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[PhenixElite]

Guys, don\'t wanna be reading very much into it BUT, on the cover for 483, when she meets Sasuke, look what it says on the sideline.

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Isn\'t a bit of a foreshadowing? Meaning that Sakura, in the end, slowly but it will change? That includes her feelings for Sasuke?
In the end, from the Kage Summit up to the War with the nin guy, much time didn\'t pass... And Kishi isn\'t telling us that her character will change, but slowly?
Taking away those feelings for Sasuke right off the bat would seem a bit unnatural, don\'t you think?
At least, this is how I see it. *shrugs*

Yep thats how i see it too, and thats also one of the reasons why i had a debate about it the whole day in this Thread.

[luffyq1]

While I'll still support NS, i personally think that there's just no value anymore if NS becomes canon, and that goes double for SS. Now i truly believe that Naruto does deserve better than Sakura, and no Hinata is not that girl so don't jump to conclusions that I'm NH or SS because I'm not. Just because i don't agree with that tiresome excuse of an argument that, "Oh don't worry Sakura will finally come to realize who the better man is", or "Oh don't worry kishi is making Sakura love Sasuke for suspense purposes", and another famous one "It would be boring if sakura already loves naruto". Look, I get it. But whatever arguments you want to use to try to defend Sakura's ongoing love for Sasuke is just not funny anymore. Assassinating Sakura's character all at the expense of making her come to terms with who is Mr.Right after all this time. This unrealistic process just simply made NS lose its glamour to me. I want better for Sakura, but the way Kishi is going about it is just plain terrible.

I order pizza and they tell me to wait about 30 mins or less. Pizza man finally delivers the pizza. But the thing is... It took him 4 days to finally arrive. Think I'll accept that pizza now?

Edited by luffyq1, 11 December 2012 - 09:18 PM.

[Chatte]

Yep thats how i see it too, and thats also one of the reasons why i had a debate about it the whole day in this Thread.

Really, if we go by the timeline of the events, from the Kage Summit up to the War now, it's like maximum 5 days passed.
We have after the Pein thing, Tsunade in coma, in that day, Danzo is chosen as Hokage, gives the order for Sasuke to be killed, Naruto moves on to the Raikage to meet him.
Danzo gets to the Kage summit, things happen, meets later with Sasuke.
Meantime, Sakura makes her move as Naruto went to a motel-something thing, goes to Naruto to confess her love as Sasuke kills Danzo.
She then reaches Sasuke immediately after the Danzo fight, all those things happen and they get back to Konoha where Tsunade is recovered.
Let's say this took a day.
After Tsunade's recovery, she then goes straight ahead to the summit the second day. Everyone take their tools and off to the battle.
From Tsunade's going to the Kage summit up to the meeting with Naruto, was still day, afterwards, when they find about Madara, Tsunade & Raikage join the battle, fight Madara and the night event appears with the Perfect Susano'o's appearance.
That barely closes another day.
Somewhere between these things, the Nin thing happens.
So that's why I say it, it's somewhere between 1 to 5 days, what actually happened in the manga, while for us it's one year and something.
You want a love for years to pass in 5 days?
But that's the thing, people don't perceive the timeline like in the actual manga, they do it in our time, which misleads them, probably.
At least, this is how I find it.
Dunno if I made myself understood but you get the idea.

I order pizza and they tell me to wait about 30 mins or less. Pizza man finally delivers the pizza. But the thing is... It took him 4 days to finally arrive. Think I'll accept that pizza now?

No offence but you know that these kinds of example don't kinda work when it comes to human behavior, interaction, building a relationship and stuff like that.
Pizza isn't a feeling.
I get what you want to say, still, however in life and love, things are not that simple, if it would really been that simple, Kishi wouldn't have made it that complicated, don't you think?

Edited by Chatte, 11 December 2012 - 09:19 PM.

