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[PhenixElite]

Well Sakura still loves but that's not the point and I can see where Luffy comes from, Kishi has great ideas it's just the execution sometimes can be pretty terrible still that doesn't change the fact that he is nonetheless consistent in certain matters and he's not going to throw away all his work just t make a last minute asspull. People freak out because of one chapter or one panel but they forget to see the manga as a whole and it's quite clear the direction he takes; That's also one of the reason why I don't participate in debates that much, I know for a fact that the next NS/NH/SS moment will make people scream canon and these people will forget everything that has happened before. My opinion on the mater has never changed it will be NS or nothng and even that seems not very likely with the amount of focus on romance. Anyway let the manga go on and see what happens it's the best thing to do instead of torturing yourself.

Thanks atleast one who shares my opinions.
Also because of your name i think you main language is german too right?
Wenn das so ist dan schön dich kennen zu lernen:)

[Weltall]

Thanks atleast one who shares my opinions.
Also because of your name i think you main language is german too right?
Wenn das so ist dan schön dich kennen zu lernen:)

lol sorry bro I'm not this is a memory from a german friend. Anyway I really need to live now good luck with luffy.

[narulsaku]

@chucky - thankyou and sorry cause i am saying that sakura still loves sasuke and she will till kisi finds a way to do such thing.
@phenixelite- you are telling that it ll destroy the manga ? and if naruto brings sasuke back and then if sakura fell for sasuke then what ll happen. and also its 50-50 now . sakura has feeling for both of them.
@weltall - i do think like that.
@luffy -debatd are such thing where people will oppose you till you havent prove that you are right.

[Zatheko]

Here we have it. You wont find one because theres just no possibility to make it happen without destroying the manga and its characters. Also its not 100% confirmed that she only and fully still loves sasuke. The lover nin scene showed her negativ view ob sasuke, what could also show the beginning change of her feelings. I mean why else include the lover nin in the middle of the war just to show tgat sakura still loves sasuke when it was already shown 20 chapters before.

Why even then include the sentence"if its somebody you love hes bound to be a great person." so all i can say to this is that this scene was not there to show that sakura is still in love with sasuke.

Hey! new here and seeing a lot of great posts on this forum, just wanted to say that what you said, the bolded part especially, is exactly how I saw that scene as well, to me it is as you said " a negative view of sasuke" and I think with that it will show a change of her feelings.

I really can't see sasusaku happening at all, hell I really can't see sasuANYONE happening, but hey thats just my opinion.

[luffyq1]

Well Sakura still loves but that's not the point and I can see where Luffy comes from, Kishi has great ideas it's just the execution sometimes can be pretty terrible still that doesn't change the fact that he is nonetheless consistent in certain matters and he's not going to throw away all his work just t make a last minute asspull. People freak out because of one chapter or one panel but they forget to see the manga as a whole and it's quite clear the direction he takes; That's also one of the reason why I don't participate in debates that much, I know for a fact that the next NS/NH/SS moment will make people scream canon and these people will forget everything that has happened before. My opinion on the mater has never changed it will be NS or nothng and even that seems not very likely with the amount of focus on romance. Anyway let the manga go on and see what happens it's the best thing to do instead of torturing yourself.

Like you've stated, we've got to look at the series as a whole and what do we see? We have Naruto who is this amazing guy who practically worships the ground that Sakura walks on. He treats her like a princess. And you have this guy named Sasuke who treats her like she's less than garbage. Who does she loves at the end of the day? Sasuke. Do you realize how problematic that is? I've seen some of you guys using the argument of Sakura still being in love with Sasuke for the sake of suspense, or that it would be boring that Sakura already starts loving Naruto now. But you guys are missing the big picture here. It's like some of you guys don't even care that Sakura's character is being degraded by still loving this monster. It's the same way for the NH fandom. Some of them don't even care how incredibly obsessive Hinata's character has become, as long as she gets with her man at the end it's all good. Do you see how wrong that is? The only way I will ever accept NS as canon is if Sakura looks back on the way Sasuke has treated her and the way she acts around him, and then come to a realization that she was never really in love with him and that he is not the right guy for her. But based on the events we've seen it does not look like that's going to happen the way i want it to. Kishi is giving people reasons to hate Sakura's character for this, and can you blame them? Let me restate that i don't hate Sakura's character, but i understand if others do for this reason.

Edited by luffyq1, 11 December 2012 - 11:49 AM.

