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[TouKen4Life3g]

Yeah, I've seen that, but as I've read it's from 2009, right?
Things have changed since then and because of how things turned, I am sure NaruHina must be the most popular.
And why do I say fanservice?
Look at the last chapters.
ShikaTema references although initially Kishi said no such thing for Shikamaru, yet, he is starting to do it because there are fans out there that want ShikaTema.
And as I'm sure that NaruHina must be very popular now, I'm kinda afraid Kishi will fall under that.
In the end, he's a mangaka that makes money out of this. Romantical stuff sell. And weighting overall pairings, lately, I can assure you just by the fandom's reaction overall that NaruHina is more preferred.
One of the reasons I want NS to happen is because of the development and that heart-bumping of hers for Naruto and the fact that this would be a redemption for her character's hate.
People hate her too much already.
I feel like travelling to Japan to tell this to Kishi, lol.

I think you worried too much. A person who follows the fans is no longer that person's manga. He's going by his way and his way alone. As I said before, the least he can do is to provide fanservice but nothing that will forever change his story. You need to stick to yourself and stop being turmoil. Sorry if I sound sexist, but it's baffling that we only go by girls' feelings to be canon. Strangely enough, the only guy, Naruto, shows the only true love. Both girls already confessed yet one has no answer as the other one can either respond back or just ignore it completely. If so, girls' parts are done. Naruto needs to do his confession and honestly, he holds the most power out of these two. It seems like confession means end of the line. You either win or lose. That's it. Naruto hasn't done it so we will soon know.

Also, the poll could be old or new, but let's face it, it won't change that much for NH. What makes you think it would? The confession happened already. If these guys goes by anime, well then consider a bigger vote for NS instead. Have you been here where many users in 2ch have been saying that NS is a serious pairing because of Kishi. I can go on but my main point is take it easy ok.

Logical or not, it's coming off as pathetic. As you've stated, Karin spent more time with him, and that's where the problem comes to light. She spent more time with him, but the moment he pulled that kitten on her she moved on. But with Sakura? Now that's a different story. After 3 murder attempts she still loves the guy. It took 1 attempt on Karin's life to finally see that Sasuke is lower than garbage. At least Karin's got her damn head on straight. I guess this just shows that Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are stronger than Karin's feelings for Sasuke. That's the only conclusion we can come to. That's deep...in a sick way.

Yeah...well to be honest, I disagree with you. I made a post a long time ago and it's pretty long. Just ask yourself this at least then: why is Karin going back to Sasuke then? Shouldn't she be done with him? What purpose is to have Karin as an Uzumaki? Why Sasuke is shocked? Remember that chapter with Naruto and Sasuke in Kage Summit Arc. Why have one panel with her when the whole chapter before that didn't have her in the first place? What is her current state of mind? Why Kishi held her back before meeting Sasuke? I know this place isn't the right place to talk about her, but perhaps when it's connected to NS since this is NS thread.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 11 December 2012 - 01:51 AM.

[luffyq1]

Meh. She gave up on saving Sasuke, tried to kill him, and now her view of him is completely negative. Some people may see that as her having unconditional, irreplacable love; I see it as development of her feelings. She started out crazy over Sasuke, and having strong dislike towards Naruto. Right now, it's sort of at an awkward middle, in a way. She no longer see's Sasuke in a good light, and now her view of Naruto is, or was, teetering on romantic.

And after all that she still loves Sasuke. You see how awful that is? That kind of development is not only tiring, but also annoying. It's tiring because Kishi has given this damn girl so many opportunities to stop loving this guy, yet her love remains strong even though it's currently viewed in a negative light. It's annoying because she refuses to stop viewing Sasuke as the guy she loves even though Sasuke has clearly shown to not have any romantic feelings for her at all.

It's like continuously beating a dog even though it's already dead.

[Chucky-kun]

Logical or not, it's coming off as pathetic. As you've stated, Karin spent more time with him, and that's where the problem comes to light. She spent more time with him, but the moment he pulled that kitten on her she moved on. But with Sakura? Now that's a different story. After 3 murder attempts she still loves the guy. It took 1 attempt on Karin's life to finally see that Sasuke is lower than garbage. At least Karin's got her damn head on straight. I guess this just shows that Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are stronger than Karin's feelings for Sasuke. That's the only conclusion we can come to. That's deep...in a sick way.

Its kinda hard to kill the guy that you spent three years training for to bring back. Its hard to kill the guy who is also someone else's goal and when you love that someone else, and that someone else could potentially hate you for the rest of his life if you went through with it, then yeah, its kinda hard.

