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[Fenris]

Whoa whoa whoa! Now let's not get TOO far ahead of ourselves... NaruHina is still possible, but it would be something like this...

Naruto: Hinata, I realize now how special you are to me... When everyone else held me back, you were one of the few that supported me. you might not have realized it but I was watching you whilst you were watching me, secretly hoping that I would give you some of my strength, but my strength comes from people like you, who want me to do well, who want me to succeed, dattebayo!

Hinata: Naruto...

Naruto: Hinata, with each passing day you mean more and more to me... Not just as my friend, but more than that! I love you Hinata! You may not feel the same way, but--

(Hinata kisses Naruto)

Blahblahblah, etc. Y'know something cheesy like that :3

If anything, Sakura supported Naruto more than everyone else did. Sakura was the one who reasurred Hinata during one of the Shippuden battles, when Hinata was all worried and Sakura knew RIGHT ON , that Naruto would be fine. And all the way back in the Chunin exams, Hinata doubted Naruto, and Sakura looked at Kakashi knowingly, and they both smiled, knowing Naruto would win the battle.
&& I'm sure some others can back me up on my statement, I haven't gotten all the way through the manga to know ALL the points where Sakura has defended Naruto more countless times than Hinata ever has. That's just knowledge.
Again, your statement contradicts its self.

Edited by iamfenris, 21 October 2011 - 10:14 PM.

[LegendaryArcanine42]

Lets take it from a creepy view of things.
Lets say, we have a murder, the evidence, finger prints, and everything else that points us to the suspect or suspects, is right in front of us. Would the police go by what the clear, hard, concrete evidence says to capture the criminal, or would they go by something else and let the case go cold and wait for something to happen that might not even happen to solve their case. They'd go by the concrete evidence. I understand what you're saying that the manga could go either way, but the MANGA, does point to the "concrete evidence" that NS will be the endgame pairing. Sure, Kishi COULD change this at any time, but why after the build up over the past 500 chapters, would be all a waste? Hinata has barely panel time, she's not a high end character, and why ruin all the NS plot development panels for a pairing that hasn't even had well development in the first place. Lets say, NH. Or LS, for example.

I get what you're saying. But your statement on "what the manga says therefor we should-" kind of contradicts its self. The manga is, all in all, a huge red arrow. What else would we go by except the evidence and concrete moments and solid proof - (Sai being another huge red arrow besides the plot development) and why would we go by something else that seems totally unrelated, to saying: "Kishi could change it at anytime."
He could, but it;s not a very good argument. Sure he could, but would he? Doubt it. This isn't a cliche american batman vs superhero comic where things change all the time.

Now while that is a brilliant analogy, there is one flaw with this...

When the case goes cold, there's more time to research and analyze things from a different angle... Ever watch Cold Case? Yeah, those guys make CSI and NCIS look like n00bs...

But back to being on topic, the manga is not concrete evidence of NaruSaku being canon, it's concrete evidence of the speculation that Naruto and Sakura could hook up. A hint is not a fact, hence the reason why they are separate words with separate meanings. Now whilst the plot development and hints, implications, whateverkishipullsoutofhisbutt SEEMS to be solid proof, we have to take it at face value until we are COMPLETELY SURE that it will be canon, right now we can't be... going off on a strong hint is the same as going for a gut feeling, the likelihood of you being wrong is still there, no matter how small, so you can't ASSUME that it is fact.

Besides, have you seen the crap that Kishi has come up with? Tobi is Madara, now Tobi isn't Madara... Itachi could reverse the Impure World Resurrection with his Deus Ex Machina Sharingan.

So why can't another plot twist develop and see Naruto end up with... Hmmm, now who have not randomly paired Naruto up with...

Ooh I know! Akamaru!

Bc0z Bestiality is pr0...

[Darth Krypt]

I'm just really confused here... Did you just skim through the comments and just come to your own conclusion of what just happened?

Hopefully, that didn't sound too rude but I'll digress regardless, I never said that I was giving evidence or debating anything of the sort, I'm just disproving quotations of the manga being solid evidence for anything...

The manga may say this and that, but anything can change, I know that this is a flimsy counter-argument and that there are many flaws with it but it's the ultimate truth and you cannot change the fact that Kishimoto IS the writer and he CAN change the pairing into anything he wants... Any of the NaruHina moments within the anime/manga alike could be used as the basis of the pairing.

And I also realize that this may not be the proper format of debating, but this is still a point that must be brought up and it is still a rebuttal to what you are saying... No matter what anyone quotes, no matter how many hints there are or implications that have been implied, we can never know for sure where this manga is going. Besides, the mindset of a writer and educated guesswork is more of a philosophical counter-argument, and as with many things in life, we find that Philosophy always seems to be correct.

So saying that "It could happen..." is just as credible a counter-argument as "The manga says, therefore we should assume this...", assumptions are just educated wrong answers, btw...

