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Posted 19 August 2013 - 02:06 PM

I fairly believe that Hashirama's Sage Mode is Mokuton Sage Mode... And it would be connected to the Slugs though.
Think about it... Slugs live in forest, forest - wood.
And it's this whole thing about the Sakura tree, God tree, yadda yadda.
In the end being that the Slugs live in Forests both Sage Modes could be linked.
That's just one of my presumptions.


...god tree? Haha what does that mean?

Anyways, if Sakura gets Sage mode, so will Sasuke at some point. I can't deny Sakura her possibility of obtaining SSM, it's very possible.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 02:13 PM

...god tree? Haha what does that mean?

Anyways, if Sakura gets Sage mode, so will Sasuke at some point. I can't deny Sakura her possibility of obtaining SSM, it's very possible.

Dunno, I read it somewhere at the end of the previous year/the beginning.

I'll search it and let you know. :)


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 02:17 PM

...god tree? Haha what does that mean?

Anyways, if Sakura gets Sage mode, so will Sasuke at some point. I can't deny Sakura her possibility of obtaining SSM, it's very possible.

Well, not all Sannin had sage mode, so it's possible that Kishi will have new gen to have 2 out of 3 to have one like the last gen, but who knows. Sasuke could be full fledged Madara 2.0, no sage mode but one hell of a fighter. I mean Hashirama is using it, making it seem like without it, he will be having a hard time rather than an equal time as of late. Point is sage mode for Naruto was the way to equal Sasuke during his MS awakening. I know it's filler but why else Naruto vs. Sasuke has him in sage mode yet equal. While debatable, the point is that mode helped him to be in the standing toe with Sasuke at the time. The closest I can see is curse seal return, though I could imagine it's only temp since if having it, Orochimaru will continue to live.

 

The one thing I don't get is why Hashirama's sage mode is being kept "secret". As if to say, "Want to see it? You'll see the effect and all....just not from him." But who knows, maybe we should wait.



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Posted 19 August 2013 - 02:19 PM

Wouldn't it be nice for it to be indeed SSM but still something he had to acquire and didn't and Sakura did it instead of Tsunade? Imagine her surpassing Hashirama in the medical prowess. That'd be something!


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 02:22 PM

 

Personally I don't think that Hashirama's Sage Mode is Slug Sage Mode. After all Sage Mode techniques a called Senjutsu.

 

But Tobirama himself noted that fighting with Naruto felt exactly like how he used to fight with his brother in the old days. To paraphrase his own words:

 

 

"He can cooperate well with my Hiraishin, fights using Senjutsu, it feels exactly like how I fought together with brother."

 

I don't see him making a distinction between Hashirama's SM and Toad SM. By the way you were going, Hashirama's SM is unique to Senjus. So why would Tobirama lump Naruto's Toad SM with Hashirama's SM? all SM are the same so far with physical differences being the only difference to each other.


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 02:22 PM

Wouldn't it be nice for it to be indeed SSM but still something he had to acquire and didn't and Sakura did it instead of Tsunade? Imagine her surpassing Hashirama in the medical prowess. That'd be something!

Well Tsunade doesn't have it. Otherwise, she would have done it in Madara's fight. I felt that she truly gave it all in that battle and the only thing I can see her arrival is support of medic. It's good enough for power feat (and video games). That said as I said before, I don't get why Hashirama doesn't show the power of it on-screen. Usually, when it happens on-screen, that mean you won't see it again, unless it's not complete.



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Posted 19 August 2013 - 02:24 PM

I fairly believe that Hashirama's Sage Mode is Mokuton Sage Mode... And it would be connected to the Slugs though.

Think about it... Slugs live in forest, forest - wood.

And it's this whole thing about the Sakura tree, God tree, yadda yadda.

In the end being that the Slugs live in Forests both Sage Modes could be linked.
That's just one of my presumptions.

I dont think she will be able to use mokuton, the fact is that senjutsu is not something that can be passed though inheritance, but it is aquired by training, Orochimaru wanted to have it by inheritance/DNA, but failed and Kabuto surpassed him because he did trained for the sage mode, Mokuton is more like a kekkei genkai which was explained by Yamato, but the reason why Yamato's mokuton is weaker than the Hashirama is probably the fact he doesnt have senjutsu.


