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[Nate River]

It's alright, I can understand the confusion. I respond to arguments posted as if I were on NF so I use "you." So when I say that the "you" refers to the original NF poster. I can see why its unclear and why you would think I was talking to you directly. I probably should switch to third person in the future.

[Daniee]

People are already starting to interpret the Sakura scene in the latest chapter as a SasuSaku hint.

I totally wasn't expecting to see Sakura this week, what a great surprise! The way Kishimoto-sensei drew her against the moon in those panels was so romantic, especially with the way she cried looking at the picture... I just about melted. Kishimoto-sensei is the master of characterization and I'm happy that he's still pursuing his goal of including more romance in Part 2. You can tell he's totally shipping SasuSaku. If you don't agree with me, go check out the infamous chapter 181 again. See the picture? See the moon? Yeah, it's canon kittenes.

I think if it was meant to be SasuSaku hint, she would be looking at just a picture of Sasuke(or it would zoom in on Sasuke in the photo) and say "Sasuke-kun...", and maybe have a flashback. For now, I'd say it's a Team 7 moment, like the rest of the chapter.

[Arsene]

People are already starting to interpret the Sakura scene in the latest chapter as a SasuSaku hint.

I totally wasn't expecting to see Sakura this week, what a great surprise! The way Kishimoto-sensei drew her against the moon in those panels was so romantic, especially with the way she cried looking at the picture... I just about melted. Kishimoto-sensei is the master of characterization and I'm happy that he's still pursuing his goal of including more romance in Part 2. You can tell he's totally shipping SasuSaku. If you don't agree with me, go check out the infamous chapter 181 again. See the picture? See the moon? Yeah, it's canon kittenes.

I think if it was meant to be SasuSaku hint, she would be looking at just a picture of Sasuke and say "Sasuke-kun...", and maybe have a flashback. For now, I'd say it's a Team 7 moment, like the rest of the chapter.

I remember them saying that we take things way out of context. This pretty much proves they are just as guilty (if not more) for taking things out of context. She was looking at the picture reminiscing of the past, wishing that they could go back to being a team again. God, some people are so hasty with their judgement...

And no, SasuSaku is not canon. The NaruSakuSasu triangle will not be resolved until very late in the series.

[Nate River]

The last sentence of that poster reminds me of something. It is my firm belief, that regardless of how the pairing situation ends, the fallout in the fandom will be awesome to behold. I'm not sure if I want front row seats or if I should run for the hills.

Anyway, the poster is reading more into the moment than they should. This does not make it canon. First, we already knew Sakura still cared for him. Second, the picture is of Team 7, not Sasuke. I'm not going to say it has no bearing on SasuSaku because I don't think that's true, but the fact that the picture contains all of Team 7 makes its meaning a lot more murky. She could just as easily be reminising about the"good old days" when they were still a team and wishing it could be was just as before. The four of them doing missions together as a team. There is not any solid evidence that she is focusing specifically on Sasuke to the exclusion of all other things. I'd be a tad more receptive of the claim had she said "Sasuke" (like Naruto did) or if the picture had been only of him. It's certainly far removed from a open declaration of love. Given what just happened, its probably a combination of longing about what used to for Team 7 as a whole and being upset about Sasuke's current course of actions. Especially when compared to Naruto's reminising which does appear to be more focused on Sasuke. Nonetheless, it's a vast overstatement to say this is solid proof she is in love (as opposed to simply loving him) with him and that makes SasuSaku canon

I completely disagree with the moon argument. I have my doubts that its a reference to 181. I suspect its intent is to increase the overall dramatic effect as I have seen this type of scene occur "under the moon" in various animes. Second, Naruto is looking to the same sky and comments about a shooting star. This combination makes me believe it's intended to increase the drama of the scene itself as opposed to any reference to previous chapters.

I agree with Arsene, the resolution of all this probably will not occur until the time the series ends or at leastt very close to it. On when this resolution takes place will I be willing to call anything canon.

[Arsene]

Got an argument from Spork Ninja. Let the sparks fly!

Oh my gawd. I try to avoid these threads because usually it's just a bunch of tards spammin each other, but I feel like a pro-NaruHina+SasuSaku/anti-NaruSaku rant right now.


I think the question that we have to ask ourselves is what would be the purpose of a NaruSaku relationship? Simple. Teamwork.

