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[narusaku256]

I don't feel bad for neither of the villains especially Sasuke what ever they did they did it on their own the worst of all is Sasuke he doesn't want redemption and he hasn't lift a finger to get one he just says I DON'T CARE well Sasuke kitten YOU he chose his path on his own nobody forced him to it he had a choice so many and every time he choose poorly he had everything and he didn't even work for that like Naruto he had it on silver plate he had  respect , the girls loved him the entire village loved him yet he abandoned everything for the sake of his revenge while Naruto had nothing was hated by everyone had never experienced how it is to be loved he had every right to shunned the village and everybody  yet he still choose to work for a better future this is why i admire Naruto and love his character so i have zero sympathy for Sasuke for all i care Kaguya can chop his head of and i wouldn't care he can rot in hell for all i care ,

Someone please give this guy a medal!

[narusaku256]

hi guys just got out of the 354 thread the episode itself was pretty good my favorite part was the kurama scene but anyway i watched sawyer's 679 review and he bashed sakura yet again not surprised though https://www.youtube....h?v=o6dvg-TtvhQ

Kurama scene was my favourite too

[FireFox]

Someone please give this guy a medal!

You sir flatter me but thanks here is a gift for you 

http://wish-i-was-a-...undsme-arianrad

[DattebayoXShannaro]

Well, I like the new chapter.  I expected at least a little back story to be given to explain the sudden turn of events, but no matter, because it will eventually come.  The cover image was nice.  Sasuga Kishimoto-sensei.  I read a varying opinions on what the inspiration was, HTTYD, Lord of the Rings, a cross of both, Dragon Quest, and the like.  I'd lean more it's merely fantasy setting, with influences from all of the above.  That's why they give off impressions of those franchises.

 

Kaguya has appeared, and she is even more powerful than Madara.  I expected such, as a new enemy comes with new abilities, fighting style, etc.  Team 7 is basically starting from scratch.  They have to throw out what they think they know, and study this new opponent.  It's disadvantageous for them, because Kaguya is gunning to end this in an instant.  She seemingly transports them to cave with molten lava underneath.  I absolutely have no predictions on how they will survive this.  There is most likely a way for them to all survive, Obito included, but trying to guess the actually method is like finding a needle in a hay stack.  I'll refrain from having any predictions for this week.

 

I don't believe Madara is truly gone.  He'll appear again in some shape or form.  He still needs that one final chat with Hashirama.  It's not like Kishimoto to oust a villain without any kind of resolution.

 

On the subject of power-ups, I don't think Naruto and Sasuke will be getting another one.  They already got help from Hagoromo, by giving them his jutsu.  They already are essentailly borrowing someone else's power, because the situation calls for it.  The more chapters that go by, the more I believe they will lose those powers once threat is gone.  It makes no sense to have them borrow powers from the other sibling as some speculations go, and make them out to be completely reliant on another person's power.  Sakura and Kakashi should be the only people to get any power-ups, just to catch up.  I like the speculation that they will be the ones to meet Hamura the other brother.  Naruto and Sasuke already met the Hagoromo.  It's an appropriate balance that the two pivotal characters meet the legendary sage, and the two with no related ties to the situation meet the brother who has been excluded from myth, and history.

 

Really, why should Naruto and Sasuke meet the second brother, and gain even more hax powers to fight Kaguya, while Sakura and Kakashi, who stand no chance as they are now, are left with nothing, and just act as spectators?  That destroys the entire teamwork declaration in chapter 675, 4 chapters ago, and should be fresh on Kishimoto's mind.  Heck, Naruto mentions about using teamwork in chapter 678, though he had the joke angry eyes, but that doesn't negate the point, and that was one chapter ago.  It would destroy all the Sakura foreshadow in the latest chapters, about standing with the boys and proving Sasuke wrong that she's useless.  In the end, she couldn't realize her goal, and has to resign herself to being in the back.