[Chucky-kun]

While I'll still support NS, i personally think that there's just no value anymore if NS becomes canon, and that goes double for SS. Now i truly believe that Naruto does deserve better than Sakura, and no Hinata is not that girl so don't jump to conclusions that I'm NH or SS because I'm not. Just because i don't agree with that tiresome excuse of an argument that, "Oh don't worry sakura will finally come to realize who the better man is", or "Oh don't worry kishi is making sakura love sasuke for suspense purposes", and another famous one "It would be boring if sakura already loves naruto". Look, I get it. But whatever arguments you want to use to try to defend Sakura's ongoing love for Sasuke is just not funny anymore. Assassinating Sakura's character all at the expense of making her come to terms with who is Mr.Right after all this time. This unrealistic process just simply made NS lose its glamour to me.

I order pizza and they tell me to wait about 30 mins or less. Pizza man finally delivers the pizza. But the thing is... It took him 4 days to finally arrive. Think I'll accept that pizza now?

You order a game and they say that it will arrive in a week, it arrives in 2 weeks due to delays, do you still play it?

[PhenixElite]

Really, if we go by the timeline of the events, from the Kage Summit up to the War now, it's like maximum 5 days passed.
We have after the Pein thing, Tsunade in coma, in that day, Danzo is chosen as Hokage, gives the order for Sasuke to be killed, Naruto moves on to the Raikage to meet him.
Danzo gets to the Kage summit, things happen, meets later with Sasuke.
Meantime, Sakura makes her move as Naruto went to a motel-something thing, goes to Naruto to confess her love as Sasuke kills Danzo.
She then reaches Sasuke immediately after the Danzo fight, all those things happen and they get back to Konoha where Tsunade is recovered.
Let's say this took a day.
After Tsunade's recovery, she then goes straight ahead to the summit the second day. Everyone take their tools and off to the battle.
From Tsunade's going to the Kage summit up to the meeting with Naruto, was still day, afterwards, when they find about Madara, Tsunade & Raikage join the battle, fight Madara and the night event appears with the Perfect Susano'o's appearance.
That barely closes another day.
Somewhere between these things, the Nin thing happens.
So that's why I say it, it's somewhere between 1 to 5 days, what actually happened in the manga, while for us it's one year and something.
You want a love for years to pass in 5 days?
But that's the thing, people don't perceive the timeline like in the actual manga, they do it in our time, which misleads them, probably.
At least, this is how I find it.
Dunno if I made myself understood but you get the idea.


No offence but you know that these kinds of example don't kinda work when it comes to human behavior, interaction, building a relationship and stuff like that.
Pizza isn't a feeling.
I get what you want to say, still, however in life and love, things are not that simple, if it would really been that simple, Kishi wouldn't have made it that complicated, don't you think?

True the timeline is also important. As i reread the manga it all looked much easier then it seemed to be. Also the realationship between naruto and sakura came over much better since the normal years for us seemed like days in the manga.

[luffyq1]

No offence but you know that these kinds of example don't kinda work when it comes to human behavior, interaction, building a relationship and stuff like that.
Pizza isn't a feeling.
I get what you want to say, still, however in life and love, things are not that simple, if it would really been that simple, Kishi wouldn't have made it that complicated, don't you think?

It has been said by Kishi and NS fandom that Sakura is the most realistic character. So why would it hurt to add a realistic analogy based on NS. I mean after all, NS is the most realistic pair in Naruto, is it not? You expect the pizza to arrive 30 min or less. And I expected that Sakura would already be head over heels in love with Naruto after treating her like a goddess. Guess that's not happening.

You order a game and they say that it will arrive in a week, it arrives in 2 weeks due to delays, do you still play it?

I really am laughing at you. Don't downplay my analogy with a crappy one.

Edited by luffyq1, 11 December 2012 - 09:34 PM.

[swagosaurus]

Saw this post on tumblr; pretty much describes all the NaruSaku unrequited feels.

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I didn’t really notice this before (probably because I’m dumb), but it bears repeating, simply because it’s one of many reasons this ship is still very much afloat.

