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[Living Lavish]

>Implying that I'm a NaruHina fan...

But I'm going to defend them just this once (although I don't believe that NaruHina will be canon)

There are moments (canon and non-canon) where Kishimoto hints to the fact that NaruHina could be canon, for example Hinata's fight against Pain (in which Naruto shows genuine concern for her, but that's not enough to go on...).

However, the NaruSaku moments in Naruto don't seem to be flooding in either, the point I'm making is that although both girls have "confessed" there isn't enough evidence to state which one Naruto will end up with... There's only baseless assumptions and opinions that are flying around...

What's stopping Naruto from ending up with both girls, or Temari... or even Gaara?

Another ridiculous comment from you.

Narusaku is the most developed het pairing in the manga and the second strongest bond in the manga. if you don't understand this your in denial or not a fan.

Its canon in manga that Naruto is in love with Sakura! nothing since has made changed that so you can't argued against it and has so since chapter 3. Meanwhile he has shown not one single hint of attraction towards Hinata or romantic love. the fact is he is STILL in LOVE with Sakura after Hinatas confession says it all.

If you been reading, the Mina/Kushi parellel is the lastest hint supporting are pairing. the fact that Kushina told Naruto to find a girl like her and not be reeled in by a weird one explains how Naruto grew up and found a girl like her, Sakura. the generation surpassing the last generation, and Naruto succeeding where Jiraiya failed is also a hint in are direction. So while NaruSaku has forshadowing. Kishi has yet to hint at anything Naruhina at all, no evidence man. so your false.

your last comment was pointless.

just say your a NH fan already

Edited by Living Lavish, 21 October 2011 - 04:15 PM.

[LegendaryArcanine42]

:o.....first part.... http://www.mangaread.../chapter-3.html
http://www.mangaread.../chapter-3.html
http://www.mangaread...hapter-458.html
http://www.mangaread...hapter-457.html
http://www.mangaread...hapter-457.html

hes liked her this long i mean why switch the girl now??? sakura has been supporting naruto through thick and thin. something hinata has only done ONCE. why would he change girls??? what? if every girl just decides to jump in and save him will he have to always change his mind??

I understand that he has feelings for Sakura, but does he have feeling JUST for her?

Let that one sink in for a moment, oh and...

http://www.mangaread...hapter-441.html

Bit of NaruHina for ya, he does show concern

Another ridiculous comment from you.

Narusaku is the most developed het pairing in the manga and the second strongest bond in the manga. if you don't understand this your in denial or not a fan.

Its canon in manga that Naruto is in love with Sakura! nothing since has made changed that so you can't argued against it and has so since chapter 3. Meanwhile he has shown not one single hint of attraction towards Hinata or romantic love. the fact is he is STILL in LOVE with Sakura after Hinatas confession says it all.

If you been reading, the Mina/Kushi parellel is the lastest hint supporting are pairing. the fact that Kushina told Naruto to find a girl like her and not be reeled in by a weird one explains how Naruto grew up and found a girl like her, Sakura. the generation surpassing the last generation, and Naruto succeeding where Jiraiya failed is also a hint in are direction. So while NaruSaku has forshadowing. Kishi has yet to hint at anything Naruhina at all, no evidence man. so your false.

your last comment was pointless.

just say your a NH fan already

Firstly, not a fan of any pairing, I defend NaruSaku, I defend NaruHina and I defend Jiraiya + Kisame... IT CAN HAPPEN >:O

Also, ridiculous comment? So because I don't agree with you I'm immediately ridiculous... That's very good logic right there pal ¬_¬

Now to take your comment seriously, NaruSaku IS the most developed het pairing, I agree with you... But that doesn't mean that it WILL come true, it is only an implication and therefore we can't go along with an implication and treat is as fact, because it is not! That's just common sense!

Oh and no evidence? There is plenty of evidence that supports ANY pairing if you want to take an implication and make it fact... Temari being in awe with Naruto's strength, that could be the basis of a NaruTemari canon relationship!

That's the thing with a writer, they can make anything canon because it's their story...

Does my comment still sound pointless? Or maybe you just have no sense of humour and/or common sense and YOU'RE in denial...

Edited by Densetsu-Kun, 21 October 2011 - 04:22 PM.

