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[TouKen4Life3g]

For the record, I don't think the promise is gone or anything. You could say this is impending. Actually, I think the promise is still on. Here's why. Naruto didn't end the promise. Sakura wants to end it, but Naruto already thought that she's lying. Once Sai confirms it, the whole Sasuke talk back then is completely erased. Also, you got to remember how Naruto said it. He basically said that even though if the promise is out of question, he will still save Sasuke. He didn't say it's over. In other words, whether there's a promise, a prize, or anything, it won't change the fact that Naruto is going to save Sasuke. That's why it failed because Sakura could end the promise if she truly means it, but Naruto will still put his life in danger. So yeah, that's why the next option is to "erase Sasuke." Now, Naruto already delete the whole Sasuke talk since she was lying. People must have missed this.

[luffyq1]

@luffyq1 -> Do you really think that scene was to show that she loves sasuke?
it had implications it made her rethink her feelings for him, saying that she still loves sasuke is not a valid statement now, we have to see what is the resolution that she got, if kishi shows one more time that she loves sasuke, therefore i do not see NS as canon.
For NS to be canon depends of her resolution.
if even that guy could not made her think about her "Love" it will remain as that.

Chapter 540 was truly a pathetic day for both the NS & SS fandom. Different interpretations from both fandom to comfort themselves. I took the chapter at face vaule and looked underneath the underneath. While she still loves Sasuke, she's not happy about it because he's not a great guy. That's why she was sad because he really isn't a great guy. But it still doesn't change the fact she views him in a romantic light, not Naruto. She currently loves Sasuke.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Chapter 540 was truly a pathetic day for both the NS & SS fandom. Different interpretations from both fandom to comfort themselves. I took the chapter at face vaule and looked underneath the underneath. While she still loves Sasuke, she's not happy about it because he's not a great guy. That's why she was sad because he really isn't a great guy. But it still doesn't change the fact she views him in a romantic light, not Naruto. She currently loves Sasuke.

While she still loves Sasuke, she's not happy about it because he's not a great guy.
Contradiction.
if she's not happy she will come to a decision, it leads to a decision.
I know that she loves sasuke but it show another thing beyond, what you expressed "she's not happy about it, he's not a great guy".
She will simple leave it as be after thinking, after she stopped to think.
she will come to a decision continue loving him or not.

this is the resolution i'm talking about, she will continue loving him despite of him being a bad guy?
this do not confort me but it leads to a check-mate scene, at the same time NH reached too at a check-mate decision, hinata will stop following naruto and will hold his hand in other words she will confront naruto.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 10 December 2012 - 11:31 PM.

[PhenixElite]

Agreed. But she still loves Sasuke. Kishi is being a bad writter by still showing Sakura loves Sasuke.

1. Its not true that naruto isnt trying to bring back sasuke because of that promise anymore. He of corse wants to bring him back, so that he cant fall any deeper but the promise is still also important to him, remember its a lifelong promise.

2. Sakuras feelings for naruto are also shown as love with the only difference that she hasnt recognized it. Its shown very often by third parties like sai or yamato.

3.i dont have a problem with kishi showing sakura still having feelings for sasuke, since it makes the story more dramatic abd exciting. I also dont think hes a bad writer because of that because thats just the nornal flow of the story and as far as it developed i still find it excitig. Would you still be that intrested in NS if there would be nothing else stading in the way anymore that could bring some more romantic develolment for naruto and sakura? So for me as long as hes not making Ns or Nh canon in the end i dont see him as a bad writer.

@NaruSaku4life3g: Great post!

Edited by PhenixElite, 10 December 2012 - 11:32 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Chapter 540 was truly a pathetic day for both the NS & SS fandom. Different interpretations from both fandom to comfort themselves. I took the chapter at face vaule and looked underneath the underneath. While she still loves Sasuke, she's not happy about it because he's not a great guy. That's why she was sad because he really isn't a great guy. But it still doesn't change the fact she views him in a romantic light, not Naruto. She currently loves Sasuke.

