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[Don-kun]

It is possible that Sakura has some knowledge of her growing feelings for Naruto. I do agree with that as a possibility. I think the next part I don't quite understand though. Are you saying that Sakura thought of Sasuke during the lover-nin discussion because of her negative thoughts for him verses Naruto? I guess I'm confused since the the lover-nin set the tone for a discussion about romantic feelings, which Sakura admitted to having someone, to the lover-nin describing how he would imagine that person to be. She thinks of Sasuke and feels bad because he isn't a good person like was described. I guess I don't see the connection of Sasuke's bond being in jeopardy and her romantic feelings and guilt over him. Though it might be possible for her to think of Sasuke and feel guilty if her comment of having someone is separate altogether, I didn't really read it that way.

I completely agree

I think it's because of Sakura's personality she got so mad XD Not necessarily because she was hurt he didn't believe her, but because she felt embarrassed, scared, and guilty when he called her out on it. When someone gets backed into the corner they can either give up or fight to the death. Sakura is more of the type to fight for the death if she is set on something. Her plan didn't work so she gets mad (sort of at everything at once) and her normal reaction when she is mad at Naruto is yelling or comically punching. It very much appeared to be her throwing a fit (sorta), because she ends up yelling that all she wanted was for him to go back to the village with her. It sort of disregards the rest of what she said and it was her confessing a glimmer of the point of her plan. But that is just my take on her. I originally did have more of the other view, where she was mad because her feelings were truthful. After seeing how the story is now though, I think Kishi fully intended the confession to be this complicated. It's why people are still debating it XD

I don't think it was beacuase of her personality she mentioned all the reason why she could fall in love with Naruto she was honest with that part, but she was lying about Sasuke, he call her off because of Sasuke not because she choose Naruto.
Sakura like him? Yes
but she was not ready for a love confession at that time, she needed a clear mind 1st. plus she need to have Sasuke out her mind, there is no girl that fall in love with a boy and will accept rejection without a clear reason, she ask Sasuke why he hate her but he haven given her a good reason.

That could happen, though Sakura had already tried to take action for Naruto's sake (yet again, the confession...). And not only that but she was putting her bond with Naruto on the line for that moment. I mean, Sai did she was was willing to do it even if Naruto hated her, which was putting that bond in jeopardy. Sakura is willing to put Naruto's well-being over simply keeping Naruto happy, which is a plus. And it was Sasuke, though more indirectly, threatening Naruto's life. So we know Sakura will act under that pressure. I'm not sure if this same sort of push is needed at a higher level or if Sakura really just needs to figure out why she loves Sasuke. I mean, has that ever been clear? She wanted his acknowledgement, but why did she want it to begin with? Perhaps there is part of the story we are missing which Sakura needs to come to terms with. Sure, Sakura would put her life in danger for Naruto, but what will it take for her to not love Sasuke? Him trying to kill her didn't seem to cut it, her heavy guilt is on-going. So what will be the big hitter that will end her romantic love for him once and for all? It will be something, of course, but I can't really see what it will be at this point.

That why I will always support NaruSaku
Because there are willing to do selfishness for the sake of the person they really care for.
Naruto willing to give up happiness for Sakura
Sakura willing to give up happiness for Naruto

Edited by donjoseph19, 20 October 2011 - 10:27 PM.

[Fenris]

Hmmm, in what context? As in some sort of, she'll take a bullet for Naruto to save his well-being? If so, yes. As for bolded #2, I honestly hopefully don't think so, unless the reasons and situation is right, like Sasuke is a good guy again, but in this state, not so much.

For some reason I cant really picture Sakura attempting to save Sasuke. It'd be too.. cliche.
Girl harbors guilt + feelings for boy. Said boy never returned feelings. Boy is in a death gripping situation. Girl saves boy shes loved for all the time. Boy falls in love with- Yeah.

[FoolishYoungling]

Hmmm, in what context? As in some sort of, she'll take a bullet for Naruto to save his well-being? If so, yes. As for bolded #2, I honestly hopefully don't think so, unless the reasons and situation is right, like Sasuke is a good guy again, but in this state, not so much.

1) yes take the bullet

2) I don't want her to die for Sasuke at all.. much less die...

[Fenris]

1) yes take the bullet

2) I don't want her to die for Sasuke at all.. much less die...