[merryGOflava]

I understand that he has feelings for Sakura, but does he have feeling JUST for her?

Let that one sink in for a moment, oh and...

http://www.mangaread...hapter-441.html

Bit of NaruHina for ya, he does show concern

but thats JUST concern. you cant prove that he wouldnt of gotten concered if someone ELSE tired to risk their life for him.

in that certain situation, you cant prove anything. cause the way naruto felt was natural here. he didnt want his friend to die.

you have to give a situation where hes just roaming through the village or something and looks at hinata and seems very interested.

otherwise your just giving life or death feelings of concern. im sure naruto doesnt want anybody to die. especially people from rookie nine. he would have had the same face for shikmaru, gaara, and sakura.

but the difference with sakura is he has said he has been interested in her. and not because shes about to die.

Edited by merryGOflava, 21 October 2011 - 04:21 PM.

[Living Lavish]

I understand that he has feelings for Sakura, but does he have feeling JUST for her?

Let that one sink in for a moment, oh and...

http://www.mangaread...hapter-441.html

Bit of NaruHina for ya, he does show concern

LOL thats concern for the everybody in the village not just Hinata. how the hell does that prove romantic feelings she killed herself in selfish way.

MerryGOflava said it best.

[LegendaryArcanine42]

but thats JUST concern. you cant prove that he wouldnt of gotten concered if someone ELSE tired to risk their life for him.

in that certain situation, you cant prove anything. cause the way naruto felt was natural here. he didnt want his friend to die.

you have to give a situation where hes just roaming through the village or something and looks at hinata and seems very interested.

otherwise your just giving life or death feelings of concern. im sure naruto doesnt want anybody to die. especially people from rookie nine. he would have had the same face for shikmaru, gaara, and sakura.

but the difference with sakura is he has said he has been interested in her. and not because shes about to die.

Well isn't that what you're basing it on? Concern and/or implications? What I'm trying to say here is that Naruto was physically hurt (clutching at his chest) at the thought of him doing that to Hinata... And if you checked out my newly, brand-spanking, modified post. You'd see that implication is a powerful thing and that it could set up any form of canon pairing...

I could go to a random pairing generator, RIGHT NOW, and explain how that pairing could be canon... Until NaruSaku is guaranteed don't complain about not having evidence...

Don't get me wrong though, I believe it's pretty much canon too, otherwise I wouldn't be on a NaruSaku forum, but I just want to offer another point of view

[ciardha]

I understand that he has feelings for Sakura, but does he have feeling JUST for her?

Let that one sink in for a moment, oh and...

http://www.mangaread...hapter-441.html

Bit of NaruHina for ya, he does show concern

LOL That's like calling Sakura's concern for Rock Lee in the Forest of Death LeeSaku. Heck, Sakura showed more concern for Rock Lee, she even visited him daily in the hospital and left him a flower when he got hurt in the Chunin Exams. But I don't see any rabid LeeSaku shippers insisting Sakura has romantic feelings for him. Good grief, Kishimoto even makes a point of not just narratively, but visually paralleling Rock Lee and Hinata. I think it'd be hystical if Kishimoto ended up putting Hinata together with Rock Lee... I'd laugh myself silly it would be such a perfect funny wake up call to all the rabid Naruhina shippers. Support characters, folks.

[merryGOflava]

Well isn't that what you're basing it on? Concern and/or implications? What I'm trying to say here is that Naruto was physically hurt (clutching at his chest) at the thought of him doing that to Hinata... And if you checked out my newly, brand-spanking, modified post. You'd see that implication is a powerful thing and that it could set up any form of canon pairing...

I could go to a random pairing generator, RIGHT NOW, and explain how that pairing could be canon... Until NaruSaku is guaranteed don't complain about not having evidence...

Don't get me wrong though, I believe it's pretty much canon too, otherwise I wouldn't be on a NaruSaku forum, but I just want to offer another point of view

.......but he did the same for sasuke.....he clutched his chest when he thought sasuke was dead too. in the zabuza arc. but im sure he doesnt "love love" sasuke he was concerned cause sasuke is his friend. heck he hyperventilated for sasuke too XD

OH WAIT he did the chest thing with gaara too XD and even cried

Edited by merryGOflava, 21 October 2011 - 04:30 PM.