Yeah, but the point is that she is not happy about it. I am already aware that she doesn't see Naruto in that light yet, but her development has been maxed out in terms of friendship. Only she can open the romance relationship door. If she becomes confuse of her feelings, it's all over. Naruto still have a lot of time with her before going to the final climax. Also, there will be more talk between them as she is very concern of Naruto's behavior once he fights against Sasuke. Who knows how serious Naruto is about him dying with Sasuke. Sasuke won't interact with her until maybe the resolution of Sasuke's character.

[Chatte]

Next to Sakura's love resolution, Sasuke's redemption will be the hardest task for Kishi to make it believable. The only acceptable option I can only see is either death or wonder the world. The problem is the fact there's so much conflicts within Sasuke and Konoha. If one side agree, the other won't. Sasuke already did enough deed for the world to see that he must be dead or anything of sort. He has worked for the villains countless times, invade the summit, which that alone already is a big crime. It's like invading the United Nation building. Danzou was killed by Sasuke (note: Sasuke said it whether he did or not), regardless if Danzou did some underground deeds, the point is that he belong in Konoha. It's like yeah, you hate the vice president for being rude and such, but killing him won't do anything good, rather make you worse. He has done so much, and him being redeemed and have open arm by Konoha like no big deal will be a horrible solution. The problem is even if Konoha is cool with it, you think everyone in there are? You think the other nations will be good with it? Realistically, if he has the chance to flee, he will be banished from all named villages, and just wonder the world. Even Kakashi said if Konoha or perhaps everyone learns about the truth, it will cause chaos and perhaps a civil war.

Now, the possibility of Sakura learning about Sasuke's reason and forgives him is a bit there, but I don't think it will help her to feel love again. Her love is fading and if Naruto gets the best of her without force, then she will change her feelings. In media, they tends to make the situation for women in love harder by placing them in confusion. Like on one hand, you like this guy, but then you meet another guy who is either your childhood friend or the fact he is similar to you and will be able to do many things alongside. Sakura is this situation, but the confusion has not yet started for her. It all depends on how Sakura sees it. Right now, Naruto has been nothing but positive for her. Sasuke continues to be negative. Again, she can respect both of them respectively, but love is something else.

Even if Sakura learns the truth of the massacre, what good that will do for her. She already accepts the fact that Naruto will handle Sasuke, 1-on-1, no one else. She can still help, but once Sasuke himself shows up, then leave it to Naruto. What's worrying her now is two things: the current situation in the manga and Naruto's plan with Sasuke (die together). She has nothing on Sasuke but hope Team 7 will return again. The fact that Sasuke's redemption will happen in the final climax tells me that her time is out and it will only come out rushed as hell, more than this so-called NH in the current situation. Naruto and Sakura has more stuff to deal with each other before bringing Team 7 as a whole. Right now, Naruto is getting his glory moment in front of Sakura, so the positive just keeps getting higher. Not once Sasuke thought of her individually throughout the manga. Yes, I said it without hesitation. It's always about one whole team. That's his purpose. Naruto is similar, but his is about them respectively. I still stand by this, but Naruto's last moment before the storm will be Sakura and with that, there's no way you can dodge a potential romance scene. I have seen this countless times and it's always the same.

This arc is like the Pain Invasion Arc, the Team 7 center won't be the vocal point. That will be the next. Right now, it's all Naruto. That's another thing. Sakura is always been his side to the very end. The Kage Summit arc really shows how much each of them has changed, with the exception of Naruto. That was the point. Naruto was being indirectly told to change. Instead, he managed to fight back and decided to never back down and settle it with himself. If he did change his mind, he will no longer be the Naruto we all know. That's why he had mental breakdown. It was hard, but he still pulled it through. Rest assure, it will all be clear once the situation with Sasuke begins. Sakura is no doubt in state of moving on. It will take Naruto to impress her without force. It will click soon. This does happen a lot. Time is clicking.

