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[swagosaurus]

HAPPY THOUGHTS GUYS.

The next few chapters should have at least SOME NS in it, at the very least interaction between the two. I'm not holding my breath for it, though.

[PhenixElite]

You and Don-kun are ignoring the fact that i said i still support NS, it's just that it really doesn't matter anymore if it happens or not. That opinion is mine and I'm sticking by with it until further development in the manga. I don't dislike Sakura's character. I may dislike some of her actions, but not her character. I want better for her, but obviously I'm not going to get it seeing as Kishi's track record for Sakura has been pretty terrible to the point of questioning where the hell is the heroine in this damn manga? And yeah, i dislike the fact that she still loves Sasuke for whatever pathetic reasons, but that's not something new.

I'm not spreading my bad mood, if anything I'm getting an actual debate in this instead of having everyone agree with everything. I respect everyone's opinion, but doesn't mean i agree with it.

Well thats ok, but the most things you where trying to argue where more fitting inside a SS debathe Thread.
So since this is a NS thread it of course spreads bad mood if youre saying stuff like: No sakuras feelings are never going to change and her hearth belongs to sasuke forever and her whole character development is kitten.
Dont you think so too?
Because i personally dont want to read something like that to every NS supporting post.

@swagosaurus: Well, that would be nice of course, but im keeping my hope low since we are still in that whole fight so i personally dont really see some heavy interaction that far.
But after that fight im sure we`ll get a lot. It could be also during the fight with obito since we got that parralel, but we`ll see. We will get it soon enough.

Edited by PhenixElite, 11 December 2012 - 10:51 PM.

[Chatte]

It has been said by Kishi and NS fandom that Sakura is the most realistic character. So why would it hurt to add a realistic analogy based on NS. I mean after all, NS is the most realistic pair in Naruto, is it not? You expect the pizza to arrive 30 min or less. And I expected that Sakura would already be head over heels in love with Naruto after treating her like a goddess. Guess that's not happening.

Yes, she is the most realistic and human character. That's why I told you about the timeline and that's why your analogy with the pizza doesn't work on this kind of situation as it can really be turned against you, like the games example.
As I said, look at the timeline.
The timeline of the events is where you get your reality from. That's why it still "works" in a way, because all these things are still recent, even though in our mind is long gone because our time perception differs with the one in the manga.
That is why I said getting rid of those feelings off the bat it would be satisfactory for the fandom, of course, however, unrealistic as a whole if you look at her character development and the timeline, like I said.
And in the end, like everyone said, all we have to do is wait.

[luffyq1]

Well thats ok, but the most things you where trying to argue where more fitting inside a SS debathe Thread.
So since this is a NS thread it of course spreads bad mood if youre saying stuff like: No sakuras feelings are never going to change and her hearth belongs to sasuke forever and her whole character development is kitten.
Dont you think so too?
Because i personally dont want to read something like that to every NS supporting post.

This is a NS debate thread, and as such i would like to see how much my opinion differs from others.

Well given Sakura's relationship with Sasuke, the chances of her feelings changing are about as low as me assassinating the president. Time and time again, this girl has been given so many god damn reasons to not love Sasuke since the beginning of part 1.

I don't think think her whole character development is bad, a huge portion of it is, and that's mainly due to Sasuke.

You're not obligated to read my opinion in this debate. If you simply don't agree with me, then ignore me.

Edited by luffyq1, 11 December 2012 - 11:03 PM.

[Chucky-kun]

Well on the bright side, we wont have to wait too long for the next chapter, and since people want a topic change, why dont we sort the K11 into the categories of attacking madara or obito, as in taijutsu and ninjutsu/medic nin

[swagosaurus]

A few things; I think if the manga was closer to ending, Sakura would be over Sasuke by now. Say it's terrible character development, or what have you, but it's marketing. Kishi wants to appeal to his fanbases.

Kishi has already shown that she doesn't like Sasuke anymore; she still has feelings for him, but she doesn't like who he is. Her opinion of him is completely negative; a good thing. 540, I think, depending on how it's viewed, is Pro-Sakura.

Also, depending on how Kishi chooses to utilize the Obito parallel, we'll see his true intentions for NaruSaku; there's so much potential, it would be hilarious to see him mess it up. It wouldn't be out of place for the OR/NS parallel to be shown during the war, either; Obito's romantic feelings for Rin make his whole character, and pretty much the plot.

Edited by swagosaurus, 11 December 2012 - 11:07 PM.

[AzureWaters]

Maybe you guys should cool off on luffy. This is a debate thread, and opposing opinions and views should be expected, no matter if this is a NS website or not.

If he thinks differently than the majority of you, why is that a reason to get so agitated? If you're certain in your perspective about the manga, than his posts wouldn't agitate this much.

