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[Gojira]

I hope Kaguya is like frieza, just cruel for the sake of being cruel.
 
All of the villains...Orochimaru, Kabuto, Obito, Nagato, and Madara have had a sad past...and its becoming annoying that is just the same boring story over and over again...I just want a villain that is a total unadulterated bad ass.

To be fair Frieza supposedly had abusive parents. Its not the sad pasts that bother me its the reconciliation I just want a villain to die a villain without any regrets with all the trouble he's caused like he's proud of being turned into an kitten (like Sensui although Nagato was Kishi's version of Sensui and....yeah redemption n stuff)

[TouKen4Life3g]

Frieza had an abusive family? Really? Man, it's the only series that I don't read. Seriously. I mean I still know what's filler or not but still.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 31 May 2014 - 08:16 PM.

[Gojira]

Frieza had an abusive family? Really? Man, it's the only series that I don't read. Seriously. I mean I still know what's filler or not but still.

When Goku kicked him through an island Frieza made a remark that he's not used to people other than his parents hurting him.

[TouKen4Life3g]

When Goku kicked him through an island Frieza made a remark that he's not used to people other than his parents hurting him.

I see. Yeah, that's something you can miss it if it's minor. Don't know if he said it in anime, but I wouldn't know.

[James S Cassidy]

When Goku kicked him through an island Frieza made a remark that he's not used to people other than his parents hurting him.

At least his father was nice enough to rebuild him.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

Well, anything can happen, so I guess we wait on that one.

While you said on villains having charisma is true, it really sounds like wrestling. Lol. But seriously, well, I have no problem for the most part in this series. Then again, I was raised during the time where villains aren't born, they're made. To each of their own. For me, if you want to be all out pure bad, don't give us back story, but do have good charisma. Don't be very typical "take over the world" usual antic that has nothing else to do. Make yourself stand out and roll with it. If you want a back story, do it vague and make us question to the end if not forever, "What the hell is he/she?" Usually works well with horror story, but can work elsewhere.

 

I agree to this.  Case in point, Shogo Makishima from Psycho Pass.  In this anime, citizens in society repressed their desires and let their lives be determined by a system.  He influenced particular people to act on those desires in a negative way, and enabled them to do it by supplying whatever they needed.  Shogo doesn't get a backstory, at most, it's just speculation on what turned him into who he is.  However, he had the charisma that even though what he was doing was inhumane, the audience can't help but root for him to some extent, because he is cool villain, and it helps that the good side isn't all that good either.  I see it like this.  If you want a cool villain, make the audience want him/her to succeed.  If you want a sympathetic villain, give him/her a backstory.  IMO, Kishimoto wants to create sympathetic villains rather than cool ones, though in some cases, a villain can be both.

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 31 May 2014 - 08:51 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
I agree to this.  Case in point, Shogo Makishima from Psycho Pass.  In this anime, citizens in society repressed their desires and let their lives be determined by a system.  He influenced particular people to act on those desires in a negative, and enabled them to do it by supplying whatever they needed.  Shogo doesn't get a backstory, at most, it's just speculation on what turned him into who he is.  However, he had the charisma that even though what he was doing was inhumane.  The audience can't help but root for him to some extent, because he is cool villain, and it helps that the good side isn't all that good either.    I see it like this.  If you want a cool villain, make the audience want him/her to succeed.  If you want a sympathetic villain, give him/her a backstory.  IMO, Kishimoto wants to create sympathetic villains rather than cool ones, though in some cases, a villain can be both.

Well said.

Kishi is about morales, so maybe say like Mario gets serialized for example, the direction will be different as in storytelling. I mean authors are capable to write different directions for different target audience. Otherwise, the guy who did death note will forever do it dark and Bakuman said otherwise. In short, what you want is in another castle.

[Gojira]

At least his father was nice enough to rebuild him.

Gotta keep that pimp hand strong somehow.

[TouKen4Life3g]

At least his father was nice enough to rebuild him.

Yes, thank you, audience. No thanks to Akira. Get it?

[Strangelove]

At least his father was nice enough to rebuild him.

 

Well he was his pretty little princess.

 

Anyways...If Kaguya becomes another tragic villain...then I will probably take a break from the manga. Call me when NaruSaku becomes canon.

Edited by Strangelove, 31 May 2014 - 08:51 PM.

[ultranx]

Well, anything can happen, so I guess we wait on that one.