[LegendaryArcanine42]

.......but he did the same for sasuke.....he clutched his chest when he thought sasuke was dead too. in the zabuza arc. but im sure he doesnt "love love" sasuke he was concerned cause sasuke is his friend.

OH WAIT he did the chest thing with gaara too XD

LOL That's like calling Sakura's concern for Rock Lee in the Forest of Death LeeSaku. Heck, Sakura showed more concern for Rock Lee, she even visited him daily in the hospital and left him a flower when he got hurt in the Chunin Exams. But I don't see any rabid LeeSaku shippers insisting Sakura has romantic feelings for him. Good grief, Kishimoto even makes a point of not just narratively, but visually paralleling Rock Lee and Hinata. I think it'd be hystical if Kishimoto ended up putting Hinata together with Rock Lee... I'd laugh myself silly it would be such a perfect funny wake up call to all the rabid Naruhina shippers. Support characters, folks.

My point exactly... Kishimoto can do what he wants! He could set up LeeSaku just from what happened in the Chuunin Exam Arc. He could set up GaaraTemari on the basis that IncestFTW, and "Kishimoto makes a point narratively" is irrelevant at this point...

Have you not seen the amount of contradictions there are in Naruto? Do I even need to mention them?

I swear, there are more contradictions in one chapter of Naruto than there are in the entirety of the Bible. True chiz bro...

And have you seen the amount of NaruSasu shippers there are? If Kishimoto gives into public pressure then NaruSasu will no longer be a genjutsu... it will be a KINJUTSU!!! ZOMGWTFEPIC!!!

So then, still think that NaruSaku is canon or even certain to be? I agree that it's the most likely thing to happen... but you know what they say about predictable storytelling? IT DOES NOT HAPPEN OUTSIDE OF FAIRY TAIL!!! I mean... FAIRY TALES!!!

>.>

<.<

No one saw that, right?

[merryGOflava]

So then, still think that NaruSaku is canon or even certain to be? I agree that it's the most likely thing to happen... but you know what they say about predictable storytelling? IT DOES NOT HAPPEN OUTSIDE OF FAIRY TAIL!!! I mean... FAIRY TALES!!!

>.>

<.<

No one saw that, right?

but thats just it.....narusaku isnt predictable. the girl hated naruto at one point and had to take a WHOLE new turn as she got to know him better

she likes/ liked sasuke all this time. and finally moving away from him.

and you say its predictable!!!? half the people dont know WHO she loves more now!!

and leesaku......lee said if he couldnt catch the last leaf, sakura will never love him back....and he didnt catch it. he kinda screwed himself with that one

[Fenris]

Holy crap. LeeSaku will never happen. NaruSasu has a better chance of happening. LeeSaku, imo, It has no development at all besides Sakura supporting him as a friend - and I don't even see much of that. They're like aquatints.

Edited by iamfenris, 21 October 2011 - 04:54 PM.

[LegendaryArcanine42]

but thats just it.....narusaku isnt predictable. the girl hated naruto at one point and had to take a WHOLE new turn as she got to know him better

she likes/ liked sasuke all this time. and finally moving away from him.

and you say its predictable!!!? half the people dont know WHO she loves more now!!

and leesaku......lee said if he couldnt catch the last leaf, sakura will never love him back....and he didnt catch it. he kinda screwed himself with that one

Wait what? Sakura is pretty much a Tsundere put into an awkward emotional situation... If Chichi went through the same situation, she would act the same way...

And I'm not supporting LeeSaku or any of the crackpot pairings I brought up, I'm saying that there's a possibility it could happen! If you could please step past the fourth wall and realise that a guy called Kishimoto is writing this and he could do whatever he wants with his story...

You could protest all you want, but at the end of the day if Kishi wants to do LeeSaku... THEN LEESAKU SHALL BE DONE!!!

Oh and it is predictable, he said he loves her, she doesn't love him... He goes through the twelve tasks of Hercules to try and get her and they set off on a chariot to Mount Olympia.

But it's a typical, boy gets hard-to-get girl ending, if NaruSaku happens! What ISN'T predictable about that?

[Living Lavish]

I understand that he has feelings for Sakura, but does he have feeling JUST for her?

