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[Tsuki Hoshino]

You can go to the naruhina forums with that. I won't give up.

Guy-sensei could only ever dream of matching your youth and spirit!

[Liu bie]

You can go to the naruhina forums with that. I won't give up.

http://www.saiyanisl...ack-music-list/

Soundtrack list.

"My sunshine"
"NARUTO and HINATA"
"After story"

[SakuraCherry]

I just can't believe.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

I just can't believe.

Believe that kishi stopped writing at chapter 698 and left us with a terrible cliff hanger for all eternity? that's okay, you'll come to terms with it soon enough

[luffyq1]

 

HEY, DORKS!

 

 

Well, this is my own version of the theories that some people are giving. I do know that this could end not being the case, so, well, unlike most of you I have reasons to believe this have a certain percentage to be true. Once again, maybe it’s not the case, but that doesn’t dismiss my reasons, because they are enough to suspect.

I believe most of you have already surrendered. I don’t want to give you false hopes if turns to be false, so you are reading this by your own will. Anyway, if you are in total denial and have already accepted NH/SS is the end game, life sucks, you hate Sakura, Naruto, the fly right there, the sound of people laughing, then, don’t even bother to read this or try to reply at this, because I don’t want to hear you.

In any case, there I go.

For all we know, the OOC-ness began with Sakura asking Sasuke to go with her. Some of you may think that it bagan with her “ignoring Naruto” when she finds them, but I will half disagree. She healed both of them, it’s just that Sasuke needed to say sorry.

 

 

This is Sakura IN character. She loves him, she wanted to save him, but she’s still resentful about it. She first doesn’t want to hear him, he says sorry anyway and she breaks and say “You’d better damn well be”.

However, the nightmare begins when Sasuke decides to go and she ask to go with him. That’s not the Sakura we know. Even some of the SS fans that “loves” Sakura—and I say ‘”loves” because how you can ship her with someone that hurts her in that way? – noticed that. I mean, they defended to the end that Sakura is more mature now, that she’s not the fangirl of before, and, because that, their love/relationship would be good once Sasuke is redeemed. Guess what, she’s practically a single-mother in the last chapter. But we are speaking about 699 first, so, the thing here is that Sakura would never let the village when they need her the most along with Tsunade. Isn’t Sakura supposed to know what the priorities are? I mean, just take a look at Sakura’s confession. After they knew what Sasuke was doing, Naruto’s life in danger and her village itself, she made a decision. If she could do it or not has nothing to do with it, because she already knew what comes first. They know too, at least, about NS friendship. Some of them shipped Narusaku as BROTP. But that friendship is also ruined in those few panels. Because, right away Sasuke is in the village, Sakura is up to him. What is that? Did she just used Naruto to get Sasuke? That’s not the Sakura we all know. And contradicts the manga itself. Sakura haters may be happy because their prejudices came “true”, but for the people that understood Sakura’s character knows that she’s not THAT.

Naruto probably didn’t confess because he heard what Sakura said. And for people saying Sasuke was OOC, yes it can be, but we didn’t know a Sasuke without hate, despair and feelings of void inside him. Just because you don’t like a character or believe they are 100% jerks doesn’t mean they are. Take a look at how Madara was when with Hashirama created the leaf.

Well, then 700 came out. And everything was exactly when it wasn’t supposed to be if we follow the manga’s time line.

Here is when my theory begins:

Some of you may already read Ramenanmitsu’s theory and other ones with the same feeling. Anyway, this is my variation.

Yes. Almost we all are up to the IT theory and the rest think that

• Or the “real” chapter didn’t come out, hence what we read is trolling for all the piracy they are victim of. But I really doubt this, since isn’t it too much to leak even colour pages? Before of what we have read—I mean, the scans—we’ve seen pics of the book itself (the pages of the book*). Either way, didn’t Evil tell us spoilers that came to be true? She has contacts inside, doesn’t she? And, how do you think the ones who translate the chapter gets…the chapters?
• Or that it’s over but Kishimoto feelt obligated for someone else. Since I know nothing about how these things work, I recommend you to read this http://www.narusaku....e=6#entry650084 . Reply #2.

That’s why I think a variation of Infinite Tsukuyomi can explain almost everything. And I mean almost everything because 699 is practically not remediable—even I have some ideas about how fix that but it’s highly less possible than anything—but we still can get a better ending than this one.

Okay. We have now a variation of the IT. I don’t believe it’s actually the IT we know.

