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[swagosaurus]

How about NaruHina? Is there anything that might make you change your opinion about that?

I think it's far too late in the manga for any shippers to change their mind. We have about two or so years left of chapters, as Kishi stated, so it'll be hard for anyone who's been shipping for a while to digest any rival pairings.

IMO, NaruSaku has the highest chances of happening because of the way Sasuke has treated Sakura. 540, while confirming her feelings for him once again, really showed how much her view of him has changed. He's not a good guy; it almost seems like she's ashamed/depressed because of loving him. Of all the main romantic based characters (Naruto,Sakura,Sasuke,Hinata), Sakura has the highest chances of getting over her feelings. Naruto never gives up, Sasuke doesn't feel anything besides revenge, and Hinata has based her whole life off of her desire for Naruto.

Sakura has been shown/implied to have romantic feelings/deeper feelings for Naruto. That's also why, I think, this pairing has the best chances.

Edited by swagosaurus, 21 December 2012 - 10:05 PM.

[Zatheko]

Even if sasuke shows feelings for sakura sometimes, my opinion wont change. Read my last post and you know why.
Honestly i think nothing could ever change my opinion towards SS

Same, at this point I could never accept SS, I would accept NH 100 times over before I would accept SS and i really dislike both pairings.

Edited by zatheko, 21 December 2012 - 10:15 PM.

[PhenixElite]

How about NaruHina? Is there anything that might make you change your opinion about that?

Yeah, in this case my opinion could change but for me whatever kishimoto could do to make it happen, it would be rushes and bad writing because of the incredible lack of development.

Well about NS im very sure and no matter what happens, i wont change my opinion about all the other pairings till the end of the story. So i saty positive till we know it for sure.

[Chatte]

Since Neji had quite some "screen time", Kishi decided on how to "kill" Neji and what sort of message to give.
So, Neji die in front of both Hinata and Naruto.
One very clear message to Naruto.
"I, Neji, is giving Hinata to you and protect her and loved her"
(Obito asking Kakashi to protect Rin)
Message is clear...................................

Shoot me, now!

[Zatheko]

Since Neji had quite some "screen time", Kishi decided on how to "kill" Neji and what sort of message to give.
So, Neji die in front of both Hinata and Naruto.
One very clear message to Naruto.
"I, Neji, is giving Hinata to you and protect her and loved her"
(Obito asking Kakashi to protect Rin)
Message is clear...................................

Shoot me, now!

Hahahaha someone actually thinks that!? Oh god that is too funny

Edited by zatheko, 21 December 2012 - 10:09 PM.

[PhenixElite]

Shoot me, now!

Peng!!!!

[Chatte]

Hahahaha someone actually thinks that!? Oh god that is too funny

Really! It's crazy how people cling to false expectations just to make another pairing cannon because NS is the one that stands not only by itself but with parallels as well.
Geez...

Not to mention that wasn't this made back in part 1 when Sasuke tells naruto to take care of Sakura that he will fight Gaara?

Once again, Obi/Rin born from NaruSaku...

Peng!!!!

Thank you

Edited by Chatte, 21 December 2012 - 10:11 PM.

[StriderC]

Time to prove then because at the same time you point it out i too have panels that support my opinions.

She was having doubts to do it at first start but then sasuke tried to kill her, later she did with resolve.
First off she said that wanted ot go with him, but he ask her to kill karin then she gets the proof that sasuke is no longer what she once knew he was.
(So yes she had doubts that Sasuke was the guy that the cloud ninjas described)

first --Click here to view--

second --Click here to view--

third --Click here to view--

If she meant to kill sasuke from start she would have not hesited on her first attempt, she was still choosing if she kills karin or kill sasuke(when she grabs
that kunai[when she was going make the decision to kill sasuke, he advance and tried to kill her])

->If she knew that sasuke was a bad person why she made this statement, she didnt believe at all, so she went alone for that purpose, she was unstable emotionnaly and it was unclear what she really wanted to do.

third --Click here to view--

fourth --Click here to view--

->Conviction to kill sauske? so why those "if's" she didnt went there to finish him off once and for all?
If she went there to kill him she would not question herself.
"She doesnt matter...", "if.. if.." she was trying to decide if she kills Karin or not.

