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[Madz]

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I don't think it's very likely, either. He never really talked to her, even when they were in team 7. The only so-called interaction they had is when Sasuke was leaving the village and he listened to Sakura's confession. At least he listened until the end and didn't interrupt her calling her annoying... but he did say it later.
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That's a bit pushing it far . Sasuke did have lots of interaction with Sakura.

One of many which comes to my mind off the bat and which I find strong was:
Chapter 36. When Sakura was depressed about her abilities to take the chunin exams, it was Sasuke who noticed that she was down, and it was Sasuke who boosted her up by pointing out that she the best in Genjutsu detection among them three.
And at that particular point, the three did not know that they had to take the test together or could not enter the test if one refused to take it (as informed by kakashi in chapter 38), so it cannot be said that Sasuke was encouraging her for his own selfish reasons...

[Fenris]

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I don't think it's very likely, either. He never really talked to her, even when they were in team 7. The only so-called interaction they had is when Sasuke was leaving the village and he listened to Sakura's confession. At least he listened until the end and didn't interrupt her calling her annoying... but he did say it later.
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That's a bit pushing it far . Sasuke did have lots of interaction with Sakura.

One of many which comes to my mind off the bat and which I find strong was:
Chapter 36. When Sakura was depressed about her abilities to take the chunin exams, it was Sasuke who noticed that she was down, and it was Sasuke who boosted her up by pointing out that she the best in Genjutsu detection among them three.
And at that particular point, the three did not know that they had to take the test together or could not enter the test if one refused to take it (as informed by kakashi in chapter 38), so it cannot be said that Sasuke was encouraging her for his own selfish reasons...

Okay. So he barely talked to her.

[Madz]

Sasuke barely talked to anyone, anyway, if it's the quantity that it being looked here.
I was more showing the "quality" of the interaction.

[Fenris]

Sasuke barely talked to anyone, anyway, if it's the quantity that it being looked here.
I was more showing the "quality" of the interaction.

Ahah I know. It's just, sure he complimented her skills, but I just don't see it as any more than that.

[Don-kun]

Revenge don't makes sense, continuing a viscous circle of hatred and death don't makes sense. Sasuke still being pissed of a group of people who already have accepted him is totally conceivable! And then he joining forces with a group that wants to kill everyone including friends is just the icing on this cake, in other words they accept Sasuke and beg him to return and he refuse.

I am one of those who hate the idea that things have to be resolved around Sasuke, for Sakura to speak with Sasuke to crlear hen mind doesn't make sense from an objective standpoint. It makes no sense why Sakura would pursue it in the face of Sasuke's treatment of her. It's pretty pathetic.

Tu be honest Sakura don't need to speak with Sasuke to clear her feelings that will only insults her character because they never had a boyfriend girlfriend relationship, he has to win their friendship and trust 1st and that will take time he hurt them he really hurt them.

I think that With Sasuke been redeem that will be enough they can speak normaly and she can now see the person she really love with out havent to be thinking about Sasuke all the time.

[LegendaryArcanine42]

I guess my first gripe constitutes as off-topic... But still, a NaruSaku debate on a NaruSaku site? It is slightly biased to be fair...

But because I'm coming from a neutral standpoint on the NaruSaku, NaruHina, SasuSaku, NaruSasu spectrum... I should give my completely unbiased opinion and all that other stuff...

A-hem...

NaruSaku seems the most canon because Naruto's interest lies with Sakura...

However, Kishimoto seems to be drawing influences from DBZ (which I have mentioned multiple times before ¬_¬)

And NaruHina seems a more viable option if we were to take that into account and here's the reason why...

Naruto = Goku
Sasuke = Vegeta
Sakura = Bulma
Hinata = Chichi - Read the original Dragonball and you'll see what I mean

Two things about this, if you change the characters around and insert them into their respective storylines you can see how similar their personalities are...

And guess who ends up with who on Dragonball Z

Now I can already predict the counter-arguments for BOTH of my statements

@NaruSaku But he was a kid back then, HE CAN CHANGE HIS MIND, HE MUST CHANGE HIS MIND!!!

(Well Hinata never stopped loving Naruto, now did she?)

@NaruHina But this is NARUTO not DBZ hurrdurr...

(Many anime that are based off of another one have remarkable plot similarities... e.g. Bleach + Yu-Yu Hakusho)

So let me know what you think guys?

[Don-kun]

I guess my first gripe constitutes as off-topic... But still, a NaruSaku debate on a NaruSaku site? It is slightly biased to be fair...

