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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Agreed, however Sasuke being redeemed.... I believe his redemption will come through his death (doing something noble/heroic) not just him having a wake up call...

I doubt he will kill Sasuke i feel that the most plausible end is him going with Taka team.

[HauntedCake]

I doubt he will kill Sasuke i feel that the most plausible end is him going with Taka team.

Yeah maybe Sasuke will agree to disagree with Naruto/shinobi alliance and leave with team Taka...

[Branden]

Honestly...I just don't see how Sasuke CAN have a happy ending- except in a fictional world. 

I don't see how a man who was willing to toss aside the people in his life, Team seven, Team Taka can just heel-face-turn and go "Oh I'm not that guy anymore." Without making any REAL tangible amends for what he's done. I don't see him living a normal, peaceful life. It just doesn't fit with him. 

I also don't think Sasuke is done being evil yet, considering he's basically already threatened Konoha by saying "I'll take it by force, whether you like it or not." to Everyone. 

On the other hand, I'm well aware that these are my opinion's and more than likely Kishimoto is going to redeem Sasuke and that's that, no matter how cheap and unrealistic of an ending it may be. 

 

Maybe he's just finally grown up. I mean Sasuke not having a happy ending just seems like a tragedy. He's been manipulated all his life and now that he's finally got the truth he's on a better path, isn't that a good thing? I can understand him being on a very tight leash from now on, but if he can prove he's not a threat to anyone then I don't see why he can't live a happy life.

[Gravenimage]

I will agree with catsis' theory of Sasuke becoming a wanderer similar to Rurouni Kenshin but he will be traveling with Taka. 

[Shadow Wolf]

 

I wouldn't say that was the best analogy. First of all, a lot of people actually really like the taste of food their allergic to, they just don't like the allergic reactions that come with it.

 

Second of all, people feel better when they can discuss their anger. In this case, how 'unprofessional' the reviewers are by filling their videos with their own shipping agenda rather than actually talking about the chapter.

 

Lastly, maybe some people don't realise that the reviewer they're watching hates the pairing they like.

 

Now I personally find it odd how people expect Youtube reviewers to be professional or unbiased. These people are just fans with video cameras. They don't have a BA or any journalistic background, ofcourse they will say whatever they want.
 

 

I was sleepy and with an annoying headache last night. That's why I probably didn't make the comparison correctly. However, when you think about it...

 

-People do like to see reviews (food), but what they usually get angry with are the comments (reaction) that are usually made in said videos.

 

-Now, discussing our opinion of reviewers is not bad. What I do find difficult to handle is when certain comments are brought to bash either other fanbases or other characters, This has been happening frequently and most of the time, it brings two consequences:

 

1-Overall negative comments

2-Warning posts from the mods

 

I understand that sometimes we are not pleased with some comments, and we find it unfair that our characters/our fanbase is periodically targeted. However, why retaliate in the same way? I mean, if we consider ourselves the kindest and most level-headed fanbase, why not give the example instead of resorting to the same bad tactics other people use?

 

-As for your third comment, I can't deny that could be a possibility, but considering many people mention the same names over and over again (Saw7, VJ, etc.), that doesn't happen in a common basis.

 

Finally, your final comment is something I definitely agree on and which I believe would make our reaction to these reviewers less... serious (I can't find a better word at the moment; is just that some points they share might probably be biased and wrong).

 

Anyway, apologies for not expressing myself correctly. My main concern is that people are getting frustrated and that can retaliate in the tone of their responses.

 

Look, I agree with what you're saying but what matters most is Kishi's own perspective of the characters and their actions. If it were left to me I would have had not just Sasuke prosecuted but Gaara, Baki, and Konan as well. Two of those people conspired to bring about mass destruction on one or more nations and they are all guilty of at least one murder. People are going to disagree with the moral of Kishi's story but we have to accept that this is the course of action that he has chosen for the manga.

 

Whatever eventual actions Sasuke takes the rookies will undoubtedly oppose him at every moment which I believe they should do as Sasuke's heart remains apathetic and harsh as it did hundreds of chapters ago. He does not value the opinions of the people whom he should be attempting to sway if he desires the Hokage position. Even if Sasuke had committed no crimes and was not being pursued by the military of any nations I still believe that he should not return to Konoha since his lack of concern for its people or the village's well being confirms that he is only a liability in their ranks.

 

Apart from the fact that I agree with this point (well said btw), this is probably what mark the difference between characters that were villains in the past, mostly when we compare Gaara with Sasuke. The fact that he protected his whole village and is now fighting to protect a friend and to protect the world is what makes Gaara's redemption one to like (at least in my opinion). Sasuke, on the other hand, has not shown concern for the thoughts of the ones who were once his friends; and I believe this is related to Itachi's words. Maybe that's why I'm actually looking forward to the Naurto vs Sasuke battle.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Yeah maybe Sasuke will agree to disagree with Naruto/shinobi alliance and leave with team Taka...