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 02:33 PM

I only think that it isn't just a coincidence that the 2 different senjutsu that we have seen in the manga come from the Myobokuzan, toads' hometown, and from Ryuchidou, snakes' hometown. Actually there are 2 different sage mode:

-The one from Toads, the senjutsu of Toads

-The other one from Snakes, the senjutsu of Snakes

 

Like so I don't think that it's just a coincidence that the Shikkotsurin is an another leggendary place where live slugs. I do think that Hashirama's senjutsu is just correlated to that place. Besides we know that Hashirama had the power of auto-sealing without hand seals... To me this power looks like a slugs power, a lot...


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 02:37 PM

 

But Tobirama himself noted that fighting with Naruto felt exactly like how he used to fight with his brother in the old days. To paraphrase his own words:

 

 

I don't see him making a distinction between Hashirama's SM and Toad SM. By the way you were going, Hashirama's SM is unique to Senjus. So why would Tobirama lump Naruto's Toad SM with Hashirama's SM? all SM are the same so far with physical differences being the only difference to each other.

 

That could be because at the core All Sage Modes are not that different from one another, Sage Mode is the art of combining Natural Energy with your own Chakra, the different types like Toad Sage Mode and Snake Sage Mode could just refer to who taught you and how to learned it, Like for Naruto and Jiraiya they had that oil, it is very possible that Orochimaru and Kabuto had to do something similar in Ryuchi Cave.


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 02:55 PM

...god tree? Haha what does that mean?

Anyways, if Sakura gets Sage mode, so will Sasuke at some point. I can't deny Sakura her possibility of obtaining SSM, it's very possible.

 

Does anyone in the japanese forums discusses the possibility of Sakura having SSM?

 

As interesting as it would be I don't think she'll have that ability. So far it seems Team 7 tends to take the techniques of people related to them and either match them or take them one step beyond.

 

Naruto perfected the sage mode that Jiraiya couldn't, Sasuke mastered sharingan techniques that Itachi couldn't (enton) and maybe will have a perfect Susanoo like Madara, and Sakura mastered the seal the byakugo seal which is similar or the same as Tsunade's.

 

I'm still curious (everyone probably) to see the extent of Sakura's seal. So far people are under the impression that it will just do the same as Tsunade, which is reasonable to think, although I hope that maybe she can gain something extra or a way to push the seal's limits further than Tsunade.

 

I also want to know what's the deal with saving chakra for 3 years. Would that mean that once the seal disappears after usage that she would need to save chakra again for another 3 years? It seems a little extreme. I hope that the 3 years was for the sake of creating it the first time and that from now on it would take just as long as it takes Tsunade to fill up (some days).



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Posted 19 August 2013 - 03:09 PM

This is a new argument naruhhina members are using. This is by no means to bash, I only want to bring their arguments and share their opinion. So please no bashing the fans or their arguments. Just share your opinion on this.

 

 

 

I guess you are not the first one to come across to those ''solid'' arguments ,so lets take a look at them:

- Hinata's love for Naruto is unconditional and sincere. She loves him and admires him expecting nothing back, and she has never been angry because of Naruto's obliviousness towards her. Her feelings have remained the same since they were both young. When no one acknowledged Naruto, she already loved him

She already loved him , but did she do anything about it , like giving him a smile or saying ''Hi, how are you''? - nope. She did nothing in fact she watched him struggle from afar lost in darkness and loneliness , i guess she really ''loves'' him.



- Naruto is a strong character who supports many emotional trouble from those who surround him, specially from Sasuke. He stands on his own very bravely even if he has trouble of his own. But have you ever heard the song that says 'And I'm here to save the world, but I wanna know who's gonna save me'? I think Hinata is Naruto's "savior". She brings him back to himself when he starts doubting, she sees his most vulnerable side and knows how to protect him. She knows him very well.


What does she know about him except that he's gonna take care of Sasuke and his nindo? Someone correct me if i am wrong. The lack of knowledge of his feelings towards Sasuke is a major flaw/hole in that relationship. Does she know how he feels about Sakura , i mean after the obvious hug she was a witness of . She helped him 3 times in the manga mostly 2 of them were for him the confession i dont count as help , because it nearly killed him throwing herself in front of Pain without trying to free him from the rods or distract him or send for back up . His weak spot? I guess that medal goes for Sakura and SAsuke . If she wanted to ''save'' him like this person says she would have done it long time ago, but there are people who have done that already : Iruka,Kakashi,Sasuke,Sakura and then come all of his friends to the party so he preached in 616 if im not mistaking .