[Don-kun]

We: Between NH, SS, and NS, Naruto on Sakura has the strongest development in the Manga.

You most of you people are in denial after 612 chapter Sakura still loves Sasuke.

We: after Naruto fulfill his promise to her let see how he goes about expressing his feelings to her.

You: That Promise was already nullified by Naruto.

We: Show panel Quote the page read the page explain Naruto's word.

You: NS fans love to live in denial.

Me: We need to wait.

You: Sasuke try to kill Sakura and after all this time she still loves him.

Me: Well Sakura has always love Sasuke but her impression on him is not that positive anymore.

You: you people are ignoring the big picture, if she loves him after all then nothing will change her feelings.

Me: Well Naruto has not expressed his feeling to her or try to make a serious move on her, we need to see what will be the outcome of the pairing after that event take place.

You: Naruto has being very nice with Sakura she should be bend over him by now.

Me: I think you are far gone.

You: I don't think Sakura is right for Naruto.

Me if you don't think Sakura is right for him then you cannot call yourself a NS fan.

You:

PhenixElite and Don-kun are ignoring the fact that i said i still support NS, it's just that it really doesn't matter anymore if it happens or not. That opinion is mine and I'm sticking by with it until further development in the manga. I don't dislike Sakura's character. I may dislike some of her actions, but not her character. I want better for her, but obviously I'm not going to get it seeing as Kishi's track record for Sakura has been pretty terrible to the point of questioning where the hell is the heroine in this damn manga? And yeah, i dislike the fact that she still loves Sasuke for whatever pathetic reasons, but that's not something new.

I'm not spreading my bad mood, if anything I'm getting an actual debate in this instead of having everyone agree with everything. I respect everyone's opinion, but doesn't mean i agree with it.

No we haven't your attitude has change a lot since the last time I met you, you become way more negative, you are making some serious comment about Sakura character and about some outcome you and our self don't have a Slightest idea of how things will be resolve in the end.

Edited by Don-kun, 11 December 2012 - 11:17 PM.

[swagosaurus]

good lord, we've been so NS starved we're turning on each other.

[Chucky-kun]

Kinda have to agree with this^^^^(Don-kun) you're not kishi

Edited by Chucky-kun, 11 December 2012 - 11:14 PM.

[luffyq1]

Yes, she is the most realistic and human character. That's why I told you about the timeline and that's why your analogy with the pizza doesn't work on this kind of situation as it can really be turned against you, like the games example.
As I said, look at the timeline.
The timeline of the events is where you get your reality from. That's why it still "works" in a way, because all these things are still recent, even though in our mind is long gone because our time perception differs with the one in the manga.
That is why I said getting rid of those feelings off the bat it would be satisfactory for the fandom, of course, however, unrealistic as a whole if you look at her character development and the timeline, like I said.
And in the end, like everyone said, all we have to do is wait.

No.

The pizza expections of that analogy pretty much describe my feelings for NS as a whole. So yeah, it does work when you actually think about it.

The timeline of events means absolutely nothing. She still loves Sasuke, negative or not. Getting rid of her feelings where already in motion since the beginning of part 1. She doesn't care how much Sasuke treats her like trash, her heart is loyal and your "timeline" simply doesn't mean anything.

Sorry, but I'm done playing the wait game with you. Waiting for her feelings to change seems almost impossible. Sasuke has offered this girl many reasons to not love him, but she simply never buys his offer.

[sushi.]

While I'll still support NS, i personally think that there's just no value anymore if NS becomes canon, and that goes double for SS. Now i truly believe that Naruto does deserve better than Sakura, and no Hinata is not that girl so don't jump to conclusions that I'm NH or SS because I'm not. Just because i don't agree with that tiresome excuse of an argument that, "Oh don't worry Sakura will finally come to realize who the better man is", or "Oh don't worry kishi is making Sakura love Sasuke for suspense purposes", and another famous one "It would be boring if sakura already loves naruto". Look, I get it. But whatever arguments you want to use to try to defend Sakura's ongoing love for Sasuke is just not funny anymore. Assassinating Sakura's character all at the expense of making her come to terms with who is Mr.Right after all this time. This unrealistic process just simply made NS lose its glamour to me. I want better for Sakura, but the way Kishi is going about it is just plain terrible.

I order pizza and they tell me to wait about 30 mins or less. Pizza man finally delivers the pizza. But the thing is... It took him 4 days to finally arrive. Think I'll accept that pizza now?

Am I the only one who find the bolded very hypocritical? Let me see..

You support NS, but don't care if it happens or not. You support NS, but it has lost its glamour. You support NS, but think Naruto "deserves better than Sakura. As if Naruto would go up to Sakura and say "You took too long to realize that you love me, Sakura-chan. Our love faded while you tried to make up your mind. See ya."