[Chatte]

I think you worried too much. A person who follows the fans is no longer that person's manga. He's going by his way and his way alone. As I said before, the least he can do is to provide fanservice but nothing that will forever change his story. You need to stick to yourself and stop being turmoil. Sorry if I sound sexist, but it's baffling that we only go by girls' feelings to be canon. Strangely enough, the only guy, Naruto, shows the only true love. Both girls already confessed yet one has no answer as the other one can either respond back or just ignore it completely. If so, girls' parts are done. Naruto needs to do his confession and honestly, he holds the most power out of these two. It seems like confession means end of the line. You either win or lose. That's it. Naruto hasn't done it so we will soon know.

Also, the poll could be old or new, but let's face it, it won't change that much for NH. What makes you think it would? The confession happened already. If these guys goes by anime, well then consider a bigger vote for NS instead. Have you been here where many users in 2ch have been saying that NS is a serious pairing because of Kishi. I can go on but my main point is take it easy ok.

Well, I guess you're right. I do worry too much and see it from one side.
It's just that it's kinda hard to live these moments, heh.
Especially with the crazy NH fans out there.

[luffyq1]

Yeah...well to be honest, I disagree with you. I made a post a long time ago and it's pretty long. Just ask yourself this at least then: why is Karin going back to Sasuke then? Shouldn't she be done with him? What purpose is to have Karin as an Uzumaki? Why Sasuke is shocked? Remember that chapter with Naruto and Sasuke in Kage Summit Arc. Why have one panel with her when the whole chapter before that didn't have her in the first place? What is her current state of mind? Why Kishi held her back before meeting Sasuke? I know this place isn't the right place to talk about her, but perhaps when it's connected to NS since this is NS thread.

Why is Karin going back to Sasuke then? It has not been stated by Karin that she is going back to Sasuke. She has no reason to. She said she was done. Are you arguing against Karin?

What purpose is Karin being confirmed as an Uzumaki? Who knows, there are thories everywhere, not just pointing to SasuKarin development.

Sasuke was shocked? Didn't look like it to me.

Pretty much all the rest of your empty questions regards to SasuKarin. She said she's done with him, why can't you?

Its kinda hard to kill the guy that you spent three years training for to bring back. Its hard to kill the guy who is also someone else's goal and when you love that someone else, and that someone else could potentially hate you for the rest of his life if you went through with it, then yeah, its kinda hard.

Naruto wants to bring Sasuke out of the darkness not only for himself, but also for Sasuke and so that team 7 can be happy again. Being specifically for Sakura has vanished, as shown through the summit. Your post doesn't really matter anymore because it has been dealt with during the summit.

Sakura's no longer interfering with Sasuke's redemption, and Itachi leaves Sasuke to Naruto. Sakura is just going to have to faith in Naruto to bring Sasuke back to his senses.

Edited by luffyq1, 11 December 2012 - 02:46 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Why is Karin going back to Sasuke then? It has not been stated by Karin that she is going back to Sasuke. She has no reason to. She said she was done. Are you arguing against Karin?

What purpose is Karin being confirmed as an Uzumaki? Who knows, there are thories everywhere, not just pointing to SasuKarin development.

Sasuke was shocked? Didn't look like it to me.

Pretty much all the rest of your empty questions regards to SasuKarin. She said she's done with him, why can't you?

Because the manga has not addressed this yet. That's why. To be fair, one of us could be right. You can't say you're right and I can't say I'm right until further notice. This is one moment that I would wait for the manga. That said the point of Karin being an Uzumaki doesn't mean SasuKarin automatically canon, but it does give the idea of her returning to him. What good that will do if she's an Uzumaki and used for nothing. Why show us that she's escaping from jail? Remember, Team Taka is coming back together. I explained this a long time ago, but again, not the right place. Although, she could be leaving but perhaps bump into Sasuke unintentionally. I am not convinced until manga let me know. I mean look how wrong we were about Sakura not loving Sasuke. This is a way to bring back the team so maybe, just maybe that we will have team Sasuke vs. team Naruto. Take it what you believe.

[CloudMountainJuror]

Oh boy, on the SasuKarin topic again, are we?



Expression on his face. That is all. GG.

Edited by zacrathedemon5, 11 December 2012 - 03:12 AM.

[narulsaku]

so why are we talking about sasukarin. well i dont think that it will happen. i haven seen her for almost 200+ chapters. i think kisi doesnt want to go back to her. i didnt even understand why he brought her into the story just to support sasuke though she was a parallal to small sakura(in part 1)

[luffyq1]

Because the manga has not addressed this yet. That's why. To be fair, one of us could be right. You can't say you're right and I can't say I'm right until further notice. This is one moment that I would wait for the manga. That said the point of Karin being an Uzumaki doesn't mean SasuKarin automatically canon, but it does give the idea of her returning to him. What good that will do if she's an Uzumaki and used for nothing. Why show us that she's escaping from jail? Remember, Team Taka is coming back together. I explained this a long time ago, but again, not the right place. Although, she could be leaving but perhaps bump into Sasuke unintentionally. I am not convinced until manga let me know. I mean look how wrong we were about Sakura not loving Sasuke. This is a way to bring back the team so maybe, just maybe that we will have team Sasuke vs. team Naruto. Take it what you believe.