[PhenixElite]

@chucky - thankyou and sorry cause i am saying that sakura still loves sasuke and she will till kisi finds a way to do such thing.
@phenixelite- you are telling that it ll destroy the manga ? and if naruto brings sasuke back and then if sakura fell for sasuke then what ll happen. and also its 50-50 now . sakura has feeling for both of them.
@weltall - i do think like that.
@luffy -debatd are such thing where people will oppose you till you havent prove that you are right.

Look even if naruto really brings sasuke back, why should kishi show sakura falling for sasuke? Its not real life. After all the hints that sakura also has romatic feelings for naruto, why should he do that and completly destroy the character hes fond of. Theres no reason. Since this is not real life and NS well developed, kishi can show one chapter with sakura recognizing her feelings for naruto, maybe even with a plot twist(while i dont think theres a need for that).
Next thing is that a realtionship can only work when both partners feel something for each other. But in SS (sasuke) and NH (Naruto) thats not the case. As far as weve seen out of all characters sakura is the most likely one to change her feelings.

Anyone who dissagrees with that?

@zatheko: Well, welcome then! Glad to see members who share my opinions.

Edited by PhenixElite, 11 December 2012 - 10:54 AM.

[Zatheko]

Look even if naruto really brings sasuke back, why should kishi show sakura falling for sasuke? Its not real life. After all the hints that sakura also has romatic feelings for naruto, why should he do that and completly destroy the character hes fond of. Theres no reason. Since this is not real life and NS well developed, kishi can show one chapter with sakura recognizing her feelings for naruto, maybe even with a plot twist(while i dont think theres a need for that).
Next thing is that a realtionship can only work when both partners feel something for each other. But in SS (sasuke) and NH (Naruto) thats not the case. As far as weve seen out of all characters sakura is the most likely one to change her feelings.

Anyone who dissagrees with that?

I agree completely, after all the building up in the manga for narusaku, I just don't see naruto switching his feeling form sakura to hinata, and I definitely don't see sasuke showing any sign of love any time soon.

I think sakura is really the only one who has a chance (a good chance at that) of changing her feeling from sasuke to naruto.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Look even if naruto really brings sasuke back, why should kishi show sakura falling for sasuke? Its not real life. After all the hints that sakura also has romatic feelings for naruto, why should he do that and completly destroy the character hes fond of. Theres no reason. Since this is not real life and NS well developed, kishi can show one chapter with sakura recognizing her feelings for naruto, maybe even with a plot twist(while i dont think theres a need for that).
Next thing is that a realtionship can only work when both partners feel something for each other. But in SS (sasuke) and NH (Naruto) thats not the case. As far as weve seen out of all characters sakura is the most likely one to change her feelings.

Anyone who dissagrees with that?

@zatheko: Well, welcome then! Glad to see members who share my opinions.

I disagree, because if naruto brings him back SS will depend of Sasuke, just look at Kakashi and Rin he will have to do the same whith sakura what kakashi did to rin.
he will have to say "i'm a piece of garbage and naruto loves you";

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 December 2012 - 10:55 AM.

[PhenixElite]

I disagree, because if naruto brings him back SS will depend of Sasuke, just look at Kakashi and Rin he will have to do the same whith sakura what kakashi did to rin.

Nope not if sakuras feelings already changed till then. And im very sure that they will change during the fight between naruto and sasuke.

[luffyq1]

Look even if naruto really brings sasuke back, why should kishi show sakura falling for sasuke? Its not real life. After all the hints that sakura also has romatic feelings for naruto, why should he do that and completly destroy the character hes fond of. Theres no reason. Since this is not real life and NS well developed, kishi can show one chapter with sakura recognizing her feelings for naruto, maybe even with a plot twist(while i dont think theres a need for that).
Next thing is that a realtionship can only work when both partners feel something for each other. But in SS (sasuke) and NH (Naruto) thats not the case. As far as weve seen out of all characters sakura is the most likely one to change her feelings.

Anyone who dissagrees with that?

@zatheko: Well, welcome then! Glad to see members who share my opinions.

Real life? Really? See this is exactly what I'm talking about when i said that our arguments can easily be used against us. It won't be "real life" to have Naruto still having feelings for a girl who is still in love with a guy that treats her like garbage. But on the other hand Naruto treats her like a princess. It won't be "real life" to have Sakura still loving Sasuke after all he's put her through. Throw logic out the window. It's time we start looking at the manga at face vaule from now on.

Edited by luffyq1, 11 December 2012 - 11:09 AM.