Let that one sink in for a moment, oh and...

http://www.mangaread...hapter-441.html

Bit of NaruHina for ya, he does show concern



Firstly, not a fan of any pairing, I defend NaruSaku, I defend NaruHina and I defend Jiraiya + Kisame... IT CAN HAPPEN >:O

Also, ridiculous comment? So because I don't agree with you I'm immediately ridiculous... That's very good logic right there pal ¬_¬

Now to take your comment seriously, NaruSaku IS the most developed het pairing, I agree with you... But that doesn't mean that it WILL come true, it is only an implication and therefore we can't go along with an implication and treat is as fact, because it is not! That's just common sense!

Oh and no evidence? There is plenty of evidence that supports ANY pairing if you want to take an implication and make it fact... Temari being in awe with Naruto's strength, that could be the basis of a NaruTemari canon relationship!

That's the thing with a writer, they can make anything canon because it's their story...

Does my comment still sound pointless? Or maybe you just have no sense of humour and/or common sense and YOU'RE in denial...

Fan of NS? well since your first post here you been argueing against NS and favoring NH. so i don't no about that.

Now you right just because NS is the most developed pairing doesn't mean it will come throught. but looking at the all the NS moments, the hints, Kushina's words, Kishi comments, Sakuras feelings for Naruto, the hug etc. the fact that this manga is named NARUTO not ''Hinata''
the fact that Sakura is the only person of the unrequited sides of the relationships (Naruto ->Sakura, Hinata->Naruto, and Sakura->Sasuke) that has shown any, let alone multiple, signs of having romantic feelings for the requited side of the relationship. it all tells me witch pairing Kishi finds more important and obviously thats NaruSaku. its confirmed Naruto loves Sakura WTF are you talking about?

To say theres plenty of evidence to support any pairing is silly. seriously what are you going on about? the reason why i say you're comment is ridiculous because you base your opinions on no evidence to back up your claims, you make up kitten or you completely read it wrong the way it was intended by Kishi. seriously its a debate thread, what im suppose to do is pick away at the weak holes in your comments.

Difference between me and you is i can back up what im saying using the manga that Kishi has shown us pairing wise. you make assumptions that really arent there to begin with that nobody in there right mind would use for their side. Now you think i have no common sense....lol why? sorry but im using logic while you on the other hand are not. end of.

Does your comments still sound pointless? so far you still haven't said anything concrete. now you accuse me of having no humour? WTF does that got to do with anything? but i do enjoy a good laugh like anybody else.... like right now lol

Edited by Living Lavish, 21 October 2011 - 05:16 PM.

[Fenris]

Wait what? Sakura is pretty much a Tsundere put into an awkward emotional situation... If Chichi went through the same situation, she would act the same way...

And I'm not supporting LeeSaku or any of the crackpot pairings I brought up, I'm saying that there's a possibility it could happen! If you could please step past the fourth wall and realise that a guy called Kishimoto is writing this and he could do whatever he wants with his story...

You could protest all you want, but at the end of the day if Kishi wants to do LeeSaku... THEN LEESAKU SHALL BE DONE!!!

Oh and it is predictable, he said he loves her, she doesn't love him... He goes through the twelve tasks of Hercules to try and get her and they set off on a chariot to Mount Olympia.

But it's a typical, boy gets hard-to-get girl ending, if NaruSaku happens! What ISN'T predictable about that?

Of course hes going to show concern for Hinata. He seen her get killed by Pein. And, hes her friend.

Edited by iamfenris, 21 October 2011 - 05:18 PM.

[Living Lavish]

Wait what? Sakura is pretty much a Tsundere put into an awkward emotional situation... If Chichi went through the same situation, she would act the same way...

And I'm not supporting LeeSaku or any of the crackpot pairings I brought up, I'm saying that there's a possibility it could happen! If you could please step past the fourth wall and realise that a guy called Kishimoto is writing this and he could do whatever he wants with his story...

You could protest all you want, but at the end of the day if Kishi wants to do LeeSaku... THEN LEESAKU SHALL BE DONE!!!

Oh and it is predictable, he said he loves her, she doesn't love him... He goes through the twelve tasks of Hercules to try and get her and they set off on a chariot to Mount Olympia.