In my previous post you presented questions based on the manga, while i presented you answers based on the manga. The idea of Karin returning to Sasuke is so pointless, and Karin is smarter than that. I'm sure that idea is mostly supported by the SasuKarin fandom, which is sad because if you're a fan of Karin then you would want better for her, as i do since I'm kind of a Karin fan. Finding out she's an Uzumaki and doing nothing about it?! OMG, something like that could seriously hurt the plot! Not really. Remember those awesome chakra blades for Naruto to utilize? I don't either lol. Those who actually thought Sakura didn't love Sasuke anymore are fools. Doesn't look like it's leading to team Sasuke vs. team Naruto at all. In fact, it looks like it's leading to just Naruto vs Sasuke.

Edited by luffyq1, 11 December 2012 - 03:32 AM.

[Don-kun]

Oh boy, on the SasuKarin topic again, are we?



Expression on his face. That is all. GG.

Best post so far.

I try not to mess with SasuKarin, but the guy did stab her to death and then tried to finish her off.

[Chucky-kun]

Karin's going to have some role to play in the future that coincides with her being an Uzumaki.

[redragon88]

In my previous post you presented questions based on the manga, while i presented you answers based on the manga. The idea of Karin returning to Sasuke is so pointless, and Karin is smarter than that. I'm sure that idea is mostly supported by the SasuKarin fandom, which is sad because if you're a fan of Karin then you would want better for her, as i do since I'm kind of a Karin fan. Finding out she's an Uzumaki and doing nothing about it?! OMG, something like that could seriously hurt the plot! Not really. Those who actually thought Sakura didn't love Sasuke anymore are fools. Doesn't look like it's leading to team Sasuke vs. team Naruto at all. In fact, it looks like it's leading to just Naruto vs Sasuke.

Well, Karin has been known as a girl that doesn't like to take crap from anyone, not even Sasuke (I guess that's why I like her). So maybe if she reunites with Sasuke for whatever random reason she'll hold a grudge against him for what he did.

[luffyq1]

Oh boy, on the SasuKarin topic again, are we?



Expression on his face. That is all. GG.

Yeah, she's definitely going back to Sasuke.

Well, Karin has been known as a girl that doesn't like to take crap from anyone, not even Sasuke (I guess that's why I like her). So maybe if she reunites with Sasuke for whatever random reason she'll hold a grudge against him for what he did.

True. But she said she's done with Sasuke. When she said that she gave off the impression of being tired, and she has every right to be.

[TouKen4Life3g]

In my previous post you presented questions based on the manga, while i presented you answers based on the manga. The idea of Karin returning to Sasuke is so pointless, and Karin is smarter than that. I'm sure that idea is mostly supported by the SasuKarin fandom, which is sad because if you're a fan of Karin then you would want better for her, as i do since I'm kind of a Karin fan. Finding out she's an Uzumaki and doing nothing about it?! OMG, something like that could seriously hurt the plot! Not really. Remember those awesome chakra blades for Naruto to utilize? I don't either lol. Those who actually thought Sakura didn't love Sasuke anymore are fools. Doesn't look like it's leading to team Sasuke vs. team Naruto at all. In fact, it looks like it's leading to just Naruto vs Sasuke.

Well, Karin has been known as a girl that doesn't like to take crap from anyone, not even Sasuke (I guess that's why I like her). So maybe if she reunites with Sasuke for whatever random reason she'll hold a grudge against him for what he did.

Pretty much there. Just have to wait and see. But whatever, I believe something will happen and most likely, none of us might not expect it. You sure accept Sakura like ok, so why not others? I didn't even know Ino still holds her feelings for Sasuke. We could be wrong once, we could be wrong again. Somehow, I feel like we are the weakest fandom. We have one thing that's misleading and we come down fast. I know it's good to be unbiased on all forms, but some of you like to see negative as the major factor. Today's world, we look negative as the major factor. We should be seeing both, if not, positive only. Guess that's why depression happens so fast. This is not only about pairing, this is reality.

The point is that even though there's nothing yet, what makes you think there will never be one. To be honest, I'm disappointed at some of you who lost majority of hope in this pairing. So much for sinking down with the ship.