But because I'm coming from a neutral standpoint on the NaruSaku, NaruHina, SasuSaku, NaruSasu spectrum... I should give my completely unbiased opinion and all that other stuff...

A-hem...

NaruSaku seems the most canon because Naruto's interest lies with Sakura...

However, Kishimoto seems to be drawing influences from DBZ (which I have mentioned multiple times before ¬_¬)

And NaruHina seems a more viable option if we were to take that into account and here's the reason why...

Naruto = Goku
Sasuke = Vegeta
Sakura = Bulma
Hinata = Chichi - Read the original Dragonball and you'll see what I mean

Two things about this, if you change the characters around and insert them into their respective storylines you can see how similar their personalities are...

And guess who ends up with who on Dragonball Z

Now I can already predict the counter-arguments for BOTH of my statements

@NaruSaku But he was a kid back then, HE CAN CHANGE HIS MIND, HE MUST CHANGE HIS MIND!!!

(Well Hinata never stopped loving Naruto, now did she?)

@NaruHina But this is NARUTO not DBZ hurrdurr...

(Many anime that are based off of another one have remarkable plot similarities... e.g. Bleach + Yu-Yu Hakusho)

So let me know what you think guys?

My replay
Naruto = Goku and the saver standpoint of a good heart person someone that fight to save other, plus a Luffy, Goku and Naruto personalities goofy heros.

Characters

Goku: 12 years never have any romantic feeling for Bulma
Bulma: 16 the person she like was Yancha
Yancha: 16 or 17 years
Vegeta: maybe 20 years
Chichi: 11 or 12years love Goku frond the start and ask him to marrie her.


there is a big difference with Naruto

Naruto 12 years like Sakura 12 years. Naruto main focus Sakura and Sasuke
Goku never like Bulma = Bulma (Teen) seen Goku (Kid) as a little brother. Goku main focus strong enemys Fight
I don't think I need to say more.

[Super Boom]

So let me know what you think guys?

LOL, you like to bring up DBZ comparisons, don't you? Not that it's bad thing, Kishi obviously took a lot of his ideas from it, as have countless other shounen manga. Anyways, this topic has been discussed like 9000 times ( ) on this thread, but I'll bring up the main counterpoints.

a.) The Chi-chi-Hinata/Bulma-Sakura comparisons only go as far as their relative roles in the plot and the amount of screentime they got. Their personalities are completely different. Chi-chi was never as shy as Hinata, in fact her attitude towards Goku was more similar to how Sakura fan-girled over Sasuke. On top of that, don't forget that Chi-chi kind of grew up to be a mega-tsundere. Between Hinata and Sakura, who fits that mold better?

b.) Goku never had feelings for Bulma, and there was a significant age difference between them as I recall. So there's really no comparing Naru/Saku to Goku/Bulma. In fact, I could argue that Chi-chi was the first girl Goku ever had feelings for. It's a poor argument, but it works pretty well as a counterpoint.

c.) There's no evidence that Kishi used DBZ as an inspiration for the romantic subplot. The only source he's cited for that aspect of the plot, from what I've heard, is Slam Dunk. I don't believe the love triangle was resolved in that manga, but I could be wrong.

Anyways, sorry if I'm sounding abrasive, I assume you're just playing devil's advocate by bringing this up. It's possible that it will turn that Kishi used DBZ as an inspiration for the romantic subplot in Naruto, but I don't there's enough evidence to say that right now. And even if it did turn out to be case, we don't know what part Kishi was inspired by. Maybe he's a fan of tsundere relationships.

Edited by Boom...Winning, 20 October 2011 - 05:18 PM.

[LegendaryArcanine42]

there is a big difference with Naruto

Naruto 12 years like Sakura 12 years. Naruto main focus Sakura and Sasuke
Goku never like Bulma = Bulma (Teen) seen Goku (Kid) as a little brother. Goku main focus strong enemys Fight
I don't think I need to say more.

Of course there's a big difference with Naruto, it'se set in a different timeline, different mangaka, different everything

But the similarities in Plot Development and Character's personalities is what led me to come up with those conclusions...

What I'm saying is, Goku ends up with Chichi and Vegeta ends up with Bulma and that is the CORE concept of those pairings...

When I said "Naruto = Goku" or whatever... I was referring to the mindset of Kishimoto if he were to apply DBZ's pairing formula to Naruto... Hence the reason why I said those things...

So if Kishimoto were to follow the DBZ Paring Formula^TM then we would have NaruHina and SasuSaku...

But I have a feeling that Kishimoto is going to disagree with Toriyama-senpai on his patented DBZ Pairing Formula^TM

Which reminds me...

The DBZ Pairing Formula^TM is now $1.99 with p+p charges.

