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#6021 swagosaurus

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 04:33 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Dec 11 2012, 01:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Once more, the promise is not over. That said that's not the reason why she has those feelings. It's like I said before. Kage Summit Arc was the first to actually put her on the spotlight of her feelings. It was a test and yeah, it was negative. After that arc, we got the lover nin and it was appropriate timing to finally tell her without being direct that if she likes someone, that person must be great. Remember how we thought she no longer loves Sasuke back in beginning of part 2. Yeah, what I'm saying is that the love drama is back because we are at the near end and throughout part 2, we had nothing but Naruto and Sakura developing together. Now, we got a roadblock: Sasuke. It's like the usual love drama. You get a couple getting along so well, but then, one of them old crush returns and things get complicated. That's what happened.

I understand how you feel. Take it how you see it but honestly, even we go by all point of view, NS has always been the strongest out of all them. You got Sakura/Sasuke who one is a bad guy, love confession failed, and he has no thought of her individually whatsoever. You got Naruto/Hinata who one will never change, both has very development, and hardly get real pairing developments. Then you got Naruto/Sakura who one can change a person, never gives up, and forever have the same feelings only to mature them, while the other one has deep bond, feels happy, cares a lot, and potentially can be his lover. I'm not being biased but that's how it is. If Naruto changes, he's not Naruto. That's the fact that I'll stick by to the end. Take it or leave it.


Pretty much this. NaruHina has been one-sided the whole manga. The only thing it has going for it is the enormous fanbase (which, I don't even think is that big in Japan). Kishi has already stated that Hinata is not Sakura; that's fact. Naruto loves Sakura. If Kishi does NaruHina, he's breaking his title character. He'd be giving up his feelings for Sakura for something that was already there; when has Naruto ever had something given to him, aside from the Kyuubi?

Edited by swagosaurus, 11 December 2012 - 04:33 AM.



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Posted 11 December 2012 - 04:41 AM

I think people overthink too much when it comes to pairings. I just read the chapters I don't see one panel or more and freak out.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 04:43 AM

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Yeah...well to be honest, I disagree with you. I made a post a long time ago and it's pretty long. Just ask yourself this at least then: why is Karin going back to Sasuke then? Shouldn't she be done with him? What purpose is to have Karin as an Uzumaki? Why Sasuke is shocked? Remember that chapter with Naruto and Sasuke in Kage Summit Arc. Why have one panel with her when the whole chapter before that didn't have her in the first place? What is her current state of mind? Why Kishi held her back before meeting Sasuke? I know this place isn't the right place to talk about her, but perhaps when it's connected to NS since this is NS thread.


Essentially you want SasuKarin to get Sasuke out of the way. This is the only way the pairing can relate to NaruSaku, after all - giving Sasuke a love interest outside of Sakura. Its not bad, but from my view Sasuke doesn't pose a threat if single; he is a rather unromantic character.

Also I don't believe its right to give Karin more credit than Sakura regarding Sasuke- especially if you want Karin to change her mind and like Sasuke again anyway. Both characters are in an identical situation, and calling Sakura pathetic (not just talking to you this time) for still having feelings, regardless of pairing preference, is contradicting if you want Karin to eventually feel the same way. Its easy to look the other way regarding this I guess, because one outcome is much better for NS (SasuKarin) while the other (SasuSaku) wouldprevent it from happening.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 04:51 AM