 

Kishimoto is not that kind of writer IMO.  He's the one putting the most thought into his story.  Notice how he is making sure Sakura and Kakashi don't get any information about Madara and Kaguya.  Naruto and Sasuke got the important details from Hagoromo, about Kaguya, himself, the Juubi, and his sons, and how Madara's goals relate to them.  They fought Madara before Kakashi and Sakura joined them, and thus, know about his shadows.  However, all this information is being kept from Sakura and Kakashi.  Suffice to say, they don't know what the hecks going on anymore.  Even in the latest chapter, Sakura is asking who this women is, and how could she know?  No one's bothered to tell her anything.  However, I believe it's on purpose.  Otherwise, it makes no sense for them not to know this critical information.  Kishimoto took measures to prevent the sharing of information.  With chapter 675, when they should be giving important information, it's replaced with nostalgic team 7 banter.  In chapter 678, Sasuke being his jerk@ss self refuses to answer Sakura's question.  When we take this into account, it is by no stretch to assume that Kishimoto is planning to enlighten Sakura and Kakashi through another means.  Again, I like the speculation that they meet Hamura, because it does have a chance of happening in my opinion, because it qualifies as learning through another means.  Through this encounter, he tells them what they need to know, and gives them a much needed power-up to stand against Kaguya.  I doubt he will tie them to any people from the past.  At best, it will just be a remark in similarities, like "you remind me of. . .", but it won't be chakra migration like Naruto and Sasuke, because there's no foreshadow for it.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well, I don't know if Hamura would show up or not, but I do think we deserve an explanation on what happened to him in the battle against Juubi and why his part was erased from history. Not even Hagoromo mentioned him after the battle. So what gives? Something tells me his heritage connects to someone but don't know whom yet. What's funny is that we don't know much on not so far distant past people such as Uzumaki, and they have some strange chakra that also wields that scary jutsu that looks like the early root of Kaguya's family tree. So why.

One thing I want to comment is that Madara thought the plan would just put them to sleep and that's it, peace achieved. But now, we learned that they're getting the best dreams, only to shortly die later by becoming a Zetsu. That's...messed up. So I guess that tablet doesn't say everything. That still leaves Hamura then. Now we're back to Naruto's classic of the week: theories. So yeah, more perplexed than before. To think, we so close to the end, we still get to theorize on what's what.

[redrose3443]

I always wondered why no one on here, except Lucky, did chapter reviews or post videos about Sakura to show she's got fans and people who appreciate her. I can't do it, cause I don't have a camera or whatever. But I think it would be nice to have H&E people on youtube, putting up a fight against the hate. I know I would go to those videos for sure.

 

Anyway, I watch Swayers(sp?) video and it wasn't bad. Like yeah he got a little snarky with Sakura, but over all he just wants Kishi to do something with her development, which is understandable. It's really just the comments that are bashing Sakura, but I did see one person telling people to stop bashing her.

[Atheck]

Surely it's for more than just situational necessity that they received these power-ups. If the encounter with the Sage was arranged for only a one-time dealing so Naruto and Sasuke could receive a stockpile of arms and a history lesson then the minds of Hashirama and Madara would have never been probed. These people were being made aware of the events of the past because it's their birthright to know and to receive the titles of successors of Hagoromo's long-established motive for the world to know peace. They're the reincarnations of those who were intended to cooperate to achieve those aims.

To have these abilities removed would undo what Kishi has been building up towards since the beginnings of the manga. Naruto not only has become a symbol for the principals that Hagoromo strove to ingrain into the minds of people across the world but it's also thanks to him that Naruto was able to achieve his dream of surpassing the Hokages (as Kakashi noted a few chapters back).

Sakura and Kakashi would have no more of a stake in this fight than the common grunts fighting Spiral Zetsu were it not for the circumstances of them being part of the same team as Ashura and Indra's reincarnations. They're practically aliens in a personal war being waged between children and their mother. Sure, they might have a reason to participate in the interests of preserving the world and helping their teammates to survive, but is it really necessary to outfit them with powers just so they can give themselves a pat on the back and say that they have as big of a gun as Naruto and Sasuke? Why would they need to have an inexplicable meeting with the unspoken brother? So they can maintain a quota of balance that was wobbly at best and slanted heavily in favour of the others? Being able to operate as a cohesive unit and contribute doesn't necessarily mean that they have to operate in the same way as their teammates. Kakashi has his use as the voice of reason and strategical planning while Sakura has already demonstrated some of what she is able to provide a few chapters back (she's also a capable medic). They know what's going on so it isn't as if they're being kept in the dark. Anything they're ignorant of is having light shed on it by Naruto and if Sasuke has any exclusive information that he doesn't want to share with his allies of convenience then that's on him.