On the second time she does with conviction because she wanted to carry the burden but she was unable to kill him because of her feelings.
and again she is unstable emotionally.


Words are one thing actions are another stuff, she was unstable and uncertain of what she really wanted to do there.
Carefull before telling others to read the manga.

I can't see any of those links you posted.

1. You do realize that Sasuke is a ridiculously strong nin. Why would she start off on the offense, and try to fight him right off the bat and end up getting killed. She tried to use trickery to get close to him to finish him off. Do you honestly believe that she went there after putting her team to sleep, after telling Naruto she didn't care about Sasuke anymore, to just see where he is in life? She went there with resolve. She pressed on even after finding out that Naruto isn't solely doing this for the promise. RESOLVE. After putting her team to sleep. RESOLVE. She resolved to kill Sasuke but she couldn't go through with it when it finally came down to it. She didn't second guess her actions before she got there now did she? It's only when she had to face Sasuke that she couldn't go through with it because that's when it mattered.

I wouldn't even call her not being able to kill Sasuke "emotionally unstable". I mean, this is the guy she had feelings for. The guy she's been trying to save all the way until that particular point. One of the reasons she wanted to train during the timeskip. It was understandable that she couldn't kill him.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

(So yes she had doubts that Sasuke was the guy that the cloud ninjas described)

She did. She didn't want to believe that Sasuke could have gone so far. Then she saw him and everything the cloud ninjas had described was proven to be true which for once and for all confirmed to her that she should kill him. She went there prepared to kill him and saw nothing that made her change her mind.

If she meant to kill sasuke from start she would have not hesited on her first attempt, she was still choosing if she kills karin or kill sasuke(when she grabs
that kunai[when she was going make the decision to kill sasuke, he advance and tried to kill her])

She hesitates because she loves Sasuke and can't yet face killing him.

[b]->Conviction to kill sauske? so why those "if's" she didnt went there to finish him off once and for all?
If she went there to kill him she would not question herself.
"She doesnt matter...", "if.. if.." she was trying to decide if she kills Karin or not.

She is questioning her ability to kill Sasuke, that's why. She doubts her own ability to murder Sasuke with her own hands.

Carefull before telling others to read the manga.

I stand by my words. Reading the whole arc again might make you see how everything lines up with Sakura intending to kill Sasuke.

I wouldn't even call her not being able to kill Sasuke "emotionally unstable". I mean, this is the guy she had feelings for. The guy she's been trying to save all the way until that particular point. One of the reasons she wanted to train during the timeskip. It was understandable that she couldn't kill him.

And she is no killer. She can mortally wound people in a mutual fight, like with Sasori, but she has yet to stab somebody to death with every intention to kill with the murder-victim-to-be just standing still.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 21 December 2012 - 10:18 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I can't see any of those links you posted.

1. You do realize that Sasuke is a ridiculously strong nin. Why would she start off on the offense, and try to fight him right off the bat and end up getting killed. She tried to use trickery to get close to him to finish him off. Do you honestly believe that she went there after putting her team to sleep, after telling Naruto she didn't care about Sasuke anymore, to just see where he is in life? She went there with resolve. She pressed on even after finding out that Naruto isn't solely doing this for the promise. RESOLVE. After putting her team to sleep. RESOLVE. She resolved to kill Sasuke but she couldn't go through with it when it finally came down to it. She didn't second guess her actions before she got there now did she? It's only when she had to face Sasuke that she couldn't go through with it because that's when it mattered.

I wouldn't even call her not being able to kill Sasuke "emotionally unstable". I mean, this is the guy she had feelings for. The guy she's been trying to save all the way until that particular point. One of the reasons she wanted to train during the timeskip. It was understandable that she couldn't kill him.

