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[RyrineaHaruno]

Sources: Limbaugh Hospitalized With Chest Pains

I do hope that his is OK.

[Nee-sama]

Obama proposes a tax aimed to make banks pay back bailout money

Of course the banks should pay back the taxpayer money that they received to bail them out of the hole they dug themselves into. But why do it through a tax that affects many banks that didn't even receive bailout or TARP money?
It pisses everyone off to see how much bonus money those execs get, but does the Pres really have the right to say they can't spend their money on that?
This article even points out the other companies that "can't" payback their bailout money, like the auto industry, but they aren't being punished through taxation.
While I agree with the fundamental idea of this tax, I have to say it just doesn't seem like the right thing to do.

Edited by Nee-sama, 14 January 2010 - 07:45 PM.

[Sakura Blossoms]

Obama keeps the world from Nuclear Doomsday, and turns back the 'Doomsday Clock'

That's some pretty big praise...

[Strangelove]

Obama keeps the world from Nuclear Doomsday, and turns back the 'Doomsday Clock'

That's some pretty big praise...

lol...by a minute...and what exactly does that even mean? Scientist can't predict the future...this sounds even dumber than the 2012 Apocalypse...

Edited by Strangelove, 15 January 2010 - 11:48 PM.

[Nee-sama]

Kinda like when Obama received the Nobel Peace Award, I'm left wondering what exactly he accomplished to earn this praise. This is the kind of liberal media coverage that people like Rush use to justify statements like "[the earthquake in Haiti] played right into his hand."

[Sakura Blossoms]

Kinda like when Obama received the Nobel Peace Award, I'm left wondering what exactly he accomplished to earn this praise. This is the kind of liberal media coverage that people like Rush use to justify statements like "[the earthquake in Haiti] played right into his hand."

Nothing can justify such a horrible arrogant statement as that.

[Nee-sama]

I agree. His statements were racist, inappropriate, and ridiculous. Somehow or another he still feels justified in saying it or at the very least just doesn't care about the consequences.

[Strangelove]

Limbaugh isn't into political correctness.

[RyrineaHaruno]

Limbaugh isn't into political correctness.

. He made a stupid racist comment during one of his little rants , and there is still no excuse for it. That is why he is getting hounded by all sides.

Edited by RyrineaHaruno, 16 January 2010 - 02:11 AM.

[Nate River]

I agree. His statements were racist, inappropriate, and ridiculous. Somehow or another he still feels justified in saying it or at the very least just doesn't care about the consequences.

Inappropriate and ridiculous, absolutely.

But, I don't see how they are racist.

Anyway, he probably says it because he genuinely believes that's how Obama sees this. As far as the consequences...I can't imagine he cares about what most of his critics think.

lol...by a minute...and what exactly does that even mean? Scientist can't predict the future...this sounds even dumber than the 2012 Apocalypse...

That's not exactly what they are doing. It's not a literal count down to a of time. I don't recall when it was created, but some time (were talking decades) ago a group of scientists created that clock and move according to world events and their perceived likelihood of a nuclear holocaust.

[Nee-sama]

The fact that he felt compelled to specify "light-skinned and dark-skinned black communities" made it sound pretty racist to me. As if there are no white communities that are democratic and approve of Pres. Obama. Maybe I misunderstood what he was referring to, but I listened to his whole rant on youtube just so I could get my own interpretation of it and not be mislead by online news sources.

That line is a dig at Harry Reid.

I stand corrected.

Edited by Nee-sama, 16 January 2010 - 03:23 AM.

[Nate River]

The fact that he felt compelled to specify "light-skinned and dark-skinned black communities" made it sound pretty racist to me. As if there are no white communities that are democratic and approve of Pres. Obama. Maybe I misunderstood what he was referring to, but I listened to his whole rant on youtube just so I could get my own interpretation of it and not be mislead by online news sources.

That's what I thought you meant.

That line is a dig at Harry Reid.

[Strangelove]

That's not exactly what they are doing. It's not a literal count down to a of time. I don't recall when it was created, but some time (were talking decades) ago a group of scientists created that clock and move according to world events and their perceived likelihood of a nuclear holocaust.

Oh i see, still sounds ridiculous to me, as the human population increases, the chances of getting into ethnic conflict increases, as different ethnicity's come into contact with each other. Usually resulting in war for land, resources, and religion. Now the scientist say nuclear holocaust...but i see that as impossible since most nuclear weapons are now in the hands of sane leaders...and some insane ones...maybe it turned the clock back, because Obama is less likely to push the launch button than Bush or god forbids Chaney was...

Edited by Strangelove, 16 January 2010 - 04:25 AM.

[ciardha]

That's not exactly what they are doing. It's not a literal count down to a of time. I don't recall when it was created, but some time (were talking decades) ago a group of scientists created that clock and move according to world events and their perceived likelihood of a nuclear holocaust.

1947. It has a lot of meaning to people who lived through the Cold War. It hit closest to midnight during the Reagan adminstration. 3 minutes to midnight in 1984. in my teens and twenties I went to bed every night afraid Reagan would start a war, he once made a infamous joke about doing just that. Very few people found it funny, because he and that adminstration said serious things that showed they were quite willing to start such a war with the Soviet Union. I bless providence that Gorbachev came to power in the mid 80's and kept trying to encourage peace talks, Reagan refused to dismantle any of our nuclear warheads, and Gorbachev finally went ahead and dismantled a whole bunch of the ones the Soviet Union had, even though they already had less than we did and after that significantly less. Once Gorbachev showed he was really serious about making a more peaceful world the Reagan adminstration toned down their war talk. Gorbachev was the one who was most instrumental in ending the Cold War, even had his and his family's life endangered at one point at the very end of his term, hardliners sent troops and took them hostage. But Yeltson in Moscow basically finished the job of toppling the hardliners and the Gorbachev family was freed.