Any powers that Hamura might be able to provide, assuming he actually makes an appearance, would best be put to use through Naruto and Sasuke since they happen to be the closest to equaling Kaguya's strength. Practical reasons aside, you could also argue for the symbolical implications that it would have since it was two brothers who fought the Jubi and opposed their mother previously.

Edited by Atheck, 05 June 2014 - 09:48 PM.

[redrose3443]

@ Atheck

 

The problem is Kishi has been pushing for teamwork a lot, which can not be concluded unless the full team participates. Not only that, he made Sakura's goal to no longer watch the boys back, she wants to stand beside them, not behind and right now she not on their level. Naruto and Sasuke have surpassed their masters in raw power, but for Sakura that has yet to happen. We can argue that she surpassed her, but it's not nearly as obvious as it is for the boys.

 

Chatte posted this descriptive reasoning on how Sakura could be from more than just a normal family and get a power up. Also, if you go back in a few pages, when people talked about Hmura's name it shows interesting coincidences, that are hard to ignore. Chatte proved that a lot of things seem connect together if you look for it.

 

http://www.chattesgo...ne-last-theory/

 

Your reasoning does make sense, but there are things that just don't add up. Like the biggest one, if Sakura and Kakashi are of no use, WHY were they not put in the IT. There has to be a reason for all this, I'm not sure on Kakashi's role, but Sakura does have foreshadowing for something more than what she got.

[luffyq1]

Well, I like the new chapter.  I expected at least a little back story to be given to explain the sudden turn of events, but no matter, because it will eventually come.  The cover image was nice.  Sasuga Kishimoto-sensei.  I read a varying opinions on what the inspiration was, HTTYD, Lord of the Rings, a cross of both, Dragon Quest, and the like.  I'd lean more it's merely fantasy setting, with influences from all of the above.  That's why they give off impressions of those franchises.

 

Kaguya has appeared, and she is even more powerful than Madara.  I expected such, as a new enemy comes with new abilities, fighting style, etc.  Team 7 is basically starting from scratch.  They have to throw out what they think they know, and study this new opponent.  It's disadvantageous for them, because Kaguya is gunning to end this in an instant.  She seemingly transports them to cave with molten lava underneath.  I absolutely have no predictions on how they will survive this.  There is most likely a way for them to all survive, Obito included, but trying to guess the actually method is like finding a needle in a hay stack.  I'll refrain from having any predictions for this week.

 

I don't believe Madara is truly gone.  He'll appear again in some shape or form.  He still needs that one final chat with Hashirama.  It's not like Kishimoto to oust a villain without any kind of resolution.

 

On the subject of power-ups, I don't think Naruto and Sasuke will be getting another one.  They already got help from Hagoromo, by giving them his jutsu.  They already are essentailly borrowing someone else's power, because the situation calls for it.  The more chapters that go by, the more I believe they will lose those powers once threat is gone.  It makes no sense to have them borrow powers from the other sibling as some speculations go, and make them out to be completely reliant on another person's power.  Sakura and Kakashi should be the only people to get any power-ups, just to catch up.  I like the speculation that they will be the ones to meet Hamura the other brother.  Naruto and Sasuke already met the Hagoromo.  It's an appropriate balance that the two pivotal characters meet the legendary sage, and the two with no related ties to the situation meet the brother who has been excluded from myth, and history.

 

Really, why should Naruto and Sasuke meet the second brother, and gain even more hax powers to fight Kaguya, while Sakura and Kakashi, who stand no chance as they are now, are left with nothing, and just act as spectators?  That destroys the entire teamwork declaration in chapter 675, 4 chapters ago, and should be fresh on Kishimoto's mind.  Heck, Naruto mentions about using teamwork in chapter 678, though he had the joke angry eyes, but that doesn't negate the point, and that was one chapter ago.  It would destroy all the Sakura foreshadow in the latest chapters, about standing with the boys and proving Sasuke wrong that she's useless.  In the end, she couldn't realize her goal, and has to resign herself to being in the back.