- Naruto is Hinata's savior, too. Even if he might seem obtuse sometimes, he realizes when Hinata doubts herself and when she's feeling useless. He has cheered her many times, and I believe this mutual cheering has become some kind secret language between their interactions.


I wondn't call it a secret language , because this is confirmed with Sasuke mostly and partly with Sakura, he and Sasuke can communicate on a level without words , Sakura and he can understand each other with a smile or a look , like giving the other confidence , cheering her up and she did this a lot too from part 1 to part 2 . That he realizes when she doubts herself , yes , that part i agree , he saw her after the rescue from Zetsu's attacks .


- Naruto has been developing feelings for her as for late. I will show you the reasons why I think so below.

When did that happen? Did he say it out loud ? Did he think about it ? Did he show any signs ? Because last i checked he is still thrilled with the idea of Sakura being his GF.

- They have been growing closer and closer ever since Hinata's confession. They are even teaming up (like when Hinata fixes his shoulder without him even speaking) and working fine together.

After her confession he didn't share a single minute to talk about , when did that happen , ive must have missed it .. They didn't team up she popped back his shoulder a task which everyone on the battlefield could accomplish.

- They were the first too characters Kishimoto drew. Then came the rest, but I think he has been picturing them together far before the manga even started.

If she/he means about the poster where she sits in front of Naruto he with his back turned than that proves only the fact that her character revolves around NAruto , she was suppose to be a citizen the ramengirl if i remember what some cool dudes from this site have lectured  me about. :sweat: :happy:


- They are ver similar to each other. They both want to prove themselves and be acknowledged by people. They are strong and they never give up, and they share a nindo 'I never go back on my word'.

She fought for Naruto's acknowledgment while he fought for his rival's + the whole village . She had confidence issues so she copied his nindo to grow up in way, he was strong to begin with and she was shy/insecure , how are they similar ?

1. Hinata's confession [Chapter 437]
http://www.manga2u.me/Naruto/437/08/

Her act was half way selfless , her  words were selfish .


2. Some chapters after that, still fighting with Pain, Naruto manages to control the Kyuubi and seeing the damage he did, he cries thinking he killed Hinata. [Chapter 441]
http://www.manga2u.me/Naruto/441/06/

He thought he killed her WITH THE REST OF THE VILLAGERS and of course he would cry , despite the fact of him being a ninja and never killed a person or even a close friend . He cares for all his friends if some stranger step to help him he would have cried too..

3. Naruto admits what made him let the Kyuubi take control was Hinata's "death" [Chapter 490]
http://www.manga2u.me/Naruto/490/14/

That was the last drop , he killed Jiraiya , Kakashi a lot of villagers , destroyed Konoha her ''death'' was the trigger . He went 4 tails for a single taunt from Orochimaru about Sasuke , i guess that  speaks volumes.


4. Naruto saves Hinata and tells her 'everything's alright now' (he also tells her 'sorry for taking so long', which I personally believe means more than it makes the eye) [Chapter 558]
http://www.manga2u.me/Naruto/558/20/

Well, she could have died , but if she wants to believe that there is ''something'' ''special'' about it , let her dream.


5. They both recognize each other by looking at their eyes. Naruto sees through Hinata's eyes and cheers her up. [Chapter 559]
http://www.manga2u.me/Naruto/559/06/

Wasn't that a clone , or that's just me ^^. She believed strongly that that's him but he was facing neji , so the gave that opportunity to him .
He didn't face her at all , he had his back turned  and was talking at her across his shoulder ,when she started doubting herself he had to look in her eyes to see her pain and so he helped her .

6. Hinata shows her resolution to protect Naruto and to be by his side holding his hand, after the war ends [Chapter 573]
http://www.manga2u.me/Naruto/573/10/

That's all about hinata , where is Naruto say in the matter?

7. Kiba makes fun of Naruto saying 'he wants to look cool for Hinata'. [Chapter 611]
http://www.manga2u.me/Naruto/611/15/

:D , and he got ignored.