Yeap, that is the thing that it will make it hard to be believable as the SS and the NH consider (for their own comfort, probably) that if Sakura will love Naruto after 540 it will be BS which actually irks me to say like that, they totally erase every development they had because of one damn panel.
It was indeed a panel where Sakura think of Sasuke but the way I see it, when she says she's already in love with someone else as in Naruto and when the guys says about 'that other guy, must be awesome' it's like Sakura's face expression is nothing like he's great.
Something like "I'm in love with someone, but yeah, that other guy I'm in love with, he's not totally awesome at all".
Dunno if I make sense but hope you get it.
As for the Massacre thing, yeah, I see what you mean.
it was an interesting thing that I, personally, didn't knew how to respond at that time.

Edited by Chatte, 10 December 2012 - 11:42 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Just finishing what i said before:

We are reaching a Climax for the romance stuff too
Sakura already got a check decision yes she still loves sasuke but she had to rethink about it and it iwll lead to a decision.
About NH -> hinata decided to stop stalking naruto and confront him

About Naruto :-> He will have to make a decision and obito will force it, naruto says that "one day i will confess my love to her" but what happens if this day never comes?, he will become like obito, obito waited for this day and died, his indecision led to a unhapy and uncertain future for him, this is something that naruto will got from him, his experience will force naruto to make his decision, he will confess or he will drop.
For me the next chapters will decide what pairing will be canon, this war arc will decide it, the next arc will be a development of a normal life in the village, and a major spolight on that emo until the final battle.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 December 2012 - 12:13 AM.

[luffyq1]

While she still loves Sasuke, she's not happy about it because he's not a great guy.
Contradiction.
if she's not happy she will come to a decision, it leads to a decision.
I know that she loves sasuke but it show another thing beyond, what you expressed "she's not happy about it, he's not a great guy".
She will simple leave it as be after thinking, after she stopped to think.
she will come to a decision continue loving him or not.


this is the resolution i'm talking about, she will continue loving him despite of him being a bad guy?
this do not confort me but it leads to a check-mate scene, at the same time NH reached too at a check-mate decision, hinata will stop following naruto and will hold his hand in other words she will confront naruto.

Coming to a decision? She already tried that leading up the summit, remeber? She found out terrible things that Sasuke has done. While she tried to remove the heavy burdens that Naruto carried, she also tried to force herself to love Naruto, and we all know that was done in a painfully way. She can't even force herself to love Naruto, that's how much her heart belongs to Sasuke, as fuc*ed up as it sounds. Hinata will stop following Naruto? Lol, maybe in fanfiction, but not in Kishi's story xD. Hinata got tunnel vision for Naruto.

1. Its not true that naruto isnt trying to bring back sasuke because of that promise anymore. He of corse wants to bring him back, so that he cant fall any deeper but the promise is still also important to him, remember its a lifelong promise.

2. Sakuras feelings for naruto are also shown as love with the only difference that she hasnt recognized it. Its shown very often by third parties like sai or yamato.

3.i dont have a problem with kishi showing sakura still having feelings for sasuke, since it makes the story more dramatic abd exciting. I also dont think hes a bad writer because of that because thats just the nornal flow of the story and as far as it developed i still find it excitig. Would you still be that intrested in NS if there would be nothing else stading in the way anymore that could bring some more romantic develolment for naruto and sakura? So for me as long as hes not making Ns or Nh canon in the end i dont see him as a bad writer.

@NaruSaku4life3g: Great post!

1. It is true. Naruto clearly said that this isn't about the promise anymore. What exactly don't you understand? Atfer the crazy summit confrontation, we see Naruto resting on the grass and Kakashi says something along the lines of "It looks like something heavy has been lifted off of him", and then the panel shifts to Sakura. What more proof do you need? Stop arguing against the manga.

2.The crucial moment where we clearly saw Sakura displaying romantic feelings for Naruto was durring the summit, and i say crucial because that was NaruSaku being brought up on the table after all they've been through, no interruptions and very dramatic. She tried to force herself to recognize her romantic feelings, but I'm sure you know how painfully awkward that was lol.

3. While you may not have a problem with Kishi showing Sakura still loving Sasuke, others do. Whether you find it exciting or not, it still doesn't do good for Sakura's character at all. It's bad writing in the romance department because Sakura still loves Sasuke after all he's put her through. Truly pathetic. Kishi could have made the romance more interesting by going about it some other way, instead of having Sakura forcing herself to love Naruto and still being undecisive.

