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[Hanabi]

I fairly believe that Hashirama's Sage Mode is Mokuton Sage Mode... And it would be connected to the Slugs though.

Think about it... Slugs live in forest, forest - wood.

And it's this whole thing about the Sakura tree, God tree, yadda yadda.

In the end being that the Slugs live in Forests both Sage Modes could be linked.
That's just one of my presumptions.

I once read a thread in narutobase that debunk the mokuton sage mode theory, that user said something like this, hashi merely shouted his attack like this "sage art: nature type, technique name"

 

hashi - Senpō: Mokuton: Shin Sūsenju,

jiraiya - Senpō: Kebari Senbon (sage art: technique name)

naruto - Fūton: Rasenshuriken (nature type, technique name)

 

And I do think that hashi has slug sage mode because of the healing abilities. it'll be no big surprise coz if toad and snake have one, slug should have one too.

Edited by Hanabi, 19 August 2013 - 04:33 PM.

[Psychox]

Didnt she said she was at his side?

She said it like she was at his side, she said wants to work hard to keep being strong.

Since this is her concept of being at Naruto's side then there's no other option other than Friendzone.

 

I think this is the problem with NH, her speech on "path to radiance" gves the impression of some romance with Naruto, but turned out to be 615, and this same meaning when Shikamaru's father said about Naruto "He wants to make me walk on his side". Similar to hinata's interior monologue.

I think is a mistranslation from one of the manga fan subs instead of at his side they used by his side, so some interpret or believe that she will be wants to be his wife >.<.

[redragon88]

Thanks Chatte!

 

 

There is interest that Sasuke may have ability with Sage mode due to Juugo being on the battlefield. I didn't look into it, but it may be interesting. I've been long more focused as to what Sakura's seal really is. I've been trying to explain the seal so I will copy what I've been saying.

 

Japanese too are also divided in what exactly Sakura's seal is. -___- must wait for Kishi to fully explain. I mean, it is such a similar kanji with exactly the same sound to it, there was a lot of misunderstanding!! So there was a lot of theories zooming about.

 

白豪の印 is the state right before entering 百豪の術, seeing that there is only one step (ichi, ー) that is different in either of the Kanji. I think that this is quite an interesting possibility that could work with either of the two theories that are most popular.

 

• Of course, the first point is that Tsunade's and Mito's and Sakura's seals are one in the same. Well, Mito is more of the shady area for now, but Tsunade's and Sakura's seals are the seemingly same. The seals are the same shape, appear on the same place on the body (forehead), and it is more than probably that Sakura and Tsunade now share the same pool of techniques (Byakugou jutsu, Sozo Saisei, etc). Taking into the fact that Sakura needs the seal (白豪) in order to release 百豪の術. Besides what is the possibility that Tsunade has showed her a new entirely different seal than one of her own? And why wouldn't Tsunade use that same seal? To me, these are serious points to consider. Also it hasn't been shown that her seal will do more than Tsunade's has.
• Secondly, it is canon that Tsunade's seal is called "陰封印". There has been no indication that her Yin seal is the same name as 白豪, they are literally very different names. This is a crucial point. UNLESS, Kishi decides that hey, both of the names are the same ( )! With this possibility, Tsunade's and Sakura's seal are different from each other, and that Sakura will release different kinds of techniques. What I found interesting is that there is the argument that Sakura's seal 白豪 may actually have a relation to the slugs. There is a possibility that Sakura's seal makes it easier for her to use the power of the slugs, more so that Tsunade's, like a pre-requisite. You see, the color "white", is in relation to the "bones" in the Japanese culture. You see, the color white's kanji is 白, and it is actually supposed to resemble a skull (you can kind of see it right?)

The next part, I would really have to check to see if the information is right, but it seems that Sakura's "remote healing" with Katsuyu is a lot stronger than Tsunade's. Now, I am not sure if the person who said this is correct, but if it is, it is to emphasize the second point. 

 

Of course, with both theories, there are many holes and not any hard evidence. We need further info from Kishi  

 

I don't think it disappears, that chakra was a prerequisite to obtaining the seal. It's now a pool that can be emptied and filled.

 

Both are good theories, but as you say they each have their plot holes. Let's hope Kishi can involve Sakura more.

 

I like the second scenario more, that way she can access certain slug techniques without having to suddenly know sage mode. I think that would flow better with the story and show that Sakura has taken the sealing technique as step beyond.

 

That's of course if the names of the seals are different. Maybe there are different types of yin seals and the byakugo seal just happens to be one of them, so that's why Tsunade says "yin seal release" as she activates it.

 

I don't know if Sakura's remote healing is better, but you never know. Still, Tsunade did protect a lot of people thanks to her seal back when Pain nuked Konoha.