The reason I believe it’s…well, because for the same IT you will need a Sharingan and a Rinnegan (?) and, for we know, Sasuke is not involved with the bad guys this time. Also, because it seems more to be “another world” than only Hinata’s perspective. Why? Because then Bolt wouldn’t be problematic or Naruto so busy. They will have had the perfect life. And because it also involves other people’s lives/feelings as not satisfied. If it were just Hinata’s IT, then we probably would have seen all from Hinata’s perspective. As if we’re her, not things she’s not interested about or she doesn’t know.

Kishimoto created a different version of the IT for RTN, why can’t do the same for this movie? I mean, in the manga says that Naruto have never talk with Hinata, but in the movie there is a flashback, so who knows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

Anyway, I could be wrong. There are things that can indicate that it is, indeed, Hinata’s IT dream. Her life along Naruto not being 100% perfect with Naruto, as should be if we are talking about IT, can be her conscience about Naruto not loving her, etc. Any way it can’t explain how other people’s feelings were showed too. Even people she doesn’t know about. I mean… the cat girl with Kiba? ¯\_(⊙︿⊙)_/¯

I believe is something more like RTN IT version but where they aren’t fully aware of it. Imagine the people just waking up in that world, singly confused, but with that world’s memories, so they aren’t really aware it’s an IT. An Infinite Tsukuyomi where all people’s desires combine and creates a “new world”. Have you seen Bruce Almighty? What happened to Bruce when he tried to solve everyone’s problems? A mess, chaos and more dissatisfaction. One’s desire can block something somewhere and it becomes a cycle that never ends.

One of the leaked designs of the other day contain Hinata with a dress.

She’s going to be kidnapped, right? And thanks to this translation

http://www.narusaku....e=6#entry650991

I can say that Toneri is apparently interested in Hinata more than anything. And this dress indicates a twisted wedding or part of a ritual. Typical cliché, if you ask me. She will be probably controlled in some way.  And maybe…the rescue team fails? And this is how the variation of the IT begins. At the end, this will be solved, because people will realize they are not happy, they really want something else, etc.

Why do I suspect that? Because of some elements, such as Sasusaku’s daughter looking like Karin or Naruhina’s kids with a cherry blossom hair. I mean, how even???

 

At the end, this could be about Hinata finally moving on.

So, how can we fix then the final chapter? Releasing another one after the movie is out. Someone here in H&E told me that, months ago, he read somewhere that for the ones who see the movie it will be a new chapter. Isn’t going to be an early release for the movie? For some “lucky” ones the tickets will be raffled? Either way the rumor about a new chapter after the early movie release may be false, but who knows? Maybe there will actually be one more chapter for all of us after the movie in December. For what I remember, Kishimoto’s assistant said that he drew along with Kishimoto and someone else (I believe?) 32 pages for the final chapter. But wasn’t it 21? I mean, for chapter 700. Either way, if I’m wrong in this last one it doesn’t affect anything I’ve said.

Now, you may be thinking why Kishimoto would do something like this?

Because it’s his big ending and he’s… a bit dramatic, don’t you think? He may have exaggerate in some things or drag the resolution of the romance sub-plot to the end. But you really think he’s stupid enough to poop in his own work which cost 15 years and time with his family? He has invested too much for just ruining everything.

The movie is being worked since almost…two years, isn’t it? What have we get in that time? From the interview about Sakura’s confession, Minato’s comment, CPR, SK and NS mirrored, more Hinata’s literally falling when she tried to be the person at Naruto’s side, more negative moments to add to Sasusaku’s relationship.

I mean, if we were “trolled” because the manga was up to be interpreted as a Narusaku ending, work of 15 years. Why can’t he troll NH/SS making them believe they are canon? How crazy is really that? Hinata’s feelings need a closure, after all and she’s a popular character, so… since he wasn’t able to do that in the manga, he decided to make a movie.

If it weren’t like that, he wouldn’t add to much positive moments for NS in the time he was making the movie. He would have foreshadowed NH and SS, but he didn’t. He could have make Hinata met Minato, but he didn’t. He could have make Hinata not fail to reach Naruto, but he didn’t. He could have make Sakura be with Sasuke instead of Karin, but he didn’t. He could have make Sasuke be more aware of Sakura’s life in danger, but he didn’t. Two years making the movie and drawing the manga and the end doesn’t match at all. That’s why I believe this is not the end.