But it's a typical, boy gets hard-to-get girl ending, if NaruSaku happens! What ISN'T predictable about that?

Jesus christ, theres nothing at this point to even suggest LeeSaku is possible. lol

@iamfenris agreed and he wants to talk to me about common sense?

Edited by Living Lavish, 21 October 2011 - 05:28 PM.

[LegendaryArcanine42]

Fan of NS? well since your first post here you been argueing against NS. so i don't no about that.

Now you right just because NS is the most developed pairing doesn't mean it will come throught. but looking at the all the NS moments, the hints, Kushina's words, Kishi comments, Sakuras feelings for Naruto, the hug etc. the fact that this manga is named NARUTO not ''Hinata''
the fact that Sakura is the only person of the unrequited sides of the relationships (Naruto ->Sakura, Hinata->Naruto, and Sakura->Sasuke) that has shown any, let alone multiple, signs of having romantic feelings for the requited side of the relationship. it all tells me witch pairing Kishi finds more important and obviously thats NaruSaku. NS is only and implication? its confirmed Naruto loves Sakura WTF are you talking about?

To say theres plenty of evidence to support any pairing is silly. seriously what are you going on about? the reason why i say you're comment is ridiculous because you base your opinions on no evidence to back up your claims, you make up kitten or you completely read it wrong the way it was intended by Kishi. seriously its a debate thread, what im suppose to do is pick away at the weak holes in your comments.

Difference between me and you is i can back up what im saying using the manga that Kishi has shown us pairing wise. you make assumptions that really arent there to begin with that nobody in there right mind would use for their side. Now you think i have no common sense....lol why? sorry but im using logic while you on the other hand are not. end of.

Does your comments still sound pointless? so far you still haven't said anything concrete. now you accuse me of having no humour? WTF does that got to do with anything? but i do enjoy a good laugh like anybody else.... like right now lol

Now to counter what you've said... PARAGRAPH-BY-PARAGRAPH!!!

1. If you read what you just quoted me on, I said that I'm not a fan of any pairing... And I only argue against NS because that's the pairing that everyone is defending on this "debate".

2. In your very first line you contradicted yourself, you said that you agree with the fact that just because NS is developed it doesn't mean it will come through... But then you go on to state the many hints and implications in the manga and state that because of these developments, it is guaran-damn-teed that NaruSaku is canon...

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? >:O

NS is an implication, Naru loves Saku but Saku no love Naru yet... So NaruSaku isn't NaruSaku yet... Got it? Good, then it's an implication.

3. Now I never said that there is plenty of evidence to support the pairing, but I'm saying that I could give a reason why it would be canon... want an example? Throw one at me

And I have no actual opinion, I'm saying that Kishi is a writer, it's his story and he has the power to make ShinoTsunade canon... Pick a "weakhole" in that! And yeah my comments can be ridiculous, but they are also true... And if you say that they're false then your either an idiot, don't understand what I'm saying or don't understand the concept of a storywriter trolling his fans. In that case, search up GAINAX...

4. Oh okay, use the manga to back up this and that... Kishimoto is the one writing it, if he wants NaruHina he will make up some crap and make it canon, the hints in the manga won't stop that! We were led to believe that Tobi is Madara, and then Madara appears back from the dead... You still wanna say that Kishi can't make any pairing canon? There might not even be a pairing, and Naruto might change career path and become an abstinent monk, NaruSaku is not definite until it's canon!

Also, if you were using logic, you'd realize that basing what a writer wants to write on what he's written before is just setting yourself up for mass shock when he unveils HIS SUPER SECRET SMEXY PLOT TWIST THAT PWNS ALL OF YOU!!! :O

5. And finally, you sounded like an elitist and I've had negative meetings with many elitists, so I assumed (like you're constantly doing) that you had no sense of humour, to which I apologize... The main basis of that comment was the fact that you called my comments ridiculous and I thought you were referring to the little side comments I make...

But that aside, lrn2applyrealworldtoyourargumentmm'kay?

Jesus christ, theres nothing at this point to even suggest LeeSaku is possible. lol

@iamfenris agreed and he wants to talk to me about common sense?

Yeah, I think you've gotten the point now, but just for kicks I'll repeat myself...