 

About the chakra storage, so you say that she needed those 3 years of saving chakra in order to slowly construct a chakra pool inside of her, but now that it's done she can quickly fill it when it gets empty? Something like that?

Edited by redragon88, 19 August 2013 - 04:26 PM.

[Atheck]

Supposedly the colouring rendition of #638 was overseen by Kishimoto himself. In the chapter Sakura's seal was pigmented the same as Tsunade's. This would provide credence to the first hypothesis you made about the seals being indistinguishable from each other besides their names. How you described the impracticality of Tsunade teaching her student a fuinjutsu that she herself would not undertake in acquiring herself makes sense as well.

I would like to point out that this wouldn't be the first instance of fuinjutsu having discrepant names with indistinguishable benefits. Each of the Sound Nin and Sasuke were branded with their own variations of the Curse Seal. All created with a unique design that formulated a different pattern when the seal was activated. Now there were some differences besides just the visuals. When Sasuke activated the second level of his Curse Seal it was shown that he had the ability to fly. No one else's seal furnished them with flight.

The analogy isn't 100% accurate but the fundamentals of each CS were the same. The marking would gather natural energy for the wielder and increase the strength of their body and jutsu.

Edited by Atheck, 19 August 2013 - 04:25 PM.

[sushi.]

If Hinata said "at his side", she most likely means what Shikamaru has said before.

 

If she said she wants to be with him, I take it as romantic.

 

What does the raw say? I really hope it's the first one because not even Naruto thinks about marrying Sakura on the battlefield.

 

Edit; About Sakura getting SM, I'm not all for it. Only if Sasuke gets one too, so it will be the three Sannin all over again. If not, I want her to do something new and original we haven't seen before with her seal. Or just the byakugo jutsu. I wouldn't mind a power-up, but SM isn't my preferred option.

Edited by sushi., 19 August 2013 - 04:27 PM.

[Codus N]

I dont think she will be able to use mokuton, the fact is that senjutsu is not something that can be passed though inheritance, but it is aquired by training, Orochimaru wanted to have it by inheritance/DNA, but failed and Kabuto surpassed him because he did trained for the sage mode, Mokuton is more like a kekkei genkai which was explained by Yamato, but the reason why Yamato's mokuton is weaker than the Hashirama is probably the fact he doesnt have senjutsu.

 

Just a little wacky idea (as much as I kind of hate it) what if SSM has the ability to control Mokuton. The big difference between Mokuton users and Sakura is that she can only manipulate it, not create it. Think of it like Pyro's (X-Men) flame manipulation. He can't create fire itself but he can manipulate them. So, going by that, my theory is that SSM allows the user to manipulate his/her surroundings. This includes the trees, the sea, the earth and everything in Nature. (Avatar ring a bell?)

 

The Juubi itself uses Natural Energy and the pinnacle of that control is the Tenpenchii. 

 

I've been having thoughts on why there's actually a slug Bijuu (Saiken the 6-tails). The only other significant Slug is Katsuyu (and possibly the Slug Sage). So my brain has been racking up theories regarding this coincidence. What if Saiken is the one the Sage had imparted knowledge on Senjutsu? What if the 3 Great Sages (Toad, White Snake, Slug) knew of the Rikudou himself? Considering that the Sage seemed to have prophesized the future, what if he planned for the eventuality that Juubi would be revived, which is why he made sure that certain individuals would be armed with the knowledge of Senjutsu (Juubi's weakness).

 

Saiken's duty would be to arm his future Jinchuuriki with the knowledge of Senjutsu in order to give humanity a fighting chance. (After all, only a Jinchuuriki can hope to match the Juubi). Saiken might be well acquainted with the Slug Sage but he might not be as proficient in Senjutsu (as he requires a host to finely control it).    

 

Funny enough, the filler arc starring him and Utakata had him suppressing a Senjutsu nuke. It's one of those funny coincidences the anime makes sometimes.

 

I once read a thread in narutobase that debunk the mokuton sage mode theory, that user said something like this, hashi merely shouted his attack like this "sage art: nature type, technique name"

 

hashi - Senpō: Mokuton: Shin Sūsenju,

jiraiya - Senpō: Kebari Senbon (sage art: technique name)

naruto - Fūton: Rasenshuriken (nature type, technique name)

 

And I do think that hashi has sage mode because of its healing abilities. it'll be no big surprise coz if toad and snake have one, slug should have one too.

 

Actually, Toad SM grants super toughness. Basically, the body is layered with a coat of armor made of Natural Energy. It's different from healing.

 

 

 

That could be because at the core All Sage Modes are not that different from one another, Sage Mode is the art of combining Natural Energy with your own Chakra, the different types like Toad Sage Mode and Snake Sage Mode could just refer to who taught you and how to learned it, Like for Naruto and Jiraiya they had that oil, it is very possible that Orochimaru and Kabuto had to do something similar in Ryuchi Cave.