Logistically though, how does this work? ( i'm not saying i disagree, because it's highly plausible that this is what will occur.) It's not just Konoha that he has to deal with, but all the other nations as well, and because he originated from Konoha isn't their inaction against his...willfulness going to cause frictions?

This whole, How Sasuke's journey ends seems like a HUGE minepit that Kishimoto has worked himself into. 

 

Maybe he's just finally grown up. I mean Sasuke not having a happy ending just seems like a tragedy. He's been manipulated all his life and now that he's finally got the truth he's on a better path, isn't that a good thing? I can understand him being on a very tight leash from now on, but if he can prove he's not a threat to anyone then I don't see why he can't live a happy life.

But he's really NOT on a better path, thats the whole problem. He hasn't really learned ANYTHING as shown by his "I'll take it by force, I don't give a flying flip what you guys say or do otherwise."  Not to mention the fact that he like a total spoiled, selfish child has the gall to whine "Oh I figured you guys couldn't let bygones be bygones." After trying to kill Sakura, Naruto ( Twice) and Kakashi, not to mention causing major trouble between Konoha and other Villages. He's learned NOTHING.

YES he's suffered, but not due to his own actions, and his own decisions. Not yet at least. Sasuke has suffered because of his village's, his family's and his brother's decisions and actions, but never his own. He HAS to be held accountable for those things because he was directly responsible for them. 

Putting him on "House arrest" Just doesn't cut it IMO. 

As for him having a happy life...maybe that's possible, but not in Konoha where (Probably) the majority of people will always look at him like trash, and as for him having a peaceful life...Even if he goes wandering from place to place, someone in my opinion will always be after him. 
 

Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 06 June 2013 - 03:41 PM.

[HauntedCake]

@Tsuki - Yeah, Kishi has really backed himself into a corner with Sasuke and is final destination/resolution.... It's probably going to be a troll fest....

[Branden]

Logistically though, how does this work? ( i'm not saying i disagree, because it's highly plausible that this is what will occur.) It's not just Konoha that he has to deal with, but all the other nations as well, and because he originated from Konoha isn't their inaction against his...willfulness going to cause frictions?

This whole, How Sasuke's journey ends seems like a HUGE minepit that Kishimoto has worked himself into. 

 

But he's really NOT on a better path, thats the whole problem. He hasn't really learned ANYTHING as shown by his "I'll take it by force, I don't give a flying flip what you guys say or do otherwise."  Not to mention the fact that he like a total spoiled, selfish child has the gall to whine "Oh I figured you guys couldn't let bygones be bygones." After trying to kill Sakura, Naruto ( Twice) and Kakashi, not to mention causing major trouble between Konoha and other Villages. He's learned NOTHING.

YES he's suffered, but not due to his own actions, and his own decisions. Not yet at least. Sasuke has suffered because of his village's, his family's and his brother's decisions and actions, but never his own. He HAS to be held accountable for those things because he was directly responsible for them. 

Putting him on "House arrest" Just doesn't cut it IMO. 

As for him having a happy life...maybe that's possible, but not in Konoha where (Probably) the majority of people will always look at him like trash, and as for him having a peaceful life...Even if he goes wandering from place to place, someone in my opinion will always be after him. 
 

I don't really mind if you disagree, I'm confident that Kishi will deliver a good story, so I respond to you the same way I respond to the other fandoms: just wait and see.

 

 

EDIT: replaced a comma with a colon

Edited by Branden, 06 June 2013 - 04:02 PM.

[Chatte]

Could someone tell me what's the exact translation of that part of HInata's when she said she's always been at Naruto's side. Seems awkward to me. I know I have seen it somewhere here, I think...but I can't find the exact page.

Thanks in advance! ^_^

[Tsuki Hoshino]

@Tsuki - Yeah, Kishi has really backed himself into a corner with Sasuke and is final destination/resolution.... It's probably going to be a troll fest....

Tell me about it, when you HONESTLY think about it, if Kishimoto turns around and writes that "Okay boys and girls, even though this guy betrayed his village, abandoned his friends and makeshift family, aligned himself with a traitor and a criminal, became a traitor and a criminal, attempted to kill said Friends and makeshift Family, then went on to nearly kill/abandon his new team, attacked another village and attempted to kill people from there, BUT It's okay, he's been forgiven."

What message exactly does that send to people? particularly the target age group? "Oh hey, it doesn't matter what you do, no matter how terrible, no matter how harmful, you too can get away without consequence!" 

I'm all for people being able to redeem themselves, but the problem with Sasuke is that A. He's not redeemed himself, he has not suffered for his OWN mistakes, poor decisions and overall just being a ROTTEN person.

