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[Chucky-kun]

Like i said before, the poal became more of a test of Naruto's character in regards to being worthy or not of the title of Hokage. Sakura clearly states that Naruto doesn't need to keep the promise for her anymore, and Naruto says it's not about the promise anymore. You guys really don't want to take that specific moment at face value lol.

Chapter 540 was truly a pathetic day for both the NS & SS fandom. Different interpretations from both fandom to comfort themselves. I took the chapter at face vaule and looked underneath the underneath. While she still loves Sasuke, she's not happy about it because he's not a great guy. That's why she was sad because he really isn't a great guy. But it still doesn't change the fact she views him in a romantic light, not Naruto. She currently loves Sasuke.

excuse me while i point out your contradiction

[luffyq1]

excuse me while i point out your contradiction

lol nice try

When i said i was looking underneath the underneath and looking at it face vaule that was in regards to chapter 540, because both the NS & NH fandom wanted to look at it face vaule or look underneath it. It's called being unbiased, something that I'm currently not seeing right now.

Edited by luffyq1, 11 December 2012 - 08:14 AM.

[PhenixElite]

Huh? Lol.





Read my post carefully. Naruto clearly states it's not about the promise, twice in chapter 470. Am i really going to have to baby you by having you sit on my lap while i read chapter 470 to you? Seems like it. The summit was about Naruto meeting Sasuke, Naruto finding his resolve to the situation of Sasuke, Sakura confronting Naruto about the poal (it's a curse as Sai stated), Sakura trying to forcefully and awkwardly lifting the the heavy burderns from Naruto, Sakura confrontation Sasuke and coming to terms with her feelings. That is pretty much the summit in a nutshell in regards to Naruto & Sakura. His nindo for bringing back Sasuke has turned into something much bigger than Sakura's needs, as it is looked incribily insignificant to the situation Naruto was in. The nindo is there, but for team 7, not Sakura solely. In fact, the promise started out not just about Sakura's feelings, but also Naruto's feelings as well. But the fact is that the circumstances have changed greatly due to Sasuke, and Naruto understands this as evident from when he said it's not about the promise to Sakura, which he stated twice in 470. Naruto wasn't acting OOC, he just realised that saving Sasuke from himself is more important than what Sakura wants for herself.

Of course if theres no other possobilty naruto will kill sasuke, but before that he will try everything to redeem him without killing him, and thats also for sakuras sake as well as narutos. So i some kind the promise is running in the background the whole time.
Lets see it from another side. Imagine naruto manges to bring back sasuke, dont you think sakura will see it as a fullfilled promise? Or what else? I dont know anything.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Enough!

Look, who knows who's right and wrong in here. I could be right, I could be wrong. I only wanted to point out my interpretation of the whole confession. I still stand by on what I believe. I'm happy that many of you have seen the same as I do, but really, let's leave it as a interpretation. It's like Kiba's comment, you don't really know if it's one way or another. The only way to get that answer is the later action. For this case, the promise. People assume it's over with the promise. Then in chapter 632 (random number), Naruto talks about the promise. That would mean the promise has always been there and the people are wrong. Kiba's comment needs a connection and so far, nothing yet. It's not as direct as Konohamaru and that frog, and it's not as plot secret as Sai and Yamato's comment. Remember, Hinata loves him, but also he's like a superhero role model to her. Time will tell. If there's nothing, then it's just a fan service and misguided.

Anyway, let's lay low on the comments and shouldn't argue this any longer. I don't know if the people in here are really shattered by the course of events. Really, I wish I was here during Hinata's confession. I could only imagine that this place once got ugly. Faith should not be broken. Always keep it and push forward to see what awaits. It's like I said before, if we have to go nitpicking on who has the edge, it will be NS because of this whole parallel that actually putting into a effect that could be the largest of them all. Just relax and wait for the breaking point. Besides, if NH gets canon here, whatever happen to the fun of love triangle. It's an easy win. Surely, Kishi may go for it once more before the final conclusion. Well, we got to wait and see then.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 11 December 2012 - 08:24 AM.

[luffyq1]

Of course if theres no other possobilty naruto will kill sasuke, but before that he will try everything to redeem him without killing him, and thats also for sakuras sake as well as narutos. So i some kind the promise is running in the background the whole time.
Lets see it from another side. Imagine naruto manges to bring back sasuke, dont you think sakura will see it as a fullfilled promise? Or what else? I dont know anything.

Naruto declared that he is taking Sasuke down with him if they fight. The poal is viewed even more insignifcantly after that suicide delcartion to Sasuke. If dying is what it takes to save the leaf village, then Naruto will do it. Clearly this is a good character development for Naruto. This is why i said that the poal is not as important as it used to be because of Sasuke. He's making claims about destroying the leaf. Screw the poal. His feelings for Sakura are still there, poal or not. But people don't seem to want accept that.

