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[luffyq1]

Dafuq are you talking about.

Something that you clearly don't understand.

Edited by luffyq1, 11 December 2012 - 11:54 AM.

[Chucky-kun]

First love is the hardest to forget? So that's what you're resorting to now? Lol, ok.


Ino was left in tears about Sasuke and barely had any SI development? Well yes, Ino & Sasuke barely had any development and she still cries because she loves Sasuke. So what's your point?


Give Sakura a break? I'll give her a break when Kishi starts doing justice to Sakura's character.

My point is that sakura's feelings for Sasuke would be deeper than ino's meaning it would b much harder to just "forget about him and move on" spending three years of your life trying to bring someone back probably means that you're really close to that person. What if its not love? Kakashi said that Sakura had come to terms with her feelings. Nothing was actually specified.

[PhenixElite]

Ino was left in tears about Sasuke and barely had any SI development? Well yes, Ino & Sasuke barely had any development and she still cries because she loves Sasuke.

Just to add sakura and sasuke also barely had development.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

My point is that sakura's feelings for Sasuke would be deeper than ino's meaning it would b much harder to just "forget about him and move on" spending three years of your life trying to bring someone back probably means that you're really close to that person. What if its not love? Kakashi said that Sakura had come to terms with her feelings. Nothing was actually specified.

This.

[luffyq1]

My point is that sakura's feelings for Sasuke would be deeper than ino's meaning it would b much harder to just "forget about him and move on" spending three years of your life trying to bring someone back probably means that you're really close to that person. What if its not love? Kakashi said that Sakura had come to terms with her feelings. Nothing was actually specified.

Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are much deeper than Ino's? Well yes i agree.

It would be much harder to just forget about him and move on? Sasuke has giving both the girls plenty of reasons to move on, especially Sakura. Both girls still love the guy.

Spending 3 years of your life trying to bring someone back means that you're really close to that person? Spending 3 years away from that person all because of their negative actions is also pretty telling as well, and I'm saying this in regards to Ino & Sakura. Both girls knew that Sasuke turned into a missin-nin. Another reason to move on.

What if its not love? Kakashi said that Sakura had come to terms with her feelings. Nothing was actually specified? Lol, really? Wishful thinking. Pay attention to the context.

Edited by luffyq1, 11 December 2012 - 12:15 PM.

[PhenixElite]

Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are much deeper than Ino's? Well yes i agree.

It would be much harder to just forget about him and move on? Sasuke has giving both the girls plenty of reasons to move on, especially Sakura. Both girls still love the guy.

Spending 3 years of your life trying to bring someone back means that you're really close to that person? Spending 3 years away from that person all because of their negative actions is also pretty telling as well, and I'm saying this in regards to Ino & Sakura. Both girls knew that Sasuke turned into a missin-nin. Another reason to move on.

What if its not love? Kakashi said that Sakura had come to terms with her feelings. Nothing was actually specified? Lol, really? Wishful thinking. Pay attention to the context.

Well we can keep on going to discuss that for weeks, but fact is that thats just the way it happens in the manga when you have a love triangle. Why does he insert a love triangle? To create tension in romance.
So if i was you i would start to worry for NS, if sakura still has feelings for sasuke in the end of the manga or after the fight between Naruto and Sasuke. Till now the manga follows the same way like many other shounen including a love triangle.

[Chucky-kun]

Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are much deeper than Ino's? Well yes i agree.

It would be much harder to just forget about him and move on? Sasuke has giving both the girls plenty of reasons to move on, especially Sakura. Both girls still love the guy.

Spending 3 years of your life trying to bring someone back means that you're really close to that person? Spending 3 years away from that person all because of their negative actions is also pretty telling as well, and I'm saying this in regards to Ino & Sakura. Both girls knew that Sasuke turned into a missin-nin. Another reason to move on.

What if its not love? Kakashi said that Sakura had come to terms with her feelings. Nothing was actually specified? Lol, really? Wishful thinking. Pay attention to the context.

