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[CloudMountainJuror]

I honestly don't know how to believe this. From what I've seen you constantly portray Naruto in a negative light compared to other manga, CONSTANTLY say you are done with Naruto or have lost interest or dropped the manga, insult Kishimoto himself in 4 out of the 5 posts you make... and yet you keep coming back to discuss it. It's like you follow an American football team for a while and then it starts to do poorly and shows no signs of getting better and instead of just changing the channel and watching another team you constantly go on that team's forum and bash the crap outta it(after FIRST claiming you are done watching them play...but you will still tune in).

Your opinion is your opinion. That's fine. And there's no rule saying you can't post here. But I just don't understand WHY you have this need to have everyone think the way you do(I THINK we've started to understand what you are saying the first couple of times you started speaking. And I can't speak for everyone here but for me you kill the mood of a thread. It happened in this very thread actually. People were talking and sharing ideas and everything was good and then you posted and everything came to a screeching halt. You. KILLED the mood dude.

And for the record I can't take anything you say seriously because you can't come up with an argument for why things will never happen other than Kishimoto is a terrible writer(a subjective thing by the way.) This leads me to believe that the only reason you shoot down theories is because you believe anything that will take the manga in a good/better direction is unfeasible(what do you think of Chatte's well-thought out theories? Hearsay? Too optimistic? Do note I don't care what you think but seriously. She makes excellent points and points out funny coincidences and from what I get you want her and others to stop because they sound 'arrogant' to you). I may be wrong but that's the impression I'm getting.

Just wanted to quickly reply to this part of your post. I also am someone who's been incredibly disappointed in Naruto lately, yet keep coming back to discuss it. Why do I? Because, basically, reading Naruto every week has become a habit that I've wanted to break, but haven't succeeded. So when I read, I come here to discuss the series and post my thoughts (which, in the last 20 chapters or so especially, have not been very pleased).

Second, yes, Kishimoto is an inconsistent writer. That also dampens my ability to believe theories or predictions anymore because no one can really predict what he's going to do. Now, I haven't read any of Chatte's theories, but if anything truly awesome were to happen in the series... great! The good writer in Kishimoto gets more time to shine, then. But, speaking in general here, no one at this point can say that anything will happen for sure. Believe in the theories you want to believe, love NaruSaku as much as you want, but there are no guarantees at this point. 615, 618, and 627 are all wonderful examples of that. Those are strikes one, two, and three.

And that's why, in the long run, it doesn't matter if the good writer side of Kishimoto gets the spotlight again; the manga's already soiled with inconsistency and wasted potential. Every person getting shoved to the side (and Neji dying) to give Hinata unnecessary spotlight, the rushed-to-hell explanation of the hokage returning to life, and (the nail in the coffin) Sasuke choosing to protect the village from a combination of a big Itachi flashback montage (which got Sasuke thinking about learning more, but hinged entirely on what the hokage would say, which was a story that I'll get to in a minute) and the first hokage's story (which, even if it did have any relevance to Sasuke's situation whatsoever, why would he listen now? To someone he's never met before? Kakashi couldn't stop him, Sakura couldn't stop him, Itachi made him think and reconsider but ultimately couldn't change his mind, Naruto couldn't stop him, Gaara couldn't stop him, but some story time with Hashirama stops him right in his tracks? Let alone a story that was a history lesson barely relevant to Sasuke's character? This part of the explanation for Sasuke turning good just doesn't make any sense as to why it would influence Sasuke's decision, leaving the previous half to stand on its own, which isn't sufficient considering Sasuke wanting to make his own answer depended all on this story). Those aren't the only things that damaged the manga, but those are some of the most recent (and definitely some of the most severe) highlights.

Now for the kicker: even with all of this, I kinda love the manga. I love the universe it built, I love many of the character setups. Naruto was a huge part of my childhood, and it was a gateway for me into more and more anime/manga. I grew up with Part 1. Naruto will always have a place in my heart. And maybe that's why, no matter how bad the series may get, I'm still following it, still reading it, and still discussing it.


EDIT: Regarding the points I made about Sasuke's decision... read my next post.

Edited by zacrathedemon5, 26 April 2013 - 11:02 PM.

[Dkey]

LMAO!!!! I would die! XD My laughter would overcome my sadness that Sakura has become a RABID fangirl again!



I would likely drop the manga also. My favorite character would of become ridiculously bad, and I wouldn't care what Kishi did with his story afterwards.

Good thing for fans around the world making sure they make the story ridiculous so the author doesn't have to.

[StriderC]

Good thing for fans around the world making sure they make the story ridiculous so the author doesn't have to.

I would literally drop the manga if he destroyed her character with just that one pic. I would be DONE. LOL

[Dkey]

I would literally drop the manga if he destroyed her character with just that one pic. I would be DONE. LOL

Let's be honest if something like that would of showed up in the manga.... then it wasn't Naruto. The manga that we knew as Naruto would have been dead and buried.