 

Kishimoto is not that kind of writer IMO.  He's the one putting the most thought into his story.  Notice how he is making sure Sakura and Kakashi don't get any information about Madara and Kaguya.  Naruto and Sasuke got the important details from Hagoromo, about Kaguya, himself, the Juubi, and his sons, and how Madara's goals relate to them.  They fought Madara before Kakashi and Sakura joined them, and thus, know about his shadows.  However, all this information is being kept from Sakura and Kakashi.  Suffice to say, they don't know what the hecks going on anymore.  Even in the latest chapter, Sakura is asking who this women is, and how could she know?  No one's bothered to tell her anything.  However, I believe it's on purpose.  Otherwise, it makes no sense for them not to know this critical information.  Kishimoto took measures to prevent the sharing of information.  With chapter 675, when they should be giving important information, it's replaced with nostalgic team 7 banter.  In chapter 678, Sasuke being his jerk@ss self refuses to answer Sakura's question.  When we take this into account, it is by no stretch to assume that Kishimoto is planning to enlighten Sakura and Kakashi through another means.  Again, I like the speculation that they meet Hamura, because it does have a chance of happening in my opinion, because it qualifies as learning through another means.  Through this encounter, he tells them what they need to know, and gives them a much needed power-up to stand against Kaguya.  I doubt he will tie them to any people from the past.  At best, it will just be a remark in similarities, like "you remind me of. . .", but it won't be chakra migration like Naruto and Sasuke, because there's no foreshadow for it.

I feel like Sakura is even more deserving of a power up since she's explicitly expressed that she wants to catch up to the boys, while Kakashi hasn't. I think Sakura will have more involvement in this fight than Kakashi, because as you notice Kakashi has really emphasized Sakura and her impulses this chapter. And not only that, but there is a panel in this chapter where she appears right beside Kaguya (very scary).

 

Kakashi has already had his mini story dragged before the alliance showed up, and is still barely kept alive due to a half dead Obito. Right now, it just feels like Kakashi is along for the ride, while Sakura still has a couple of more pages left in her story.  

[Atheck]

Mythology arguments, while a good talking point for guessing what will happen, isn't a tell-tale mark for characters. I could argue that the cherry blossom, while having spiritual and cultural symbolism, whose association is with the shortness of life and incredible beauty, is a theory used to portray Sakura's actions as exceedingly noticeable but very brief in their appearances which quickly subside as does her presence when her teammates take back the reigns of the initiative.
 

@ Atheck
 
The problem is Kishi has been pushing for teamwork a lot, which can not be concluded unless the full team participates. Not only that, he made Sakura's goal to no longer watch the boys back, she wants to stand beside them, not behind and right now she not on their level.

Who is to say that the meaning for standing alongside Naruto and Sasuke has to be judged in a linear context? Her healing abilities certainly go above and beyond what most others have achieved and she's already proven that her medical functions can be equally as important as Naruto and Sasuke chipping away at their enemy.
 

Naruto and Sasuke have surpassed their masters in raw power, but for Sakura that has yet to happen. We can argue that she surpassed her, but it's not nearly as obvious as it is for the boys.

Your reasoning does make sense, but there are things that just don't add up. Like the biggest one, if Sakura and Kakashi are of no use, WHY were they not put in the IT. There has to be a reason for all this, I'm not sure on Kakashi's role, but Sakura does have foreshadowing for something more than what she got.

Which is the reason why I suggested that she and Kakashi take up the fight against any possible soldiers of Kaguya. It offers them the chance to extend their services and delay the army in a way that would help Naruto and Sasuke to keep their efforts directed solely at Kaguya. Zetsu with a power as great as Spiral Zetsu's or maybe even Black Zetsu (who managed to hold his own against a Kage and her entire squad) would make for a good determinant of where Sakura stands as a fighter considering who she's trying to measure up to.

I've heard some thoughtful comments about Sakura acting as the face of the common man's emotional reactions to these otherworldly events that have been taking place in front of her eyes nonstop. She is supposed to represent humanistic weakness and sentiment. That might be her purpose for being there besides acting as the occasional diversion and medic. Kakashi? Well, I've already expressed what I think might be some of the reasons for him being there besides having been dealt a bad hand of being stuck in the same ditch dealing with one opponent after another since he and Minato first told Naruto to go seal Edo Madara many chapters ago.