Yeah, but the point is that she is not happy about it. I am already aware that she doesn't see Naruto in that light yet, but her development has been maxed out in terms of friendship. Only she can open the romance relationship door. If she becomes confuse of her feelings, it's all over. Naruto still have a lot of time with her before going to the final climax. Also, there will be more talk between them as she is very concern of Naruto's behavior once he fights against Sasuke. Who knows how serious Naruto is about him dying with Sasuke. Sasuke won't interact with her until maybe the resolution of Sasuke's character.

Agreed.



Don't get me wrong, I'm a die hard NS fan. But even i will admit Naruto deserves better. I mean who would want to be with an undecisive woman that still loves a man that put her through an emotional and physical hell? That's why i think Sakura said "The fool is in love with me." I understand where the anti NS & NH fandom are coming from. But in no way do i think that Hinata is the right person for Naruto. God no!

Edited by luffyq1, 11 December 2012 - 12:45 AM.

[swagosaurus]

Kishi still wants that romantic tension to last; that's the only logical reason for Sakura to still have feelings for Sasuke.

Honestly. Karin spent more time with him+they shared a closer bond than Sasuke/Sakura, but Karin said she was done with Sasuke.

He's milking the pairing, even though it would be an asspull for it to happen. Sasuke isn't coming back to Konoha, and Sakura isn't leaving. SasuSaku is the most popular het pairing, so....yeah.

I'm pretty sure Road to Ninja showed Kishi's liking of the pairing. I'm not sure if it was intentional or not, but the 'wilting rose' was actually really symbolic; it represents her fading romance for Sasuke. A 'perfect' Sasuke that liked her never existed, and never will.

Edited by swagosaurus, 11 December 2012 - 12:29 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Coming to a decision? She already tried that leading up the summit, remeber? She found out terrible things that Sasuke has done. While she tried to remove the heavy burdens that Naruto carried, she also tried to force herself to love Naruto, and we all know that was done in a painfully way. She can't even force herself to love Naruto, that's how much her heart belongs to Sasuke, as fuc*ed up as it sounds. Hinata will stop following Naruto? Lol, maybe in fanfiction, but not in Kishi's story xD. Hinata got tunnel vision for Naruto.

Plot reasons, she will decide yes, sasuke did horrible things yes and it make her sad now.
Hinata stop following naruto it's a simbology because kishimoto put every pairing into a checkmate decision that's why i disagree with the other posts, there's no more development for either NS, SS, NH.
because a decision will be made, it can come from naruto or sakura but it will, kishimoto already moved all his paws and it will start to play on the next two chapters, he finished the pairing developments and will make one canon soon, hinata got her development maxed out, sakura may love sasuke but the lover-nin made her think carefull about her love future and naruto who is seeing now his alter-ego, that pursued his very same love's path with "i'll confess my love to her one day" the fact is a pairing will be canon soon.

it's time to a decision now it's all ou nothing.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 December 2012 - 12:29 AM.

[Chatte]

Sometimes, to be honest, I fear Kishi is going to ruin her character and the whole Naruto/Sakura pairing for fanservice.

[swagosaurus]

Sometimes, to be honest, I fear Kishi is going to ruin her character and the whole Naruto/Sakura pairing for fanservice.

Well, you can't really get SasuSaku fanservice.....at all, anymore. Unless you count 540....which in reality, it portrayed the whole pairing as negative. IMO, NaruSaku is so well-developed, it doesn't necessarily need any fanservice/reminders (though, they would be nice).

Edited by swagosaurus, 11 December 2012 - 01:03 AM.

[Chucky-kun]

Coming to a decision? She already tried that leading up the summit, remeber? She found out terrible things that Sasuke has done. While she tried to remove the heavy burdens that Naruto carried, she also tried to force herself to love Naruto, and we all know that was done in a painfully way. She can't even force herself to love Naruto, that's how much her heart belongs to Sasuke, as fuc*ed up as it sounds. Hinata will stop following Naruto? Lol, maybe in fanfiction, but not in Kishi's story xD. Hinata got tunnel vision for Naruto.