Is it really so hard to understand. Your statement "Kishi is the writer" assumes that people giving out points and arguments don't know this fact. Of course he controls the story, we're discussing about his story here. So its really pointless to counter every argument being put out there with that statement. I could also say NS may happen because Kishi is the writer and he can make that happen. See how weak that sounds? So knowing that we have no control over the story, how else are we going to discuss the story? By quoting events in the story of course. It is a story so there's going to be plot developments. Event A will lead to Event B. That's how we can support our predictions. So really, stop pointing out to us that Kishi is the writer and he can make anything happen. WE KNOW THAT.

Edited by Darth Krypt, 21 October 2011 - 10:22 PM.

[Fenris]

Now while that is a brilliant analogy, there is one flaw with this...

When the case goes cold, there's more time to research and analyze things from a different angle... Ever watch Cold Case? Yeah, those guys make CSI and NCIS look like n00bs...

But back to being on topic, the manga is not concrete evidence of NaruSaku being canon, it's concrete evidence of the speculation that Naruto and Sakura could hook up. A hint is not a fact, hence the reason why they are separate words with separate meanings. Now whilst the plot development and hints, implications, whateverkishipullsoutofhisbutt SEEMS to be solid proof, we have to take it at face value until we are COMPLETELY SURE that it will be canon, right now we can't be... going off on a strong hint is the same as going for a gut feeling, the likelihood of you being wrong is still there, no matter how small, so you can't ASSUME that it is fact.

Besides, have you seen the crap that Kishi has come up with? Tobi is Madara, now Tobi isn't Madara... Itachi could reverse the Impure World Resurrection with his Deus Ex Machina Sharingan.

So why can't another plot twist develop and see Naruto end up with... Hmmm, now who have not randomly paired Naruto up with...

Ooh I know! Akamaru!

Bc0z Bestiality is pr0...

How isn't the manga concrete evidence of NS being canon? Please, do explain. All we keep getting is "Kishi is the writer."
I think all of us are clear on that by now. But for now, until he does do something drastic like change the WHHOOOLE Plot development of NS and go towards some other pairing, (which would be really bad writing.. considering the past 500 chapters has been based with a sub-plot of NS's development. and their close bond. NS is pretty solid on the evidence it holds.

Edited by iamfenris, 21 October 2011 - 10:25 PM.

[Don-kun]

Whoa whoa whoa! Now let's not get TOO far ahead of ourselves... NaruHina is still possible, but it would be something like this...

Naruto: Hinata, I realize now how special you are to me... When everyone else held me back, you were one of the few that supported me. you might not have realized it but I was watching you whilst you were watching me, secretly hoping that I would give you some of my strength, but my strength comes from people like you, who want me to do well, who want me to succeed, dattebayo!

Hinata: Naruto...

Naruto: Hinata, with each passing day you mean more and more to me... Not just as my friend, but more than that! I love you Hinata! You may not feel the same way, but--

(Hinata kisses Naruto)

Blahblahblah, etc. Y'know something cheesy like that :3

Are you serious Let me laugh harder --Click here to view--

Sorry I could not hold my self


I was thinking how Many state that Hinata is always close to Naruto
and she is the one that support him the most

So I have a question For Naruhina couple

Where is Hinata? (¿Donde esta Hinata?)

Hinata care --Click here to view--

In Naruto's suffering moments over the length of his life
Where is Hinata?

Edited by donjoseph19, 21 October 2011 - 11:21 PM.

[LegendaryArcanine42]

Is it really so hard to understand. Your statement "Kishi is the writer" assumes that people giving out points and arguments don't know this fact. Of course he controls the story, we're discussing about his story here. So its really pointless to counter every argument being put out there with that statement. I could also say NS may happen because Kishi is the writer and he can make that happen. See how weak that sounds? So knowing that we have no control over the story, how else are we going to discuss the story? By quoting events in the story of course. It is a story so there's going to be plot developments. Event A will lead to Event B. That's how we can support our predictions. So really, stop pointing out to us that Kishi is the writer and he can make anything happen. WE KNOW THAT.

I think you're finally getting at what I've been trying to say... WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE STORY PEOPLE, WAKE UP AND SEE THAT!!! We can't influence nor draw conclusions to Kishi's story, the only thing we can do is have theories and hope for the best... If something else happens, then we act surprised and make a new theory, and that's all there is to being an anime enthusiast

I know it sounds weak, but I'M REPEATING MYSELF TO SAY THIS, that's the way it is... You can support predictions, but these predictions aren't likely to equal the real thing, now are they?