Order now and you can receive "THE BALLS ARE INERT!!!" for half of the normal retail price... Call now!

[LegendaryArcanine42]

LOL, you like to bring up DBZ comparisons, don't you? Not that it's bad thing, Kishi obviously took a lot of his ideas from it, as have countless other shounen manga. Anyways, this topic has been discussed like 9000 times ( ) on this thread, but I'll bring up the main counterpoints.

...

Anyways, sorry if I'm sounding abrasive, I assume you're just devil's advocate by bringing this up. It's possible that it will turn that Kishi used DBZ as an inspiration for the romantic subplot in Naruto, but I don't there's enough evidence to say that right now. And even if it did turn out to be case, we don't know what part Kishi was inspired by. Maybe he's a fan of tsundere relationships.

Firstly, indeed I do enjoy comparing all manga to DBZ where applicable, POPO-SAMA HAS SENT ME ON THIS MISSHUN I MUST FOURFILL!!!

But on a serious note, I agree with the Tsundere factor, simply due to the fact that all the Naruto girls have inherent Tsundere traits (with the exception of Hinata, who I feel has Yandere potential, smexy no?)

But back to your point about Goku and the others, I honestly think that due to the core concept of Goku goes with Chichi and Vegeta goes with Bulma, as opposed to how the relationships are developed is what leads me to believe that if Kishi is following Toriyama's orders then we would end up with NaruHina...

But due to Kishimoto's reputation for "ZOMG PLOT TWISTS!" I think we will end up with NaruSaku when everybody thinks we've got NaruHina, or will we?

Oh and, I think Kishimoto was inspired by all of DBZ, whether he says so, or not...

[nsfan17]

what kind of person is sakura for Still loving or caring for sasuke? Does it makes her superficial or bad?

[pharix]

chichi like hinata? are you serious? :/

[Anguyen92]

Firstly, indeed I do enjoy comparing all manga to DBZ where applicable, POPO-SAMA HAS SENT ME ON THIS MISSHUN I MUST FOURFILL!!!

But on a serious note, I agree with the Tsundere factor, simply due to the fact that all the Naruto girls have inherent Tsundere traits (with the exception of Hinata, who I feel has Yandere potential, smexy no?)

But back to your point about Goku and the others, I honestly think that due to the core concept of Goku goes with Chichi and Vegeta goes with Bulma, as opposed to how the relationships are developed is what leads me to believe that if Kishi is following Toriyama's orders then we would end up with NaruHina...

But due to Kishimoto's reputation for "ZOMG PLOT TWISTS!" I think we will end up with NaruSaku when everybody thinks we've got NaruHina, or will we?

Oh and, I think Kishimoto was inspired by all of DBZ, whether he says so, or not...

Sorry to hijack your thought process, while they are good thoughts, but no double posting, please, as in you can't post and then make another post after your 1st post. All right, then, carry on, we kinda need some sort of breather to this thread, and this is a good start.

what kind of person is sakura for Still loving or caring for sasuke? Does it makes her superficial or bad?

I don't think, at this point, she loves Sasuke in a romantic or fangirl angle, its more of a "what to do with these feelings and how to get rid of them?"

Edited by Anguyen92, 20 October 2011 - 04:47 PM.

[Don-kun]

Of course there's a big difference with Naruto, it'se set in a different timeline, different mangaka, different everything

But the similarities in Plot Development and Character's personalities is what led me to come up with those conclusions...

What I'm saying is, Goku ends up with Chichi and Vegeta ends up with Bulma and that is the CORE concept of those pairings...

When I said "Naruto = Goku" or whatever... I was referring to the mindset of Kishimoto if he were to apply DBZ's pairing formula to Naruto... Hence the reason why I said those things...

So if Kishimoto were to follow the DBZ Paring Formula^TM then we would have NaruHina and SasuSaku...

But I have a feeling that Kishimoto is going to disagree with Toriyama-senpai on his patented DBZ Pairing Formula^TM

Which reminds me...

The DBZ Pairing Formula^TM is now $1.99 with p+p charges.

Order now and you can receive "THE BALLS ARE INERT!!!" for half of the normal retail price... Call now!

I understand your question but as they previously responded you.


Chichi = Sakura in a fangirl aspect

There Was Zero Romance bill up in DBZ, the Vegeta and Bulma thing was really strange we never see what happen it only happen.