[Don-kun]

Kinda have to agree with this^^^^(Don-kun) you're not kishi

Sorry, but did you mean I'm not Kishi?

Am confused here.

English is not my first So I might be misunderstanding you.

Edited by Don-kun, 11 December 2012 - 11:23 PM.

[PhenixElite]

This is a NS debate thread, and as such i would like to see how much my opinion differs from others.

Well given Sakura's relationship with Sasuke, the chances of her feelings changing are about as low as me assassinating the president.

Well then so be it. We will find out who has been right in the end. My knowledge about shounen mangas ending with main character and tsundere in 90% of the cases. Or your opinion.
Just want to add that the change of the feelings for characters like sakura happen very often in the end of shounen, so i dont feel like thats an exception.

[AzureWaters]

No.

The pizza expections of that analogy pretty much describe my feelings for NS as a whole. So yeah, it does work when you actually think about it.

The timeline of events means absolutely nothing. She still loves Sasuke, negative or not. Getting rid of her feelings where already in motion since the beginning of part 1. She doesn't care how much Sasuke treats her like trash, her heart is loyal and your "timeline" simply doesn't mean anything.

Sorry, but I'm done playing the wait game with you. Waiting for her feelings to change seems almost impossible. Sasuke has offered this girl many reasons to not love him, but she simply never buys his offer.

I think Sakura cares more about Sasuke's overall negative character than the way he treats her, if that makes sense. When she's seen feeling down about him, for example, she focuses on his loss of self than any flashbacks on how he mistreated her as a person. I'm not sure what Kishi is trying to do there- but whether she gets over him or not, the killing attempts aren't something I believe she'll hold against him.

They are definitely bad and can play a part in her view of Sasuke, but I think this will effect the readers more than Sakura personally.

Secondly, it is still possible for Sakura to get over Sasuke. If or when Kishimoto does this, I just think the reason might be less about the killing attempts and more about Sasuke's current nature, period.

[Zatheko]

Well then so be it. We will find out who has been right in the end. My knowledge about shounen mangas ending with main character and tsundere in 90% of the cases. Or your opinion.
Just want to add that the change of the feelings for characters like sakura happen very often in the end of shounen, so i dont feel like thats an exception.

This^

and I feel that we still have quite a while before the manga will end so i think we still have plenty of time for her to change her feelings.

[Chatte]

No.

The pizza expections of that analogy pretty much describe my feelings for NS as a whole. So yeah, it does work when you actually think about it.

The timeline of events means absolutely nothing. She still loves Sasuke, negative or not. Getting rid of her feelings where already in motion since the beginning of part 1. She doesn't care how much Sasuke treats her like trash, her heart is loyal and your "timeline" simply doesn't mean anything.

Sorry, but I'm done playing the wait game with you. Waiting for her feelings to change seems almost impossible. Sasuke has offered this girl many reasons to not love him, but she simply never buys his offer.

Uhm Sasuke has offered her only one reason if you think at it: that of trying to kill her in the Kage Summit Arc. Before that, let's keep in mind Sakura still had the image of the Sasuke who said "Thank you" to her.
And we all know that it weights tons coming from Sasuke, who has always been portrayed as a cold character. This is her sticking-way to him as well as Naruto's "To me you've become the best friend" thing, because you don't see things like these coming from Sasuke so that's why both of them have this urge to bring him back.

Well, I get your analogy for your own feelings, however, not to be rude or anything, it doesn't work on the pairing itself as it can be turned against you, as I said.

And saying that the timeline of events means nothing is wrong. Since you took out the timeline of events, you clearly take out the human touch of it.

To you it is waiting because you've been waiting for a year, which in the manga meant few days.

Let's not forget that for Kishi, in order to make Kakashi's year, took him 3 years. First, he stated in 2008 that he is going to do a Kakashi year yet he did it now, in 2012 and it's still going.
As I read, after Kakashi comes Sakura because she also needs to grow.
Now if for Kakashi took 3 years, imagine how much it will take for Sakura who is far more complex than Kakashi.
We think the war will be over, however, there's still that battle between Naruto and Sasuke who will need to be taken care of.
That alone could take a whole arc where Sakura's feelings would be resolved and where in their timeline might only be a month, while in our timeline might be an year.
So the timeline of events it is important, we like it or not, because there are certain processes that need to be shown that would have to reflect a real world.

So give it a little thought.

I know waiting is hard, but afterwards, the best satisfaction comes.

Edited by Chatte, 11 December 2012 - 11:32 PM.

[luffyq1]

Am I the only one who find the bolded very hypocritical? Let me see..