 

Fair point. But it also leads right into my theory above. Basically, Slug SM is the closest to the Sage's teachings.

 

 

Does anyone in the japanese forums discusses the possibility of Sakura having SSM?

 

As interesting as it would be I don't think she'll have that ability. So far it seems Team 7 tends to take the techniques of people related to them and either match them or take them one step beyond.

 

Naruto perfected the sage mode that Jiraiya couldn't, Sasuke mastered sharingan techniques that Itachi couldn't (enton) and maybe will have a perfect Susanoo like Madara, and Sakura mastered the seal the byakugo seal which is similar or the same as Tsunade's.

 

I'm still curious (everyone probably) to see the extent of Sakura's seal. So far people are under the impression that it will just do the same as Tsunade, which is reasonable to think, although I hope that maybe she can gain something extra or a way to push the seal's limits further than Tsunade.

 

I also want to know what's the deal with saving chakra for 3 years. Would that mean that once the seal disappears after usage that she would need to save chakra again for another 3 years? It seems a little extreme. I hope that the 3 years was for the sake of creating it the first time and that from now on it would take just as long as it takes Tsunade to fill up (some days).

 

I'm thinking her gathering up chakra might be some sort of power limiter for her. If she stopped gathering them in the seal, it might flowed back to her body and would have allowed her to use her full power. But doing means going back to point zero. Hell, I wouldn't be so surprised if she only used 20% of her chakra up until now. This seal training actually allowed her to build up her chakra capacity. Now she probably has twice the chakra capacity than she did at the beginning of Part II.

 

You guys know Second Origin in FT? basically her "main" chakra capacity/vessel is twice as large compared to the beginning of Shippuden.

 

As for Sasuke's SM, I wouldn't be surprised if Juugo gives him the CS back.

[Hanabi]

 

Just a little wacky idea (as much as I kind of hate it) what if SSM has the ability to control Mokuton. The big difference between Mokuton users and Sakura is that she can only manipulate it, not create it.

 

I don't think so. When Sakura asked Yamato to teach her Mokuton to help Naruto Yamato flat out says it's impossible (I think), saying it requires the right body type / dna or sth like tat.

 

 

Actually, Toad SM grants super toughness. Basically, the body is layered with a coat of armor made of Natural Energy. It's different from healing.

No I only listed jiraiya's and naruto's attacks as example of how they shout out their attacks, i was talking about hashi and slug sage mode, and his auto-healing ability without handseal,

Edited by Hanabi, 19 August 2013 - 04:46 PM.

[megi]

@redragon, yes that is exactly what I'm saying with what her seal does. It just means that she doesn't have to take so much concentration to place it into the seal. Looking at it it's very much like Tsunade's seal. We can know for sure once the manga progresses far

 

@Atheck, is it true that the colorization is overseen by Kishi? I thought it was fan? Honestly am leaning towards the first one but there is still enough doubt that I cannot say for sure. Some people have brought up that "yin seal: release" may just be the name of that release, although I'm not sure I quite follow that haha.

 

Yeah, I can only see Sakura getting SM if Sasuke gets it as well, I would bet on Sasuke obtaining it first rather than Sakura, actually. But still the possibility for her to get it is good.

[Codus N]

 

I don't think so. When Sakura asked Yamato to teach her Mokuton to help Naruto Yamato flat out says it's impossible (I think), saying it requires the right body type / dna or sth lidat.

 

That's because she meant the ability to actually use Wood Release. Much like the same way you use Fire Release or Wind Release. Also, Senjutsu is a secret passed down to only a handful. I doubt Yamato would know of Slug SM. The most prominent Senjutsu user was Jiraiya. And Jiraiya's SM is Toad SM. The world doesn't know much of the other kinds of SM. During Hashirama's time, Slug (?) SM was the most well known of the 3 Sage Modes. But by Naruto's time, that SM seems to have been forgotten and merely dismissed as a myth. The only ones who know of it is likely Tsunade, the last of the Senju line.

[Atheck]

@Atheck, is it true that the colorization is overseen by Kishi? I thought it was fan? Honestly am leaning towards the first one but there is still enough doubt that I cannot say for sure. Some people have brought up that "yin seal: release" may just be the name of that release, although I'm not sure I quite follow that haha.

That's what I read on other forums concerning the official release. I don't have anything to verify it though. It's becoming more and more plausible that the Byakugou Seal, or rather its faculties, are shared between Sakura and Tsunade. Obviously there is still room for interpretation as you said. But any differences may not exist. We should hopefully learn the truth behind Sakura's seal once it's released.

[Chatte]

I remember someone saying something like Yin representing black and Yang white and something as Tsunade is more related to black and Sakura is to Yang, aka white which connects it with the White Seal thingie.