[Namaenash]

another thing about Hamura city... It holds a famous Festival of Flower and Water (はむら花と水のまつり)

 

I was always under impression that Kishi took some inspirations from Japanese culture, folklore, history and places. Same goes for his character names.

 

[spoiler='I know it may not be relevant at all, and the kanji for Naruto is different, but I can't help myself during my 2 weeks trip to Japan to spot this Narutõ and Sakura eki, thanks to the pairing goggles :) ]

 

 

Having said that, the chapter was ok. The shocking part for me was that white zetsu is actually made of human. Kind of referencing LOTR that orcs was once elf (if I'm not wrong??). To me it make sense actually and not an asspull at all. People may ask why did Kaguya wanted to build army? To fight against who? The thing is, if you're a ruler with such a great power as Kaguya, you would want to have soldiers and loyal followers to build your kingdom/world. To convert human to white zetsu means that they are no longer human they were, rather a tool and puppet to use not necessarily to fight, but to build your world and to obey you without questions.

 

I think Sakura role is depicted clearly in this fight: as a window for the user to correlate with Naruto world. She's meant to show how fearful Kaguya is. She literally trembled when Kaguya walked past her. It doesn't mean she's weak and useless (she should stay and make no move, otherwise she might get in a situation which may force Naruto to surrender, something all of us dont want).

 

Yet another setup chapter? Let's see how Kaguya goes...

[DattebayoXShannaro]

Surely it's for more than just situational necessity that they received these power-ups. If the encounter with the Sage was arranged for only a one-time dealing so Naruto and Sasuke could receive a stockpile of arms and a history lesson then the minds of Hashirama and Madara would have never been probed. These people were being made aware of the events of the past because it's their birthright to know and to receive the titles of successors of Hagoromo's long-established motive for the world to know peace. They're the reincarnations of those who were intended to cooperate to achieve those aims.

To have these abilities removed would undo what Kishi has been building up towards since the beginnings of the manga. Naruto not only has become a symbol for the principals that Hagoromo strove to ingrain into the minds of people across the world but it's also thanks to him that Naruto was able to achieve his dream of surpassing the Hokages (as Kakashi noted a few chapters back).

Sakura and Kakashi would have no more of a stake in this fight than the common grunts fighting Spiral Zetsu were it not for the circumstances of them being part of the same team as Ashura and Indra's reincarnations. They're practically aliens in a personal war being waged between children and their mother. Sure, they might have a reason to participate in the interests of preserving the world and helping their teammates to survive, but is it really necessary to outfit them with powers just so they can give themselves a pat on the back and say that they have as big of a gun as Naruto and Sasuke? Why would they need to have an inexplicable meeting with the unspoken brother? So they can maintain a quota of balance that was wobbly at best and slanted heavily in favour of the others? Being able to operate as a cohesive unit and contribute doesn't necessarily mean that they have to operate in the same way as their teammates. Kakashi has his use as the voice of reason and strategical planning while Sakura has already demonstrated some of what she is able to provide a few chapters back (she's also a capable medic). They know what's going on so it isn't as if they're being kept in the dark. Anything they're ignorant of is having light shed on it by Naruto and if Sasuke has any exclusive information that he doesn't want to share with his allies of convenience then that's on him.

Any powers that Hamura might be able to provide, assuming he actually makes an appearance, would best be put to use through Naruto and Sasuke since they happen to be the closest to equaling Kaguya's strength. Practical reasons aside, you could also argue for the symbolical implications that it would have since it was two brothers who fought the Jubi and opposed their mother previously.

 

This is where we disagree.  Kaguya stated this chapter that what Naruto and Sasuke were using was Hagoromo's powers.  Their powers are not their own.  Naruto most certainly won't keep the Bijuus inside him, and Sasuke certainly won't keep that Rinnegan/Sharingan eye he's sporting.  It's not their birth right as it is their duty to know the history of Ashura and Indra as they were the next ones chosen.  Hagoromo only gave them powers after hearing their answers to his question and finding them acceptable.  Plus, the situation does call for it as it's become blatantly apparent that you need either Bijuus, dojutsu, or given chakra from a legend to stand a chance against the current threats.  It was that way for Obito, with everyone still able to help in their own way, for Madara, and Kaguya is no different.  Having Sakura and Kakashi face an army of White Zetsu, disregarding that the White Zetsu will take time to make, would be just to please fans, and not to mention impractical, because it's two people, both at their limit, against an army.  That's not to mention the reservations they would have of taking out people they know.  If that's all Kishimoto spared them from IT for, it would be a let down, because their fight would be just fanservice and in the grand scheme, not relevant.