Edited by luffyq1, 11 December 2012 - 08:29 AM.

[Don-kun]

luffy-kun
read Awes post.

Naruto going after Sasuke was never about the promise for Sakura, the promise has always been about his feelings for Sakura even if he didn't make the promise he would still go after Sasuke so it doesn't contradict what the others said.
I can't stay for long so i kept it short we will continue this later if you wish.

Naruto says: It doesn't have anything to do with My promise to you, I also want to save Sasuke.
It doesn't have anything to do with My promise to you.
with my promise to you.

Awes post again.

Naruto going after Sasuke was never about the promise for Sakura, the promise has always been about his feelings for Sakura even if he didn't make the promise he was still going after Sasuke.

I tried to explain you this, but you refuse to accept that Naruto promise to Sakura and his desire to save Sasuke are not the same.

If Naruto quest to save Sasuke was only about Sakura and no one else, them I could agree with your statement, but Naruto quest is about Saving a friend he consider a brother and finally being able to see the girl he loves happy. He hurt-ed him to see her that way, that's why he made that promise, later when he saw how destroyed she was finding out that he fail, he reassure her and told her that he will never go back on his word that is his ninja way. On the fallowing chapter Kishi gave us this.

smile.
236 first page. --Click here to view--

He loves Sakura but he also cares a lot about Sasuke and that is why he said that it has nothing to do with his promise to her, right their he is making it clear that they are two separate things, if he did say my promise to you doesn't matter anymore I want to save Sasuke or even if you drop the promise I will still save Sasuke, them that would automatically cancel the promise.


By the way why are you being this way, this isn't the Luffy I know from NF.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Bingo!

Now I think about it, that makes it much better. The purpose of the promise was not the fact to save Sasuke, rather more than that. In fact, it's more of a personal level between him and her. Granted, it is about saving Sasuke, but why make a promise when he already going after him. It's because Sakura was broken, so Naruto did the logical choice. His promise to her has more value than she probably doesn't know or rather, the amount of how important it is to him. He took it hard when he told Sai that he didn't confess because the promise is not fulfilled. The promise has more weight on him than her if anything. It's guys' job to keep that promise and fulfill it. It's like what I hear everytime: Don't make a girl a promise if you know you can't keep it. Okay, hopefully this place gets better. I'll be off. Let's not get into a bigger argument. Tried to remain calm as possible.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 11 December 2012 - 08:41 AM.

[PhenixElite]

Naruto declared that he is taking Sasuke down with him if they fight. The poal is viewed even more insignifcantly after that suicide delcartion to Sasuke. If dying is what it takes to save the leaf village, then Naruto will do it. Clearly this is a good character development for Naruto. This is why i said that the poal is not as important as it used to be because of Sasuke. He's making claims about destroying the leaf. Screw the poal. His feelings for Sakura are still there, poal or not. But people don't seem to want accept that.

I wont argue over the POAL anymore since its getting boring. I agree with the two posts above me.
Its just intresting to watch how one day everyone is sure for NS to happen and the next day suddenly everybody doubts NS and thinks that NH and SS have much mor possibility of happening. You guys are just like pregnant women. XD

[luffyq1]

luffy-kun
read Awes post.




Naruto says: It doesn't have anything to do with My promise to you, I also want to save Sasuke.
It doesn't have anything to do with My promise to you.
with my promise to you.

Awes post again.





I tried to explain you this, but you refuse to accept that Naruto promise to Sakura and his desire to save Sasuke are not the same.

This is really exhausting. The promise has been lifted. It was a curse as Sai views it, why do you think Sakura told him to stop chasing Sasuke? I'm saying that the poal is not important anymore giving the events that went down during the summit. Hell, he's even made the claim to die with Sasuke in order to save the village. Naruto is maturing, and it has been demonstrated that he puts others before himself.
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If Naruto quest to save Sasuke was only about Sakura and no one else, them I could agree with your statement, but Naruto quest is about Saving a friend he consider a brother and finally being able to see the girl he loves happy. He hurt-ed him to see her that way, that's why he made that promise, later when he saw how destroyed she was finding out that he fail, he reassure her and told her that he will never go back on his word that is his ninja way. On the fallowing chapter Kishi gave us this.

smile.
236 first page. --Click here to view--

I'm not saying that the poal was solely about Sakura, I've clearly stated that it started out for both Naruto and Sakura's feelings. Why are people having a hard time understanding this? I understand what you're saying. But the fact is circumstances have changed and the poal has dimished greatly all due to Sasuke's actions.
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He loves Sakura but he also cares a lot about Sasuke and that is why he said that it has nothing to do with his promise to her, right their he is making it clear that they are two separate things, if he did say my promise to you doesn't matter anymore I want to save Sasuke or even if you drop the promise I will still save Sasuke, them that would automatically cancel the promise.