In this panel, as well as the few that precede it and those that follow, the Promise of a Lifetime is made, Naruto’s love for Sakura is implied to be just as deep as Sakura’s love for Sasuke, if not deeper (given Naruto’s behavior in the famous hospital scene as well as his behavior here), and the connection that Sakura and Naruto share through being on the receiving end of unrequited love is established.



In the next panel, Sakura says, “He always knew…he always helped me.” I talk more about the significance of the Promise of a Lifetime here, but the point of this post is to bring up how this scene and the implications I delineated in the previous paragraph have not been forgotten by the characters, as Kishimoto brings them up again at a key juncture - when Sai confronts Sakura about allowing Naruto to continue to bear the burden of the Promise of a Lifetime, loving her, while she continued to love Sasuke even though he seemed to be a lost cause.



Sakura remembers this. On some level, then, she’s aware of Naruto’s enduring love for her. His love is no mere crush - Sai does not describe it as such, and Sakura does not remember it as such.



She knows that his brave face hid a deep love that as Sai has pointed out has endured, and if anything, has gotten stronger, not weaker.

And she tried to kill Sasuke to free Naruto of the burden of the Promise of a Lifetime - this scene is what lead her to make that decision. Just as the Promise of a Lifetime was made in part out of Naruto’s love for Sakura, Sakura sought to break it in part out of her love for Naruto. Just how platonic or romantic that love of hers was and now is remains to be seen, but the lengths she went to could certainly be construed as romantic even if Sakura herself doesn’t realize it. Her heart may very well belong to two men now, which the Data Book makes clear, given its discussion of how Naruto “makes her heart beat faster” and she “doesn’t know what she feels” toward him.

Moreover, the consistent use of Sai as a commentator on their relationship is often significant - never has his comments about NaruSaku been platonic - he points out Naruto’s crush on Sakura, notes Sakura’s tenderness towards Naruto, and then of course, there’s the scene I just discussed. This kind of consistency should not be so readily overlooked.

In short, given this ongoing development that has occurred during both parts of the manga, as well as the amount of NaruSaku fanservice in non-canon works co-authored (or exclusively authored, in the case of Road to Ninja) by Kishimoto, we NaruSaku fans have much to hope for.

Oh, and also, about Naruto saying 'it's not about the promise anymore'; he's confirming that he wants to get Sasuke back not only for Sakura, but for Sasuke himself. He wants to save his friend. As for Kakashi's 'huge burden' line, that has nothing to do with the POAL; it's because he's finally resolved what he's going to do about Sasuke.

The promise is still in effect; Naruto never goes back on his word, remember?

Edited by swagosaurus, 11 December 2012 - 09:50 PM.

[PhenixElite]

Saw this post on tumblr; pretty much describes all the NaruSaku unrequited feels.

Post --Click here to view--

Oh, and also, about Naruto saying 'it's not about the promise anymore'; he's confirming that he wants to get Sasuke back not only for Sakura, but for Sasuke himself. He wants to save his friend. As for Kakashi's 'huge burden' line, that has nothing to do with the POAL; it's because he's finally resolved what he's going to do about Sasuke.

The promise is still in effect; Naruto never goes back on his word, remember?

Well, that post seems pretty nice. I have to agree.
But just dont try to convince him with the promise again, or we have that whole disussion again.
Believe me i already tried it.

So lets keep everyone thinking what they want about it.

[Don-kun]

While I'll still support NS, i personally think that there's just no value anymore if NS becomes canon, and that goes double for SS. Now i truly believe that Naruto does deserve better than Sakura, and no Hinata is not that girl so don't jump to conclusions that I'm NH or SS because I'm not. Just because i don't agree with that tiresome excuse of an argument that, "Oh don't worry Sakura will finally come to realize who the better man is", or "Oh don't worry kishi is making Sakura love Sasuke for suspense purposes", and another famous one "It would be boring if sakura already loves naruto". Look, I get it. But whatever arguments you want to use to try to defend Sakura's ongoing love for Sasuke is just not funny anymore. Assassinating Sakura's character all at the expense of making her come to terms with who is Mr.Right after all this time. This unrealistic process just simply made NS lose its glamour to me. I want better for Sakura, but the way Kishi is going about it is just plain terrible.