[luffyq1]

I'm sorry if I'm coming off as someone who's lost hope for this ship. It's just that I'm looking at this from all other standpoints, not just a NS standpoint. And really, this is just plain degrading. Logical, tension builder, or whatever term you wanna use, it doesn't sit well for Sakura's character to still be in love with Sasuke. I don't hate Sakura, but i understand why others do for this reason. If nearly taking her life away 3 times doesn't stop her from loving Sasuke, then what will? And please don't say bringing back Sasuke will, that promise has been lifted, folks.

Edited by luffyq1, 11 December 2012 - 04:09 AM.

[Qia]

The thing with Karin is that...I can't see her trying to run into Sasuke's arms immediately after what he did to her. But is she really over him? That's pretty still debatable. She DID realize in that moment that something was off and that Sasuke wasn't the same Sasuke she knew. It was only one moment though. That doesn't mean she's totally given up on him. Correct me if I'm wrong, but she even sensed that his chakra was suddenly different. Which means that he wasn't like that before. So why should she so suddenly give up on him "snapping back to reality". I can see her trying to meet up with the rest of Taka first, however.

Now with Sakura...the thing is, she doesn't know this changed Sasuke, even before he went, for the lack of a better word, cray cray (crazy...not himself XD).

Edited by Qia, 11 December 2012 - 04:08 AM.

[Don-kun]

When I see a NS fan trying to make an argument for SasuKarin, all I can see is a heavy dose of side shipping since Karin got the worst part of Sasuke madness since he physically hurt her and stabbed her close to the heart, and later was ready to Finnish her off.
Karin never try to hurt Sasuke, it never crossed her mind, she was far more loyal to Sasuke and her faith never needed to be restore by someone else, with all that Sasuke still try to kill her.

The most I normally said against SasuSaku is that Kishi has shown us that Karin still harbor feelings for Sasuke and was presented in a more stronger way, since she was unable to step on his picture, while Sakura for the 1st time start picturing Sasuke a negative way.
If SS fans want to run their mouth about Sakura feelings in 540 means that SS is inevitable then 574 most mean that SK is inevitable, since both of them still like him and both relations are very negative.
In the end the most I can say about the two girls is that Karin has self respect and Sakura does not have any self respect.

SS is very negative and SK is also very negative, trying to justify SK is no different from what NH side shippers try with SS.

Edited by Don-kun, 11 December 2012 - 04:19 AM.

[luffyq1]

I find it laughable that people oppose SS for various reasons, but on the other hand support SK. Seriously? Does anyone see how hypocritical that is? I've seen this sideshipping on numerous sites.

Sasuke deserves to be alone.

Edited by luffyq1, 11 December 2012 - 04:23 AM.

[narulsaku]

I find it laughable that people oppose SS for various reasons, but on the other hand support SK. Seriously? Does anyone see how hypocritical that is? I've seen this sideshipping on numerous sites.

well thats common . people who support ns they also ship sasuhina, sasukarin and people who support nh they ship ss and sasukarin , and also ss supports nh thats like enemy of enemy is our friend.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I'm sorry if I'm coming off as someone who's lost hope for this ship. It's just that I'm looking at this from all other standpoints, not just a NS standpoint. And really, this is just plain degrading. Logical, tension builder, or whatever term you wanna use, it doesn't sit well for Sakura's character to still be in love with Sasuke. I don't hate Sakura, but i understand why others do for this reason. If nearly taking her life away 3 times doesn't stop her from loving Sasuke, then what will? And please don't say bringing back Sasuke will, that promise is long gone, folks.

Once more, the promise is not over. That said that's not the reason why she has those feelings. It's like I said before. Kage Summit Arc was the first to actually put her on the spotlight of her feelings. It was a test and yeah, it was negative. After that arc, we got the lover nin and it was appropriate timing to finally tell her without being direct that if she likes someone, that person must be great. Remember how we thought she no longer loves Sasuke back in beginning of part 2. Yeah, what I'm saying is that the love drama is back because we are at the near end and throughout part 2, we had nothing but Naruto and Sakura developing together. Now, we got a roadblock: Sasuke. It's like the usual love drama. You get a couple getting along so well, but then, one of them old crush returns and things get complicated. That's what happened.

I understand how you feel. Take it how you see it but honestly, even we go by all point of view, NS has always been the strongest out of all them. You got Sakura/Sasuke who one is a bad guy, love confession failed, and he has no thought of her individually whatsoever. You got Naruto/Hinata who one will never change, both has very development, and hardly get real pairing developments. Then you got Naruto/Sakura who one can change a person, never gives up, and forever have the same feelings only to mature them, while the other one has deep bond, feels happy, cares a lot, and potentially can be his lover. I'm not being biased but that's how it is. If Naruto changes, he's not Naruto. That's the fact that I'll stick by to the end. Take it or leave it.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 11 December 2012 - 04:30 AM.