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Poll: Which pairing are you rooting for? =D (128 member(s) have cast votes)

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  1. Kataang - Katara/Aang (75 votes [58.59%])

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  2. Zutara - Zuko/Katara (27 votes [21.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.09%

  3. Both (5 votes [3.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.91%

  4. Neither (6 votes [4.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.69%

  5. Kick-a-pow! (15 votes [11.72%])

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#581 dl316bh

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Posted 02 July 2010 - 08:15 AM

QUOTE (chouzu_tao @ Jul 2 2010, 12:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You can't stay true to an entire season if you're cramming it into one movie.

You could make a good run of it if you have a three hour runtime; not all of it, of course, but you could get the most important bits easily enough. The trouble is that theaters don't like three hour run times. They never have, but it's only gotten worse; at least in the 80's there were a good number of films coming out with a three hour runtime and a lot of them are now classics. But a three hour runtime means less showtimes in a given day at a theater. This is why ninety minute films became standard for most films and the DVD special edition rose to prominence; usually a good twenty minute's plus is cut from a film because of what the theaters want.

Lord of the Rings lucked out on this; though they still had to cut about an hour of footage.

My point is kind of moot though, because I can't say that I believe the extra time would have helped considering the director; while three hours gives you breathing room, you also have to know how to use the time properly, which is a lot of why M. Night wasn't exactly the best choice I could think of for director.

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Posted 02 July 2010 - 08:17 AM

Ugh! I haven't watched the movie yet, but I already expected this will happen!! what did they to to the last airbender!!? And did you say they took of Uncle iroh and Sokka's Humor? NOOOOOOO!!!!
Oh well better watch it first myself before saying any more violent reactions...smile.gif))

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Posted 02 July 2010 - 08:33 AM

After reading chouzu's very detailed review, right now I'm asking myself why did I decide to give this movie a chance again? When I had already anticipated a let down based from the spoiler material... that I will never know. Since I had already invited a few friends to go see the movie with me, it looks as if we're all going to suffer together... (there goes my money...!)

It's a shame really that theaters are governing how long they want a movie to be, especially considering how massively popular the Avatar movie was, which if I remember right is quite long! Too bad they couldn't make this one of the longer movies too dry.gif or made better choices in actors!

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Posted 02 July 2010 - 12:08 PM

QUOTE (desaix @ Jul 2 2010, 02:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've gotta agree -- pretty much my reaction to the same movie. Only slight disagreement I have with you is Iroh -- yes, he had no sense of humor (he didn't have an opportunity to show one, really, they gave him so few lines), but I could believe the actor's interpretation of Iroh as an honest one. The others didn't even seem to be MAKING an interpretation of the characters -- they just seemed to be saying their lines (occasionally shouting or speaking hoarsely when a so-called "emotion" needs to be displayed).


Mm. This is the correct way to put it, how they didn't make an interpretation but again this really does seem to happen a lot with Shyamalan films. But you're right about Uncle Iroh. He did feel honest. So this actor has some dignity left, but he's still written poorly. Also, the bond between Iroh and Zuko isn't as strong in the movie as it is in the show. And maybe what I mean about Iroh missing humor is that it's never really shown that he brings humor to Zuko. In the show even though he didn't want to be happy or have humor, Uncle Iroh forced his way through Zuko's anger, and because of their bond Zuko gave into a smile and a moment of happiness and peace, even if just for a moment, from time to time. And again that shows a different color to Zuko as well. Even though he actually wanted to stay angry, because of his sadness and because of his scar, he subconsciously relishes each moment of happiness. Which is why the tea shop moments happen in Book 2. I think it's Book 2.

QUOTE (dl316bh @ Jul 2 2010, 03:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You could make a good run of it if you have a three hour runtime; not all of it, of course, but you could get the most important bits easily enough. The trouble is that theaters don't like three hour run times. They never have, but it's only gotten worse; at least in the 80's there were a good number of films coming out with a three hour runtime and a lot of them are now classics. But a three hour runtime means less showtimes in a given day at a theater. This is why ninety minute films became standard for most films and the DVD special edition rose to prominence; usually a good twenty minute's plus is cut from a film because of what the theaters want.

