62735 replies to this topic

[milan kyuubi]

I feel like my brain is all fried up that I have no earthly idea what's going on here. I think there's like couple of sentenced that I should add, mainly in the Naruto's aspect because I actually forgot to mention it. Let me ask you guys this:

Did you think he became one dimensional throughout the last two arcs?

 

Only War Arc, with the exception of Naruto/Minato goodbuy scene!

[milan kyuubi]

This is more IC Naruto and Sakura, then what we got in 699/700/TL!

[Otaru]

I'm sad. I want this very bad illusion to end.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

I'm sad. I want this very bad illusion to end.

Be strong.

[RedFaction]

I feel like my brain is all fried up that I have no earthly idea what's going on here. I think there's like couple of sentenced that I should add, mainly in the Naruto's aspect because I actually forgot to mention it. Let me ask you guys this:

Did you think he became one dimensional throughout the last two arcs?

I believe so, but mostly in the war arc. His character was so focused on trying to create his own version of peace for the shinobi world that he became pretty bland and boring in my eyes. To me he felt  detached from the other characters except in a few scenes like with Minato's goodbye. The thing that confuses me though is Naruto's determination to save Sasuke from his path of darkness. As soon as Naruto thinks he has "saved" Sasuke after their battle at the valley of the end it's like he totally forgets about their friendship and bond. In chapter 699 they pretty much go their separate ways and never speak again as they don't interact in the movie or chapter 700. I just find it very peculiar to end things that way when it was a big part of the plot for many years. I think everyone can agree that by the end of the story Naruto's character actually regressed and he became unlikeable while also uninteresting.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

I believe so, but mostly in the war arc. His character was so focused on trying to create his own version of peace for the shinobi world that he became pretty bland and boring in my eyes. To me he felt  detached from the other characters except in a few scenes like with Minato's goodbye. The thing that confuses me though is Naruto's determination to save Sasuke from his path of darkness. As soon as Naruto thinks he has "saved" Sasuke after their battle at the valley of the end it's like he totally forgets about their friendship and bond. In chapter 699 they pretty much go their separate ways and never speak again as they don't interact in the movie or chapter 700. I just find it very peculiar to end things that way when it was a big part of the plot for many years. I think everyone can agree that by the end of the story Naruto's character actually regressed and he became unlikeable while also uninteresting.

Funny that it NOT feels at all, like he tried to change world in war arc, more like he tried to change Obito. End was to rushed, it feels like Naruto only gathered people, and next arc would be how he changed everything, but no. "Here's to you" from Kishimoto - big middle finger.

[Narufan85]

I feel like my brain is all fried up that I have no earthly idea what's going on here. I think there's like couple of sentenced that I should add, mainly in the Naruto's aspect because I actually forgot to mention it. Let me ask you guys this:

Did you think he became one dimensional throughout the last two arcs?

 

I think he became one dimensional well before the final two arcs. Really, after Pein it's all about Sasuke.

[Gaara's hair]

O__O

[Aizen-Sama]

Naruto never saved Sasuke. He just stopped him from killing him and the village temporarily. Naruto never had the power to save Sasuke from himself I don't know why Kikitten believes this. The only people who had any power over Sasuke are dead and it's beyond stupid how Nardo thought he could replace that. He is truly one of the dumbest "heroes" ever.

[TerrorKing]

 

it depends if you're interested in the last-chocolates 

 

Ah yes. Those...things. It's all about merchandise. All style and no substance.    

 

Got to love that pairing drama. And I'm apart of that love pentagon. Very interesting to say the least.

Quick! You'd better stab someone through the heart or you won't be paired up with anybody! 

 

You could also turn to stalking. I mean you're a guy so it's not guaranteed to succeed, but at least it'll be more effective than mutual development. 

Edited by TerrorKing, 24 January 2015 - 10:12 PM.

[trang95]

 

Only War Arc, with the exception of Naruto/Minato goodbuy scene!

Speaking of that goodbuy scene: Do you guys think that these words from Naruto were already an indicator for the scumbag he would become in the future? He already implied that he couldn't always fulfill all of his mom's wishes. A lot of shippers were interpretating this scene to their own convenience.

 

[RedFaction]

 

I think he became one dimensional well before the final two arcs. Really, after Pein it's all about Sasuke.