Of course he loves Sakura. But the poal is not what determines his love for Sakura, and that's why I think you guys are refusing to accept the fact that clearly Naruto doesn't view the poal as a signifcant thing, so why can't you? Sakura thought it had to do with her poal as evident when she said that he doesn't have to keep the promise to her in chapter 470. Naruto tells her it's not about the promise anymore. He states this twice in chapter 470, yet you guys wanna be all analytical with these simple words. Things have changed and Naruto understood that, so why can't you?
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By the way why are you being this way, this isn't the Luffy I know from NF.

Don't know. Maybe it's because you guys are viewing the poal as a life line to Naruto's feelings for Sakura. I mean i kinda understand seeing as his feelings for Sakura aren't a detriment to his character at all.

Edited by luffyq1, 11 December 2012 - 09:16 AM.

[PhenixElite]

Don't know.

Also who cares about the promise its not important right now. Importnant is that many of you guys think that SS has good chances to happen. But thats not true.

If we look back at sakuras feelings for sasuke, we will see that she only liked him because of his coolness, looks and clan. Thats it. Theres shown nothing other then this.
So if someone would reread the manga i think everyone will find out that the story is just not developing for SS and NH.
If it ends with one of these two i just wont see the use of all the stuff that happend during the series.
For me the whole romance buildup and progress in the story is very simple.

[luffyq1]

Also who cares about the promise its not important right now. Importnant is that many of you guys think that SS has good chances to happen. But thats not true.

If we look back at sakuras feelings for sasuke, we will see that she only liked him because of his coolness, looks and clan. Thats it. Theres shown nothing other then this.
So if someone would reread the manga i think everyone will find out that the story is just not developing for SS and NH.
If it ends with one of these two i just wont see the use of all the stuff that happend during the series.
For me the whole romance buildup and progress in the story is very simple.

Yes, that was the basis of her feelings for Sasuke. But it grew from that through the time she spent with him. Shallow feelings turning into something more pretty much sums up Sakura's feelings.

Kishi is still showing that Sakura has feelings for Sasuke. That alone tells you that anything is possible now. It's pathetic i know.

[PhenixElite]

Yes, that was the basis of her feelings for Sasuke. But it grew from that through the time she spent with him. Shallow feelings turning into something more pretty much sums up Sakura's feelings.

Kishi is still showing that Sakura has feelings for Sasuke. That alone tells you that anything is possible now. It's pathetic i know.

If you see it that way, tell me one plausible scenario of sasuke and sakura coming together. And it should make sence and keep at least a part of the whole manga undestroyed.
I cant imagine one also with the fact that sasuke never showed any sign of romantic feelings for sakura.

[luffyq1]

If you see it that way, tell me one plausible scenario of sasuke and sakura coming together. And it should make sence and keep at least a part of the whole manga undestroyed.
I cant imagine one also with the fact that sasuke never showed any sign of romantic feelings for sakura.

I can't possibly come up with any scenario that has SS in the end. But plausible went right out the window when it was confirmed that Sakura still loves Sasuke.

Edited by luffyq1, 11 December 2012 - 09:51 AM.

[Weltall]

Luffyq1 do you have a breakdown or what ? If you came here to share your negativity what's the point ? Maybe you should take a rest and stop reading the manga for a while just a suggestion. As for your points I think you are wrong on many of them but I don't really have the time to answer them, just gonna say yes anything can happen or maybe and it's more logical Kishimoto will keep his story consistent and not make asspulls that's what I think will happen. Seriously tough take it easy and tone down a bit sometimes your answers look way too sarcastic and can seem a bit offensive even tough that may not be your intentions, let the manga carry on and see after. Doubt is good but not to this extent.

Edited by Weltall, 11 December 2012 - 09:56 AM.

[narulsaku]

oh sorry but can any one say me whats going on i mean topic.

[Chucky-kun]

oh sorry but can any one say me whats going on i mean topic.

its basically luffyq1 vs.... well, us. He kinda thinks it was a confirmation that sakura still loves sasuke through the fact that she couldn't kill him, that one of the top mangakas in japan is "pathetic" and that the reflection upon sasuke in chapter 540, which included no words still proves that sakura loves sasuke. Personally i dont think he's talking about kishi's writing that's pathetic, but more like his own interpretations.

[PhenixElite]

I can't possibly come up with any scenario that has SS in the end. But plausible went right out the window when it was confirmed that Sakura still loves Sasuke.