8. Naruto calling Hinata's name when she vows to protect him (again, and with her life) [Chapter 614]
http://www.manga2u.me/Naruto/614/07/

And this argument proves that he has developed feelings for her just like Sasuke saying Sakura's name first we can make the same conclusion. Seems legit :roll: .


9. Hinata makes Naruto open his eyes and cheers him up, while gently carresing his face. Naruto thanks her by taking her hand and telling her 'she's always been by his side' [Chapter 615]
http://www.manga2u.me/Naruto/615/09/


She repeated Neji's words , slapped/snapped out him something Sakura ha done a long long time ago spoke on behalf of the group , made Sakura jelly , he thanked her for being by his side all this time for the moment not his whole life span, jeez , some folk tend to over react at these statements and wrong translations.

10. Hinata heals Naruto's shoulder when he's in pain [Chapter 617]
http://www.manga2u.me/Naruto/617/14/

Gave an opinion on that , Naruto is romantically involved how?


As regards NaruSaku. Well. I love Naruto and I love Sakura, but I dislike them together romantically. She has made a very clear point that she's in love with Sasuke, and Naruto not only accepts but also supports this. The confession, which has to be one of the most special moments to a pairing, actually destroyed every possible argument there was for them being together. Ever since, there has been no interaction whatsoever between them.

When did she say i love Sasuke , i mean besides 540 which 2/3 of the fandom will say that she loves him , wasn't she the only one who knows how she feels? What about 635, nope, i guess they miss that .
When did Naruto support that ? He support her happiness not SS ... The fact that she is ''in love '' with him didn't came as an obstacle for him to call her out on dates.

Did that person ever read the manga , i mean not selectively?


P.S.: Hinata has showed her awesomeness many times too. The last one was in manga 616, when the Juubi started to attack again. The entire Shikamaru clan was struggling to hold one of its legs, while Hinata with a simple Jyuuken made it step back. That's strenght for sure! And by no means I am saying Shikamaru is not powerful.

She needed the Kyuubi's chakra to do so , while our pink haired ninja destroyed 50-60 Juubi clones and healed the alliance , oh well i guess that doesn't count .

And when did Naruto reciprocate any of this or started developing feelings for her ? Where in all those statements ?
 


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 03:10 PM

Just a question.

 

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This panel caught my attention why Kishi put Hinata here?
Does she heard Naruto calling Sakura his girlfriend?

She was just in front of him , so , Yep.

But then again , he is pranking his dad . :zaru:


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 03:12 PM

Must...resist...debating...that post...

Must..resist...writing LAP.

So, what is the topic? Yesterday seems like SS aspect and SK thrown in there.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 03:13 PM

Wouldn't it be nice for it to be indeed SSM but still something he had to acquire and didn't and Sakura did it instead of Tsunade? Imagine her surpassing Hashirama in the medical prowess. That'd be something!


Curious, do you think the auto-restorative perk given whenever Naruto entered the tailed states is on par with Sakura, Tsunade, and Hashirama's healing techniques? It doesn't require any handseals and the effects of the regeneration have been shown to take effect almost immediately when the damage has been inflicted.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 03:23 PM

Curious, do you think the auto-restorative perk given whenever Naruto entered the tailed states is on par with Sakura, Tsunade, and Hashirama's healing techniques? It doesn't require any handseals and the effects of the regeneration have been shown to take effect almost immediately when the damage has been inflicted.

 

Yes, it's on par. If it wasn't Naruto would've experienced death by chidori.



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Posted 19 August 2013 - 03:26 PM

Curious, do you think the auto-restorative perk given whenever Naruto entered the tailed states is on par with Sakura, Tsunade, and Hashirama's healing techniques? It doesn't require any handseals and the effects of the regeneration have been shown to take effect almost immediately when the damage has been inflicted.

It would definitely seem so...


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 03:28 PM

Must...resist...debating...that post...

Must..resist...writing LAP.

So, what is the topic? Yesterday seems like SS aspect and SK thrown in there.

My question above.
If Hinata saw Naruto calling Sakura his gf or not.


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 03:32 PM

My question above.
If Hinata saw Naruto calling Sakura his gf or not.

Well she stills vows to be with Naruto forever, so maybe she didn't? :umm:


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 03:40 PM

Thanks Chatte!