I can see the links i posted, one thing she didnt thought all those actions, before she put her friends to sleep was all planned but after she was doing another things she was being guided by her emotions so expect something bad, illogical coming from, she comes and tells that she wants to go with him, ok you say that she did that to come closer to him, alright but, when she aproach she think "he's heartless now...", and then sasuke ask her to kill Karin she did not refuse right away she thought "She does not matter..." before she thinking about killing Sasuke so she did think about killing her and leaving with Sasuke you cant deny it.
She wasnt sure about what she really wanted to do, if she kills karin she would become a bad person like sasuke but she was too good to do something horrible like that so in the middle of her indecision sasuke tried to kill her.

She is questioning her ability to kill Sasuke, that's why. She doubts her own ability to murder Sasuke with her own hands.

Dafuq did you read the panel?
She was trying to decide if she kills karin or not then she was oging to decide to kill sasuke when he tried to kill her, the fact is if she went there to kill him she would not have this indecision and neither question if she kills karin or not.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 21 December 2012 - 10:21 PM.

[Zatheko]

I can see the links i posted, one thing she didnt thought all those actions, before she put her friends to sleep was all planned but after she was doing another things she was being guided by her emotions so expect something bad, illogical coming from, she comes and tells that she wants to go with him, ok you say that she did that to come closer to him, alright but, when sasuke ask her to kill Karin she think "he's heartless now...", and then sasuke ask her to kill Karin she did not refuse right away she thought "She does not matter..." before she thinking about killing Sasuke so she did think about killing her and leaving with Sasuke you cant deny it.
She wasnt sure about what she really wanted to do, if she kills karin she would become a bad person like sasuke but she was too good to do something horrible like that so in the middle of her indecision sasuke tried to kill her.

I have the same problem as strider, I can't see the links that you posted

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

then sasuke ask her to kill Karin she did not refuse right away she thought "She does not matter..." before she thinking about killing Sasuke so she did think about killing her and leaving with Sasuke you cant deny it.
She wasnt sure about what she really wanted to do, if she kills karin she would become a bad person like sasuke but she was too good to do something horrible like that so in the middle of her indecision sasuke tried to kill her.

"No thanks, Sasuke, I have to refuse to murder your fellow criminal. You see, I came here to kill you. I plan to do it by suprising you and gain the advantage that way so I stand better chance against a man I know to be very strong.... Oops, shouldn't have said that, right?"

She thinks that Karin does not matter if if if she kills Sasuke now.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

1 - http://i37.mangaread...uto-1210376.jpg
2 - http://i5.mangareade...uto-1210377.jpg
3 - http://i30.mangaread...uto-1210379.jpg
4 - http://i34.mangaread...uto-1210380.jpg

"No thanks, Sasuke, I have to refuse to murder your fellow criminal. You see, I came here to kill you. I plan to do it by suprising you and gain the advantage that way so I stand better chance against a man I know to be very strong.... Oops, shouldn't have said that, right?"

She thinks that Karin does not matter if if if she kills Sasuke now.

Hahah,
Nope and
It was on two different thinking "circles".
sorry dude but the if if she kills sasuke now everything will end ( it's a different statement that has nothing related to her previous thinking about killing Karin)

It was "She does not matter..."
then a different "if if i kill sasuke now everything will end" while holding the kunai with second thoughts.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 21 December 2012 - 10:25 PM.

[StriderC]

I can see the links i posted, one thing she didnt thought all those actions, before she put her friends to sleep was all planned but after she was doing another things she was being guided by her emotions so expect something bad, illogical coming from, she comes and tells that she wants to go with him, ok you say that she did that to come closer to him, alright but, when she aproach she think "he's heartless now...", and then sasuke ask her to kill Karin she did not refuse right away she thought "She does not matter..." before she thinking about killing Sasuke so she did think about killing her and leaving with Sasuke you cant deny it.
She wasnt sure about what she really wanted to do, if she kills karin she would become a bad person like sasuke but she was too good to do something horrible like that so in the middle of her indecision sasuke tried to kill her.