[Weltall]

My last contribution

Like you've stated, we've got to look at the series as a whole and what do we see? We have Naruto who is this amazing guy who practically worships the ground that Sakura walks on. He treats her like a princess. And you have this guy named Sasuke who treats her like she's less than garbage. Who does she loves at the end of the day? Sasuke. Do you realize how problematic that is? I've seen some of you guys using the argument of Sakura still being in love with Sasuke for the sake of suspense, or that it would be boring that Sakura already starts loving Naruto now. But you guys are missing the big picture here. It's like some of you guys don't even care that Sakura's character is being degraded by still loving this monster. It's the same way for the NH fandom. Some of them don't even care how incredibly obessive Hinata's character has become, as long as she gets with her man at the end it's all good. Do you see how wrong that is? The only way I will ever accept NS as canon is if Sakura looks back on the way Sasuke has treated her and the way she acts around him, and then come to a realization that she was never really in love with hm and that he is not the right guy for her. But based on the events we've seen it does not look like that's going to happen the way i want it to. Kishi is giving people reasons to hate Sakura's character for this, and can you blame them? Let me restate that i don't hate Sakura's character, but i understand if others do for this reason.

Oh yes I do get your point but you won't change anything about that, the problem is that in part 1 the plot was driven by the characters in part 2 it's the plot that dictates the character's actions and many times it comes as forced and nonsensical and that's also why part 1 was far more enjoyable than part 2. You talk about Sakura but the same applies to Naruto maybe to a lesser extent but it applies nonetheless, his quest to save Sasuke has gone way too far and I think at this point the message it was supposed to convey has been lost, also look at Itachi his whole character is a walking contradiction and I could go on and on but you have to accept that fact, simply enjoy the manga and focus on what you like.

I do like Naruto and Sakura's dynamic but I can't say I enjoyed the team 7 drama during the kage summit arc but I have learned to live with it, in a sense I'm like you my fear is not about NaruSaku not being canon but the way it will be executed, the thing is you focus on this aspect of the manga when they are far worse things that has happened and will most likely happen, the romance subplot is just that a subplot, I'm more concerned about the plot and the way it has been handled.

I told you maybe you should take a rest that will make you appreciate the manga more, reading the manga chapter by chapter can be pretty irritating at least from my point of view.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Real life? Really? See this is exactly what I'm talking about when i said that our arguments can easily be used against us. It won't be "real life" to have Naruto still having feelings for a girl who is still in love with a guy that treats her like garbage. But on the other hand Naruto treats her like a princess. It won't be "real life" to have Sakura still loving Sasuke after all he's put her through. Throw logic out the window. It's time we start looking at the manga from face vaule from now on.

Not "Real life" where do you live?



let's say that sakura is in love with a jerk and naruto is a "nerd" guy that loves the girl who's in love with the jerk, it exists.

it can happen on two ways, sakura gets the jerk(turning into a b*tch) or sakura will get rid of her feelings and accept the nerd guy who treats her better.
this is not twilight man, it happens all the time.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 December 2012 - 11:16 AM.

[PhenixElite]

Real life? Really? See this is exactly what I'm talking about when i said that our arguments can easily be used against us. It won't be "real life" to have Naruto still having feelings for a girl who is still in love with a guy that treats her like garbage. But on the other hand Naruto treats her like a princess. It won't be "real life" to have Sakura still loving Sasuke after all he's put her through. Throw logic out the window. It's time we start looking at the manga at face vaule from now on.

I dont really know what do you want to tell me with this. But you shouldnt forget that kishi can change everything that developed well enough easily(example sakuras feelings).
And what im talking about is that he will make his story a good one, following the theme of other shonen. Thats why i just cant see NH or SS happen.
Till now its in my opinion a very good and dramtic love story. One reason for it is that he kept sakuras feelings for sasuke till now but also showed that her feelings have a very, very high possibilty to change.

[luffyq1]

My last contribution

Oh yes I do get your point but you won't change anything about that, the problem is that in part 1 the plot was driven by the characters in part 2 it's the plot that dictates the character's actions and many times it comes as forced and nonsensical and that's also why part 1 was far more enjoyable than part 2. You talk about Sakura but the same applies to Naruto maybe to a lesser extent but it applies nonetheless, his quest to save Sasuke has gone way too far and I think at this point the message it was supposed to convey has been lost, also look at Itachi his whole character is a walking contradiction and I could go on and on but you have to accept that fact, simply enjoy the manga and focus on what you like.