The thing with Karin is...there's one moment that always stuck out to me and hasn't been answered yet. Apparently she did something to Sasuke a long time ago. Then there was the time he actually smiled at her, and he didn't even know her. And it wasn't like a smirk smile...but like a genuine one. Idk...maybe I'm over thinking this, but if they really do have some history together then I don't see it as far fetched if Sasuke isn't single by the end of this, and not with Sakura. He's not the same Sasuke that Sakura knew from Konoha after all. He would have changed a little I'm sure, and Karin would have been there to see it all happen.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 04:56 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Dec 11 2012, 04:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Once more, the promise is not over. That said that's not the reason why she has those feelings. It's like I said before. Kage Summit Arc was the first to actually put her on the spotlight of her feelings. It was a test and yeah, it was negative. After that arc, we got the lover nin and it was appropriate timing to finally tell her without being direct that if she likes someone, that person must be great. Remember how we thought she no longer loves Sasuke back in beginning of part 2. Yeah, what I'm saying is that the love drama is back because we are at the near end and throughout part 2, we had nothing but Naruto and Sakura developing together. Now, we got a roadblock: Sasuke. It's like the usual love drama. You get a couple getting along so well, but then, one of them old crush returns and things get complicated. That's what happened.

I understand how you feel. Take it how you see it but honestly, even we go by all point of view, NS has always been the strongest out of all them. You got Sakura/Sasuke who one is a bad guy, love confession failed, and he has no thought of her individually whatsoever. You got Naruto/Hinata who one will never change, both has very development, and hardly get real pairing developments. Then you got Naruto/Sakura who one can change a person, never gives up, and forever have the same feelings only to mature them, while the other one has deep bond, feels happy, cares a lot, and potentially can be his lover. I'm not being biased but that's how it is. If Naruto changes, he's not Naruto. That's the fact that I'll stick by to the end. Take it or leave it.


Lol, you're a stubborn one, aren't you? So what exactly didn't you get? The part where Naruto said it's not about the promise anymore? The part where he said that he personally wants to save Sasuke? Or the part where Kakashi states that it looks like a heavy weight has been lifted off his shoulders? This type of denial is rare, and to see it from a fellow NS fan is sad. Like i said before, if people actually thought that Sakura didn't love Sasuke anymore is a fool. Just because her feelings haven't been touched on dosen't mean they suddenly vanished, just like Naruto. Yes, obviously the love aspect is being brought up since it's nearing it's end, and though she's not happy about it, she still loves Sasuke. There is simply no good argument that can go against Sakura getting over Sasuke because she already had plenty of opportunities to do so.

The second half of your post i agree with.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 04:59 AM

QUOTE (swagosaurus @ Dec 10 2012, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pretty much this. NaruHina has been one-sided the whole manga. The only thing it has going for it is the enormous fanbase (which, I don't even think is that big in Japan). Kishi has already stated that Hinata is not Sakura; that's fact. Naruto loves Sakura. If Kishi does NaruHina, he's breaking his title character. He'd be giving up his feelings for Sakura for something that was already there; when has Naruto ever had something given to him, aside from the Kyuubi?

Last time I heard, it's not. In fact, NejiHina is more popular than NaruHina. Perhaps that's why we got fanservice in the anime. Who knows. Anyway, it shouldn't matter with Kishi as he doesn't look like he will be converted by the fans. He can only do fanservice, but not make them a reality. That's as far as he can go for other pairings. We got to remember that the stuff we get are more of a Hinata (alone) fanservice. It's just so happen that she loves Naruto, so we get two package without intentionally bringing the other one. Either way, there's actually problems with Naruto going with Hinata. Sorry to say that, but it's a sad truth.
QUOTE (sakurx @ Dec 10 2012, 11:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think people overthink too much when it comes to pairings. I just read the chapters I don't see one panel or more and freak out.

I won't be surprised to be honest with you. Kishi probably have a "Huh?" face during these recent chapters. The only thing that's really important in all seriousness is the conflict between Obito and Naruto, and it so happen that Sakura can connect, but this is all up to Kishi right now.

QUOTE (AzureWaters @ Dec 10 2012, 11:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Essentially you want SasuKarin to get Sasuke out of the way. This is the only way the pairing can relate to NaruSaku, after all - giving Sasuke a love interest outside of Sakura. Its not bad, but from my view Sasuke doesn't pose a threat if single; he is a rather unromantic character.

