only to protect Naruto connciously or not it doesn't matter  Naruto doesn't equal T7  Saskue has a connection with and bond with him out of T7  while with the rest he doesn't have that in the slightest .

 

Sasuke is not this person who hide his feelings , he's very honest with his feelings because he always acts how how feels that has been his thing since the very beginning . He had no trouble to admit and recognize Naruto as his rival and "best friend"   at the VOTE and to acknowledge T7 as somewhat important to him at that time because he was stuck with them (and that was not by his choice like with certain others ) but ultimately that is not what he really wanted and what his heart desired that is why he left in the first place because he knew that his place isn't among them .  

 

I will say this again .The fact that he feels NOTHING when Sakura and Kakashi are about to DIE pretty much tells you that what he said is what he meant to Naruto and how he feels , Sasuke doesn't hide his emotions , he never lies  and always acts how he feels this is him .   His reaction to Itachi being stabbed by Kabuto explains it all . 

 

But if people don't believe  here is a more fitting example of how Sasuke acts, reacts for someone he really cares and that in reality he's honest with how he feels and acts according to that :

 

Will you look at that his Body moves and reacts on its own 

Sasuke's Emotions and Actions

 

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 17 June 2014 - 01:34 PM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Thank you so much this is exactly what i mean , and this is something that i have learned for being apart of the Naruto fandom for a long time , Whatever Sasuke does its OK and should be understandable and forgiven because he's a bishie who has gone trough some kitten  . Oh Really would it have been OK if Sasuke went with his plan to kill and burn all of Konoha's women , men , children and babies ? Just because he has gone trough some kitten we should understand him and forgive him for this when he himself doesn't regret anything ?  Just because he has gone trough some kitten  doesn't mean that he's free to do what ever the hell he wants and has the right to hurt other people , people who had nothing to do with his "pain" those people have feelings to you know furthermore Sasuke's not the only one in this manga who has gone trough kitten there are many more like Hashirama , Tsunade , Naruto , The Jinchurikis etc but didn't resolve to threat like crap , hurt and left to die and kill innocent people . Going trough kitten is not an excuse for the way you treat others and everything they have lives to and you are definitely NOT a GOOD PERSON because of it  .

 

But yeah at this point Sasuke can grab Sakura by her throat and try to chock her to death  and try chop her head of without any signs of regret remorse  like he wanted to in the Kage Summit and people will still say that "HE CARES"  <sign> . The point of this chapter was Sasuke's Body moved away from them when they needed help while Naruto's moved in order to save them it was a contrast of who they are  its that simple in fact that flashback of Sasuke shows that his body moves only to protect Naruto connciously or not it doesn't matter  Naruto doesn't equal T7  Saskue has a connection with and bond with him out of T7  while with the rest he doesn't have that in the slightest.

Pretty much what I've been saying for the last 6 posts. Kishimoto CAN write it, and he probably WILL write a Sasuke redemption but that doesn't mean I have to agree, like it, or accept it as good writing. Sasuke doesn't deserve it, Obito doesn't deserve to just go free, Orochimaru doesn't deserve to get away with his crap.

Its not acceptable to TEACH kids that no matter what you do, people will be accepting and love you because its an out right lie that does more damage to them then the truth does. The truth is you shouldn't treat the people who love you like crap. You shouldn't be angry, bitter and vengeful because it kills you and the people around you and if you ever decide to change its too late, you've done to much damage to get back what you had. 

Thats a better lesson to be teaching people then the one Kishimoto is trying to nail into everyone's head.

I mean, if we buy the crap that "Oh its a beautiful story about redemption and forgiveness..." You might as well just say that its acceptable for Orochimaru to use children and toss them aside like he does, that his experiments are acceptable and deserve no punishment, that his merciless murdering is A-okay. Or that Obito causing a war, killing Minato and Kushina and causing a crap ton of people to die indirectly and directly is also acceptable.

Those actions are not acceptable. Its disturbing to see them tossed under the rug of forgiveness without real consequences like they never even mattered to begin with. 

 

 

I will say this again .The fact that he feels NOTHING when Sakura and Kakashi are about to DIE pretty much tells you that what he said is what he meant to Naruto and how he feels , Sasuke doesn't hide his emotions , he never lies  and always acts how he feels this is him .   His reaction to Itachi being stabbed by Kabuto explains it all . 