From the very beginning of the series we get "teamwork, protecting others, etc" thrown right in our face. The original Team 7 we see to say the least is not very skilled in that area. You have the rivalry relationship between Naruto and Sasuke, Sakura's shallow crush on Sasuke...but what is the relationship of Naruto and Sakura? One could say Sakura's misguided feelings towards Naruto's true feelings, but...

In truth, the subtle relationship that Naruto and Sakura share from the beginning is a competition to get Sasuke's attention. Don't believe me? Kishimoto said this himself in one of his interviews. Sakura thinks that Naruto will never be able to understand her feelings, he is just an obstacle in her way to Sasuke's attention. Likewise, Naruto selfishly wishes for Sakura's acknowledgment just so he can be Sasuke's rival.

The answer to how Naruto and Sakura's relationship has grown from this time has been so gosh darn obvious. Kishimoto, instead of changing relationships in this story, strengthens them. Naruto and Sasuke go from being rivals to best friends, Sakura goes from having a shallow crush to caring more about Sasuke than her actual feelings ( and Sasuke acknowledging her as an important person)... and Naruto and Sakura working and helping each other with their relations with Sasuke.

Naruto learned to accept and acknowledge Sakura's feelings for Sasuke. Likewise, in "The promise of a lifetime" Sakura knew that Naruto finally understood those feelings. He wasn't trying to mar her relationship with Sasuke, he was trying to help it. They both share a common goal: to bring Sasuke back.

Changing the relationship of Naruto and Sakura into a romantic one would totally contradict the growing relationship that they have shared thus far. Who says Sakura's deep feelings for Naruto have to be romantic based? And who says Naruto's feelings for Sakura's were romantic to begin with?

Oh, and if you think Sakura doesn't care about lil' Sasuke-kun anymore... go read 319 now. There's such a thing called "concealing painful feelings". Did you honestly think timeskip Sakura was going to go around and say "OMG I LURVE SASUKE-KUN...LET US SAVE HIM!" every single second? Sakura's heart is in deep conflict and pain...she wants to go back to the way things were. Definitely not wanting her to change her relationships with both Sasuke AND Naruto. Sakura is a mature girl, she's no longer the squealing fanbrat she was in part 1.

Remember that she said she'll save them BOTH. It doesn't go "fall in love with Naruto and save him, and then just kind of go along and save Sasuke". If her feelings for Sasuke turn into platonic ones, then there is a huge bond broken there. Sasuke and Sakura's relationship was totally built upon Sakura's romantic feelings for him and Sasuke slowly growing to care for her...and if that is broken, well, that's called poor character development. On the other SasuSaku would not damage or destroy Naruto and Sakura's relationship...hell, it's what strengthened it!
The common goal of Sasuke.

And Hinata? It's not over until it's OVER. I'd like to think that Kishi wasn't wasting his time and *randomly inserting Hinata here* before the Neji battle and 238. True, Hinata has not spent a huge amount of time in Naruto's life, and is not one of his "important people". However, analyzing the moments that they have spent together, it is obvious that Hinata has impacted Naruto's life, and he has impacted hers. Naruto was the reason for Hinata's character development, and I doubt Kishimoto is going to throw it away because "a silly little crush". Would a silly little crush give Naruto the confidence to tackle his obstacles and make him believe in himself? If Naruto didn't give a kitten about her, then why would he make a friggin' blood oath to avenge her? Kishimoto doesn't stick kitten in the story...there's no such thing as a coincidence. 238 confirmed that Hinata was going to have a big purpose in the story: her continuing story to change herself and be acknowledged by Naruto. Her feelings are there, but she's not ready yet. As the databook says: when will the day come when she can face him directly? Whether Naruto can return Hinata's feelings, I do not know, but Hinata's purpose is to get the one she YEARNS for to notice her. She just doesn't want acknowledgment. If she did, she would've been happy as she was before the Neji battle. But she wants more than that. It's NaruHina or bust. If Naruto rejects Hinata, then there goes her character development. And Hinata is the only person Naruto can be with without destroying the bonds between other characters.

And that's all for today! So spork me if you agree or disagree ^^

Link:

http://forums.naruto...=125615&page=10

Also, this banner makes no sense. Human beings do not blush unless they are embarrased, nervous, or attracted to someone. She would not blush unless Yamato actually finished the sentence. Her eyes looked much like a "You Knew?" type expression (or a mix of curiosity and shock) and she cried when Naruto woke up since she is still uncertain about her feelings and unwilling to confess unless she was certain about her feelings. Yamato then commented "Heh..Why are you crying, Sakura?"