Also I don't believe its right to give Karin more credit than Sakura regarding Sasuke- especially if you want Karin to change her mind and like Sasuke again anyway. Both characters are in an identical situation, and calling Sakura pathetic (not just talking to you this time) for still having feelings, regardless of pairing preference, is contradicting if you want Karin to eventually feel the same way. Its easy to look the other way regarding this I guess, because one outcome is much better for NS (SasuKarin) while the other (SasuSaku) wouldprevent it from happening.

To be honest, no, not really. I made a LAP a while back and said it already that Sasuke really has two directions: her or alone. Alone can happen, which is most likely at this case, but if Kishi must make a pairing, well why not her. It may be odd, but wouldn't you say it's even more odd with Sakura. I don't need Sasuke to get out of the way. Why think that way? That's the unfortunate problem in pairing war. You can support the so-called sideshipping, because well, you'll be sideshipping. I can't say I support SasuKarin, but if it happens, well that's nice I guess. I already said this millions of times already. Maybe I should make a blog of all of my LAPs and such. Anyway, it's not like Sakura knows anything about Karin, so why need her to make Sakura understand that Sasuke won't like her. The point is that all love should happen because of what you truly feel about that person, not that one person is with another person and you have to change your mind for the sake of forgetting. What I want is that they developed on themselves. I want it like "Hey Sasuke, we are together-ttebayo!", not like "I see, he's with that red hair girl. Where is Naruto?" I don't need sideshipping, but it wouldn't stop me liking something else. I hope that clears it up.

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Dec 10 2012, 11:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lol, you're a stubborn one, aren't you? So what exactly didn't you get? The part where Naruto said it's not about the promise anymore? The part where he said that he personally wants to save Sasuke? Or the part where Kakashi states that it looks like a heavy weight has been lifted off his shoulders? This type of denial is rare, and to see it from a fellow NS fan is sad. Like i said before, if people actually thought that Sakura didn't love Sasuke anymore is a fool. Just because her feelings haven't been touched on dosen't mean they suddenly vanished, just like Naruto. Yes, obviously the love aspect is being brought up since it's nearing it's end, and though she's not happy about it, she still loves Sasuke. There is simply no good argument that can go against Sakura getting over Sasuke because she already had plenty of opportunities to do so.

The second half of your post i agree with.

Well, my problem is that I read the chapter once more, and it didn't say anymore. Otherwise, it's like he's saying, "I didn't care Sasuke that much long time ago. But I respect your feeling. I will save him!" to "Well over the past years, I realized I deeply care about him. So it's not about your promise anymore. I want to save him." What he said is more like this, "I want her to be happy. I too want Sasuke back. I will save him!" to "Even though you feel this way, promise or not, I STILL want to save him because he's like a brother to me." You get the difference. He didn't need to make the promise. He already wanted to save him because they're "brothers". But Sakura was broken into tears before he left, so he made a promise, so that way she can at least keep smiling. When he failed the first time, he still holds that promise as long as she is happy. Now when they talked back at the summit, Sakura only assume that he's pushing too hard for her sake, hence the guilt with Sai saying, "Perhaps it's your fault as well." Even Sakura changed her feelings to Naruto and wants him to return home, Naruto won't return because he is doing this for himself as well. That's why he said, "It doesn't have anything to do with the promise. I want to save Sasuke." In other words, no way in hell he will change his mind. The promise wasn't ended by Naruto or even Sakura. To make a fair, perhaps we could wait on the manga to confirm again if the promise is there, but so far, it seems like it is. It could be brought up again before fighting Sasuke. If you really think this marks the end of NS, well not you but others, then prepare to be disappointed.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 11 December 2012 - 05:14 AM.