Here we have it. You wont find one because theres just no possibility to make it happen without destroying the manga and its characters. Also its not 100% confirmed that she only and fully still loves sasuke. The lover nin scene showed her negativ view ob sasuke, what could also show the beginning change of her feelings. I mean why else include the lover nin in the middle of the war just to show tgat sakura still loves sasuke when it was already shown 20 chapters before.

Why even then include the sentence"if its somebody you love hes bound to be a great person." so all i can say to this is that this scene was not there to show that sakura is still in love with sasuke.

[luffyq1]

Luffyq1 do you have a breakdown or what ? If you came here to share your negativity what's the point ? Maybe you should take a rest and stop reading the manga for a while just a suggestion. As for your points I think you are wrong on many of them but I don't really have the time to answer them, just gonna say yes anything can happen or maybe and it's more logical Kishimoto will keep his story consistent and not make asspulls that's what I think will happen. Seriously tough take it easy and tone down a bit sometimes your answers look way too sarcastic and can seem a bit offensive even tough that may not be your intentions, let the manga carry on and see after. Doubt is good but not to this extent.

I've come here today to share my unbiased view, not spread any negativity.

What's the point? Some arguments we use to encourage ourselves turns around and bites us in the ass. Logic seems to be one of our strong points, and it is also one of our weak points as well.

You think many of my points are wrong? That's fine. You can make baseless claims.

Take it easy? I am. I know it may look like I'm anti but I'm not.

Edited by luffyq1, 11 December 2012 - 10:14 AM.

[Weltall]

Well Sakura still loves but that's not the point and I can see where Luffy comes from, Kishi has great ideas it's just the execution sometimes can be pretty terrible still that doesn't change the fact that he is nonetheless consistent in certain matters and he's not going to throw away all his work just t make a last minute asspull. People freak out because of one chapter or one panel but they forget to see the manga as a whole and it's quite clear the direction he takes; That's also one of the reason why I don't participate in debates that much, I know for a fact that the next NS/NH/SS moment will make people scream canon and these people will forget everything that has happened before. My opinion on the mater has never changed it will be NS or nothng and even that seems not very likely with the amount of focus on romance. Anyway let the manga go on and see what happens it's the best thing to do instead of torturing yourself.

"What's the point? Some arguments we use to encourage ourselves turns around and bites us in the ass. Logic seems to be one of our strong points, and it is also one of our weak points as well."
Not everyone shares the same opinon in the fandom you're a living proof of that.
"You think many of my points are wrong? That's fine. You can make baseless claims."
I don't think your iinterpretation is better than mine but if you want to believe your claims are the holy truth go on I'm not the one to try to change people's minds especially those who are sure that they know better than others.
"Take it easy? I am. I know it may look like I'm anti but I'm not. "
you're not otherwise you wouldn't spam the threads with your posts, you're way too concerned.

Edited by Weltall, 11 December 2012 - 10:25 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

lol nice try

When i said i was looking underneath the underneath and looking at it face vaule that was in regards to chapter 540, because both the NS & NH fandom wanted to look at it face vaule or look underneath it. It's called being unbiased, something that I'm currently not seeing right now.

Is this serious?
Not looking underneath is being biased now?
Do you really think that scene is just to show that sakura loves sasuke and hey sakura still loves sasuke and it's ok now.
Karin still loves sasuke and she's going after him, both suigetsu and juugo already reached him but karin still not reached sasuke, which keep a pairing drama here, like i told u before we will know the answer of who pairing will be canon soon and that's all, sakura probably made a decision, naruto will face obito, hinata already maxed out her development.
So one will be canon, and it's not being biased, kishimoto sucks drawing romantic scenes.

Yes, that was the basis of her feelings for Sasuke. But it grew from that through the time she spent with him. Shallow feelings turning into something more pretty much sums up Sakura's feelings.

Kishi is still showing that Sakura has feelings for Sasuke. That alone tells you that anything is possible now. It's pathetic i know.

this was way before sakura acknowledge naruto as an awesome guy and said that was going to be with him.

Naruto declared that he is taking Sasuke down with him if they fight. The poal is viewed even more insignifcantly after that suicide delcartion to Sasuke. If dying is what it takes to save the leaf village, then Naruto will do it. Clearly this is a good character development for Naruto. This is why i said that the poal is not as important as it used to be because of Sasuke. He's making claims about destroying the leaf. Screw the poal. His feelings for Sakura are still there, poal or not. But people don't seem to want accept that.

Naruto made promises that contradiction other promises, he said that he would die with sasuke but he also promised that he would became hokage to tsunade which one is more important?
That speech was just a mere speech to buy some time, the decision he already made which was kill sasuke.
before he could control the kyuubi which leads to a maturity growth.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 December 2012 - 10:29 AM.