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[choco2]

Trolololo
Kakashi is actually the anbu leader and not the hokage 

Maybe

[Raito]

Sasuke is a kitten person, end of story.

[Princess Iris]

Trolololo
Kakashi is actually the anbu leader and not the hokage 

[Diadochi]

Is that all? It doesn't sound like he did anything wrong.
He's such an adorable like child. You just want to hug him.

Let me ask you guys a question: what do you expect an antagonist or a villain to do? All of the deeds that you've listed is what a villain is supposed to do in their given role. So why hate Sasuke for committing acts that a criminal, such as himself, might do? I know this is going to sound really weird but, do you guys not like criminals? A far better way to put it would be: aren't you fascinated or curious as to why bad people do the things that they do and what really makes them tick within their private thoughts? No doubt in anyones mind that Sasuke is a bad soul, but to hate him for being bad? In my perspective, I'm more interested in the factors that transformed Sasuke into a lowly criminal, cause remember, no one is born evil. I know I'm not the only one who thinks this way, that's why people love movies and shows that center around the life of "low-life criminals" like The Godfather and The Sopranos. Because people are more fascinated with WHY criminals do evil acts than the morality of their deeds. So again, why hate Sasuke for doing bad things? The guys bad and that's his role in the story and you shouldn't really hate a guy for doing his job. I mean to me, the reason why a lot of NS fans hate Sasuke is because of SS shippers, which is natural.

Think about it this way. No one can deny that Sasuke's determination is enormous and it's seldom rivaled, only Naruto's come's close. In order to achieve his first goal, which was to kill Itachi, he had to willingly abandon the place that he called home his entire life and abandon his friends, not knowing what the future would hold for him. That's equivalent of abandoning your home country and leaving every person you ever knew. And through many trials, he eventually completed the task. His next goal was to kill Danzo, the acting Hokage, a fact he knew full well of. In order to achieve that task he had to willingly fight against the world leaders of his verse first just to get to Danzo, knowing full well that by doing so, he'd be branded a criminal wanted on a global scale. And if that wasn't enough, he even went as far as to sacrificing Karin to give Danzo the finishing blow. Do you see where I'm going with this? The guy allows absolutely nothing to stand in his way of achieving goals, albeit it evil goals. But haven't you wondered, what if Sasuke used his iron clad determination for good instead of evil. Imagine what he could accomplish? To use his determination for the better good of the human race. These are questions that need to be asked, and I hope I'm not the only one who has asked them.

Edited by Diadochi, 21 September 2014 - 02:29 AM.

[BlazingDynamo]

I wonder if Guy will be in this movie?

[Khaleesi]

Let me ask you guys a question: what do you expect an antagonist or a villain to do? All of the deeds that you've listed is what a villain is supposed to do in their given role. So why hate Sasuke for committing acts that a criminal, such as himself, might do? I know this is going to sound really weird but, do you guys not like criminals? A far better way to put it would be: aren't you fascinated or curious as to why bad people do the things that they do and what really makes them tick within their private thoughts? No doubt in anyones mind that Sasuke is a bad soul, but to hate him for being bad? In my perspective, I'm more interested in the factors that transformed Sasuke into a lowly criminal, cause remember, no one is born evil. I know I'm not the only one who thinks this way, that's why people love movies and shows that center around the life of "low-life criminals" like The Godfather and The Sopranos. Because people are more fascinated with WHY criminals do evil acts than the morality of their deeds. So again, why hate Sasuke for doing bad things? The guys bad and that's his role in the story and you shouldn't really hate a guy for doing his job. I mean to me, the reason why a lot of NS fans hate Sasuke is because of SS shippers, which is natural.

Nah, i like Sasuke and his kind of character. I'm just talking about he can't just be free so easily after all he has done. That's nonsense, right? Maybe Naruto can TNJ him, but it won't change village's view of him and it won't make his crimes less heavy.