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Posted 11 December 2012 - 05:48 AM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Dec 11 2012, 12:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lol, you're a stubborn one, aren't you? So what exactly didn't you get? The part where Naruto said it's not about the promise anymore? The part where he said that he personally wants to save Sasuke? Or the part where Kakashi states that it looks like a heavy weight has been lifted off his shoulders? This type of denial is rare, and to see it from a fellow NS fan is sad. Like i said before, if people actually thought that Sakura didn't love Sasuke anymore is a fool. Just because her feelings haven't been touched on dosen't mean they suddenly vanished, just like Naruto. Yes, obviously the love aspect is being brought up since it's nearing it's end, and though she's not happy about it, she still loves Sasuke. There is simply no good argument that can go against Sakura getting over Sasuke because she already had plenty of opportunities to do so.

The second half of your post i agree with.


I find myself agreeing with you luffyq1 including the denial part, I can see many ways how NS can happen but I can also see some ways NS won't become the end pairing even when it contradict the story, goes against Naruto character, send a negative message, make Sakura character look very bad and show us that no matter how great of a person you are you will always lose to the jerk guy, this could happen and it's something many likes to ignore.

But I have to disagree with the promise part.
Naruto didn't said that the promise does not matter anymore, he said that this it has nothing to do with his promise to her, if he did drop that promise it would mean that he is an hypocrite because in 457 he told Sai that how could he tell her how he feels if he cannot even keep his promise.

We know that Naruto wanted to save Sasuke on his own even before he made that promise but after his chat with Tobi his resolve to save Sasuke only got stronger, so Naruto told Sakura that he also wants to Save Sasuke and that has nothing to do with his promise to her, (this isn't about that promise I know why Sasuke is so obsessive with revenge) meaning that his promise to her is something apart. He wants to save Sasuke and he also wants to protect Sakura's smile, again if Naruto did drop his word about his promise in that confession, then all that never give up or go back on his word Naruto loves to preach and something we NS fans love to re-mind the other pairing fans will only mean crap.

Think about it.

Edited by Don-kun, 11 December 2012 - 06:17 AM.


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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:11 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Dec 11 2012, 05:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, my problem is that I read the chapter once more, and it didn't say anymore. Otherwise, it's like he's saying, "I didn't care Sasuke that much long time ago. But I respect your feeling. I will save him!" to "Well over the past years, I realized I deeply care about him. So it's not about your promise anymore. I want to save him." What he said is more like this, "I want her to be happy. I too want Sasuke back. I will save him!" to "Even though you feel this way, promise or not, I STILL want to save him because he's like a brother to me." You get the difference. He didn't need to make the promise. He already wanted to save him because they're "brothers". But Sakura was broken into tears before he left, so he made a promise, so that way she can at least keep smiling. When he failed the first time, he still holds that promise as long as she is happy. Now when they talked back at the summit, Sakura only assume that he's pushing too hard for her sake, hence the guilt with Sai saying, "Perhaps it's your fault as well." Even Sakura changed her feelings to Naruto and wants him to return home, Naruto won't return because he is doing this for himself as well. That's why he said, "It doesn't have anything to do with the promise. I want to save Sasuke." In other words, no way in hell he will change his mind. The promise wasn't ended by Naruto or even Sakura. To make a fair, perhaps we could wait on the manga to confirm again if the promise is there, but so far, it seems like it is. It could be brought up again before fighting Sasuke. If you really think this marks the end of NS, well not you but others, then prepare to be disappointed.


You're clinging onto something that has already been dealt with. The poal was first a mixture of Naruto & Sakura's feelings. You simply can't accept the fact that the poal become something bigger than it was originally planned, and that is in more regards to Sasuke & Naruto, not Sakura. As stated, he can't become hokage if he can't even save one friend. Naruto turned the poal into more of a test for his character. Part of Sakura's confession was to lift the poal from Naruto, as evident of Sai's observational skills that led him to the conclusion that the poal was curse, which he stated to Sakura. The poal (curse) is lifted. Saving Sasuke is now about Naruto's pride, getting Sasuke out of the darkness, and for team 7. He's not doing it specifically for one person anymore. Just because the poal is lifted doesn't mean Naruto's feeling are gone, i say this because that is the impression you're giving me by stubbornly clinging onto it so desperately.