But as a side note, even if Kishi is inconsistent or has flaws as a writer it's still better if he is left in charge of his story. No matter the ammount of asspulls and inconsistency it's his story and has far greater and understands it better than anyone.

Just look in the western entertainment business what happens when one franchise goes from someone to another.


I wonder what Star Wars will become without George Lucas ( regardless of the fact that he milked the series for all it had it was his story)

[sushi.]

No one could talk sense into Naruto(how to lead his nakama etc). Not Gaara, not Sakura, then Hinata saves the day!
No one could talk sense into Sasuke. Not Gaara, not Naruto, then Hashirama saves the day!

Just something I thought of..hehe. Dunno if Kishi noticed, or am I thinking too much? He gave an opportunity to the best chosen characters to do this peptalk Naruto and Sasuke needed, and at the end of the day two random people did the job. XD

Though I must say, I think Sakura will give a final lesson to Naruto, and Sasuke will learn something from Naruto at the end.

Gravenimage said something like Orochimaru will use the Kages to his advantage when his opportunity comes(Hashirama is busy with Madara). Maybe Sasuke's final redemption(after Naruto's talk with Sasuke) will be to defeat Orochimaru, it may even mirror Kabuto's defeat at the hands of big bro Itachi. Though I do think Hashirama needs help from the other kages this time :/ Not sure what to believe yet.

[MangaReader]

No one could talk sense into Naruto(how to lead his nakama etc). Not Gaara, not Sakura, then Hinata saves the day!
No one could talk sense into Sasuke. Not Gaara, not Naruto, then Hashirama saves the day!

It was more Kurama then Hinata and more Itachi then Hashirama to solve the two's problems.

[sushi.]

It was more Kurama then Hinata and more Itachi then Hashirama to solve the two's problems.

Itachi is the reason I find Sasuke's change of heart strange. He knew the truth for a while, said he hated Konoha even more etc, this was the same day..
Itachi made him question himself, but he only found the answer after his talk with Hashirama. As for Kurama, Hinata was talking to him first, then Kurama said "don't forget me, kid". I think Hinata was the spotlight of the chapter, not Kurama even though he contributed too.

Edited by sushi., 26 April 2013 - 10:46 PM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

I'm re-reading some of the older chapters to re-affirm what I said above, and noticing that... 627 may not be as big a failure as I initially thought it was. The first hokage's story might not have been about Sasuke's character, but about Itachi's. Everything is about Itachi. Sasuke still absolutely loathes the Leaf, but he's doing this for Itachi, and only for Itachi. The first just told the origin story of the village Itachi loved, and now that Sasuke's heard it, he doesn't want the Leaf to go down because Itachi loved it so much. Itachi is the center of everything.

I need to apologize. Sasuke's decision isn't nearly as badly done as I said it was. It isn't even a return to good (which is a relief); he's doing this for his brother, not for himself. He still hates the Leaf, but he's forcing himself to protect it because Itachi cared about it.

I'm sorry. I let all the other flaws that the story has built up recently affect my judgment of this particular event. Kishimoto's been doing horribly, but Sasuke's decision isn't an example of that. Is it a bad storytelling choice to have all that buildup of Sasuke being a villain go to complete waste? Hell yes. But in terms of making sense, this at least makes some sense, after looking back.

I dun f**cked up.

Edited by zacrathedemon5, 26 April 2013 - 11:15 PM.

[narusakurama]

I'm re-reading some of the older chapters to re-affirm what I said above, and noticing that... 627 may not be as big a failure as I initially thought it was. The first hokage's story might not have been about Sasuke's character, but about Itachi's. Everything is about Itachi. Sasuke still absolutely loathes the Leaf, but he's doing this for Itachi, and only for Itachi. The first just told the origin story of the village Itachi loved, and now that Sasuke's heard it, he doesn't want the Leaf to go down because Itachi loved it so much. Itachi is the center of everything.

I need to apologize. Sasuke's decision isn't nearly as badly done as I said it was. It isn't even a return to good at all (which is a relief); he's doing this for his brother, not for himself. He still hates the Leaf, but he's forcing himself to protect it because Itachi cared about it.

I'm sorry. I let all the other flaws that the story has built up recently affect my judgment of this particular event. Kishimoto's been doing horribly, but Sasuke's decision isn't an example of that. Is it a bad storytelling choice to have all that buildup of Sasuke being a villain go to complete waste? Hell yes. But in terms of making sense, this at least makes some sense, after looking back.

I dun f**cked up.

That is a good point , but there still is one issue . If Sasuke really wants to protect the village , for whatever reason , how will the Naruto vs Sasuke fight come about ? What else other than Sasuke attacking the village could make Naruto want to fight him ? Naruto has shown that he is willing to go very far for Sasuke so atm I for one can not see any reason left for them to fight in the end ...

[Kadardi]

Being a member of this forum since it's early years... it's painful to watch the overzealous overreaction that's been happening lately....