I order pizza and they tell me to wait about 30 mins or less. Pizza man finally delivers the pizza. But the thing is... It took him 4 days to finally arrive. Think I'll accept that pizza now?

I stated before that you were far gone and you just proved me right, it doesn't matter what you say anymore you just state what's in you mind.

You are no longer a Naruto & Sakura NaruSaku fan since you dislike her character, also this is something I hate from some pairing fans, Naruto is not obligated to love Hinata, Sakura is not obligated to love Naruto and Sasuke is not obligated to love Sakura or Karin, is not like if Naruto has being confessing to Sakura and telling her how happy he can make her while asking her for a chance to feel loved by someone but she ignores him. No Naruto is one of the person who encourage Sakura the most to keep loving the guy and that started in chapter 3.

Everyone is welcome on this forum but this is the NS FC, if you don't feel that Sakura is right person for him then it will be a lot better for to join another pairing FC or the Anti big 3 FC and stop pretending to be a fan while annoying everyone else who really has hope that things might change for the better for Naruto and Sakura in a near future.

[luffyq1]

Oh, and also, about Naruto saying 'it's not about the promise anymore'; he's confirming that he wants to get Sasuke back not only for Sakura, but for Sasuke himself. He wants to save his friend. As for Kakashi's 'huge burden' line, that has nothing to do with the POAL; it's because he's finally resolved what he's going to do about Sasuke.

The promise is still in effect; Naruto never goes back on his word, remember?

Ugh. The poal discussion again. Alright.

You understand that circumstances have changed, right? The promise is lifted. The mere fact that Naruto is ready to die with Sasuke really tells you how the poal is something that evolved into something entirely different all because of Sasuke's actions. It was a curse as Sai stated, and leading up to that confession was Sakura's way of attemtping to lift that curse and take on Sasuke herself. She failed to manipulate Naruto into coming back to konoha with her, and she failed in killng the man she loves because those feelings are still there. Maybe i was wrong on my interpretation on Kakashi's statement, but my argument still stands strong.

[Zatheko]

It has been said by Kishi and NS fandom that Sakura is the most realistic character. So why would it hurt to add a realistic analogy based on NS. I mean after all, NS is the most realistic pair in Naruto, is it not? You expect the pizza to arrive 30 min or less. And I expected that Sakura would already be head over heels in love with Naruto after treating her like a goddess. Guess that's not happening.



I really am laughing at you. Don't downplay my analogy with a crappy one.

I really never thought something like this would happen, If treating someone extremely nice is all it took to build a romantic relationship, then anyone could have anyone they wanted in a relationship, not to mention with this logic naruto would have to head over heels in love with hinata then right, since she practically worships naruto as a god.

Edited by zatheko, 11 December 2012 - 10:03 PM.

[Chucky-kun]

It has been said by Kishi and NS fandom that Sakura is the most realistic character. So why would it hurt to add a realistic analogy based on NS. I mean after all, NS is the most realistic pair in Naruto, is it not? You expect the pizza to arrive 30 min or less. And I expected that Sakura would already be head over heels in love with Naruto after treating her like a goddess. Guess that's not happening.



I really am laughing at you. Don't downplay my analogy with a crappy one.

With all due respect, you're comparing love, with pizza, i dont get how you could call mine crappy

[PhenixElite]

And here we go again OMG

[Zatheko]

The way I see it, sakura THINKS she loves sasuke still, not actual love, and thinking your inlove with someone is a lot different then actually being IN love with someone. I don't think sakura has a full grasp on what true love is and I think she is going to have to figure that out.