Yes, I'm talking about Sakura because it all boils down to her. NS can only happen because of her. That is the reason why in my post I'm focusing on Sakura's actions. But by you giving examples of the same character flaws that people share with Sakura like Itachi and Naruto only strengthens my argument about her illogical love for Sasuke. Thnx
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I do like Naruto and Sakura's dynamic but I can't say I enjoyed the team 7 drama during the kage summit arc but I have learned to live with it, in a sense I'm like you my fear is not about NaruSaku not being canon but the way it will be executed, the thing is you focus on this aspect of the manga when they are far worse things that has happened and will most likely happen, the romance subplot is just that a subplot, I'm more concerned about the plot and the way it has been handled.

Agreed.
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I told you maybe you should take a rest that will make you appreciate the manga more, reading the manga chapter by chapter can be pretty irritating at least from my point of view.

I've just got finish rereading the manga from part 1 to now. My opinion has changed. I don't need rest, but thnx 4 da suggestion.
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Not "Real life" where do you live?



let's say that sakura is in love with a jerk and naruto is a "nerd" guy that loves the girl who's in love with the jerk, it exists.

it can happen on two ways, sakura gets the jerk or sakura will get rid of her feelings and accept the nerd guy who treats her better.

I was using his argument as an example. But nice gif anyway.

Edited by luffyq1, 11 December 2012 - 11:32 AM.

[Chucky-kun]

Like you've stated, we've got to look at the series as a whole and what do we see? We have Naruto who is this amazing guy who practically worships the ground that Sakura walks on. He treats her like a princess. And you have this guy named Sasuke who treats her like she's less than garbage. Who does she loves at the end of the day? Sasuke. Do you realize how problematic that is? I've seen some of you guys using the argument of Sakura still being in love with Sasuke for the sake of suspense, or that it would be boring that Sakura already starts loving Naruto now. But you guys are missing the big picture here. It's like some of you guys don't even care that Sakura's character is being degraded by still loving this monster. It's the same way for the NH fandom. Some of them don't even care how incredibly obsessive Hinata's character has become, as long as she gets with her man at the end it's all good. Do you see how wrong that is? The only way I will ever accept NS as canon is if Sakura looks back on the way Sasuke has treated her and the way she acts around him, and then come to a realization that she was never really in love with hm and that he is not the right guy for her. But based on the events we've seen it does not look like that's going to happen the way i want it to. Kishi is giving people reasons to hate Sakura's character for this, and can you blame them? Let me restate that i don't hate Sakura's character, but i understand if others do for this reason.

First off there's that quote where your first love is the hardest to forget.
Secondly, I hate to repeat myself, but Ino was left in tears after Sasuke was declared an international criminal and they BARELY had any development compared to Sakura and Sasuke. So give Sakura a break k?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

First off there's that quote where your first love is the hardest to forget.
Secondly, I hate to repeat myself, but Ino was left in tears after Sasuke was declared an international criminal and they BARELY had any development compared to Sakura and Sasuke. So give Sakura a break k?

It reminds me of "heline" i hate her because of the way she treated me but i still love her and hate this feeling.
so it happens and it's real not fantasy.


here's her picture.
3 years ago.
i dont know where she's now and i dont want to know.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 December 2012 - 11:32 AM.

[Chucky-kun]

It reminds me of "heline" i hate her because of the way she treated me but i still love her and hate this feeling.
so it happens and it's real not fantasy.


here's her picture.

The feels man

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

The feels man

[luffyq1]

First off there's that quote where your first love is the hardest to forget.
Secondly, I hate to repeat myself, but Ino was left in tears after Sasuke was declared an international criminal and they BARELY had any development compared to Sakura and Sasuke. So give Sakura a break k?

First love is the hardest to forget? So that's what you're resorting to now? Lol, ok.


Ino was left in tears about Sasuke and barely had any SI development? Well yes, Ino & Sasuke barely had any development and she still cries because she loves Sasuke. So what's your point?


Give Sakura a break? I'll give her a break when Kishi starts doing justice to Sakura's character.

Edited by luffyq1, 11 December 2012 - 11:43 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Ino was left in tears about Sasuke and barely had any SI development? Well yes, Ino & Sasuke barely had any development and she still cries because she loves Sasuke. So what's your point?


Give Sakura a break? I'll give her a break when Kishi starts doing justice to Sakura's character.

Dafuq are you talking about.