Are you sure they still love the guy? It's been over 100 chapters since we got anything between them besides the lover-nin, and that was even more vague than the coming to terms with her feelings. Speaking of context..
Chapter 486
Sasuke: why do you care about me so much?
Naruto: because I'm your friend

And then in 487
Sakura says, naruto's resolve much better than mine. All I've done is lean on him and cry, I thought I was ready.
The key part is the I thought I was ready, which basically infers that she's getting over Sasuke, slowly but surely.

[redragon88]

I think the problem is not that Sakura still loves Sasuke because of what he's done. I mean, look at Naruto, he also still loves Sasuke and Sasuke has thrown even more hate toward him.

I think it's more about the way Sakura's strength of character seems to always be obliterated every time Sasuke is remotely involved. Sakura never seems to act like herself when it comes to Sasuke, always becoming a very meek individual when we all now that she isn't afraid to be opinionated. Maybe if she was shown as a more determined person in the way she interacted with Sasuke throughout the story I could've understood her feelings more.

By comparison Naruto and even Karin have shown a lot more strength of character when it comes to how they deal with Sasuke. This is what basically happens when they think back about Sasuke's betrayal of them:

Naruto: You might hate me and everyone, but I'll take it all on and obliterate that hate. Come at me anytime.
Karin: Sasuke, you bastard! You might look cool, but you're a douchebag for trying to kill me.
Sakura: Sasuke-kun you making me feel sad. I feel miserable that you're not a great guy. I want to cry.

Do you see the differences in their fortitude of character when it comes to how they deal with Sasuke?

Naruto has the metal strength to face Sasuke head on. Karin has the emotional power to understand that Sasuke is indeed crappy, therefore deserving of her anger. But Sakura is shown always wallowing in her own self pity when it comes to Sasuke.

That's the reason I dislike the idea of SasuSaku, not because of what Sasuke does to her, not because she still has feelings for him, but because of how she's always reacted to what he's done. The only time I remember her standing up to Sasuke was during the Summit arc, and that was done for the sake of defending Naruto. She has never stood up to Sasuke to defend her own opinions. That clearly shows that her feelings for Naruto (regardless of their romantic nature) give her the strength to bring out her true character.

@Dαrkrєrsŧ

You should try getting rid of that photo of your crush if you truly want to move on. It's never good to hang on to the past if it brings you painful memories. Always look forward to a better tomorrow.

Sorry if I'm being too personal.

[luffyq1]

Well we can keep on going to discuss that for weeks, but fact is that thats just the way it happens in the manga when you have a love triangle. Why does he insert a love triangle? To create tension in romance.
So if i was you i would start to worry for NS, if sakura still has feelings for sasuke in the end of the manga or after the fight between Naruto and Sasuke. Till now the manga follows the same way like many other shounen including a love triangle.

Love triangle is typically a trend in the romance for Shonen. But not all love triangles are done the same way. Kishi's love triangle is torturous to not only us, but to his characters as well. It's already near the end and Sakura still loves Sasuke. Her resolve to move on has failed to fully blossom. She tried to, forcefully and painfully, but it just didn't turn out the way she wanted. Heart wants what the heart wants, even if it's for a monster like Sasuke.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

er true character.

@Dαrkrєrsŧ

You should try getting rid of that photo of your crush if you truly want to move on. It's never good to hang on to the past if it brings you painful memories. Always look forward to a better tomorrow.

Sorry if I'm being too personal.

I already get rid of it, but i keep the photo.
It's a part of my life.

abotu the topic:
He's just keeping the pairing drama but sakura is getting rid of her feelings for sasuke slowly but it is.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 December 2012 - 12:50 PM.