I guess that's true, but really if you think about it a lot of shonen heroes are kind of one dimensional so that's not the major problem with his character. I just didn't like how they made Sasuke a big part of the story only to forget about him and push him off to the side for Hinata in the Last. The biggest problem with Naruto's character for me is making him basically the messiah, child of prophecy who is hellbent on creating his own version of peace. That was just a stupid idea and completely contradicts the moral of the story which was originally hard work and determination can overcome your destiny.

[Gaara's hair]

Look at Sasuke's face while Naruto's talking XD

I don't know...it makes me laugh XD

[rikakim94]

I saw it happened to one JP artist too, the rest just stopped posting and random people who never drew Naruto are drawing NH and SS now, though most SS fans keep to the original over what happened

 

I hate it when we lose a ship war cause usually that result in jumping ships till the point almost nobody ships that opt anymore not only that but few fanarts,aggressive stans,apologists,anti fans,and strong proof that non canon opt was never meant to be. Oh and on top of that everyone and everything is against that pair So if you happen to defend it, you will get bashed or viewed as a whiny shipper. Thats what happened to a childhood anime i used to watch and because of that it still haunts till this day..... even if i mostly moved on from it. 

 

However, for naruto i think we should be glad thats not the case for a non canon opt. We have a lot of proof that the manga did a 180 along with kishi's horrible contradictions from the interview.

 

Who's that jp artist? Is it from pixiv?

[TouKen4Life3g]

I guess that's true, but really if you think about it a lot of shonen heroes are kind of one dimensional so that's not the major problem with his character. I just didn't like how they made Sasuke a big part of the story only to forget about him and push him off to the side for Hinata in the Last. The biggest problem with Naruto's character for me is making him basically the messiah, child of prophecy who is hellbent on creating his own version of peace. That was just a stupid idea and completely contradicts the moral of the story which was originally hard work and determination can overcome your destiny.

My main problem is that Sasuke isn't a target to kill but to save. People usually place kill on the target because we know we're not rooting for that target. He's the bad guy. He's the one we want to see the protagonist to defeat. But here, it's to save a known character. Usually saving or seeing is a character that build up big time and make us gasp to see that person. So here, the title and developments all goes to Sasuke. Naruto never felt like he developed any more than finding peace.

[RedFaction]

Speaking of that goodbuy scene: Do you guys think that these words from Naruto were already an indicator for the scumbag he would become in the future? He already implied that he couldn't always fulfill all of his mom's wishes. A lot of shippers were interpretating this scene to their own convenience.

 

You know it's funny he is pretty much lying to his dad there too. Even the first thing he says about "making a lot of friends and they're all awesome" is a lie since he abandons them all for Hinata. He also lied about "becoming a Hokage just like you, Dad!" because I think we can all agree Naruto is nowhere near the Hokage that Minato was. Not even close. I feel really bad for Minato, he left thinking his son had become a loyal, kind young man but in reality his son became a scumbag who failed to listen to a single word Kushina told him.

Edited by RedFaction, 24 January 2015 - 10:20 PM.

[Aizen-Sama]

Speaking of that goodbuy scene: Do you guys think that these words from Naruto were already an indicator for the scumbag he would become in the future? He already implied that he couldn't always fulfill all of his mom's wishes. A lot of shippers were interpretating this scene to their own convenience.

 

Definitely. Just look: "Mom told me to find a woman just like her.... But er anyway! I haven't done all the things mom told me to do."
This is definitely a hint to the future scumbag he would become that he was already confused over Sakura and Hinata. Even though he just told his dad that Sakura was his girlfriend a short while ago. Why didn't he immediately answer that he did find a girl like his mom? What's with the sudden back up? Kikitten is a very bad writer having Sakura confused over Sasuke and Naruto and now we have Naruto confused over Sakura and Hinata. Ugh. >.>

[Popuri]

No new news I presume?

[Gaara's hair]

No new news I presume?

No.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Definitely. Just look: "Mom told me to find a woman just like her.... But er anyway! I haven't done all the things mom told me to do."
This is definitely a hint to the future scumbag he would become that he was already confused over Sakura and Hinata. Even though he just told his dad that Sakura was his girlfriend a short while ago. Why didn't he immediately answer that he did find a girl like his mom? What's with the sudden back up? Kikitten is a very bad writer having Sakura confused over Sasuke and Naruto and now we have Naruto confused over Sakura and Hinata. Ugh. >.>

Because it's not consistent. In a way, that sort of hint of when exactly the plan changed.