The manga can say whatever, Kishi's writing and Kishi can write whatever he wants...

And that goes for iamfenris too... If that's what gets Naruto to fall for her, then so be it.

In fact I could write a scenario in which Kishi could use that and make a canon relationship out of it :3

Edited by Densetsu-Kun, 21 October 2011 - 05:32 PM.

[merryGOflava]

NS is an implication, Naru loves Saku but Saku no love Naru yet... So NaruSaku isn't NaruSaku yet... Got it? Good, then it's an implication.

3. Now I never said that there is plenty of evidence to support the pairing, but I'm saying that I could give a reason why it would be canon... want an example? Throw one at me

i think what were saying is.....its too LATE in the game for naruto to suddenly have feelings for hinata, when hes had feelings for sakura this whole time and hasnt even noticed hinata.

you could say the same for sakura except, there are many times sakura has cared for naruto more than sasuke himself.

see what sakura does is SPEND time with naruto, which hinata does not. coupled by the fact that naruto already likes sakura and TADA~ narusaku is waaay more likely.

lets see:

hinata--> naruto(but he never talks to her or noticed her)
naruto-->sakura (she spends lots of time with him and is warming up to him alot)
sakura--> sasuke? ( he doesnt like her, never will)

you could also say kishi could pull something OUTTA NOWHERE but without hints or development it will seem like bad writing.

[dokueki(venom)]

I've been for so long it sucks. It takes me weeks to months to catch up on Chapters. I miss all the big disscussions. I hate myself and I hate this slow internet I have. I still support NS strong. Sadly I can't put my two cents on this since what I might has alreay been said.

[Fenris]

Now to counter what you've said... PARAGRAPH-BY-PARAGRAPH!!!

1. If you read what you just quoted me on, I said that I'm not a fan of any pairing... And I only argue against NS because that's the pairing that everyone is defending on this "debate".

2. In your very first line you contradicted yourself, you said that you agree with the fact that just because NS is developed it doesn't mean it will come through... But then you go on to state the many hints and implications in the manga and state that because of these developments, it is guaran-damn-teed that NaruSaku is canon...

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? >:O

NS is an implication, Naru loves Saku but Saku no love Naru yet... So NaruSaku isn't NaruSaku yet... Got it? Good, then it's an implication.

3. Now I never said that there is plenty of evidence to support the pairing, but I'm saying that I could give a reason why it would be canon... want an example? Throw one at me

And I have no actual opinion, I'm saying that Kishi is a writer, it's his story and he has the power to make ShinoTsunade canon... Pick a "weakhole" in that! And yeah my comments can be ridiculous, but they are also true... And if you say that they're false then your either an idiot, don't understand what I'm saying or don't understand the concept of a storywriter trolling his fans. In that case, search up GAINAX...

4. Oh okay, use the manga to back up this and that... Kishimoto is the one writing it, if he wants NaruHina he will make up some crap and make it canon, the hints in the manga won't stop that! We were led to believe that Tobi is Madara, and then Madara appears back from the dead... You still wanna say that Kishi can't make any pairing canon? There might not even be a pairing, and Naruto might change career path and become an abstinent monk, NaruSaku is not definite until it's canon!

Also, if you were using logic, you'd realize that basing what a writer wants to write on what he's written before is just setting yourself up for mass shock when he unveils HIS SUPER SECRET SMEXY PLOT TWIST THAT PWNS ALL OF YOU!!! :O

5. And finally, you sounded like an elitist and I've had negative meetings with many elitists, so I assumed (like you're constantly doing) that you had no sense of humour, to which I apologize... The main basis of that comment was the fact that you called my comments ridiculous and I thought you were referring to the little side comments I make...

But that aside, lrn2applyrealworldtoyourargumentmm'kay?



Yeah, I think you've gotten the point now, but just for kicks I'll repeat myself...

The manga can say whatever, Kishi's writing and Kishi can write whatever he wants...

And that goes for iamfenris too... If that's what gets Naruto to fall for her, then so be it.

In fact I could write a scenario in which Kishi could use that and make a canon relationship out of it :3

Bolded statement.