[luffyq1]

Are you sure they still love the guy? It's been over 100 chapters since we got anything between them besides the lover-nin, and that was even more vague than the coming to terms with her feelings. Speaking of context..
Chapter 486
Sasuke: why do you care about me so much?
Naruto: because I'm your friend

And then in 487
Sakura says, naruto's resolve much better than mine. All I've done is lean on him and cry, I thought I was ready.
The key part is the I thought I was ready, which basically infers that she's getting over Sasuke, slowly but surely.

What? You're providing chapters, but you're not making any points. Chapter 487 clearly shows that Sakura wasn't able to remove the burderns from Naruto like she planned, not that she failed to fall out of love with Sasuke. Lol. That's like saying just because Dan is dead means that Tsunade doesn't love him romantically anymore. The love is still there, it's just that he's, well...dead.

[PhenixElite]

Love triangle is typically a trend in the romance for Shonen. But not all love triangles are done the same way. Kishi's love triangle is torturous to not only us, but to his characters as well. It's already near the end and Sakura still loves Sasuke. Her resolve to move on has failed to fully blossom. She tried to, forcefully and painfully, but it just didn't turn out the way she wanted. Heart wants what the heart wants, even if it's for a monster like Sasuke.

First of all we still have a lot of chapters to go trough, including the ones with sasuke, where we will get to see how sakura loses her feelings for him.

So you seriously think that sakuras feelings are not going to change XDDD. Thats funny because out of all the characters she is the only one who really has the support for it and is already in the change. Did you read the databook? If not you should quickly do it. The whole databook is how the feelings of girls can change and how she hasnt found an answer to what she really feels for naruto.

So you see it like sasuke has more possibility to change his feelings for sakura the right?
Funny, because ive never seen any sign like that from sasuke in all the 612 chapters.
The only thing that happens if sakura and sasuke dont change their feelings is that sakura ends up alon, but i really, really, really doubt that since her character is too deep in all the love traffic and her character is also only based on love.

Edit: Your arguments sound like arguments SS fans usually use.

Edited by PhenixElite, 11 December 2012 - 01:00 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

What? You're providing chapters, but you're not making any points. Chapter 487 clearly shows that Sakura wasn't able to remove the burderns from Naruto like she planned, not that she failed to fall out of love with Sasuke. Lol. That's like saying just because Dan is dead means that Tsunade doesn't love him romantically anymore. The love is still there, it's just that he's, well...dead.

You're both wrong 487 shows that she could not kill sasuke because she could not find a resolution to herself and ended in a fail.
She thought doing this for naruto and make naruto hates her taking all the blame for it was not enough,plus the feelings she had for him.
Naruto in other words can kill sasuke despite being his friend and all while she cannot.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 December 2012 - 01:11 PM.

[luffyq1]

First of all we still have a lot of chapters to go trough, including the ones with sasuke, where we will get to see how sakura loses her feelings for him.

So you seriously think that sakuras feelings are not going to change XDDD. Thats funny because out of all the characters she is the only one who really has the support for it and is already in the change. Did you read the databook? If not you should quickly do it. The whole databook is how the feelings of girls can change and how she hasnt found an answer to what she really feels for naruto.

So you see it like sasuke has more possibility to change his feelings for sakura the right?
Funny, because ive never seen any sign like that from sasuke in all the 612 chapters.
The only thing that happens if sakura and sasuke dont change their feelings is that sakura ends up alon, but i really, really, really doubt that since her character is too deep in all the love traffic and her character is also only based on love.

We will get to see how Sakura loses her feelings for him? Logic doesn't mean a damn thing in this manga anymore. She was already given the best reason to not love Sasuke anymore, yet she still loves him.

Do you seriously think that Sakura's feelings are not going to change? No. Sprinkle a bit a BS and anything is possible. Just look at Sakura's feelings for example.

Out of all the characters she is the only one who really has the support for it already in change? Huh? I thought that change was during the summit? And it was painfully awkward and emotional to try to force herself to move on. Clearly she isn't capable of doing such a thing.

Did i read the databook? Yeah, and it also contridicts some power levels in the manga.