Lord of the Rings lucked out on this; though they still had to cut about an hour of footage.

My point is kind of moot though, because I can't say that I believe the extra time would have helped considering the director; while three hours gives you breathing room, you also have to know how to use the time properly, which is a lot of why M. Night wasn't exactly the best choice I could think of for director.


Yeah, they could've definitely made a run at it with a 3 hour run time, with a different director but, and here's the thing that annoys me, Avatar is labeled a 'kids show' which means movie studios will fight there being too long of a run time for fear of kids losing interest in the movie, and also for more showtimes for more money. To me Avatar is not a kids show it's a family show. There's something for all ages.

But this is something that I forget. When you make a movie, the studio that's producing it can rip something completely apart. The producers could've been responsible for the bad casting (I'm betting they are on this one), and all of the short cuts made to the film. But unfortunately Mr. Shyamalan I don't know if that's true or not and since you are responsible for piecing this together I can only blame you for this horrible mess. Bad Shyamalan. BAD!

I also forgot to mention why I didn't agree with the water bending line "Water bending is about forgiveness. Let your emotions flow." How can you forgive someone if you're letting your emotions flow?

"I'm angry!"
"Let your emotions flow!"
"AAAAAAAHHHHH! WATER BENDING!"
"You killed him."
"You said let my emotions flow."
"But it's about forgiveness."
"Dude, is forgiveness tossing a guy into an ice wall with a pressure canon of water?"

Again it's because they wanted to instill the sense of anti-war. But really each tribe is in war, and although they would not like to be, they will defend themselves with "martial" arts. The anti-war part comes through Aang.

Also, am I the only one who cringed each time they said Aang "Ung"? I understand that that may be how it's written, but it should be pronounced the way they said it in the show, if not for anything other than the fans.

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Posted 02 July 2010 - 01:41 PM

Already have a 'everything Avatar' thread as well as a movie discussion thread. Merging threads.

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QUOTE (chouzu_tao @ Jul 2 2010, 12:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There's no way they couldn't have found a kid who knew martial arts that could also act. There are billions of people on this planet, heck in North America alone. I don't buy that these were the best kids for the roles and now I'm pissed! I'm also convinced that these kids had friends of or were kids of producers, which sucks because the creators of the show had producer credit. I'm serious. They're bad. I wanted to walk out of the theater within the first ten minutes.

Again this is from the behind-the-scenes feature that showed on Nicktoons a couple of days ago. According to M. Knight he wanted to reveal a 'big secret'. And the apparent 'secret' is that the kid who plays 'Aang' was found on the internet mellow.gif

M. Knight said that they searched everywhere, did a bunch of casting calls and just couldn't find anyone. And the kid who plays Aang, his martial arts instructor told him that he should send in a video of himself, with his hair shaved and wearing the Avatar outfit, because he looks 'just like Aang'. So the kid did it, and when M. Knight saw the vid he was like, "well he's amazing at martial arts, but let's run through the rest of the casting just in case." But his mind was pretty much already made up to get the kid. Not because of his acting abilities. But just because his martial arts was good.

The guy who plays Sokka also played Jasper in Twilight.

The guy who plays Zuko (Dev Patel) played the lead in Slumdog Millionaire, and he's won a few awards for his work.

So, I don't believe any of these actors got the parts because they were 'kids of producers' or 'friends of producers'. Because they aren't.

M. Knight just has absolutely no ability to direct a movie or a group of actors. I almost feel bad for M. Knight. He *really* should have just left well enough alone, and not try to write and direct in a movie genre that he has absolutely no experience in. He's suspense/horror. Avatar: the Last Airbender is not.

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Posted 02 July 2010 - 04:15 PM

Well, "Ung" was apparently the correct, Asian pronunciation of the name, so were "Eeroh's" pronunciation. So, sweatdrop.gif make of that what you will.