The only thing I can’t really justify is 699. That chapter has Sakura blushing, with that destroys NS friendship, Sakura’s final development and kind of foreshadowed the possibility of him falling for her in a future…and she accepting him. Which is why he probably didn’t confess, which is why he went to Hinata (I’m not saying he doesn’t love her if this is the case, but that his feelings aren’t 100% positive for the relationship), which is why he doesn’t eat from Hinata’s bento and instead eats instant ramen and keeps himself busy* since he bottled up his feelings for Sakura.

(*This is an interpretation for the following reason right there.)

And so on, and so on.

I said early that I have an explanation for 699 but I also said that it was the less likely of all. And is that… for the sake of preparing people to 700, he drew that Sasusaku scene and Hinata alongside Naruto in Neji’s funeral. Either way, is too much, and what if after the movie he releases two chapters? One replacing 699, more like some scenes and 700, obviously. But as I said, I hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiighly doubt this, so we are doomed about 699 anyway.

 

Well, those are my thoughts. I hope it was well explained.

 

If it turns not to be like this, then, indeed, Kishi has ruined his own manga breaking the continuity. And I'll be done forever and ever. 

#Bye.

 

 

when reading this i was like:

 

 

after i finished reading it:

 

Edited by luffyq1, 08 November 2014 - 08:10 PM.

[Raiton]

please guys, don't be in denial forever. There's no trolling or genjutsu in the finale. It's all serious. And the movie will be just a path towards NH's being canon. I know that it hurts, but I accepted it and moved on. Stop with theories. IT'S OVER.

[Michi]

YES!

 

I WAS WATING FOR THIS TO BE POSTED!

 

LOLOLOL never gets old.

[Swagkura]

Why are sloths cute but creepy at the same time? This bothers me greatly...

[Qia]

Oh god...it looks so creepy. 

[Gaara's hair]

Oh god...it looks so creepy. 

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Lol I never imagined that gif would be such a riot here the first time I posted it... It truly has become the spirit gif of the NS fandom.

[Lady Lys]

Going to a NH forum???

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Going to a NH forum???

NOOOOOOOOOO don't you know forbidding only makes us want to do it more!?

[Narufan85]

How did we get to page 309 and we just NOW are getting a gif from The Wire?

[Lady Lys]

NOOOOOOOOOO don't you know forbidding only makes us want to do it more!?

I reiterate. 

And I might also add (as one of my personal idols would say)

[NSmakessense]

LOL The more I think and read about this ending the more I find it stupid and unbelievable. Naruto never gave us the answer to breaking the cycle of hatred, at very least Madara and Obito were actually aiming for real peace and breaking the cycle of hatred, and what Kishi does? Concentrates all the cycle of hatred in one person (Indra) and by having Naruto defeat his "vessel" aka Sasuke, everybody is free of hate, everybody is free of this cycle of hate   Really? Because clearly no other person does evil deeds, let's all balme it on a guy who died centuries ago... Is this why Nagato, Jiraiya, Obito and Minato died, for this loser (Naruto) who didn't break kitten?

 

Honestly Madara/Obito should have accomplished the IT permanently, Naruto saying it was all a lie and stuff but doesn't offer any other valid solution. Good job, the theme of peace has been going on about since Pain appeared, and no message to us, just some vague: "I'll break the cycle of hatred". Wow   good for you dude how about showing how it's done. C'mon don't make your MC say stuff if you don't know how to handle it. Realistically speaking it was impossible to break that cycle, because there's more than one, what's possible is to avoid some of them to start and break a few old ones. He had the chance for Naruto to realize that and have him try to show it to the world, but we get nothing more than a: "Your peace is a lie, mine is better just because I say so."   Naruto, honestly, kitten you, you had the balls, but not anymore...

 

Even Sasuke and Pain offered better solutions than Naruto, they were temporary, but better. Why? Because at least they had a solution... Naruto only had to show his ways through compassion and understanding, basically showing the example and make him and others understand that it was not possible to break the cycle of hatred but it was possible to mitigate it. Kishi should have focused and explained this message after the outcome of the war, showing us how Naruto and the other nations handled a "normal" peace but we just got bromance... In the end, this temporary peace they achieved was because Obito declared war to the 5 nations   give it a few more decades and we'll see how they're doing... I'm not saying there weren't glimpses of Naruto doing this, because they were, but he did it indirectly and achieved an utopical peace out of nowhere. The real problem with this asspull of an utopical peace, is that now there's no meaning to becoming a Kage, because he achieved that peace. What a way to kitten on your character's initial dream, remember: "I'll become Hokage"

 

Ah... now I hate this ending even more

[NSmakessense]

Is there a love triangle in FT, I mean Natsu, Lucy and another character?