Edited by luffyq1, 11 December 2012 - 06:37 AM.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:14 AM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Dec 11 2012, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lol, you're a stubborn one, aren't you? So what exactly didn't you get? The part where Naruto said it's not about the promise anymore? The part where he said that he personally wants to save Sasuke? Or the part where Kakashi states that it looks like a heavy weight has been lifted off his shoulders? This type of denial is rare, and to see it from a fellow NS fan is sad. Like i said before, if people actually thought that Sakura didn't love Sasuke anymore is a fool. Just because her feelings haven't been touched on dosen't mean they suddenly vanished, just like Naruto. Yes, obviously the love aspect is being brought up since it's nearing it's end, and though she's not happy about it, she still loves Sasuke. There is simply no good argument that can go against Sakura getting over Sasuke because she already had plenty of opportunities to do so.

The second half of your post i agree with.

Farout, it's not being stubborn, it's having different interpretations, different opinions. The heavy weight that kakashi mentions could be the fact that naruto had met Sasuke after this long a time and that when people asked him what he would do if Sasuke didn't want to come back to konoha, he said he would know the answer once he saw him face to face. And like I mentioned from my previous post, maybe she doesn't love Sasuke anymore, maybe it's just because its hard to kill off your dream of having team 7 reunited and happy.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:29 AM

QUOTE (Chucky-kun @ Dec 11 2012, 07:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Farout, it's not being stubborn, it's having different interpretations, different opinions. The heavy weight that kakashi mentions could be the fact that naruto had met Sasuke after this long a time and that when people asked him what he would do if Sasuke didn't want to come back to konoha, he said he would know the answer once he saw him face to face. And like I mentioned from my previous post, maybe she doesn't love Sasuke anymore, maybe it's just because its hard to kill off your dream of having team 7 reunited and happy.


Interpretations are fine, but some of you guys are really going overboard with it, especially when it came to chapter 540. So you include that Kakashi's statement towards Naruto involved meeting Sasuke after a long time, and finding his resolve to do what needs to be done for Sasuke? You know that ties in to when Naruto & Sakura found out that Sasuke is with Akatsuki, right? The poal, Naruto's resolve, it all ties in together to the summit. That is what Kakashi's comment was about, especially since he witnessed Naruto begging the Raikage to not kill Sasuke.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:36 AM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Dec 11 2012, 02:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You're clinging onto something that has already been dealt with. The poal was first a mixture of Naruto & Sakura's feelings. You simply can't accept the fact that the poal become something bigger than it was originally planned, and that is in more regards to Sasuke & Naruto, not Sakura. As stated, he can't become hokage if he can't even save one friend. Naruto turned the poal into more of a test for his character. Part of Sakura's confession was to lift the poal from Naruto, as evident of Sai's obversational skills that lead him to the conclusion that the poal was curse, which he stated to Sakura. The poal (curse) is lifted. Saving Sasuke is now about Naruto's pride, getting Sasuke out of the darkness, and for team 7. He's not doing it specifically for one person anymore. Just because the poal is lifted doesn't mean Naruto's feeling are gone, because that is the impression you're giving me by stubbornly clinging onto it so desperately.


This isn't about that promise. The promise is something apart.

Heavy burden being lifted it can also be explained the way Chucky-kun did.

The how can I be Hokage if I cannot even save a friend.

Naruto also said, How can he tell her if he cannot even keep a promise.

In other words this means that Sasuke is the Elephant in the room, Naruto will never become Hokage and he will never tell Sakura how he feels if he cannot save Sasuke, those two thing are tied together.

If nothing change Sakura's feeling towards Sasuke what would? Naruto confessing his feelings to her, what she means to him while he gives her some self esteem she lacks.


Again think about hi

Edited by Don-kun, 11 December 2012 - 06:43 AM.