Dafuq did you read the panel?
She was trying to decide if she kills karin or not then she was oging to decide to kill sasuke when he tried to kill her, the fact is if she went there to kill him she would not have this indecision and neither question if she kills karin or not.

So you seriously believe she had planned on leaving with Sasuke? We're gonna have to agree to disagree because we're not gonna see eye to eye on this. She didn't plan on leaving with Sasuke at all nor did she think about it IMO. She planned to basically back stab him and free him from his life of crime.

[StriderC]

"No thanks, Sasuke, I have to refuse to murder your fellow criminal. You see, I came here to kill you. I plan to do it by suprising you and gain the advantage that way so I stand better chance against a man I know to be very strong.... Oops, shouldn't have said that, right?"

She thinks that Karin does not matter if if if she kills Sasuke now.

LOL This. You've hit the nail on the head.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

So you seriously believe she had planned on leaving with Sasuke? We're gonna have to agree to disagree because we're not gonna see eye to eye on this. She didn't plan on leaving with Sasuke at all nor did she think about it IMO. She planned to basically back stab him and free him from his life of crime.

I think she dropped the plan( when she put her friends to sleep) because everyone agreed with her to kill sasuke and suddenly she puts everyone to sleep, she went out guided by her emotions and in the end she went there without a plan.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 21 December 2012 - 10:27 PM.

[Slextrem]

How about NaruHina? Is there anything that might make you change your opinion about that?

I might reconsider NaruHina if Hinata finally develops past her obsession with Naruto. No matter where she's at, Naruto is the only one she ever shows concern for. This often causes her to underestimate his capabilities, which sometimes leads to her being put in danger, and she overlooks everyone else on the battlefield. Personally, I find that kind of behavior revolting. There should be more to her character than just her crush on Naruto. Kishimoto has taken a few steps in the right direction with her character by giving her more of a backbone in battle, but until she takes off her "Naruto-kun" goggles and gets more personal development, I'm not going to support her.

I would also need to see a change in Naruto's feelings towards her and more progress with their relationship. The thing that I love about NaruSaku is the natural feeling their relationship has. They're able to kick back and relax comfortably around each other. They've also been to the moon and back together, so they understand almost everything there is to know about the other person. Hinata doesn't have this with Naruto. She looks up to him, and that's nice, but whenever they're together it's always so awkward. I can't remember who said this, but one of the users on this forum compared Naruto to a coach whenever he's dealing with Hinata. He gives her a pep talk to boost her self-confidence, but that's as far as their interactions go. I can't take them seriously as a couple if every time I see them together I'm reminded of a Little League coaching session.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Yes. We are going to have to disagree on this. There is nothing I see in the manga that makes me think Sakura considered joining Sasuke in the summit arc. Everything, IMO, points to her planning to kill him from the start.

I think she dropped the plan( when she put her friends to sleep) because everyone agreed with her to kill sasuke and suddenly she puts everyone to sleep, she went out guided by her emotions and in the end she went there without a plan.

http://www.mangapand...hapter-474.html

Read couple of pages from that chapter.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 21 December 2012 - 10:31 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Yes. We are going to have to disagree on this. There is nothing I see in the manga that makes me think Sakura considered joining Sasuke in the summit arc. Everything, IMO, points to her planning to kill him from the start.

I didnt said she planned to go with him, i said that she think about this possibility this was cut off because she's not a bad person and is unable to kill someome innocent then her death was certain if kakashi didnt come in time.

Different from part 1 when she did said that wanted to go with him, on this time even with the thought of going in she didnt wanted to go.

Like i told you she's unstable and unpredictable.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 21 December 2012 - 10:30 PM.

[Chatte]

I don't think she was going Konoha like for real, I think she thought at something that would make him trust her, something to earn his trust so she could, eventually, something like... "kill him in his sleep", if you get what I mean.