1. It is true. Naruto clearly said that this isn't about the promise anymore. What exactly don't you understand? Atfer the crazy summit confrontation, we see Naruto resting on the grass and Kakashi says something along the lines of "It looks like something heavy has been lifted off of him", and then the panel shifts to Sakura. What more proof do you need? Stop arguing against the manga.

2.The crucial moment where we clearly saw Sakura displaying romantic feelings for Naruto was durring the summit, and i say crucial because that was NaruSaku being brought up on the table after all they've been through, no interruptions and very dramatic. She tried to force herself to recognize her romantic feelings, but I'm sure you know how painfully awkward that was lol.

3. While you may not have a problem with Kishi showing Sakura still loving Sasuke, others do. Whether you find it exciting or not, it still doesn't do good for Sakura's character at all. It's bad writing in the romance department because Sakura still loves Sasuke after all he's put her through. Truly pathetic. Kishi could have made the romance more interesting by going about it some other way, instead of having Sakura forcing herself to love Naruto and still being undecisive.





Agreed.



Don't get me wrong, I'm a die hard NS fan. But even i will admit Naruto deserves better. I mean who would want to be with an undecisive woman that still loves a man that put her through an emotional and physical hell? That's why i think Sakura said "The fool is in love with me." I understand where the anti NS & NH fandom are coming from. But in no way do i think that Hinata is the right person for Naruto. God no!

characters can develop

[luffyq1]

Plot reasons, she will decide yes, sasuke did horrible things yes and it make her sad now.
Hinata stop following naruto it's a simbology because kishimoto put every pairing into a checkmate decision that's why i disagree with the other posts, there's no more development for either NS, SS, NH.
because a decision will be made, it can come from naruto or sakura but it will, kishimoto already moved all his paws and it will start to play on the next two chapters, he finished the pairing developments and will make one canon soon, hinata got her development maxed out, sakura may love sasuke but the lover-nin made her think carefull about her love future and naruto who is seeing now his alter-ego, that pursued his very same love's path with "i'll confess my love to her one day" the fact is a pairing will be canon soon.

it's time to a decision now it's all ou nothing.

Yeah Yeah Yeah. Plot is the reason she is still undecisive. But just because it's for the sake of the romance plot doesn't mean it's good. He's going about it in a terrible way. Sasuke has done awful things to her, yet she still loves him. She ain't happy about it, but her heart belongs to Sasuke. Regarding Hinata? As of now, it seems that theory of Hinata letting go of Naruto is about as crazy as Obama blowing up the whitehouse. More development for NH? Yeah, either Naruto's going to confront Hinata about her feelings, or Hinata's going to confront Naruto about her feelings, and I'm going with the latter, seeing as Hinata is showing more assertiveness to be with Naruto after the war is over. Kishi can't keep dodging the inveitable NH conversation regarding Naruto's feelings for her. SS development? Obviously. I don't even need to elaborate on the reason why it's going to happen, and that goes double for NS development.

Edited by luffyq1, 11 December 2012 - 01:21 AM.

[Tsubaki]

Sometimes, to be honest, I fear Kishi is going to ruin her character and the whole Naruto/Sakura pairing for fanservice.

Sometimes I have that same fear. But it is hard to believe that Kishi will give up of a couple just because of the popularity (and even more because "romance" in Naruto is something that is directly connected to the main plot .. We even have one of the main villains becoming who he is right now because "he lost the one he loved") and if we take in account the last SJ official poll... NaruSaku is the second most popular hetero pairing. >> http://naruhina-alwa...-VOTE-286943344 ( I think the results are reliable since it comes of a NaruHina Deviant ..)

Edited by Tsubaki, 11 December 2012 - 01:14 AM.

[luffyq1]

characters can develop

So?

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well, you can't really get SasuSaku fanservice.....at all, anymore. Unless you count 540....which in reality, it portrayed the whole pairing as negative. IMO, NaruSaku is so well-developed, it doesn't necessarily need any fanservice/reminders (though, they would be nice).