We have discussed this in this thread over a million times. Sakura, in fact, does love Naruto. It's possible for a girl to love two guys at the same time, or love one guy, with all of her heart, and be weighed down by a "previous" relationship or previous feelings for someone, thus causing stress in the relationship category. .... Ask my ex.
Anyway.

Of course Kishi would write whatever he want, but why would he CHANGE everything he's already built up for NS. Their bond is the strongest friendship in the manga, you can't even argue about that - besides Naruto and Sasuke - even though he doesn't give a flying floopity do about either of them. It'd be a total waste for him to love Sakura all this time and then be all, "OH HINATA, MARRY ME BBY"

Hinata... okay, she's tolerable in my opinion, I don't much fancy her, but does she have a chance with Naruto? In my opinion, realistically, no. Naruto has loved Sakura since the beginning of Naruto - years and years ago. His love for her hasn't changed, and Kishi has revised this multiple times in previous chapters in Shippuden like his discussion with Sai and Sais confession to Sakura about how Naruto loves her, and how.. yeah, you get it. //le sigh.//

Edited by iamfenris, 21 October 2011 - 06:39 PM.

[Greed-Sama]

Now to counter what you've said... PARAGRAPH-BY-PARAGRAPH!!!

1. If you read what you just quoted me on, I said that I'm not a fan of any pairing... And I only argue against NS because that's the pairing that everyone is defending on this "debate".

2. In your very first line you contradicted yourself, you said that you agree with the fact that just because NS is developed it doesn't mean it will come through... But then you go on to state the many hints and implications in the manga and state that because of these developments, it is guaran-damn-teed that NaruSaku is canon...

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? >:O

NS is an implication, Naru loves Saku but Saku no love Naru yet... So NaruSaku isn't NaruSaku yet... Got it? Good, then it's an implication.

3. Now I never said that there is plenty of evidence to support the pairing, but I'm saying that I could give a reason why it would be canon... want an example? Throw one at me

And I have no actual opinion, I'm saying that Kishi is a writer, it's his story and he has the power to make ShinoTsunade canon... Pick a "weakhole" in that! And yeah my comments can be ridiculous, but they are also true... And if you say that they're false then your either an idiot, don't understand what I'm saying or don't understand the concept of a storywriter trolling his fans. In that case, search up GAINAX...

4. Oh okay, use the manga to back up this and that... Kishimoto is the one writing it, if he wants NaruHina he will make up some crap and make it canon, the hints in the manga won't stop that! We were led to believe that Tobi is Madara, and then Madara appears back from the dead... You still wanna say that Kishi can't make any pairing canon? There might not even be a pairing, and Naruto might change career path and become an abstinent monk, NaruSaku is not definite until it's canon!

Also, if you were using logic, you'd realize that basing what a writer wants to write on what he's written before is just setting yourself up for mass shock when he unveils HIS SUPER SECRET SMEXY PLOT TWIST THAT PWNS ALL OF YOU!!! :O

5. And finally, you sounded like an elitist and I've had negative meetings with many elitists, so I assumed (like you're constantly doing) that you had no sense of humour, to which I apologize... The main basis of that comment was the fact that you called my comments ridiculous and I thought you were referring to the little side comments I make...

But that aside, lrn2applyrealworldtoyourargumentmm'kay?



Yeah, I think you've gotten the point now, but just for kicks I'll repeat myself...

The manga can say whatever, Kishi's writing and Kishi can write whatever he wants...

And that goes for iamfenris too... If that's what gets Naruto to fall for her, then so be it.

In fact I could write a scenario in which Kishi could use that and make a canon relationship out of it :3

The only thing you use to argue is "Kishi's the writer." While that is correct, most writers are not going to troll their readers. Are there exceptions to the rule? Absolutely. But I'm not going to base my assumptions or conclusions off an exception. I'm well aware of what can happen, but for now, evidence in the manga says NaruSaku will be canon. If something changes, then so be it. Your argument is as valid as, "Kishimoto could die and no pairing could happen." While's thats a possibility, unless it happens I'm not going to even consider the implications to the manga.

Also your tone to the other members of this forum seems very sardonic and condescending. It's a level that's kosher for now, but I'm just making sure you know not to go overboard.

[Living Lavish]

Now to counter what you've said... PARAGRAPH-BY-PARAGRAPH!!!