The feelings of girls can change and how she hasn't found an answer to what she really feels for Naruto? She tried that in her confession, remember? That's where the hate really skyrocketed.

Do you see Sasuke has more possibility to change his feelings for Sakura? No. But like i said, logic doesn't mean anything anymore.

Her character is only based on love? No. There are more aspects that surround Sakura's character other than boy crush. Love may be the big thing, but it ain't the only thing.

Edited by luffyq1, 11 December 2012 - 01:35 PM.

[PhenixElite]

We will get to see how Sakura loses her feelings for him? Logic doesn't mean a damn thing in the manga anymore. She was already given the best reason to not love Sasuke anymore, yet she still loves him.

Do you seriously think that Sakura's feelings are not going to change? No. Sprinkle a bit a BS and anything is possible. Just look at Sakura's feelings for example.

Out of all the characters she is the only one who really has the support for it already in change? Huh? I thought that change was during the summit? And it was painfully awkward and emotional to try to force herself to move on. Clearly she isn't capable of doing such a thing.

Did i read the databook? Yeah, and it also contridicts some power levels in the manga.

The feelings of girls can change and how she hasn't found an answer to what she really feels for Naruto? She tried that in her confession, remember? That's where the hate really sky rocketed.

Do you see Sasuke has more possibility to change his feelings for Sakura? No.

Her character is only based on love? No. There are more aspects that surrond Sakura's character other than boy crush.

Yep! Now im sure you really see it from the point of a SS fan. The only thing youre talking about is the confession. The confession was just one event that says nothing about any pairing. Its not even clear at this point if really everything sakura told naruto was a lie.
Also you say THAT CONFESSION WAS THE LAST POSSIBILITY FOR SAKURA TO CHANGE HER FEELINGS, but who told you that it was the last chance, who told you that there wont be a time where sakura realizes that her feelings for naruto are the true ones not the ones for sasuke?(maybe during the fight when naruto gets hurt). Who told you all that? Maybe you chilled a little bit too long at NF.
Also if it is like that ten pls answer me the following questions:
Why is kshis showing naruto(the main character) in love with sakura since chapter 3?
Why is he giving so much hints on NS especially in part 2?
Why is he adding all the parralels, including kushinas word to naruto?
Why is he making a movie full of NS moments and trolls NH and SS in there?
Why is kishi showing showing that sakura has romantic feelings for naruto too?
Why is kishi showing narutos love selfless?

Pls answer me that. Then we can talk again about SS.

[redragon88]

@luffyq1

I think I understand what you're trying to say.

While you believe that NS has a very good chance of happening, even higher than SS and NH, you're worried about how well it might be delivered when it's finally realized given your disappointment in the way Kishi has chosen to develop her character when it comes to her views of love.

Is that about right?

[PhenixElite]

@luffyq1

I think I understand what you're trying to say.

While you believe that NS has a very good chance of happening, even higher than SS and NH, you're worried about how well it might be delivered when it's finally realized given your disappointment in the way Kishi has chosen to develop her character when it comes to her views of love.

Is that about right?

His comments say something else, like SS has a higher possibilty.

[luffyq1]

Yep! Now im sure you really see it from the point of a SS fan. The only thing youre talking about is the confession. The confession was just one event that says nothing about any pairing. Its not even clear at this point if really everything sakura told naruto was a lie.
Also you say THAT CONFESSION WAS THE LAST POSSIBILITY FOR SAKURA TO CHANGE HER FEELINGS, but who told you that it was the last chance, who told you that there wont be a time where sakura realizes that her feelings for naruto are the true ones not the ones for sasuke?(maybe during the fight when naruto gets hurt). Who told you all that? Maybe you chilled a little bit too long at NF.
Also if it is like that ten pls answer me the following questions:
Why is kshis showing naruto(the main character) in love with sakura since chapter 3?
Why is he giving so much hints on NS especially in part 2?
Why is he adding all the parralels, including kushinas word to naruto?
Why is he making a movie full of NS moments and trolls NH and SS in there?
Why is kishi showing showing that sakura has romantic feelings for naruto too?
Why is kishi showing narutos love selfless?