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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:43 AM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Dec 11 2012, 07:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This isn't about that promise. the promise is apart.
Heavy burden being lifted it can also be explained the way Chucky-kun did.

The how can I be Hokage if I cannot even save a friend.

Naruto said, How can I if i cannot even keep a promise.

In other words it means that Sasuke is the Elephant in the room, Naruto will never become Hokage if he cannot save Sasuke and he will never tell Sakura how he feels if he cannot save Sasuke, those two thing was tied together.

If nothing change Sakura's feeling towards Sasuke what would? Naruto confessing his feelings to her, what she means to him while he giving her some self esteem she lacks.


Again think about hi


Like i said before, the poal became more of a test of Naruto's character in regards to being worthy or not of the title of Hokage. Sakura clearly states that Naruto doesn't need to keep the promise for her anymore, and Naruto says it's not about the promise anymore. You guys really don't want to take that specific moment at face value lol.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:48 AM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Dec 11 2012, 02:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Like i said before, the poal became more of a test of Naruto's character in regards to being worthy or not of the title of Hokage. Sakura clearly states that Naruto doesn't need to keep the promise anymore, and Naruto replies back it's not about the promise anymore. You guys really don't want to take this at face value lol.


All you need to do if you want to argue with me, is to show me the panel that says that.

it's not about the promise anymore

I try to be the lest biased and open minded i can, and the panel I read says it has nothing to do with his promise to her.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:55 AM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Dec 11 2012, 07:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
All you need to do if you want to argue with me, is to show me the panel that says that.

it's not about the promise anymore

I try to be the lest biased and open minded i can, and the panel I read says it has nothing to do with his promise to her.


How about you not be lazy and go read chapter 470. He clearly states it's not about the promise anymore, twice! Sakura wanted him to let go of the promise for her, but he doesn't care about the promise anymore because it is insignificant to her needs.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:57 AM

As hard as this is to say, we have a LOT more in common with NH shippers than we admit and viceversa.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:59 AM

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What do you mean?


QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Dec 11 2012, 02:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How about you not be lazy and go read chapter 470. He clearly states it's not about the promise anymore, twice! Sakura wanted him to let go of the promise for her, but he doesn't care about the promise anymore because it is insigificant to her wants.


Sorry but now you kind of being rude, I would not argue something if I didn't went over on over it.

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Since you and NaruSaku4Life3g started this discussion I been reading every single scan online I could find.

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#6037 luffyq1

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:03 AM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Dec 11 2012, 07:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
^^
What do you mean?




Sorry but now you kind of being rude, I don't argue something if I didn't went over on over it.

https://www.google.c...&...366&bih=574

Since you and NaruSaku4Life3g started this discussion I been reading every single scan online I could find.



How am i being rude? I'm clearly telling you to go read chapter 470 instead of having me provide you evidence to support my claims. Chapter 469 & 470 is something that every NS fan should remember.
He states twice it's not about the promise, how else are you suppose to interpret that? Lol.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:22 AM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Dec 11 2012, 08:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How am i being rude? I'm clearly telling you to go read chapter 470 instead of having me provide you evidence to support my claims. Chapter 469 & 470 is something that every NS fan should remember.
He states twice it's not about the promise, how else are you suppose to interpret that? Lol.

Naruto going after Sasuke was never about the promise for Sakura, the promise has always been about his feelings for Sakura even if he didn't make the promise he would still go after Sasuke so it doesn't contradict what the others said.
I can't stay for long so i kept it short we will continue this later if you wish.

Edited by Awes9, 11 December 2012 - 07:24 AM.


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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:30 AM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Dec 11 2012, 07:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How about you not be lazy and go read chapter 470. He clearly states it's not about the promise anymore, twice! Sakura wanted him to let go of the promise for her, but he doesn't care about the promise anymore because it is insignificant to her needs.