Edited by ciardha, 16 January 2010 - 07:34 AM.

[RyrineaHaruno]

I am far more outraged by Pat's Robertson comment than anything. Rush, and others like him will always find a way to turn anything in to a political shot.

Edited by RyrineaHaruno, 16 January 2010 - 09:33 PM.

[ciardha]

My dad had this published in our local paper this week. My dad is 76 years old- not all "senior citizens" are conservatives.

Follow the money

The economic duo, Geithner and Summers, have accomplished their goal of saving the bacon of the ungrateful criminals of Wall Street. Give them a medal and show them the door. They have no empathy for Main Street, and their loyalty is to the world from whence they came. Replace them with progressive economists that will devise policies to help the average citizen recover from the disaster of unregulated capitalism.

These policies will be viciously attacked by the well connected and moneyed class with a deluge of misinformation and outright lies. The cynical cabal of the wealthy elite such as the Chamber of Commerce will certainly increase their present deceptive campaigns to exploit and misdirect the anger and fear of the damaged public. They will amplify their funding of fake grassroots organizations and hate radio rhetoric. These tactics will have to be vigorously and repeatedly countered with statements of fact.

As for the means to help finance the programs needed to recover from the Great Recession, follow the money! We are presently witnessing a disgusting feast by vulture capitalists on the economic remains of the newly unemployed. Multi million dollar payouts to incompetent or dishonest executives have no reason to exist, especially when millions of people can't find a job. Establish a new tax bracket for any type of remuneration above some fair amount. Call it the "Unconscionable Greed Bracket". Set the rates on a sliding scale from 50% to 99.9%. In addition, make the payouts of these funds or perks above this threshold a non-deductible tax expense for the company paying them. The income from these taxes would go a long way toward financing repair of our neglected infrastructure and entering into a new Eisenhower type of renewal for the 21st century.



I pretty much agree with what my dad wrote except I think wealthy people should be taxed even more than he does- yes, I'm a real live socialist in the modern Scandinavian socialism sense, that is. I've gone progressively leftward over the years, but was always on the liberal side, having two liberal parents who encouraged my siblings and I to learn about the world from the time we were born. (I was watching CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite with my parents from when I was a baby- my first memory, in fact, was the news reports that Bobby Kennedy had died the day after he was shot in June 1968. I remember hearing my mom gasp in shock behind me- my brother and I sat on the floor close to the TV while my dad sat on the recliner and my mom on the couch- and the images of the shocked grieving campaign workers on the TV. I wasn't quite two years old when that happened. But like a number of people who were as young as 18 months old when JFK was killed the shock of the event triggered a first long term memory. It shows you how young children can understand the basic thing about what it means when someone is killed. I understood that the Vietnam War meant people (civilians and soldiers) were getting killed by the time I was three... and it made me a pacifist in my heart.

[RyrineaHaruno]

I agree with your father Ciardiha, I am thinking that the Scandinavia socialist forum is an excellent way to go.

Edited by RyrineaHaruno, 17 January 2010 - 08:12 AM.

[ciardha]

I agree with your father Ciardiha, I am thinking that the Scandinavia socialist forum is an excellent way to go.

Heh, my dad's still basically a Kennedy style liberal Democrat (my late mother- passed away suddenly from a blood clot to her heart in 2005, was a liberal feminist Democrat in a slightly more leftward populist type- strong supporter of labor unions ) I've gradually gone leftward from my mother's liberal feminist populist Democrat stance in my twenties and thirties to a socialist in the modern Scandinavian sense now in my early 40's. I favor a return to FDR's 1940's tax rates. We are in the much the same boat we were then- in a lingering worldwide economic crisis that has hit the poor and lower middle class the hardest and have much of our resources also tied into wars. FDR wanted a top rate of 99.5 tax on all people who made over 100,000 a year. Contrary to what many Americans believe, the number of people who make that much a year or more has not increased to any great number since the 1940's, the only difference is they clutch in their grasp even more of the economic resources due to the great weakening of anti monopoly laws in the 1980's. Those laws were put into effect the last time 5% of the population controlled over 80% the wealth- the robber barons of industry of the late 1800's and early 1900's- the Sherman Anti Trust law of 1890 and the Clayton Anti Trust law of 1914. Stiff regulation is needed again against corporate greed, and restoration of the laws designed to protect workers that were undermined during the Bush administration.

[Strangelove]

Talking about Kennedy...in Massachusetts...Scott Brown now leads Martha Coakley in a major poll...

http://www.cbsnews.c...ry6100901.shtml

A new survey shows GOP Senate candidate Scott Brown marginally beating Democratic candidate Martha Coakley in the race to fill the late Ted Kennedy's Senate seat, the first time a major poll has put Brown in the lead.

Brown, a state senator, is beating state attorney general Coakley 50 percent to 46 percent, according to a new Suffolk University/7News poll. Brown's lead is within the poll's 4.4-point margin of error, but it still represents "a massive change in the political landscape" of the solidly blue state, Suffolk's Political Research Center director David Paleologos told the Boston Herald.

[RyrineaHaruno]

Talking about Kennedy...in Massachusetts...Scott Brown now leads Martha Coakley in a major poll...

http://www.cbsnews.c...ry6100901.shtml

I am not to sure how this will turn out, because polls tend to have a 3% to 4% margin in error. However, this seems to be a very close race. The polls are always turning every week, so don't trust Polls to much. You should take polls with a grain of slat.

Edited by RyrineaHaruno, 17 January 2010 - 08:09 PM.