Plus it'd just give the SS fans more of a reason to go crazy.

If someone was going to die for Sasuke, I think it'd be Naruto. But then he'd come back cause he's Naruto. c:

[Rocket]

Okay, I know I'm going off the current topic atm, but why are people still comparing Naruto with DBZ? Honestly, I think it should stop, because Naruto and DBZ, in the end, are two different stories created by two different mangaka, and Kishi-sensei may have inspiration from DBZ, but he can't just rip off what Toriyama-sensei has done in his story. Plus, like efra-san already stated, it's a pretty weak argument to compare the two, because like I said, they're different stories.

[Don-kun]

For some reason I cant really picture Sakura attempting to save Sasuke. It'd be too.. cliche.
Girl harbors guilt + feelings for boy. Said boy never returned feelings. Boy is in a death gripping situation. Girl saves boy shes loved for all the time. Boy falls in love with- Yeah.

She risk her life in the F.O.D. and Vs Gaara and he have not fallen for her
the goy don't love her
And in the manga at least 3 times tried to make Saukra analyze Naruto.
Chapter 3
Gaara fight
Confession

[FoolishYoungling]

Plus it'd just give the SS fans more of a reason to go crazy.

If someone was going to die for Sasuke, I think it'd be Naruto. But then he'd come back cause he's Naruto. c:

I want to see Sasuke die to (in order from favorite to least favorite) 1) Naruto 2) Itachi 3) Madara... so killing someone can't be Kishi''s plan for Sasuke!..

[LegendaryArcanine42]

Okay, I know I'm going off the current topic atm, but why are people still comparing Naruto with DBZ? Honestly, I think it should stop, because Naruto and DBZ, in the end, are two different stories created by two different mangaka, and Kishi-sensei may have inspiration from DBZ, but he can't just rip off what Toriyama-sensei has done in his story. Plus, like efra-san already stated, it's a pretty weak argument to compare the two, because like I said, they're different stories.

Sigh... I think I should clarify the reason why I brought up Dragonball Z in the first place because a lot of people are getting confused as to just why I'm comparing the two anime...

my original comment was on some of the potential reasons WHY Kishimoto would do certain from an inspired writer's perspective.

The usage of DBZ was to use another anime that the author has clearly gotten inspiration from, and then refer to the fact that there are 4 titular characters in a similar position (love rhombus) to the main characters of Naruto.

Note that there is also an argument for why Kishi would make NaruSaku and I've also stated that NaruSaku is the most likely to be Canon... so please stop hating lolj/k

[crazyefra]

@Densetsu-Kun
I understand that but DBZ wasn't the only inspiration Kishi used for Naruto... either way, it's still not something to be used on a debate.

Edited by crazyefra, 20 October 2011 - 11:00 PM.

[Don-kun]

Hi crazyefra

I want to see Sasuke die to (in order from favorite to least favorite) 1) Naruto 2) Itachi 3) Madara... so killing someone can't be Kishi''s plan for Sasuke!..

I really don't like Sasuke but I need Sakura to regain her dignity by him trying date her and she rejecthing Him, I will be very very happy.
Imagine Sakura telling Sasuke that she is no longer the same little girl who only thought of him the day and night.
Sakura will tell Sasuke If we can be friends great, but more than friends not any more.
Then to finnist the day she seek out Naruto to apologize and asking if they can start from Zero plus Naruto apologizes for always doubthing her feelings toward Him. That will be epic.

Edited by donjoseph19, 20 October 2011 - 11:16 PM.

[FoolishYoungling]

Oh why do I think of bad ending!?

Okay, so I was thinking of NaruSaku or whatever, and then I though about what would happen if the ending to this anime is going to have Naruto like lose all his memories? You know, those lame movie endings, they are everywhere! Kishi better not do it, although if he did, I can see Sakura trying to tell him they are lovers or something..

[LegendaryArcanine42]

@Densetsu-Kun
I understand that but DBZ wasn't the only inspiration Kishi used for Naruto... either way, it's still not something to be used on a debate.

So you're telling me that because DBZ wasn't Kishimoto's only inspiration, that it completely removes its credibility as a basis for why the author would use a plot change?