You support NS, but don't care if it happens or not. You support NS, but it has lost its glamour. You support NS, but think Naruto "deserves better than Sakura. As if Naruto would go up to Sakura and say "You took too long to realize that you love me, Sakura-chan. Our love faded while you tried to make up your mind. See ya."

Weird, i know. But not hypocritical at all.

It's not just about how long it's taking for Sakura to love Naruto, its the added bonus that she still loves a monster named Sasuke Uchiha. That does not sit well with me, her character, and most of all Kishi's writting.

I want what's best for Sakura's character, do you? It just seems like some of you don't care about Sakura's shallow track record of love. Her heart still favors a man that treats her like a dog, other than a guy who's always been there for her and making her feel safe. It's like I'm the only one who truly fathoms how pathetic that is.

Edited by luffyq1, 11 December 2012 - 11:33 PM.

[swagosaurus]

Think about this logically; if Sakura would have thought of Naruto in 540, then what would be the point of any romantic development/tension with two years or so left of the manga? I almost feel as if I'm defending SS somehow, but honestly.

Edited by swagosaurus, 11 December 2012 - 11:33 PM.

[Weltall]

While I'll still support NS, i personally think that there's just no value anymore if NS becomes canon, and that goes double for SS. Now i truly believe that Naruto does deserve better than Sakura, and no Hinata is not that girl so don't jump to conclusions that I'm NH or SS because I'm not. Just because i don't agree with that tiresome excuse of an argument that, "Oh don't worry Sakura will finally come to realize who the better man is", or "Oh don't worry kishi is making Sakura love Sasuke for suspense purposes", and another famous one "It would be boring if sakura already loves naruto". Look, I get it. But whatever arguments you want to use to try to defend Sakura's ongoing love for Sasuke is just not funny anymore. Assassinating Sakura's character all at the expense of making her come to terms with who is Mr.Right after all this time. This unrealistic process just simply made NS lose its glamour to me. I want better for Sakura, but the way Kishi is going about it is just plain terrible.

I order pizza and they tell me to wait about 30 mins or less. Pizza man finally delivers the pizza. But the thing is... It took him 4 days to finally arrive. Think I'll accept that pizza now?

Hehe I see your point but as I told you earlier you will have to deal with it and to tell you the truth I think it's even worse in the case of NaruSasu, at this point it's simply painful to watch we are supposed to find Naruto's quest admirable but I personally can't see as anything other than pathetic, there's nothing that can explain Naruto's undying feelings for Sasuke it makes absolutely no sense and has permanently damaged Naruto as a character it's stupid and forced beyond belief, the same is true for Sakura and it's worse in certain aspects since her love is completely shallow. Even when Kishi had the chance to explain why Sakura loves Sasuke in chapter 484 what do we get ? a terrible flashback of Sakura fangirling over Sasuke just because he's hot and cool nothing else just shallowness at its best but we are supposed to take this at face value.

I know where Kishi wants to go and what he wants to convey but the message has been lost by a terrible execution, it's all about understanding each other as Kishi hammers in our head and he even said Sakura doesn't understand boys that's why she will most likely develop romantic feelings for Naruto when she will understand him and at this point in time she still doesn't and the same is true for Sasuke, he will be Naruto's friend again when he will come to an understanding with him. I like the idea and the message it is supposed to convey but as you said the execution makes this message totally meaningless. I can't relate to Sakura or Naruto or to many other characters anymore, they don't seem to behave like normal human being and they make so much stupid and nonsensical decisions that you're left asking yourself what the kitten is that kitten ?

As for Naruto deserving better than Sakura or Hinata sure but that's not the way the story is headed, Naruto deserves a better "friend" than Sasuke yet he still considers him his best friend which is stupid it's as if Naruto doesn't even want a normal friend. I went trough the same process as you so I know how you feel altough I was concerned about the plot and the way some more plot important characters behaved, when you look at it objectively they are characters that are worse or equal to Sakura (Itachi, Minato, Obito, Sai...), it's just that they counterbalance their stupid behaviours by being strong something Sakura can't.

Honestly I think you have more of a beef with Kishi's writing than Sakura or NS itself but that's really not the point of this thread and the people here aren't looking for that, some of them sure knows the writing isn't that good, some others ignores it and prefers to focus on what they like and some simply enjoys the manga and the pairing for what it is so you're clearly in the wrong section. I don't see the point spoiling other people's enjoyment because you don't like the way the story went.
You want to know what I would really like : I would like for Naruto to get over Sasuke and let himself deal with his own responsibilities and failures first and foremost, then I would like for Naruto to get over Sakura and find a new random girl and have a relationship with her, something new which doesn't have the same negativity as the other pairings and that can be dealt with in 2 or 3 chapters but I know that's not what will happen and since I still have affection for NS and for Naruto's and Sakura's character as much as they made me facepalm I will still support them even if it didn't play out the way I would have liked.