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Posted 02 July 2010 - 04:43 PM

I haven't seen it yet but in my opion anything poplar else where isn't poplar in movies. Like Mk, The first Street Fighter with JCVD. Super Mario Bros, DBZ and the lasest Avatar. Don't be expecting a Naruto movie to be as great as the series. Sakura would probably be 90% a white girl playing the role or Naruto some white boy with blond hair. My question to you is who do you would of did a good job or maybe they should of just left it alone and not make a movie.

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Posted 02 July 2010 - 04:55 PM

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Sakura would probably be 90% a white girl playing the role or Naruto some white boy with blond hair.

That's pretty much what Naruto looks like though...

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Posted 02 July 2010 - 05:13 PM

M. Night Shamwow needs to die and burn in hell for this insult against the greatest series ever.


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Posted 02 July 2010 - 05:21 PM

QUOTE (The Mangekyō Sharingan @ Jul 2 2010, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
M. Night Shamwow needs to die and burn in hell for this insult against the greatest series ever.

That's...a bit extreme mellow.gif

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Posted 02 July 2010 - 05:24 PM

QUOTE (The Mangekyō Sharingan @ Jul 2 2010, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
M. Night Shamwow needs to die and burn in hell for this insult against the greatest series ever.


Well, I'm not going to go that far. I think dealing with the negative feedback of this movie is worst enough. I'm not going to sentence the man to eternal damnation because I don't like his film. Outside of that, if they do continue with the series, I hope they pick another director.

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Posted 02 July 2010 - 05:43 PM

QUOTE (No WhereMan @ Jul 2 2010, 01:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Outside of that, if they do continue with the series, I hope they pick another director.

Well really, it wasn't a studio decision to make this movie. M. Knight was just watching it with his kids one day, really liked it, said that the series would make a great movie, his kids went wild for the idea, and then he took it upon himself to make it. And it was his idea to do sequels as well.

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Posted 02 July 2010 - 07:13 PM

QUOTE (Sakura Blossoms @ Jul 2 2010, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well really, it wasn't a studio decision to make this movie. M. Knight was just watching it with his kids one day, really liked it, said that the series would make a great movie, his kids went wild for the idea, and then he took it upon himself to make it. And it was his idea to do sequels as well.


Well he was part right. It would have made a great movie. Just not with him as the director.

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Posted 02 July 2010 - 09:42 PM

QUOTE (Sakura Blossoms @ Jul 2 2010, 08:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Already have a 'everything Avatar' thread as well as a movie discussion thread. Merging threads.

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Again this is from the behind-the-scenes feature that showed on Nicktoons a couple of days ago. According to M. Knight he wanted to reveal a 'big secret'. And the apparent 'secret' is that the kid who plays 'Aang' was found on the internet mellow.gif

M. Knight said that they searched everywhere, did a bunch of casting calls and just couldn't find anyone. And the kid who plays Aang, his martial arts instructor told him that he should send in a video of himself, with his hair shaved and wearing the Avatar outfit, because he looks 'just like Aang'. So the kid did it, and when M. Knight saw the vid he was like, "well he's amazing at martial arts, but let's run through the rest of the casting just in case." But his mind was pretty much already made up to get the kid. Not because of his acting abilities. But just because his martial arts was good.

The guy who plays Sokka also played Jasper in Twilight.

The guy who plays Zuko (Dev Patel) played the lead in Slumdog Millionaire, and he's won a few awards for his work.

So, I don't believe any of these actors got the parts because they were 'kids of producers' or 'friends of producers'. Because they aren't.

M. Knight just has absolutely no ability to direct a movie or a group of actors. I almost feel bad for M. Knight. He *really* should have just left well enough alone, and not try to write and direct in a movie genre that he has absolutely no experience in. He's suspense/horror. Avatar: the Last Airbender is not.


I knew about Dev, but couldn't care less bout the Twilight series so I had no idea where this boring actor came from. I still don't buy that they couldn't find a kid who knew martial arts who could act. This just proves that M Night Shyamalan also can't cast as well.


QUOTE (shadow_Uzumaki @ Jul 2 2010, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, "Ung" was apparently the correct, Asian pronunciation of the name, so were "Eeroh's" pronunciation. So, sweatdrop.gif make of that what you will.


I know it was the correct pronunciation, but it just sounds teh suck.