 

But if people don't believe  here is a more fitting example of how Sasuke acts, reacts for someone he really cares and that in reality he's honest with how he feels and acts according to that :

 

Will you look at that his Body moves and reacts on its own 

 

I already talked about this too earlier. but yea; there is no "Secretly he cares!" or "he's lying to himself!" if he cared even in his heart of hearts, in the depths of his mind and the tattered pieces of his soul HIS BODY WOULD HAVE MOVED. its an instinctive thing, no thoughts necessary. 

It didn't, he didn't he don't GAF. Its canon, that's all there is to it. 


 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Thank you so much this is exactly what i mean , and this is something that i have learned for being apart of the Naruto fandom for a long time , Whatever Sasuke does its OK and should be understandable and forgiven because he's a bishie who has gone trough some kitten  . Oh Really would it have been OK if Sasuke went with his plan to kill and burn all of Konoha's women , men , children and babies ? Just because he has gone trough some kitten we should understand him and forgive him for this when he himself doesn't regret anything ?  Just because he has gone trough some kitten  doesn't mean that he's free to do what ever the hell he wants and has the right to hurt other people , people who had nothing to do with his "pain" those people have feelings to you know furthermore Sasuke's not the only one in this manga who has gone trough kitten there are many more like Hashirama , Tsunade , Naruto , The Jinchurikis etc but didn't resolve to threat like crap , hurt and left to die and kill innocent people . Going trough kitten is not an excuse for the way you treat others and everything they have lives to and you are definitely NOT a GOOD PERSON because of it  .
 
But yeah at this point Sasuke can grab Sakura by her throat and try to chock her to death  and try chop her head of without any signs of regret remorse  like he wanted to in the Kage Summit and people will still say that "HE CARES"  <sign> . The point of this chapter was Sasuke's Body moved away from them when they needed help while Naruto's moved in order to save them it was a contrast of who they are  its that simple in fact that flashback of Sasuke shows that his body moves only to protect Naruto connciously or not it doesn't matter  Naruto doesn't equal T7  Saskue has a connection with and bond with him out of T7  while with the rest he doesn't have that in the slightest .
 
Sasuke is not this person who hide his feelings , he's very honest with his feelings because he always acts how how feels that has been his thing since the very beginning . He had no trouble to admit and recognize Naruto as his rival and "best friend"   at the VOTE and to acknowledge T7 as somewhat important to him at that time because he was stuck with them (and that was not by his choice like with certain others ) but ultimately that is not what he really wanted and what his heart desired that is why he left in the first place because he knew that his place isn't among them .  
 
I will say this again .The fact that he feels NOTHING when Sakura and Kakashi are about to DIE pretty much tells you that what he said is what he meant to Naruto and how he feels , Sasuke doesn't hide his emotions , he never lies  and always acts how he feels this is him . 

  His reaction to Itachi being stabbed by Kabuto explains it all . 
 
But if people don't believe  here is a more fitting example of how Sasuke acts, reacts for someone he really cares and that in reality he's honest with how he feels and acts according to that :

Why do you purposely ommit things?

Your panes proves that he cares and...?
Your purposely ommitted that he stabbed Karin on the summit and showed clearly that he cares only about his goals, you also purposely ommitted the panel where he thinks about Team 7 and mirrors to team taka on this very same chapter.
You purposely ommit the part where kakashi asks Sasuke to see what is inside his own heart and K11 where there.

Yep Sasuke doesnt care about Kakashi, Sakura or whatever, but it's shown to us that is because they're in the middle of his goals, he wants to erase his own past to pursue his goals, and it's shown that he wants to drop it down like Orochimaru pointed out when they came back to the village.

"Sasuke has to come with terms about his feelings".
It doenst matter if he doesnt care or not, Kishimot already hinted he has feelings for them and this is why he's going to become good later and will accept it.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 17 June 2014 - 01:58 PM.

[六道仙人]

In japan the 15th was the father's dayo so I'm expecting something about Minato or even Hagoromo and Hamura's father in next chapters lol

[TouKen4Life3g]

In japan the 15th was the father's dayo so I'm expecting something about Minato or even Hagoromo and Hamura's father in next chapters lol

Timing!

Funny because it can actually work like Kaguya dropping hint of Hagoromo being the one to cause her downfall or at least madness due to sun meaning power being shared, not moon being about you and power only. That said Minato proclaimed to return to Naruto now, so more power to this theory. Lol.

Anyway, my work day finally begun 2 hours later. Lights went out. Lol. What a start.