Pls answer me that. Then we can talk again about SS.

Sorry if i don't see things your way. Doesn't mean I'm a SS fan.

The confession was a big dramatic moment for Naruto & Sakura's relationship. It was put out in the open with no interruptions like Sai's conversation about the way Sakura treats Naruto, or Yamato's unfinished sentence, or Sakura's offer to feed Naruto. This was the moment. What happened? Well it turned out to be runner-up to the most awkwardly, emotionally, and forcefully confession I've seen in this manga. Sakura's confession to Sasuke is obviously worse than her confession to Naruto. That was Sakura at her lowest.

Who told you it was the last chance? No one. But if clinging onto this idea makes you feel better then go for it.

Who told you that there won't be a time where Sakura realizes her feelings for Naruto are the true ones not the one for Sasuke? I'm clinging onto that idea just as you are, relax.

Maybe you chilled a little bit too long at NF? Or maybe, just maybe, i decided to reread from the beginning of part 1 to now. But NF is a good way to view unbiased opinions.

Why is kishi showing Naruto (the main character) in love with Sakura since part 3? Same can be said for Sakura and Hinata. But that question should really be thrown at Sakura instead.

Why is he giving so much hints on NS especially on part 2? Who knows. Logic certainly won't help.

Why is he adding all the parallels, including Kushina's words to Naruto? Idk. You tell me.

Why is he making a movie full of NS moments and trolls NH and SS in there? Still has Sakura loving Sasuke in that movie, even if he did troll her with the rose.

Why is kishi showing that Sakura has romantic feelings for Naruto too? I thought that all was brought to the table during the confession. Part of her confession did have some truth in it after all, but gets negated as it is later shown that her heart truly belongs to Sasuke, as awful as it sounds.

Why is kishi showing Naruto's love selfless? Because he's a great guy and supports whatever Sakura does with her love life, even if it's not with him. The guy ain't expecting her love.

Edited by luffyq1, 11 December 2012 - 02:27 PM.

[PhenixElite]

Sorry if i don't see things your way. Doesn't mean I'm a SS fan.

The confession was a big dramatic moment for Naruto & Sakura's relationship. It was put out in the open with no interruptions like Sai's conversation about the way Sakura treats Naruto, or Yamato's unfinished sentence, or Sakura's offer to feed Naruto. This was the moment. What happened? Well it turned out to be second to the most awkwardly, emotionally, and forcefully confession I've seen in this manga. Sakura's confession to Sasuke is obviously worse than her confession to Naruto. That was Sakura at her lowest.

Who told you it was the last chance? No one. But if clinging onto this idea makes you feel better then go for it.

Who told you that there won't be a time where Sakura realizes her feelings for Naruto are the true ones not the one for Sasuke? I'm clinging onto that idea just as you are, relax.

Maybe you chilled a little bit too long at NF? Or maybe, just maybe, i decided to reread from the beginning of part 1 to now. But NF is a good way to view unbiased opinions.

Why is kishi showing Naruto (the main character) in love with Sakura since part 3? Same can be said for Sakura and Hinata. But that question should really be thrown at Sakura instead.

Why is he giving so much hints on NS especially on part 2? Who knows. Logic certainly won't help.

Why is he adding all the parallels, including Kushina's words to Naruto? Idk. You tell me.

Why is he making a movie full of NS moments and trolls NH and SS in there? Still has Sakura loving Sasuke in that movie, even if he did troll her with the rose.

Why is kishi showing that Sakura has romantic feelings for Naruto too? I thought that all was brought to the table during the confession. Part of her confession did have some truth in it after all, but gets negated as it is later shown that her heart truly belongs to Sasuke, as awful as it sounds.