While you said on villains having charisma is true, it really sounds like wrestling. Lol. But seriously, well, I have no problem for the most part in this series. Then again, I was raised during the time where villains aren't born, they're made. To each of their own. For me, if you want to be all out pure bad, don't give us back story, but do have good charisma. Don't be very typical "take over the world" usual antic that has nothing else to do. Make yourself stand out and roll with it. If you want a back story, do it vague and make us question to the end if not forever, "What the hell is he/she?" Usually works well with horror story, but can work elsewhere.

same here actually, i'm used to alot of villains being like that to the point it gets old xD.

[Chatte]

Hmmm that WSJ preview...

[harry4e]

 

Well he was his pretty little princess.

 

Anyways...If Kaguya becomes another tragic villain...then I will probably take a break from the manga. Call me when NaruSaku becomes canon.

 

It will either be that or a misplaced dream of getting world peace. I can see it now, she came from another planet, hated for being different but she loved the world and hated seeing them constantly at war, so she ate the fruit from the sacred tree and gained the power to get world peace, but peace was short lived, followers became lazy and greedy and demanded more and more from their princess, until one day it got too much for her and she gave into the call of the Juubi within her that was bron from her consuming the seed, and she thought to place the world under a genjutsu so they could all get what they were demanding, and she can get the peace she always dreamed of.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well, did she come from another planet? That sound like that weird twist from KHR. Anyway, we'll see. I wonder how's going to work though. Like Kaguya being inside Madara or would she do like Orochimaru would have done to Sasuke by now.? Strange for one gender to be in a different gender body. We just know Black Zetsu is spreading now, so don't know what's next exactly,

You know it's a good thing that we did skip what could be volume worth fighting against Madara because that would drag on, especially since we know that voice moment happened. So now, here we go.

[Strangelove]

So...if I got this right. Does this mean BZ has been planning this all along? It seems pretty well thought out for him. He just let Madara do his dirty work, and at the end, he summons Kaguya from inside the tree. To me it seems that he was working with Kaguya all this time.

[tonga1]

I wonder if Naruto would be willing to sacrifice the life of a friend or ally in the name of peace.
It is something every leader (hokage) should do at some time.

sasuke could do..

[FireFox]

Well, did she come from another planet? That sound like that weird twist from KHR. Anyway, we'll see. I wonder how's going to work though. Like Kaguya being inside Madara or would she do like Orochimaru would have done to Sasuke by now.? Strange for one gender to be in a different gender body. We just know Black Zetsu is spreading now, so don't know what's next exactly,

You know it's a good thing that we did skip what could be volume worth fighting against Madara because that would drag on, especially since we know that voice moment happened. So now, here we go.

Well going by the legend she came from the Moon and Kishi did refer to her as the Rabbit Goddess also that she doesn't look like a human to me with those horns on her head  so maybe Kishi will make a twist that she indeed comes from the Moon ?  

 

Yep its not strange only when Orochimaru is the one doing it LOL XD

I wonder if Naruto would be willing to sacrifice the life of a friend or ally in the name of peace.
It is something every leader (hokage) should do at some time.

sasuke could do.. 

Naruto doesn't have the hearth to do it he would rather sacrifice or take his own life then ever doing that that's what true leader would do .

 

Sasuke also could never do that because he has a "Golden Hearth"  he's such a nice caring guy and a good friend he's the BF any person could have and cares for everyone but himself he's a true leader     .

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 31 May 2014 - 10:20 PM.

[Chatte]

 
It will either be that or a misplaced dream of getting world peace. I can see it now, she came from another planet, hated for being different but she loved the world and hated seeing them constantly at war, so she ate the fruit from the sacred tree and gained the power to get world peace, but peace was short lived, followers became lazy and greedy and demanded more and more from their princess, until one day it got too much for her and she gave into the call of the Juubi within her that was bron from her consuming the seed, and she thought to place the world under a genjutsu so they could all get what they were demanding, and she can get the peace she always dreamed of.

This would be awesome because in the end it would show the world as it is: flawed. It would also give the feeling with Pein's storyline morality in regards to human race... The thing is Kishi is an idealist and might not play this well, but this would be so perfect and also if Sakura would be involved, i'd be so symbolic given how she's the heart of the humanity element in this manga.

[Otaru]

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It's 679 prediction lol

[luffyq1]

 

It will either be that or a misplaced dream of getting world peace. I can see it now, she came from another planet, hated for being different but she loved the world and hated seeing them constantly at war, so she ate the fruit from the sacred tree and gained the power to get world peace, but peace was short lived, followers became lazy and greedy and demanded more and more from their princess, until one day it got too much for her and she gave into the call of the Juubi within her that was bron from her consuming the seed, and she thought to place the world under a genjutsu so they could all get what they were demanding, and she can get the peace she always dreamed of.

That'd be a pretty good back story.