Edited by theunburnt, 21 September 2014 - 02:11 AM.

[sindy]

[TheQueenB]

Here's the thing about Sasuke's character, though: While he's pulled some really nasty stuff and truly isn't to be trusted, how much of it is his fault? He was traumatized as a child and had no way to truly cope with what happened. His coping mechanism was turning to the path of darkness, which became a slippery slope for him, especially when he learned about the circumstances of his childhood. Of course he'd be angry and try to rectify it. He'd be an even bigger emotional mess after seeing everything go down. He's constantly been surrounded by chaos, with no opportunity to distance himself from everything that he's experienced and recover from it. Even with his change of heart, we can still see all the pain that he's been suffering underlying all his actions. Combined with his pragmatic attitude that the "means justify the ends," we see him commit questionable actions, which we shouldn't condone, but he still has his heart in the right place.

 

With that having been said, it would be cruel for him to be punished by the very system that pushed him over the edge. Yes, he needs to own up to what he's done and try to rectify it, but an extreme punishment, when they're the ones responsible, is totally unjust. While it's not on this scale, it's like punishing/blaming someone for having a handicap and expecting them to be able to operate without it, when it has been out of their hands, for whatever reason. The most important theme of this entire arc is changing the flawed Shinobi system, and Naruto and Sasuke, who are both victims, have to be the leaders who exemplify these flaws and what needs to be done in order to improve it. They have differing ideologies and ways of doing things, which is why their combined efforts will allow for a balanced and more effective way of accomplishing their goals, I think. 

Edited by TheQueenB, 21 September 2014 - 02:32 AM.

[Otaru]

Perhaps Saskue is protecting Garra? Given his current desert attire? 

 

The only way I can see Saskue willingly (if grudgingly) protecting anybody is if he will gain something out of it. 

 

Who knows, maybe Saskue simply started his own village and is just one Kage helping another. 

 

No I think Sasuke is in Konoha and Naruto left to tell something to someone. And I'm thinking about Gaara more and more.
But who knows. I may be completely wrong. LOL

Edited by Otaru, 21 September 2014 - 02:36 AM.

[Diadochi]

Nah, i like Sasuke and his kind of character. I'm just talking about he can't just be free so easily after all he has done. That's nonsense, right? Maybe Naruto can TNJ him, but it won't change village's view of him and it won't make his crimes less heavy.

No I get it. I don't want him to be tnj'ed either but it's obviously going to happen. If it was up to me, I wouldn't even think of redemption for Sasuke. Redemption takes years and at this point, a 'happy ending' for Sasuke would be too OOC for him. The way he is now, which is something like a bottom-less black hole (a force so strong, it consumes even light (Naruto symbolism)), he can never go back to the way he was before. He's been too contaminated by the shinobi world.

[TheQueenB]

 

 

Please understand that I'm making fun of this situation as best I can. Because Kakashi being the Hokage is ridiculous. And it's only done because Kishi needs to keep him relevant. The same bad writing that happened with Sasuke a while back is happening again.

 

 

I can understand the basis of your frustration, but with all due respect, I have to disagree. Kishi has been teasing Kakashi becoming Hokage in various ways, so it would only make sense for him to assume the title, if only for a little while. Good story-telling practice mandates resolving/addressing all things that you've introduced, both big and small. Kakashi has been placed in leadership positions and almost became Hokage quite a few times in part 2 alone, so it's natural that Kishi would wrap things up with him, before moving on to the biggest aspect of the story: Naruto's accession to the title. It's the idea behind Chekhov's gun: If you place a gun on a wall in the first act, you'd better fire it by the end of the third.

 

Another reason why Kakashi is relevant is that he's also another witness to how badly the Shinobi system can damage lives; he lost his father and other dears ones to it, not to mention that he's seen two of his precious students suffer, because of it. As a member of the older generation who's born witness to this more, he'd serve as an effective transition to the solutions that the next generation can offer. 