Why is kishi showing Naruto's love selfless? Because he's a great guy and supports whatever Sakura does with her love life, even if it's not with him. The guy ain't expecting her love.

As i already thought you cant really answer this qestions.
But yeah You cant say the same for sakuras feelings for sasuke since chapter 3 since sakura is not the main protoganist who the manga is named after. Also sakuras instead of naruto has already shown doubts forher love and developed feelings for naruto.

As for the unbiased view of NF: i just cant stop laughing.

The movie showed how sakura realized that sasuke is the wrong guy and you kind of see her moving on to naruto. Maybe some forshadowing!?

The last time: no the confession did not show that sakura has no romantic feelings for naruto, it was the exact opposite

As for the last answer: naruto is the the main character so you think kishi makes him loosing one of his most important goals?
Pls tell me the sence in that! Whats the message in showing the main character loosing the love of his life?

Just give it up these are no real arguments you couldnt even answer why hes adding parrallels and hints.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well one thing I would say is wait. To be honest, that's all I can say that will at least put out the fire in here. I already made too many posts, that I couldn't get on with the stuff I should be doing here. That said we should just wait and see where is the manga taking us. No one in here is either right or wrong about the future event that current event foreshadowed. All will be addressed soon enough.

I understand what are you trying to say, but the problem is that while you brought out the negative of NS, being that Sakura still loves Sasuke, you did make it seem like SS is inevitable, whether you and I like it or not. It's as if you brought it up to see how can we talk you out of it, intentionally or not. I could say just wait and see. Yes, she did have the chance to get over with Sasuke, but sadly, we weren't at the end, so we got to keep pushing it for the development/profit sake. Plus, I didn't mind that much, for now at least, because when I think about it, it's about time we tackle Sakura's feelings within Team 7. The reason why I was upset in Kage Summit Arc is because I got to see Sakura being all weak once again and I'm not talking about strength. You can't count Sai and Sasuke Arc because let's be honest, they didn't talk at all and it was more about Naruto finally meeting him after 2.5 years. The recent reunion was about all of them individually interacting Sasuke and feeling doubt that the old days are long gone. So naturally, Kishi wants to tackle on Sakura's feelings for Sasuke further. I already accept the fact she loves him; it's just the question is to what extent. She may love him after the murder attempt, but it would seem like reality was clicking her until Zetsu shows up and such.

I understand that you have the impression that Kishi will screw all of us or the fact he didn't make it clear, so he's a bad writer. I don't judge until the manga ends. Since this is a weekly manga, everyone will stay on their first impression until they decided to read again. Also age will matter too. I remember I didn't understand one story but love the gameplay. 7 years later, I went back and couldn't believe how great the story was. Naruto has it worse because this is this generation's breakthrough to all anime/manga. Like if you watch/read this, you should check others. I'm not referring to you, just in general. Unfortunately, we got people who probably overthinking the situtation or the event that supposed to romantic. Despite the background of the character, the story is not that complicated, rather straight forward. All I'm saying is that if you think he's a bad writer, fine, that's ok with me. Just don't let that effect you entirely for the upcoming events. Anything can happen and shouldn't look down.

I got to say, weren't you full of confidence back in NF. It does seem funny to think that you got by SS/NH fandom and control you. I'm only kidding but looks that way, not saying you are. I know you are not being biased, but let's be honest, even the general fans think NS is the pairing to go. Mainly, they would say if NH happens, well ok then, your call. This arc to me is their last saving grace. If Naruto confirms flat out that he still loves Sakura, then what's the point of keep hoping for Hinata, especially this arc most likely the last time we see the side characters to shine. Also, we got to see where Sakura stand in this, like will she notice something about Naruto. While it is only a thought, anything can happen. We once here doubt Rin being the main factor for Obito's turn, but here we are. Say what you want about Obito's reason, but Rin was very important in that flashback. Just take it easy and wait for the future. Time will tell.