QUOTE (Sakura Blossoms @ Jul 2 2010, 11:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's pretty much what Naruto looks like though...


Yeah, he looks like a yankee so I don't think it would be that far of a stretch. I'm sure if it were ever made all the kids would be caucasian and for a more realistic look Sakura would be a red-head. I just hope they never do a live action movie.

QUOTE (No WhereMan @ Jul 2 2010, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, I'm not going to go that far. I think dealing with the negative feedback of this movie is worst enough. I'm not going to sentence the man to eternal damnation because I don't like his film. Outside of that, if they do continue with the series, I hope they pick another director.


Yeah, I wouldn't say kill him either. He just needs to leave the material alone because he's not the person to do it. I think he should've approached this movie as a producer and let someone else direct the movie. If the movie doesn't break even with it's crazu budget, I don't think we'll see anymore. If it does reach even or above, they'll make more because they can make toys to sell and make money off of that. The kids market is a big one.

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Posted 02 July 2010 - 09:59 PM

QUOTE (dokueki(venom) @ Jul 2 2010, 11:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I haven't seen it yet but in my opion anything poplar else where isn't poplar in movies. Like Mk, The first Street Fighter with JCVD. Super Mario Bros, DBZ and the lasest Avatar. Don't be expecting a Naruto movie to be as great as the series. Sakura would probably be 90% a white girl playing the role or Naruto some white boy with blond hair. My question to you is who do you would of did a good job or maybe they should of just left it alone and not make a movie.

Kishi has said if they ever made a live action Naruto, he'd prefer An American to play Naruto, a european to play Sakura, and a japanese to play Sasuke fwiw
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Posted 02 July 2010 - 10:04 PM

QUOTE (Mik3 @ Jul 2 2010, 04:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kishi has said if they ever made a live action Naruto, he'd prefer An American to play Naruto, a european to play Sakura, and a japanese to play Sasuke fwiw


Interesting. I didn't know that. But I wonder why a European... for variety maybe? But again, I hope it's never done. Two live action movies have sullied two animated series I like a lot. DB:E and LA. I won't spell them out because to do so would be to summon lightning upon oneself. arg.gif

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Posted 02 July 2010 - 10:10 PM

From the beginning, this movie was doomed. The character castings were awful. I'm not even talking about all the race bull, I mean they picked HORRIBLE actors for the main characters. Granted, the dialogue which reminded me of bad fanfiction didn't give them much room to make up for themselves, but I felt like I was watching Twilight. =_=

The only redeeming part of the movie is the unintentional humor when M. Night is trying to be serious, but everything just ends up seeming silly. (i.e. those Earth Benders stomping around in unison quite epically, only to move one tiny rock. XDDD)
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Posted 02 July 2010 - 10:26 PM

QUOTE (Saku-chan @ Jul 2 2010, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
From the beginning, this movie was doomed. The character castings were awful. I'm not even talking about all the race bull, I mean they picked HORRIBLE actors for the main characters. Granted, the dialogue which reminded me of bad fanfiction didn't give them much room to make up for themselves, but I felt like I was watching Twilight. =_=

The only redeeming part of the movie is the unintentional humor when M. Night is trying to be serious, but everything just ends up seeming silly. (i.e. those Earth Benders stomping around in unison quite epically, only to move one tiny rock. XDDD)


Yeah, that's the part I was talking about when I said I almost burst out laughing.

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Posted 02 July 2010 - 10:32 PM

I just checked other sites reviewing the movie and all I have to say is WTF? My God they are flaming, bashing and calling the movie "worst epic movie ever!" they are saying it's horrible, it sucks, M Night fails as a director and writter etc. I really am looking forward to watch this movie its suppose to arrive in my country on the 15th. All the critics and flaming that they have given the movie won't stop me from watching it, after all I learned to never trusts movie critics. Just look at Iron Man 2 the movie to me was awesome and better than the first and the critics were flaming it till no end. I will put all my trust in M Night's movie.
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Posted 02 July 2010 - 10:54 PM

Man was I disappointed with this movie, they were so busy including all these details from the series but completely forgot the elements and the substance that made the characters and plot of the show so compelling.

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