Edited by TheQueenB, 21 September 2014 - 02:52 AM.

[catsi563]

To answer the question An Antagonist in a story is supposed to provide conflict. whether that conflict is physical as in a battle, or social or mental as in clashing ideologies is subject to story and plot development.

 

Sasuke is an antagonist and has been since the beginning. Even in part 1 he was designed to provoke conflict with Naruto either over Sakura or through their rivalry by showing him up. thusly he was antagonistic by design even though allied to and a friend to naruto the main character.

[Atheck]

crimes for sasuke will be ignored since naruto has faith in him and now he is also the hero of the war.

It isn't just Naruto who might be glossing over the shadier parts of Sasuke's record, although his personal relationship to the new bringer of light and hope is definitely the main impetus. There's a certain quote that sticks out when looking at this issue.
 

The "Hero"

"It doesn't matter who.... Whoever it was, they're a hero that protected the shinobi world!"

None of the Kages understand how it was mostly Itachi's efforts, his technique, that ended up saving their lives when they were about to kill. Unfortunately, the only one who is still alive from that fight to reap the benefit of his toils is Sasuke. It's true that Itachi is one of few people that Sasuke feels any genuine emotional attachment to. He resented the fact that his brother's sacrifices went unnoticed, to the point that he associated their happiness with blissful, scornful complacency. But while Sasuke might try to earn Itachi the recognition his efforts deserve, I wouldn't put it past him to 'accidentally' skim over any details of the battle, just to paint himself in a more favourable light. Saving the Alliance from Kimimaro's spree (after holding out for so long like the badass he is) and the Kages from Perfect Susanoo's attack is a bargaining chip that he can hold over them to win some approval from the people.

[TheQueenB]

Okay, so here's another question with which I hope to pick everyone's minds: What do you think will be the fate of Team 7 after the war arc is entirely resolved? Kishi is bringing everything in full circle, including team 7. We have references to their first lesson from Kakashi, as well as his initial impression of them. It seems as if they're going to be moving on from this team formation after this, as it's as though nothing really remains for them to learn in this setting. (I've kind of done a post about this on Tumblr, too.) 

 

Do you guys think that Team 7 will be dissolved, such that everyone will be going after their own endeavors and will be rejoining in different context, or will they still be together? 

[Rekkaiisan]

They'll still be together, I'm pretty sure Kishi wants to wrap it up already.

[ButterBean]

Some Naruto the last fanarts for you to enjoy and to ease up the mood :)

:)

  

 

 

From google images ;)

[Hiraishin]

May be because that example does not have whiskers?

Kishi added whiskers in the volume version.

[LuckyChi7]

Just outta curiosity how big of a gap was there between the Road to Ninja teaser and the Road To Ninja Full trailer?

 

 

 

Reason I'm asking is because I get the feeling we'll be getting another trailer for The Last soon (maybe mid October, or early November).  

[Liu bie]

Kishi added whiskers in the volume version.

Interesting, so probably he forgot.

 

ust outta curiosity how big of a gap was there between the Road to Ninja teaser and the Road To Ninja Full trailer?

 

 

 

Reason I'm asking is because I get the feeling we'll be getting another trailer for The Last soon (maybe mid October, or early November).

 

My guess is that first they us all the sketches, then a proper trailer by end of October or in the beginning of November.

Edited by Liu bie, 21 September 2014 - 05:39 AM.

[ButterBean]

Do you think that this upcoming movie can top RtN? Rtn gross is 1,480,000,000 yen. Man, I hope they don't disappoint us in this movie. It makes no sense if they make a movie centered in NaruSaku and it earned a LOT and they just decided to make a movie centered about a different pairing. If this earned a lot then I guess they will stick on the same pairing. Honestly, NaruSaku is the only pairing that is canon for me (except Asuma and Kurenai of course).

 

Some google images again :)

Yellow and Pink

   

   

 Sakura will wait for Naruto to come home :)