We have a guy (Trunks) who came from the future and tells them that Vegeta and Bulam are his parents
when Bulma was dating Yancha
Bulma and Vegeta was an excuse to create more Sayans

With Kishi is not the same, he is adding romance on his Manga

Look at this

Sakura like Sakuke and don't thing about anyone.
Hinata Like Naruto and don't thing about anything els including her branch status.
Sasuke only thinks about revenche
Naruto Like Sakura but respects her feelings


Hinata, Sakura and Sasuke thinking only about themself
but at the same time you try to insert on Sakura, that thinking only about Sasuke is not a good thing and she start noticing Naruto sacrifices for her.

You menthion that Hinata love Naruto but you never seen anyone speaking with Hinata or Hinata herself thinking about the person Naruto may like.

Sasuke thinking about his friends or thinking about what he did to Sakura.

But you have Naruto thinking about Sakura's Feelings and you have Sakura thinking about Naruto's feelings.

That draws you what the Author see as a developed relationships by haven this two parties thinking about each other feelings.
Know what Naruto and Sakura have in common?
Hero and Heroine.

Think about it for a little

Edited by donjoseph19, 20 October 2011 - 05:16 PM.

[LegendaryArcanine42]

I understand your question but as they previously responded you.


Chichi = Sakura in a fangirl aspect

There Was Zero Romance bill up in DBZ, the Vegeta and Bulma thing was really strange we never see what happen it only happen.

We have a guy (Trunks) who came from the future and tells them that Vegeta and Bulam are his parents
when Bulma was dating Yancha
Bulma and Vegeta was an excuse to create more Sayans

With Kishi is not the same, he is adding romance on his Manga

Look at this

Sakura like Sakuke and don't thing about anyone.
Hinata Like Naruto and don't thing about anything els including her branch status.
Sasuke only thinks about revenche
Naruto Like Sakura but respects her feelings


Hinata, Sakura and Sasuke thinking only about themself
but at the same time you try to insert on Sakura, that thinking only about Sasuke is not a good thing and she start noticing Naruto sacrifices for her.

You menthion that Hinata love Naruto but you never seen anyone speaking with Hinata or Hinata herself thinking about the person Naruto may like.

Sasuke thinking about his friends or thinking about what he did to Sakura.

But you have Naruto thinking about Sakura's Feelings and you have Sakura thinking about Naruto's feelings.

That draws you what the Author see as a developed relationships by haven this two parties thinking about each other feelings.
Know what Naruto and Sakura have in common?
Hero and Heroine.

Think about it for a little

And now I am completely confused as to what you are saying...

[Don-kun]

And now I am completely confused as to what you are saying...

The first example is about the comparison of DBZ and Naruto in romance and why the Bulma and Vegeta cannot be related with Naruto Manga


The 2nd example is about the comparison of each characters individualy.

When you look at Sasuke, Hinata, Sakura and Naruto.


Many state that Sakura need to end with Sasuke and Hinata with Naruto to have a perfect balance.

But

-NaruHina is more about Hinata Character and what she want with out thinking about Naruto's feelings.
Hinata don't care if Naruto like somene els she never think about it.

-SasuSaku is more about Sakura and what she want with out thinking about Sasuke feelings.
Sakura already have the clear Picture that Sasuke don't like her in a romantic way and the Author is making it abvios.

-NaruSaku they think about the others feelings and put each one feelings 2nd
Sakura was not like this at the start Kishi change her and start making her worry more about Naruto.

Now Kishi is making everyone see that Sakura need to move on and he is making Hinata looks like Sakura part one
if you look at her appearances, she is only thinking about Naruto that is the same reason why Sakura was criticized.

Edited by donjoseph19, 20 October 2011 - 07:00 PM.

[Miss Soupy]

I think it's because her bond with Sasuke is in greater jeopardy than her bond with Naruto that she thinks of Sasuke after the lover-nin's comment. On top of that, his comment about the one she loves being 'a great guy' was sort of what made her think of Sasuke, since, even in real life, negative thoughts always seem to weigh more heavily than positive ones. But, of course, my personal stance is that it's just much easier for Kishi to reiterate a previously established side of the love triangle than throw a wrench in it, at least at this point.

It is possible that Sakura has some knowledge of her growing feelings for Naruto. I do agree with that as a possibility. I think the next part I don't quite understand though. Are you saying that Sakura thought of Sasuke during the lover-nin discussion because of her negative thoughts for him verses Naruto? I guess I'm confused since the the lover-nin set the tone for a discussion about romantic feelings, which Sakura admitted to having someone, to the lover-nin describing how he would imagine that person to be. She thinks of Sasuke and feels bad because he isn't a good person like was described. I guess I don't see the connection of Sasuke's bond being in jeopardy and her romantic feelings and guilt over him. Though it might be possible for her to think of Sasuke and feel guilty if her comment of having someone is separate altogether, I didn't really read it that way.