 

 

Does anyone in the japanese forums discusses the possibility of Sakura having SSM?

 

As interesting as it would be I don't think she'll have that ability. So far it seems Team 7 tends to take the techniques of people related to them and either match them or take them one step beyond.

 

Naruto perfected the sage mode that Jiraiya couldn't, Sasuke mastered sharingan techniques that Itachi couldn't (enton) and maybe will have a perfect Susanoo like Madara, and Sakura mastered the seal the byakugo seal which is similar or the same as Tsunade's.

 

I'm still curious (everyone probably) to see the extent of Sakura's seal. So far people are under the impression that it will just do the same as Tsunade, which is reasonable to think, although I hope that maybe she can gain something extra or a way to push the seal's limits further than Tsunade.

 

I also want to know what's the deal with saving chakra for 3 years. Would that mean that once the seal disappears after usage that she would need to save chakra again for another 3 years? It seems a little extreme. I hope that the 3 years was for the sake of creating it the first time and that from now on it would take just as long as it takes Tsunade to fill up (some days).

 

There is interest that Sasuke may have ability with Sage mode due to Juugo being on the battlefield. I didn't look into it, but it may be interesting. I've been long more focused as to what Sakura's seal really is. I've been trying to explain the seal so I will copy what I've been saying.

 

Japanese too are also divided in what exactly Sakura's seal is. -___- must wait for Kishi to fully explain. I mean, it is such a similar kanji with exactly the same sound to it, there was a lot of misunderstanding!! So there was a lot of theories zooming about.

 

白豪の印 is the state right before entering 百豪の術, seeing that there is only one step (ichi, ー) that is different in either of the Kanji. I think that this is quite an interesting possibility that could work with either of the two theories that are most popular.

 

  • Of course, the first point is that Tsunade's and Mito's and Sakura's seals are one in the same. Well, Mito is more of the shady area for now, but Tsunade's and Sakura's seals are the seemingly same. The seals are the same shape, appear on the same place on the body (forehead), and it is more than probably that Sakura and Tsunade now share the same pool of techniques (Byakugou jutsu, Sozo Saisei, etc). Taking into the fact that Sakura needs the seal (白豪) in order to release 百豪の術. Besides what is the possibility that Tsunade has showed her a new entirely different seal than one of her own? And why wouldn't Tsunade use that same seal? To me, these are serious points to consider. Also it hasn't been shown that her seal will do more than Tsunade's has.
  • Secondly, it is canon that Tsunade's seal is called "陰封印". There has been no indication that her Yin seal is the same name as 白豪, they are literally very different names. This is a crucial point. UNLESS, Kishi decides that hey, both of the names are the same ( :hm: )! With this possibility, Tsunade's and Sakura's seal are different from each other, and that Sakura will release different kinds of techniques. What I found interesting is that there is the argument that Sakura's seal 白豪 may actually have a relation to the slugs. There is a possibility that Sakura's seal makes it easier for her to use the power of the slugs, more so that Tsunade's, like a pre-requisite. You see, the color "white", is in relation to the "bones" in the Japanese culture. You see, the color white's kanji is 白, and it is actually supposed to resemble a skull (you can kind of see it right?)

The next part, I would really have to check to see if the information is right, but it seems that Sakura's "remote healing" with Katsuyu is a lot stronger than Tsunade's. Now, I am not sure if the person who said this is correct, but if it is, it is to emphasize the second point. 

 

Of course, with both theories, there are many holes and not any hard evidence. We need further info from Kishi   :hm:

 

I don't think it disappears, that chakra was a prerequisite to obtaining the seal. It's now a pool that can be emptied and filled.


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 04:09 PM

Well she stills vows to be with Naruto forever, so maybe she didn't? :umm:

Didnt she said she was at his side?

She said it like she was at his side, she said wants to work hard to keep being strong.

Since this is her concept of being at Naruto's side then there's no other option other than Friendzone.

 

I think this is the problem with NH, her speech on "path to radiance" gves the impression of some romance with Naruto, but turned out to be 615, and this same meaning when Shikamaru's father said about Naruto "He wants to make me walk on his side". Similar to hinata's interior monologue.


Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 19 August 2013 - 04:14 PM.

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