[Fenris]

I think you're finally getting at what I've been trying to say... WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE STORY PEOPLE, WAKE UP AND SEE THAT!!! We can't influence nor draw conclusions to Kishi's story, the only thing we can do is have theories and hope for the best... If something else happens, then we act surprised and make a new theory, and that's all there is to being an anime enthusiast

I know it sounds weak, but I'M REPEATING MYSELF TO SAY THIS, that's the way it is... You can support predictions, but these predictions aren't likely to equal the real thing, now are they?

But we CAN, go by the manga evidence and see the huge red arrow that is pointing us to the endgame pairing. Although it's not noticeable at first, there is a LOT of concrete proof behind the lines that a lot of Naruto fans just don't see.

[Amy-chan]

I'm just going to say Kishi had most of his Manga planned out before it was made, he just had to put the events in order. So you can go by the manga as much as you like it cannon not filler.

Edited by Amy-chan, 21 October 2011 - 10:41 PM.

[Fenris]

I'm just going to say Kishi had most of his Manga planned out before it was made, he just had to put the events in order. So you can go by the manga as much as you like it cannon not filler.

Yup. I had forgot to mention that, too, amy. thanks for bringing that up.

And also. I should put in a certain somebodys reaction for...

[Amy-chan]

Yup. I had forgot to mention that, too, amy. thanks for bringing that up.

And also. I should put in a certain somebodys reaction for...

That was beautiful

Edited by Amy-chan, 21 October 2011 - 10:50 PM.

[FoolishYoungling]

That was beautiful

Lol! Its funny cuz I find myself doing what Hitler just did right there.... also, he said he would cut Kishimoto's cock off...

[Don-kun]

That was great and to tell the truth, that was how I felt at that moment.





I almost quit the Naruto Manga and star hating Sakura but Naruto forum and NaruSaku Fans restored my spirit

Edited by donjoseph19, 21 October 2011 - 11:06 PM.

[Darth Krypt]

I think you're finally getting at what I've been trying to say... WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE STORY PEOPLE, WAKE UP AND SEE THAT!!! We can't influence nor draw conclusions to Kishi's story, the only thing we can do is have theories and hope for the best... If something else happens, then we act surprised and make a new theory, and that's all there is to being an anime enthusiast

I know it sounds weak, but I'M REPEATING MYSELF TO SAY THIS, that's the way it is... You can support predictions, but these predictions aren't likely to equal the real thing, now are they?

Dude read my post properly please. I beg you. I clearly state that we already know that fact yet you are asking us to "wake up and see that". That is a basic fact that all of us are aware of, that's why we predict. So bringing up that point as a counter argument isn't really......necessary. Ok I can foresee that you still won't understand this so I'm going to stop replying to you because unlike you I don't want to keep repeating myself.

[ciardha]

He's been very predictable in what he's been doing as of late. Just saying.

If you've read enough manga like me, Kishimoto's plotlines are quite standard and easy to follow, and romantic plotlines especially. I knew from Naruto and Sakura's first interaction in chapter 3 it was the tsundere girl falls in love with boy she disparaged at first, who already was in love with her plotline.

Densetsu this isn't an American superhero comic book, it's a shonen manga. There are a certain number of plotline guidelines shonen manga writers write to (and romance wise, if they wish to include one or more, the number of plotline guidelines are even more limiited.) Kishimoto actually made it quite overt what romantic plotline guideline he was following from the start, and how enthusiastic he was about it.

He also showed Sakura having some subconscious feelings of attraction (real feelings, as opposed to the crush she had on Sasuke) to Naruto way back in chapter 5. (That's pretty early for the usual tsundere plotline) plus in the same chapter she acts to protect Naruto from what she thought was his life being endangered- without even a moments hesitation about putting her own life in danger. In chapter 11, she acts again without a moment's hesitation to protect Naruto from danger, when Zabuza first attacks- she throws herself on top of Naruto(much to a blushing Naruto's delight) to protect him, no thought of how this endangers her own life. In chapter 13 those subconscious feelings briefly become conscious enough that Sakura recognizes the feelings for what they are and is confused. This is early on, but Kishimoto has already shown us that Sakura already has feelings for Naruto even if she doesn't understand them yet. We also see early on, that although she thinks his goal is a major longshot, she's chosen to support it, and in the Chunnin exams she does everything in her power to make sure he still has the chance to achieve that dream that she has come to support- because it is his heart and soul. (on the other hand Sasuke's goal profoundly disturbs her- she knows in her heart nothing good will come of a revenge obsessed goal, not for Sasuke nor anyone else.)

[Fenris]

If you've read enough manga like me, Kishimoto's plotlines are quite standard and easy to follow, and romantic plotlines especially. I knew from Naruto and Sakura's first interaction in chapter 3 it was the tsundere girl falls in love with boy she disparaged at first, who already was in love with her plotline.

Densetsu this isn't an American superhero comic book, it's a shonen manga. There are a certain number of plotline guidelines shonen manga writers write to (and romance wise, if they wish to include one or more, the number of plotline guidelines are even more limiited.) Kishimoto actually made it quite overt what romantic plotline guideline he was following from the start, and how enthusiastic he was about it.