It could be Kishi being a bad writer, but Sakura's reaction to Naruto's 'lying to yourself' comment was drawn very differently to her initial confession. I guess, if she was acting the whole time, I don't understand why her acting ability suddenly just got better after Naruto 'rejected her'. I guess I took it as an honest confession of existing feelings mixed with some attempted deception conducted at a very poor time with an ulterior motive. If that makes sense.

I think it's because of Sakura's personality she got so mad XD Not necessarily because she was hurt he didn't believe her, but because she felt embarrassed, scared, and guilty when he called her out on it. When someone gets backed into the corner they can either give up or fight to the death. Sakura is more of the type to fight for the death if she is set on something. Her plan didn't work so she gets mad (sort of at everything at once) and her normal reaction when she is mad at Naruto is yelling or comically punching. It very much appeared to be her throwing a fit (sorta), because she ends up yelling that all she wanted was for him to go back to the village with her. It sort of disregards the rest of what she said and it was her confessing a glimmer of the point of her plan. But that is just my take on her. I originally did have more of the other view, where she was mad because her feelings were truthful. After seeing how the story is now though, I think Kishi fully intended the confession to be this complicated. It's why people are still debating it XD

Though I think it could be the case that the final/next Naruto vs. Sasuke confrontation will be the final step for Sakura to resolve her feelings for Sasuke. Like I said earlier, her bond with Sasuke is the one in jeapordy, and so if Naruto was the one in jeopardy, I have to wonder how this would affect her. Especially if it was Sasuke who threatened that bond. Would she continue to focus on her feelings for Sasuke, or would her bond with Naruto take precedence? We already saw how she reacted when Naruto and Sasuke charged at each other in the Iron Country Arc (yelling Naruto's name), so another scene could be what it takes to resolve that part of her character. I'm personally rooting for a scenario like the OVA that came out at the beginning of the year, but we'll see what happens.

That could happen, though Sakura had already tried to take action for Naruto's sake (yet again, the confession...). And not only that but she was putting her bond with Naruto on the line for that moment. I mean, Sai did she was was willing to do it even if Naruto hated her, which was putting that bond in jeopardy. Sakura is willing to put Naruto's well-being over simply keeping Naruto happy, which is a plus. And it was Sasuke, though more indirectly, threatening Naruto's life. So we know Sakura will act under that pressure. I'm not sure if this same sort of push is needed at a higher level or if Sakura really just needs to figure out why she loves Sasuke. I mean, has that ever been clear? She wanted his acknowledgement, but why did she want it to begin with? Perhaps there is part of the story we are missing which Sakura needs to come to terms with. Sure, Sakura would put her life in danger for Naruto, but what will it take for her to not love Sasuke? Him trying to kill her didn't seem to cut it, her heavy guilt is on-going. So what will be the big hitter that will end her romantic love for him once and for all? It will be something, of course, but I can't really see what it will be at this point.

[FoolishYoungling]

With Sakura caring about Naruto more than herself right now, do you all think she would kill herself for him? Would she do the same for Sasuke, or the same but in a different kind of way? Although if Kishi did make Sakura die, he mind as well let the Nine tails burst out of Naruto.. because that is what would happen the second he sees it happen...

Sakura: *cough blood and die*
Naruto: Its all my fault
Fans: Naruto someone dieing isn't your fault..
Naruto:
Nine-Tails: Hey...

[crazyefra]

@Densetsu-Kun
Trying to compare DBZ with Naruto is one of the weakest "arguments" to ever use and just for the sake of it I'll say that Bulma was in love with Yamcha before falling for Vegeta if I remember correctly.

@Miss Soupy
If I was Kishi, I'll give you some form of answer to that question but since I'm not I'll guess that witnessing Sasuke "killing" Naruto could "break" her out of those romantic feelings (just like what happened to Tsunade when she broke out of her blood-phobia and protected Naruto from Orochimaru).

[Anguyen92]

With Sakura caring about Naruto more than herself right now, 1. do you all think she would kill herself for him? 2. Would she do the same for Sasuke, or the same but in a different kind of way? Although if Kishi did make Sakura die, he mind as well let the Nine tails burst out of Naruto.. because that is what would happen the second he sees it happen...

Hmmm, in what context? As in some sort of, she'll take a bullet for Naruto to save his well-being? If so, yes. As for bolded #2, I honestly hopefully don't think so, unless the reasons and situation is right, like Sasuke is a good guy again, but in this state, not so much.

Edited by Anguyen92, 20 October 2011 - 10:11 PM.