Agreed.

You know what's funny, even the anime can't do it and add more to NS. In part 1 filler hell, the studio did all out free-for-all episodes that doesn't even reflect the character all that much. It's like multiple writers from the world and go all out. It won't do anything since Naruto "ended" already. Now enter part 2. Now they have to be according to the story since they are in a middle of the story. That's why you see more "careful" writing, though of course, they can mess things up. That said ever notice that NS got the main focus out of all of them. Usually, anime studio tends to push further for the main pairing. I'm not saying this means canon, but I haven't seen the anime getting wrong yet. Note, the anime must be adaption from somewhere, not an original anime creation. They like to market it and for some reason, studios likes to increase romance focus, so NS is no exception.

While this whole post is not meant to debate or confirm anything canon, I just thought it is interesting to note further. Won't it be awkward to see the whole anime, movies, and merchandises revolving NS? I know I would.

[Chatte]

Sometimes I have that same fear. But it is hard to believe that Kishi will give up of a couple just because of the popularity (and even more because "romance" in Naruto is something that is directly connected to the main plot .. We even have one of the main villains becoming who he is right now because "he lost the one he loved") and if we take in account the last SJ official poll... NaruSaku is the second most popular hetero pairing. >> http://naruhina-alwa...-VOTE-286943344 ( I think the results are reliable since it comes of a NaruHina Deviant ..)

Yeah, I've seen that, but as I've read it's from 2009, right?
Things have changed since then and because of how things turned, I am sure NaruHina must be the most popular.
And why do I say fanservice?
Look at the last chapters.
ShikaTema references although initially Kishi said no such thing for Shikamaru, yet, he is starting to do it because there are fans out there that want ShikaTema.
And as I'm sure that NaruHina must be very popular now, I'm kinda afraid Kishi will fall under that.
In the end, he's a mangaka that makes money out of this. Romantical stuff sell. And weighting overall pairings, lately, I can assure you just by the fandom's reaction overall that NaruHina is more preferred.
One of the reasons I want NS to happen is because of the development and that heart-bumping of hers for Naruto and the fact that this would be a redemption for her character's hate.
People hate her too much already.
I feel like travelling to Japan to tell this to Kishi, lol.

[luffyq1]

Kishi still wants that romantic tension to last; that's the only logical reason for Sakura to still have feelings for Sasuke.

Honestly. Karin spent more time with him+they shared a closer bond than Sasuke/Sakura, but Karin said she was done with Sasuke.

Logical or not, it's coming off as pathetic. As you've stated, Karin spent more time with him, and that's where the problem comes to light. She spent more time with him, but the moment he pulled that kitten on her she moved on. But with Sakura? Now that's a different story. After 3 murder attempts she still loves the guy. It took 1 attempt on Karin's life to finally see that Sasuke is lower than garbage. At least Karin's got her damn head on straight. I guess this just shows that Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are stronger than Karin's feelings for Sasuke. That's the only conclusion we can come to. That's deep...in a sick way.

Edited by luffyq1, 11 December 2012 - 01:37 AM.

[swagosaurus]

Logical or not, it's coming off as pathetic. As you've stated, Karin spent more time with him, and that's where the problem comes to light. She spent more time with him, but the moment he pulled that kitten on her she moved on. But with Sakura? Now that's a different story. After 3 murder attempts she still loves the guy. It took 1 attempt on Karin's life to finally see that Sasuke is lower than garbage. At least Karin's got her damn head on straight. I guess this just shows that Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are stronger than Karin's feelings for Sasuke. That's the only conclusion we can come to. That's deep...in a sick way.

Meh. She gave up on saving Sasuke, tried to kill him, and now her view of him is completely negative. Some people may see that as her having unconditional, irreplacable love; I see it as development of her feelings. She started out crazy over Sasuke, and having strong dislike towards Naruto. Right now, it's sort of at an awkward middle, in a way. She no longer see's Sasuke in a good light, and now her view of Naruto is, or was, teetering on romantic.

Edited by swagosaurus, 11 December 2012 - 01:42 AM.