I would also like to direct your attention to the similarities between Yu-Yu Hakusho and Bleach, you can't possibly tell me that inspiration doesn't influence plot development when the exam0les are clearly shown in both Bleach and Naruto, as well as many other manga/anime.

Edited by Densetsu-Kun, 20 October 2011 - 11:19 PM.

[Don-kun]

Oh why do I think of bad ending!?

Okay, so I was thinking of NaruSaku or whatever, and then I though about what would happen if the ending to this anime is going to have Naruto like lose all his memories? You know, those lame movie endings, they are everywhere! Kishi better not do it, although if he did, I can see Sakura trying to tell him they are lovers or something..

No no no Naruto dream is to become Hokage with no memories no Hokake fail Manga.

Edited by donjoseph19, 20 October 2011 - 11:38 PM.

[Fyuria'sLeo]

So you're telling me that because DBZ wasn't Kishimoto's only inspiration, that it completely removes its credibility as a basis for why the author would use a plot change?

I would also like to direct your attention to the similarities between Yu-Yu Hakusho and Bleach, you can't possibly tell me that inspiration doesn't influence plot development when the exam0les are clearly shown in both Bleach and Naruto, as well as many other manga/anime.

To tell you the truth I'm reading Bleach and Ive watched/read Yu-Yu Hakusho and I havent thought of the slightest similarity between them.

[LegendaryArcanine42]

@FyuriaLeo

So you haven't noticed any similarities plot-wise, or even similarities within the characters?

[Fyuria'sLeo]

@FyuriaLeo

So you haven't noticed any similarities plot-wise, or even similarities within the characters?

Nope. Not really.

[Rocket]

Oh why do I think of bad ending!?

Okay, so I was thinking of NaruSaku or whatever, and then I though about what would happen if the ending to this anime is going to have Naruto like lose all his memories? You know, those lame movie endings, they are everywhere! Kishi better not do it, although if he did, I can see Sakura trying to tell him they are lovers or something..

If that happens, it's either one, a strange twist of fate, or two, lobotomy ( Sucker Punch).

So you're telling me that because DBZ wasn't Kishimoto's only inspiration, that it completely removes its credibility as a basis for why the author would use a plot change?

I would also like to direct your attention to the similarities between Yu-Yu Hakusho and Bleach, you can't possibly tell me that inspiration doesn't influence plot development when the exam0les are clearly shown in both Bleach and Naruto, as well as many other manga/anime.

Maybe we should all just stop making comparisons to other anime/manga. They're all different stories by different people, so the argument isn't valid.

And when I say we, I don't just mean you, but all of us who are doing so.

[Don-kun]

So you're telling me that because DBZ wasn't Kishimoto's only inspiration, that it completely removes its credibility as a basis for why the author would use a plot change?

I would also like to direct your attention to the similarities between Yu-Yu Hakusho and Bleach, you can't possibly tell me that inspiration doesn't influence plot development when the exam0les are clearly shown in both Bleach and Naruto, as well as many other manga/anime.

@FyuriaLeo

So you haven't noticed any similarities plot-wise, or even similarities within the characters?

@Densetsu-Kun are you trollinig
I read DBZ and I am reading Naruto
they may be some Similarly in the manga context
but not in Romance in dragon the Author never focus and any romance or pairing
it only happen.
Ask yourself how can Yancha be dating Bulma and 3 years later bulma have a child for Vegeta and everyone is surprised to know that Yancha's was not the child father. (that make no sense)
Bulma x Vegeta only happen for one reason (more Saiyans) there was no build up to that relation.

Edited by donjoseph19, 20 October 2011 - 11:57 PM.

[LegendaryArcanine42]

Nope. Not really.

Ignoring the actual personalities of the characters and just going on their roles, timing and on the pacing of plot progression...

Renji - Kurama
Byakuya - Hiei
Aizen - Toguru

The similarities are there, although they aren't as blatant as the others I've seen... but if you've read Hakusho, then you might have a rough idea of how Bleach might end.

[Greed-Sama]

I really hate to be that guy, but the topic is NaruSaku and the pairing. The discussion of the manga's and their similarities would probably be best discussed in the 3 Big Manga Discussion thread. (or somewhere similar)

Anyway the lack of NaruSaku in the manga is actually refreshing. I'm more interested in the events taking place at the moment. The evidence clearly points to NaruSaku so I'm just enjoying the ride for now.