Is Sakura in love with Naruto? No. Love takes time to develop through intimacy and commitment, both which take time. Does she have romantic feelings for him? Yes and it has been hinted quite a bit. Remember the "sparkling girl's feeling" quote?

[shisui2006]

Usually romance is about the development of feelings on both people's parts. Where's the development when one of them has felt the same about the other since the beginning and the other has not contemplated them as a romantic interest...especially when others brough their "romance" up?

I find this funny that the bolded portion came from an Anti-NaruSaku Pro-NaruHina/SasuSaku fan. The last part though he's dead wrong there a plenty of canon/near-canon pairings in which characters outside the relationship had come to their own interpretation that there was chemistry between the two. Examples include:
Kaoru/Kenshin
Yusuke/Keiko
Inuyasha/Kagome
Rukia/Ichigo
Just to name a few.

And all the Anti-NaruSaku banners are stupid they don't make any sense. I don't remember many NaruSaku fans going OMG NARUSAKU IS CANON! It just seemed kinda obvious what Yamato was going to say. And another thing whoever said she was blushing when he said that? Sometimes they just make stuff up. (She was sweating though, they edited that out when they made the banner)

[Sono]

Jesus Christ. SasuSaku fans are literally charging up at ANY hint at all just to say that their pairing is cannon. It's really annoying.

Also, about the banner: It's really wrong to spite others in desperation. I don't see people walking around with Anti-SasuSaku banners or Anti-NaruHina banners.

[Arsene]

Jesus Christ. SasuSaku fans are literally charging up at ANY hint at all just to say that their pairing is cannon. It's really annoying.

Also, about the banner: It's really wrong to spite others in desperation. I don't see people walking around with Anti-SasuSaku banners or Anti-NaruHina banners.

I've seen some, but not many.

[Pyroneko 28]

Jesus Christ. SasuSaku fans are literally charging up at ANY hint at all just to say that their pairing is cannon. It's really annoying.

Also, about the banner: It's really wrong to spite others in desperation. I don't see people walking around with Anti-SasuSaku banners or Anti-NaruHina banners.

To be fair, Sono, I have seen a few Anti-NaruHina and Anti-SasuSaku banners. Personally, I'm against the concept of anti-groups in general.

Edit: Beaten to it.

[Nick Soapdish]

And all the Anti-NaruSaku banners are stupid they don't make any sense. I don't remember many NaruSaku fans going OMG NARUSAKU IS CANON! It just seemed kinda obvious what Yamato was going to say. And another thing whoever said she was blushing when he said that? Sometimes they just make stuff up. (She was sweating though, they edited that out when they made the banner)

I'm told that it's supposed to be funny by poking fun at any fans that put any stock in blushing, but I still don't get the joke. I see the poking fun at NaruSaku part, but that's it.

[Arsene]

Is anyone going to counter Spork Ninja's rant?

[Sono]

Woops, well I can be proud that I myself don't walk around with one I'm ashamed of those who do. Though I need to comment on the blush thing...

God... people are saying that "Sakura dosen't like Naruto because she's not blushing"...Wow. OKAY! Let's see, let me go through my book of "Common Sense For Idiots"... Oh, here it is! Let's see:

"When a legendary corrupted sannin otherwise known as 'Orochimaru' (see page 15,) is attacking you, your best friend is now in your arms after giving himself to use the fourth Kyuubi tail and his skin is burned off AND when your commanding officer is talking to you about your feelings with your comrade, you do NOT blush. Simply, in modern standards, if you meet these requirements, you should not be blushing and feeling giddy. Instead, you should be filled with a common emotion otherwise known as 'panicking' (see chapter 3,) and being worried for your fallen teammate."


...

Ah, there it is.

[Arsene]

Allow me to reinstate my question:

Is anyone going to counter Spork Ninja's rant?

[shisui2006]

Allow me to reinstate my question:

Is anyone going to counter Spork Ninja's rant?

Someone already did.

[Arsene]

Nevermind. I cleared things up.