What if the seals are similar in design but different in function?

Like Naruto and Minato with the Yin and Yang chakra. Basically both use Kyuubi's chakra, however, their modes are different given the halfs inside them.

[Atheck]

I remember someone saying something like Yin representing black and Yang white and something as Tsunade is more related to black and Sakura is to Yang, aka white which connects it with the White Seal thingie.

What if the seals are similar in design but different in function?

Like Naruto and Minato with the Yin and Yang chakra. Basically both use Kyuubi's chakra, however, their modes are different given the halfs inside them.

 

Yes, but how are Naruto and Minato's halves of Kurama functionally different? They both create the same aura effect and the users have a reservoir of chakra to fall back on if the need arises. Not that chakra is a concern for Minato because of his status as a zombie but you get my point. It's available if he needs some additional power. Besides the design, the only noticeable changes are that Naruto is able to create a chakra shroud equivalent of Kurama and that he seems to have a better understanding of how to coordinate and reshape the chakra to his will. 

 

I think the Kanji for the Curse Seals of Heaven and Earth were textually dissimilar also. It didn't signify that either fuinjutsu had their own unique purposes or jutsu. So there's already an example of discrepant names not having much relevance to the particulars of the seal's effects. Tsunade and Sakura's seals may not be the same though. That remains undetermined. 

Edited by Atheck, 19 August 2013 - 05:32 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

If Hinata said "at his side", she most likely means what Shikamaru has said before.

 

If she said she wants to be with him, I take it as romantic.

 

What does the raw say? I really hope it's the first one because not even Naruto thinks about marrying Sakura on the battlefield.

 

Edit; About Sakura getting SM, I'm not all for it. Only if Sasuke gets one too, so it will be the three Sannin all over again. If not, I want her to do something new and original we haven't seen before with her seal. Or just the byakugo jutsu. I wouldn't mind a power-up, but SM isn't my preferred option.

She said this

"What I want is being throughout at naruto's side"

 

From 六道仙人.

It's the same thing like "she wants to continue being at his side". nothing romantic.

Att : Friendzone's Sage.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 19 August 2013 - 05:29 PM.

[megi]

@sushi

I explained with the raw image before that Hinata is only stating her desires. It doesn't have to be romantic at all.

 

「私は。。。ナルトくんの横にずっといたいんだもの！」

"I...want to have been by his side the whole time!

 

If you need the raw, I can provide.

 

I remember someone saying something like Yin representing black and Yang white and something as Tsunade is more related to black and Sakura is to Yang, aka white which connects it with the White Seal thingie.

What if the seals are similar in design but different in function?

Like Naruto and Minato with the Yin and Yang chakra. Basically both use Kyuubi's chakra, however, their modes are different given the halfs inside them.

 

It may be possible that the seal has different releases. I had first thought that byakugou should definitely be different because yin is "shade", and is not connected with the color white. This is all speculation, until Kishi confirms it in any way. It may be the same seal, but that Sakura wants to use her chakra differently than Tsunade. I mean, I see a whole range of possibility. Her seal is basically a huge pool of chakra, Sakura can do what she wants with that.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Her line is not romantic at all. It's like what many said, she friendzoned the moment by acknowledging being about power. It's no wonder lately it's being seen as enlightenment.

[sushi.]

Okay I get it now, thanks.

Edited by sushi., 19 August 2013 - 05:57 PM.

[Canadian_DJ]

Listen to this ignorsnt comment on NF:

"Ofcoarse the japanese hate sakura
Thats something atleast all cultures and nations can agree on"

aaah, good laugh. I feel sorry for this lad, must be really that close minded to not see that sakira is the most popular female in naruto amongst the japanese because shes a GREAT heroine. Or they're just too butt hurt to admit that sakira is even the most popular also in the west.

[Superman333]

Listen to this ignorsnt comment on NF:

"Ofcoarse the japanese hate sakura
Thats something atleast all cultures and nations can agree on"

aaah, good laugh. I feel sorry for this lad, must be really that close minded to not see that sakira is the most popular female in naruto amongst the japanese because shes a GREAT heroine. Or they're just too butt hurt to admit that sakira is even the most popular also in the west.

HA .! *Stewie Griffin voice*

Edited by Superman333, 19 August 2013 - 06:21 PM.

[redragon88]

This is pretty funny:

 

http://therandomestc...e-the-Uzumakis'

 

The Uzumaki pair sure are hopeless romantics.

[sushi.]

This is pretty funny:

 

http://therandomestc...e-the-Uzumakis'

 

The Uzumaki pair sure are hopeless romantics.

I know and Sakura reacted that way too in 631. I guess Kishi likes to make funny faces when the love interests are revealed.