He also showed Sakura having some subconscious feelings of attraction (real feelings, as opposed to the crush she had on Sasuke) to Naruto way back in chapter 5. (That's pretty early for the usual tsundere plotline) plus in the same chapter she acts to protect Naruto from what she thought was his life being endangered- without even a moments hesitation about putting her own life in danger. In chapter 11, she acts again without a moment's hesitation to protect Naruto from danger, when Zabuza first attacks- she throws herself on top of Naruto(much to a blushing Naruto's delight) to protect him, no thought of how this endangers her own life. In chapter 13 those subconscious feelings briefly become conscious enough that Sakura recognizes the feelings for what they are and is confused. This is early on, but Kishimoto has already shown us that Sakura already has feelings for Naruto even if she doesn't understand them yet. We also see early on, that although she thinks his goal is a major longshot, she's chosen to support it, and in the Chunnin exams she does everything in her power to make sure he still has the chance to achieve that dream that she has come to support- because it is his heart and soul. (on the other hand Sasuke's goal profoundly disturbs her- she knows in her heart nothing good will come of a revenge obsessed goal, not for Sasuke nor anyone else.)

Totally agree, Ciardha. And don't forget when she also defended Naruto during the Chunin exams when Sasuke was frozen with fear, and she said: "At least Narutos not a coward! At least hes doing something!" Or something like those lines.

[FoolishYoungling]

I just noticed something.. I don't think Sakura would die for Sasuke! I just though about how the rumor about Sasuke was that he liked girls with long hair, if that is true, why did Sakura cut her hair off? Shows SS was nothing more than a crush and that Sasuke don't deserve her

[ciardha]

Totally agree, Ciardha. And don't forget when she also defended Naruto during the Chunin exams when Sasuke was frozen with fear, and she said: "At least Narutos not a coward! At least hes doing something!" Or something like those lines.

Oh absolutely. I was just pointing out that it was pretty obvious from the start.

I was just skimming through those early chapters (3-13) again tonight and noticing how much Kishimoto has Sakura's attention engaged by Naruto- not just when he did something really stupid that hacked her off, but where she was concerned, protective, etc... about Naruto. The anime really negatively distorts Sakura's compared to manga canon- even early on, and that has created this fandom image (even amongst narusaku shippers that is grossly more negative than manga canon, even in the early chapters of part 1). I urge everyone as a project to re read the manga and see for yourself.

Heck, I'm one of the narusaku shippers that swears by manga canon, and thought I had cut out all negative anime/fandom distortions about Sakura... I was re reading chapters 5-13 and was going- hey look at this scene, and this one, and this one, etc... and realizing even I had forgotten about some of those moments- letting anime and fandom miss-characterization take something away from the positive side of her character in even early part 1.

[naruto-z]

Oh absolutely. I was just pointing out that it was pretty obvious from the start.

I was just skimming through those early chapters (3-13) again tonight and noticing how much Kishimoto has Sakura's attention engaged by Naruto- not just when he did something really stupid that hacked her off, but where she was concerned, protective, etc... about Naruto. The anime really negatively distorts Sakura's compared to manga canon- even early on, and that has created this fandom image (even amongst narusaku shippers that is grossly more negative than manga canon, even in the early chapters of part 1). I urge everyone as a project to re read the manga and see for yourself.

Heck, I'm one of the narusaku shippers that swears by manga canon, and thought I had cut out all negative anime/fandom distortions about Sakura... I was re reading chapters 5-13 and was going- hey look at this scene, and this one, and this one, etc... and realizing even I had forgotten about some of those moments- letting anime and fandom miss-characterization take something away from the positive side of her character in even early part 1.

I certainly would love to but finding the time to do so is too hard. I think people should just post images of some of this stuff from part 1

[Rocket]

I just though about how the rumor about Sasuke was that he liked girls with long hair, if that is true, why did Sakura cut her hair off?

When Team 7 came across Team Dosu during the Chuunin Exams (in the Forest of Death), Kin Tsuchi grabbed Sakura's hair and scolded her for caring more about her appearance than her skills as a kunoichi. The only reason Sakura grew her hair long was because of that certain rumour you just mentioned [she used to have short hair when she was little].

[ciardha]

I certainly would love to but finding the time to do so is too hard. I think people should just post images of some of this stuff from part 1

The moments flow much better reading in context. It won't take that long if you read it a few chapters at a time- like chapters 5-13 tonight. I work full time and drive 40 miles round trip every work day, and I was able to fit in those chapters tonight after I got home from work. I wanted to refresh the chapters in my mind before I posted, so I'd have a clear image of them.

Edited by ciardha, 22 October 2011 - 02:37 AM.