No matter how this ends though, someone is going to be displeased. If Naruto, Konoha and the alliance decide " Oh what the hay! it's a new world, it's a new day Lets just wash all the sins away and start over again" people are going to be like "Uhuh....Right then."

And if he does die, people are going to be like "Oh what the flip Kishi!" 

 

It's just so, SO difficult to see Sauske just waltzing back into Konoha to live the rest of his days peacefully, or even just wandering from place to place without any real aftereffects given all that he's done, both because of the message that sends to others and because of all the other villages who may not be so forgiving after everything is said and done. 

[Branden]

Could someone tell me what's the exact translation of that part of HInata's when she said she's always been at Naruto's side. Seems awkward to me. I know I have seen it somewhere here, I think...but I can't find the exact page.

Thanks in advance! ^_^

Hmm. I'd also like to know this. Hinata hasn't been at Naruto's side and she knows that. I mean she's been stalking watching him all this time but not at his side....

[Don-kun]

Hmm. I'd also like to know this. Hinata hasn't been at Naruto's side and she knows that. I mean she's been stalking watching him all this time but not at his side....

Add me to the list I also want to know.

[sushi.]

Hmm. I'd also like to know this. Hinata hasn't been at Naruto's side and she knows that. I mean she's been stalking watching him all this time but not at his side....

Can someone translate the raw?

 

Hinata's words were based of what Naruto told her(which makes her more forgivable), but I heard it was a mistranslation.

[megi]

Could someone tell me what's the exact translation of that part of HInata's when she said she's always been at Naruto's side. Seems awkward to me. I know I have seen it somewhere here, I think...but I can't find the exact page.

Thanks in advance! ^_^

 

Can someone translate the raw?

 

Hinata's words were based of what Naruto told her(which makes her more forgivable), but I heard it was a mistranslation.

 

Hi! If someone can provide me the raw or at least the japanese script, I can do it ^^ I can't seem to find it.

 

*For some reason, I keep on seeing different scripts..

 

edit: found it!

Edited by megi, 06 June 2013 - 04:53 PM.

[HauntedCake]

Tell me about it, when you HONESTLY think about it, if Kishimoto turns around and writes that "Okay boys and girls, even though this guy betrayed his village, abandoned his friends and makeshift family, aligned himself with a traitor and a criminal, became a traitor and a criminal, attempted to kill said Friends and makeshift Family, then went on to nearly kill/abandon his new team, attacked another village and attempted to kill people from there, BUT It's okay, he's been forgiven."

What message exactly does that send to people? particularly the target age group? "Oh hey, it doesn't matter what you do, no matter how terrible, no matter how harmful, you too can get away without consequence!" 

I'm all for people being able to redeem themselves, but the problem with Sasuke is that A. He's not redeemed himself, he has not suffered for his OWN mistakes, poor decisions and overall just being a ROTTEN person.

No matter how this ends though, someone is going to be displeased. If Naruto, Konoha and the alliance decide " Oh what the hay! it's a new world, it's a new day Lets just wash all the sins away and start over again" people are going to be like "Uhuh....Right then."

And if he does die, people are going to be like "Oh what the flip Kishi!" 

 

It's just so, SO difficult to see Sauske just waltzing back into Konoha to live the rest of his days peacefully, or even just wandering from place to place without any real aftereffects given all that he's done, both because of the message that sends to others and because of all the other villages who may not be so forgiving after everything is said and done. 

THIS THIS THIS

 

[TouKen4Life3g]

Am I the only one that thinks she meant in power level? Not really the same, but you get the idea. But I guess a translation will be ok.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 06 June 2013 - 04:27 PM.

[megi]

Okay, I found the script ^^ I am guessing the line that everyone is curious about is Hinata's thoughts on Naruto. This is what it says

 

私は。。。ナルトくんの横にずっといたいんだもの！

 

This is translated as :

 

I...want to be by Naruto-kun's side the whole time! 

 

That's the rough translation.

It is referring to the thing that she wants (もの), which is to be at Naruto's side.

I hope that clears some questions ^^

Edited by megi, 06 June 2013 - 04:33 PM.

[Akashi]

Okay, I found the script ^^ I am guessing the line that everyone is curious about is Hinata's thoughts on Naruto. This is what it says

 

私は。。。ナルトくんの横にずっといたいんだもの！

 

This is translated as :

 

I...want to be by Naruto-kun's side the whole time! 

 

That's the rough translation.

It is referring to the thing that she wants (もの), which is to be at Naruto's side.

I hope that clears some questions ^^

Good luck, girl... 

[TouKen4Life3g]

Make sense to me, if you guys drop the pairing part.

[Akashi]

Make sense to me, if you guys drop the pairing part.

I actually wonder if she meant it in romantic way... I guess so.