Lissana, but she's no real threat imo.

[deviouslyChaotic]

You know what really pisses me off? The whole manga's theme is about BONDS. More specifically, bonds formed with family and friends--not necessarily bonds pertaining to romance. This theme is centered almost completely around team 7 and their own respective bonds with each other, as well as other friends, teachers, and family in the story.

 

The main bond focus has always been team 7. The entire story was centered around that bond and progressed because of it. The story emphasized the pain of such a bond breaking and withering over time, and the super-objective in the story was to replenish and strengthen this bond in order to not only heal it (and the people associated with it) per se, but to also make it stronger and more mutual and reciprocated. Bringing Sasuke back was the only way to start healing the bonds between the team as respective teammates and comrades. Healing and strengthening the bond was the only way to achieve true happiness and complete closure for everyone involved in the team. So in knowing this, you'd think that there would've been some significant and heart-warming team 7 moments in the last chapter of the series that was all about team 7 and the bonds formed within said team as a collective group. But nope. No interaction between them as a team--as a group of friends at ALL. Yes, Naruto and Sasuke had significant moments in 699. And Sasuke and Sakura shared a kitten moment. But what about them as a team? ALL interacting together. Like family and old friends. Instead, all of the interaction is focused and centered exclusively around Sasuke rather than the interaction being centered around the team as a whole.

That's why I'm so MAD. In the epilogue, we do not get to see the team bonding like old times or even interacting together as a whole in the slightest. We don't even get any evidence (whether implicitly stated or not) that all of them remained extremely good friends, all supporting one another. Instead, what do we get? We get Naruto bonding/interacting with Sasuke in 699. Then Sakura interacting with Sasuke in 699. And that's it. We don't get anything more than that concerning team 7. Instead, in the epilogue, panel space is wasted showing everyone paired up, along with their irrelevant children. Panel space is wasted by focusing on Bolt and Sarada in an attempt to set-up part 3 when INSTEAD, the EPILOGUE should be focused on tying up all the loose ends. Panel space is used showing the team as a separated being, all in their own individual lives (and individual panels, mind you). Almost like all of them went their own separate ways. They are shown separately. Unbounded to each other. It gives off the impression that they are disconnected in a way. They are no longer whole or complete as a team or group. It's an utter mess. Instead of Kishi focusing on bonds centered on friendship and companionship (a crucial and main theme to the story in its entirety), we get Kishi focusing on the weak and under-developed bonds centered on romance instead (which were not NEARLY as important as the theme centered around friendship and supportive comrades was).

Everything the story stood for is tossed out the window COMPLETELY. You'd THINK Kishi would show team 7 together at least in the same panel in the epilogue, but he DOESN'T. Hell, he doesn't even show the poorly though-out "canon" ships together in the same panel. This ending is such a joke I cannot stand it. The whole purpose of bringing Sasuke back was to reform, refine, and renew the bonds involved with team 7, but we don't even get any complete closure on that. Or anything, really. Never, ever would I have imagined the ending of Naruto would turn out so poorly. Kishi has always had some poor writing at times, but I NEVER thought it would ever be THIS BAD. This ending is the epitome of failure in every sense of the word. And it's not just because of NS not becoming canon, either.

 

Oh, and one more thing: before anyone tries to tell me that'll we see team 7 interaction/bonding in the movie, let me just start by saying that that's kitten. The manga was so heavily influenced by team 7 as a whole and so entirely centered around it that closure should've been given in the MANGA, which started it all to begin with! Team 7 was SO IMPORTANT throughout the entire course of the manga--the entire 15 years--that time and panel space should've and needed to be devoted to giving complete closure and satisfying interaction between Naruto, Sakura, Sasuke, and even Kakashi as teammates. I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO SEE A MOVIE, NOR SHOULD ANY JAPANESE FAN NEED TO WASTE MONEY ON A MOVIE, TO SEE THINGS THAT SHOULD'VE BEEN ENTIRELY RESOLVED IN THE MANGA--THE ORIGINAL WORK.

[Fenris]

So... utter crap, then.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

[quote name="Lady Lys" post="651703" timestamp="1415478037"]I reiterate. 
And I might also add (as one of my personal idols would say)
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Guuuuuhhh - resists urge to be defiant just to be defiant-

WAIT! I'm a chuunin now...>:[ Iruka better take me out for ramen or I'll have him fired for favoritism...nope not crazy at all :zaru:

... I broked it again

Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 08 November 2014 - 08:33 PM.