 

Also, it's not because of his power-up that Naruto has surpassed the Hokage.  There's more to being a Kage than just being strong.  Naruto, through his actions, have inspired the five countries to work toward peace.  No Hokage has been able to pull that off.  Naruto is to succeed where the previous generations have failed.  Hashirama as strong as he was couldn't get the five countries to work together for a common goal.  It's not the power-up that Naruto was given that he surpassed the Hokage. It has and always been his actions. 

 

Tumblr is so much fun right now LOL .

 

T7 were blown up like the Power Rangers

 

 

OMG!  I'm glad I'm not only one who thought of Power Rangers when that happened.

 

I think, if Sakura met Hamura, it would be when she's falling towards the lava and all of a sudden a white light in cases her and she disappears. Naruto will flip, Sasuke would be looking around with his eyes trying to spot her, and Kakashi will be in shock.

 

This is only a what if prediction, however I'm not sure Kishi is gonna put her on the brink of death, like the boys. Maybe she would fall into a large crack in the earth and be knocked out, with Naruto screaming her name and while she's knocked out, she meets Hamura. Just trying to find a logical way for it to happen.

 

Like this:

contrived circumstances

 

Well, Kishimoto has done it before, so I wouldn't be surprised, and if it's for a greater purpose, like meeting Hamura, I'm all for it.

 

http://ladygt.tumblr...992/ninja-quest

Oh god...Someone give her a global award or something.

 

It's cute .  Lady GT does it again.

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 06 June 2014 - 06:12 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

So wait, are you saying that Naruto and Sasuke won't keep that power-up at all?

[Strangelove]

Well, I don't know if Hamura would show up or not, but I do think we deserve an explanation on what happened to him in the battle against Juubi and why his part was erased from history. Not even Hagoromo mentioned him after the battle. So what gives? Something tells me his heritage connects to someone but don't know whom yet. What's funny is that we don't know much on not so far distant past people such as Uzumaki, and they have some strange chakra that also wields that scary jutsu that looks like the early root of Kaguya's family tree. So why.

One thing I want to comment is that Madara thought the plan would just put them to sleep and that's it, peace achieved. But now, we learned that they're getting the best dreams, only to shortly die later by becoming a Zetsu. That's...messed up. So I guess that tablet doesn't say everything. That still leaves Hamura then. Now we're back to Naruto's classic of the week: theories. So yeah, more perplexed than before. To think, we so close to the end, we still get to theorize on what's what.

 

By god, I hope Hamura shows up. Based on how things look like right now, Kaguya is way too powerful. So it is either.

 

A. TnJ

 

B. Some sort of outside help.

 

 

And I swear to God, if its tnj, I will stop reading the manga.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

So wait, are you saying that Naruto and Sasuke won't keep that power-up at all?

 

No, I don't believe so. 

[luffyq1]

 

By god, I hope Hamura shows up. Based on how things look like right now, Kaguya is way too powerful. So it is either.

 

A. TnJ

 

B. Some sort of outside help.

 

 

And I swear to God, if its tnj, I will stop reading the manga.

Once Naruto says something to Kaguya it's game over lol.

[rocci]

I don't think Sakura(& kakashi) will get powerup from hamura.
Tnj only effective if you have some similiarrity with the victim.

Edited by rocci, 06 June 2014 - 01:18 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
No, I don't believe so. 

Interesting. Though Naruto will be stronger than Sasuke and not because of all other Bijuus. So yeah...

[DattebayoXShannaro]

Every time I see the last page, I keep thinking the 3D Gear from SnK would be rather useful right now.

 

 

 

Interesting. Though Naruto will be stronger than Sasuke and not because of all other Bijuus. So yeah...

 

No doubt.

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 06 June 2014 - 01:28 AM.

[Otaru]

Oh god what will they do about that lava ? I can't help but think about it !