[luffyq1]

I really never thought something like this would happen, If treating someone extremely nice is all it took to build a romantic relationship, then anyone could have anyone they wanted in a relationship, not to mention with this logic naruto would have to head over heels in love with hinata then right, since she practically worships naruto as a god.

Stop it. You obviously knew what i meant. It's not just treating her nicely, it's all the times he's saved her, supporting her, and above all making her feel safe like she said in her confession. Come up with a better argument instead of comparing Hinata's love for Naruto and Naruto's love for Sakura.

With all due respect, you're comparing love, with pizza, i dont get how you could call mine crappy

You're focusing solely on the pizza in the analogy, which wasn't my intention when i stated it. It's more about the expectations of the analogy than the pizza itself lol.

Edited by luffyq1, 11 December 2012 - 10:20 PM.

[Don-kun]

I really never thought something like this would happen, If treating someone extremely nice is all it took to build a romantic relationship, then anyone could have anyone they wanted in a relationship, not to mention with this logic naruto would have to head over heels in love with hinata then right, since she practically worships naruto as a god.

This is where all his frustration is coming from, in the end Sakura can still choose to get over Sasuke but still refuse to fall for Naruto.

The thing here is not about she have to love Naruto, she need to understand her current situation and her desire to be with someone who tried to kill her 3 times, if she is to fall in love with Naruto that will only depend on her current feelings for him and how Naruto convince her to fall romantically in love with him while they give themselves a chance to be happy with each other.

Again Sakura is not obligated to love Naruto and Naruto is not obligating her to fall in love with him either.
Lets wait and find out what will become of them in the future then we can judge.

[PhenixElite]

Stop it. You obviously knew what i meant. It's not just treating her nicely, it's all the times he's saved her, supporting her, and above all making her feel safe like she said in her confession. Come up with a better argument instead of comparing Hinata's love for Naruto and Naruto's love for Sakura.



You're focusing solely on the pizza in the analogy, which wasn't my intention when i stated it. It's more about the expectations of the analogy than the pizza itself lol.

Yeah so i think everyone knows now that you dont support any pairing right now and dislike sakura for still having feelings for sasuke and that naruto doessnt care at all about the promise anymore and that it would be better if naruto end up with some random girl.

So no need to spread that bad mood out here anymore. Why not open a new Thread?

[Zatheko]

This is where all his frustration is coming from, in the end Sakura can still choose to get over Sasuke but still refuse to fall for Naruto.

The thing here is not about she have to love Naruto, she need to understand her current situation and her desire to be with someone who tried to kill her 3 times, if she is to fall in love with Naruto that will only depend on her current feelings for him and how Naruto convince her to fall romantically in love with him while they give themselves a chance to be happy with each other.

Again Sakura is not obligated to love Naruto and Naruto is not obligating her to fall in love with him either.
Lets wait and find out what will become of them in the future then we can judge.

True all we can really do is wait, I'm gonna continue to hope for the best though

[Don-kun]

True all we can really do is wait, I'm gonna continue to hope for the best though

Me too.

[luffyq1]

Yeah so i think everyone knows now that you dont support any pairing right now and dislike sakura for still having feelings for sasuke and that naruto doessnt care at all about the promise anymore and that it would be better if naruto end up with some random girl.

So no need to spread that bad mood out here anymore. Why not open a new Thread?

You and Don-kun are ignoring the fact that i said i still support NS, it's just that it really doesn't matter anymore if it happens or not. That opinion is mine and I'm sticking by with it until further development in the manga. I don't dislike Sakura's character. I may dislike some of her actions, but not her character. I want better for her, but obviously I'm not going to get it seeing as Kishi's track record for Sakura has been pretty terrible to the point of questioning where the hell is the heroine in this damn manga? And yeah, i dislike the fact that she still loves Sasuke for whatever pathetic reasons, but that's not something new.

I'm not spreading my bad mood, if anything I'm getting an actual debate in this instead of having everyone agree with everything. I respect everyone's opinion, but doesn't mean i agree with it.

Edited by luffyq1, 11 December 2012 - 10:39 PM.