1. If you read what you just quoted me on, I said that I'm not a fan of any pairing... And I only argue against NS because that's the pairing that everyone is defending on this "debate".

2. In your very first line you contradicted yourself, you said that you agree with the fact that just because NS is developed it doesn't mean it will come through... But then you go on to state the many hints and implications in the manga and state that because of these developments, it is guaran-damn-teed that NaruSaku is canon...

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? >:O

NS is an implication, Naru loves Saku but Saku no love Naru yet... So NaruSaku isn't NaruSaku yet... Got it? Good, then it's an implication.

3. Now I never said that there is plenty of evidence to support the pairing, but I'm saying that I could give a reason why it would be canon... want an example? Throw one at me

And I have no actual opinion, I'm saying that Kishi is a writer, it's his story and he has the power to make ShinoTsunade canon... Pick a "weakhole" in that! And yeah my comments can be ridiculous, but they are also true... And if you say that they're false then your either an idiot, don't understand what I'm saying or don't understand the concept of a storywriter trolling his fans. In that case, search up GAINAX...

4. Oh okay, use the manga to back up this and that... Kishimoto is the one writing it, if he wants NaruHina he will make up some crap and make it canon, the hints in the manga won't stop that! We were led to believe that Tobi is Madara, and then Madara appears back from the dead... You still wanna say that Kishi can't make any pairing canon? There might not even be a pairing, and Naruto might change career path and become an abstinent monk, NaruSaku is not definite until it's canon!

Also, if you were using logic, you'd realize that basing what a writer wants to write on what he's written before is just setting yourself up for mass shock when he unveils HIS SUPER SECRET SMEXY PLOT TWIST THAT PWNS ALL OF YOU!!! :O

5. And finally, you sounded like an elitist and I've had negative meetings with many elitists, so I assumed (like you're constantly doing) that you had no sense of humour, to which I apologize... The main basis of that comment was the fact that you called my comments ridiculous and I thought you were referring to the little side comments I make...

But that aside, lrn2applyrealworldtoyourargumentmm'kay?



Yeah, I think you've gotten the point now, but just for kicks I'll repeat myself...

The manga can say whatever, Kishi's writing and Kishi can write whatever he wants...

And that goes for iamfenris too... If that's what gets Naruto to fall for her, then so be it.

In fact I could write a scenario in which Kishi could use that and make a canon relationship out of it :3

1. I see no point in being here if your not a fan. just come out and say your NH fan. stop fukkin about.


2. False step your reading comprehention game up. I said its true that the most developed pairing doesn't mean its gonna happen. BUT given the hints, Kushinas words etc. and all the other examples i gave you. i said its obvious witch pairing Kishi finds more important when you look at them all. Bascially if you look at these moments and what they mean to the overall manga. i believe NS is the end pairing.

aleast you u got it throught your head about Naruto well done. *claps*

3. Trust me i understand the concept of the story cuz i read it. problem is think you don't. Kishi can do anything yes, But so far he hasn't switched up to a whole other direction. Infact he still mentioned the new generation surpassing the last couple chapters ago, Naruto is the child of Prophecy, Kushinas words to Naruto it all speaks for its self. important scenes

4. The hints are important to the overall plot. he wouldn't have put them there in the first place had he not planned on fullying them. if he decided to go in another direction all of sudden then 560 pages of manga so far would be pointless and Kishi would come off as an even more terrible writer people think he is.
but i seriously don't beleive that will happen. nothing in the manga suggest it has anyway.

The point is where heading to the end of the manga, the final stages. So Kishi turning around now would ludicrous. when hes built everyting from the ground up brick by brick. of course theres gonna be plot twists. Like when we see Sakura finally realizing how she feels about Naruto. but Don't be surprised we can tell Kishi was hinting before.

Jesus chirst again. I never said NS is definite i said i believe it is because of overhelming evidence.

5.Well because english is my second language i come off that way. but yeah my point stands. Also sorry but its not my fault some of your comments fail. people are not idiots just because they don't take that dumbass kitten serious. its annoying (i'm talking about your last few posts) i hope you admit that. Trust me im not saying you're completely stupid either.

Edited by Living Lavish, 21 October 2011 - 07:00 PM.