First of all who the hell stated that naruto gave up on the promise? Kakshi? No he said that he looks like he lost a big burden.
But he never said it was the promise. It was that naruto finally got to talk with sasuke and that naruto maybe found a way to bring sasuke back again(the picture where you see iruka saving him from the shuriken). Also, how could naruto drop a lifelong promise? He said its his nindo to bring sasuke back, so its also his nindo to keep that promise.

The whole story is about naruto saying "i will save sasuke, i will bring sasuke back!" and all he needs to say is:" its not about the promise anymore" and it means naruto gave up on it. If thats like that narutos character would look like kitten because for me it would look like: "i dont care about you and your feelings anymore i just want to bring back sasuke because i want it like that it has nothing to do with you" an thats not narutos character who was always shown selfless.

Next thing is about karin. I agree with narusaku4life3g because i dont see a reason for karin to break out of jail, when shes shown before how she cant give away sasukes picture and also isnt able to stamp on it. So im sure she still loves him.
Also, where else then team taca should karin go right now??? To the war and help the alliance? Dont think so. Team taca is the only place she can go.

To finish this. Since it seems like 80% of all here lost their faith in NS and kishi, i think i shiuld join and just forget all the development NS has, all the parrallels, the hints, the databooks, the movie and the fact that in shounen the tsundere usally in 90% of the cases ends up with the hero.(attention sarcasm)

And no. No post here convinced me thats SS has a higher possibilty then 0,00001% for me.
So i keep enjoying the flow of the story since kishis not a bad writer only because he still shows sakura loving sasuke.
Im sure hes not going to Dissapoint me. Till now i have nothing to doubt NS in a way.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:57 AM

QUOTE (Awes9 @ Dec 11 2012, 08:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Naruto going after Sasuke was never about the promise for Sakura, the promise has always been about his feelings for Sakura even if he didn't make the promise he would still go after Sasuke so it doesn't contradict what the others said.
I can't stay for long so i kept it short we will continue this later if you wish.


Huh? Lol.


QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Dec 11 2012, 08:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
First of all who the hell stated that naruto gave up on the promise? Kakshi? No he said that he looks like he lost a big burden.
But he never said it was the promise. It was that naruto finally got to talk with sasuke and that naruto maybe found a way to bring sasuke back again(the picture where you see iruka saving him from the shuriken). Also, how could naruto drop a lifelong promise? He said its his nindo to bring sasuke back, so its also his nindo to keep that promise.

The whole story is about naruto saying "i will save sasuke, i will bring sasuke back!" and all he needs to say is:" its not about the promise anymore" and it means naruto gave up on it. If thats like that narutos character would look like kitten because for me it would look like: "i dont care about you and your feelings anymore i just want to bring back sasuke because i want it like that it has nothing to do with you" an thats not narutos character who was always shown selfless.



Read my post carefully. Naruto clearly states it's not about the promise, twice in chapter 470. Am i really going to have to baby you by having you sit on my lap while i read chapter 470 to you? Seems like it. The summit was about Naruto meeting Sasuke, Naruto finding his resolve to the situation of Sasuke, Sakura confronting Naruto about the poal (it's a curse as Sai stated), Sakura trying to forcefully and awkwardly lifting the the heavy burderns from Naruto, Sakura confrontation Sasuke and coming to terms with her feelings. That is pretty much the summit in a nutshell in regards to Naruto & Sakura. His nindo for bringing back Sasuke has turned into something much bigger than Sakura's needs, as it looked incredibly insignificant to the situation Naruto was in. The nindo is there, but for team 7, not for Sakura solely. In fact, the promise started out not just about Sakura's feelings, but also Naruto's feelings as well. But the fact is that the circumstances have changed greatly due to Sasuke, and Naruto understands this as evident from when he said it's not about the promise to Sakura, which he stated twice in 470. Naruto wasn't acting OOC, he just realised that saving Sasuke from himself is more important than what Sakura wants for herself.

Edited by luffyq1, 11 December 2012 - 08:07 AM.

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