[shisui2006]

Counter argument for Shriner on thoughts on Ch. 319:

Ok, if you don't want to think that Sakura is still in love with Sasuke, or that she never was at any point, fine by me. But is it necessary to try to play down and rationalize a way out of the fact that she is focusing on him in that scene? Of course nothing that is not blatantly stated can be said with 100% certainty, but come on, the whole chapter, I think, is very obviously focused on the impact and influence of Sasuke's absence. Why then, when the rest of the chapter is permeated with the latter, would one scene with Sakura be about something different when she should also be affected by it? That makes a lot less sense than a smooth continuity. Like I said, believe what you want about the nature of the feelings, but no need to try to explain away what you don't want to see. (I agree that SasuSaku is not canon, which I'm guessing is a comment that is being responded to; my response is only in dealing with the interpretation of the point of Sakura's presence in the chapter.)

How do you respond?

I guess you can't, Shriner pretty much hit the nail on the head.

[Hopestar]

I think people should only use these anti-banners to extent because there's some that really the cake.

Anyway at this point SS are using anything to point their couple even going to (what I call it) their BIBLE (better known as databook). They say it only annoys us because there's less NS in thereand thats yes & no. To me the text gives out more indicatation than the databook since you would already figure that out on your own.

For NH well dont get me started because they are (what I call it) TRAPPED IN THE CLOSET.

As of right now Naruto & Sakura are going through some things as they just failed to save Sasuke again (in Naruto's case anyway). He's far from what he used to be and comes to them with killing content and nearly destory them hadn't not been for Oromichmaru & Kabuto. So they are training to save Sasuke despite the dangerous road and trying to prevent the fate of the Sannin happening to them. However the Akatsuki are not making it easier for them as they are 6 bijis away from Naruto.

I believe after the Hachibi is capture thus encouter Sasuke again tensions will be high and by then we'll know where everyone is at. Naruto & Sakura would have to test their grwoth of power against Sasuke possibilty with killing content the aftermath is unknown however Naruto should be captureafter that since we all know he eventually will how might be a given choice if either he come to them or someone he cares about will die. Who knows feelings will be tense and if hints are clear maybe something will be reveal as its a rush against time in saving Naruto. At this point it would time for Sakura hold up to her promise in protecting him assuming their realtionship had reach a point of beyond friendship could be the turning point we all had been hoping for. Meanwhile Sasuke (regardless he's return or not) will assist since Itachi is part of the organization and takes part in saving his friend though he may lose his life in the end.

[Nick Soapdish]

Counter argument for Shriner on thoughts on Ch. 319:

Ok, if you don't want to think that Sakura is still in love with Sasuke, or that she never was at any point, fine by me. But is it necessary to try to play down and rationalize a way out of the fact that she is focusing on him in that scene? Of course nothing that is not blatantly stated can be said with 100% certainty, but come on, the whole chapter, I think, is very obviously focused on the impact and influence of Sasuke's absence. Why then, when the rest of the chapter is permeated with the latter, would one scene with Sakura be about something different when she should also be affected by it? That makes a lot less sense than a smooth continuity. Like I said, believe what you want about the nature of the feelings, but no need to try to explain away what you don't want to see. (I agree that SasuSaku is not canon, which I'm guessing is a comment that is being responded to; my response is only in dealing with the interpretation of the point of Sakura's presence in the chapter.)

How do you respond?

To what?

It's not a counterargument to what Shriner said.

Shriner said that he wouldn't say that it had no bearing on SasuSaku and simply held that it wasn't absolute proof that Sakura was still in love with Sasuke as opposed to loving Sasuke.

The response (if it's actually intended as a response to Shriner's post) also states that SasuSaku isn't canon and doesn't make the assertation that it's proof that Sakura is still in love with Sasuke.

Shriner's statement places more emphasis on the Team 7 aspect, but not to the exclusion of her missing Sasuke.

I'm not seeing a whole lot of disagreement here unless that person is arguing that Sakura is angsting solely over Sasuke and not the combined histories of Team 7. Sure, they're quibbling over the details of the degree and exact nature of her feelings, but IMO that is pretty ambiguous still.

[Nate River]

Say, Arsene, is this the same person who said "Yeah, its canon kittenes" or someone else. Second, is it meant as a direct counter to me, or something you found that just happens to be of that nature?

[Arsene]

Say, Arsene, is this the same person who said "Yeah, its canon kittenes" or someone else. Second, is it meant as a direct counter to me, or something you found that just happens to be of that nature?

1. No.

2. It just happened to be something of that nature. Still collecting info for the essay.