Anyway, while I doubt it'll happen, I still wished 2 or three members of the 11 would also die either during the battles or after. Watching how Naruto deals with it is something I'd find interesting. The bitter reality of war and all that Gundam stuff.... Of course, this is a more optimistic series, anyway, even though it does delve into the effects of war on a person's mental health.

Yeah the doubting periods are kinda hard to read. I mean it's understandable to look at it from all sides from time to time because that does help of course. But sometimes I don't understand how anyone can think the negative conclusion is right compared to the positive conclusion. Especially for these last two chapters where nothing Anti-NS was shown. But I hope you guys regain your confidence soon and with this new volume try not to fret so much unless something obviously/reasonably anti-NS show up.

Lol picturing Shino going out in a buggy blaze of glory. I don't mind either way if more people die or not but I can guess that all of Team 10 is safe. Can you imagine the effect on Sakura if Ino was killed? Team Guy is pretty open...especially Lee and Guy I think(I mean Tenten too but she survived the banana fan so she's fine). Team 8 wise...I just don't want anyone close to Hinata killed again . But Shino should be up for grabs lol.

@Kadardi: Why were you anti NS? or when you say anti NS you refer to shipping something else?

I was in love with the friendship between Naruto and Sakura but put off by the romance. It's kinda hard to explain but as noble as Naruto's love for Sakura was I thought they had more chemistry on a friendship level(noooooo not sibling/family. Friendship). I did recognize the romantic potential however which is why I looked at the Anti-NS side to find good arguments.

It was hard to find them between all the 'Naruto doesn't love Sakura anymore', 'Sakura cares about Sasuke more than Naruto', 'Their relationship is all about SASUKE. Other than him they have nothing together', and of course bashing/twisting character motivations and intentions(one argument I saw was this: During the bench scene Naruto liked Sakura because they both wanted acknowledgment from SASUKE. That pissed me off because at that point 1) Naruto didn't even want to be on Sasuke's team. 2) He said nothing about Sasuke and it clearly implied that it was because they both sought acknowledgement from the people they cared about. and 3) It was incredibly obvious that he wanted to impress Sakura and his whole plan was to learn what she liked about him so he could do it) and twisting characterizations as well(usually done with Naruto's parents but the entire cast isn't immune from this).

I am well aware that Naruto is deeply in love with Sakura and Sakura's feelings are ambiguous, I was just wondering how likely it was they would still end up as friends DESPITE that. But I couldn't find much there either because most of those arguments involved SasuSaku as the main argument or the things I said above. I met some people who felt the same way I do and they said they were just gonna hope. I was fine with doing that too but see this pairing war...it's kinda big. And I found myself defending Naruto's and Sakura's relationship in general against naysayers.

Sooooo here I am, looking for arguments for why ultimately a romance between Naruto and Sakura is better for the both of them than close friendship. Does that answer your question?

EDIT: Forgot to say I do have an OTP that conflicts with NaruSaku. But it has a chance in hell at happening so NaruSaku happening over it doesn't bother me(specially cuz there is fanfiction).

@ coolcatjas

LMAO!

@ sushi.

Don't forget Kurama! Hinata wouldn't have succeeded without him hehe.And isn't funny how if she failed we now know Minato would've came to the rescue anyway? Yet again?

Just wanted to quickly reply to this part of your post. I also am someone who's been incredibly disappointed in Naruto lately, yet keep coming back to discuss it. Why do I? Because, basically, reading Naruto every week has become a habit that I've wanted to break, but haven't succeeded. So when I read, I come here to discuss the series and post my thoughts (which, in the last 20 chapters or so especially, have not been very pleased).

I totally respect your right to come here and post. The one thing I couldn't understand is why some of you seemed completely set in your thinking that Kishimoto is not going to improve and that his series is trash now, and yet you come here week after week to remind everyone of this. If you aren't looking to change your opinion, then wouldn't be better to post your thoughts on a blog or maybe even an Anti-Naruto club? That way you could avoid making people feel bad and at the same time avoid people making you feel bad by calling you negative or something. tumblr is a really good place to post your thoughts and I'm SURE there are plenty of anti-Naruto clubs who think the same way as you.

And really like I said the main problem wasn't the fact that you dislike Naruto. The problem is that you and everyone else who kept coming and posting over and over again how much the series and Kishimoto suck and after weeks of hearing the same thing with no change(and even with chapters that seem good for this pairing) it gets grates on people's nerves. People just want to enjoy what they want to enjoy ya know?

Second, yes, Kishimoto is an inconsistent writer. That also dampens my ability to believe theories or predictions anymore because no one can really predict what he's going to do. Now, I haven't read any of Chatte's theories, but if anything truly awesome were to happen in the series... great! The good writer in Kishimoto gets more time to shine, then. But, speaking in general here, no one at this point can say that anything will happen for sure. Believe in the theories you want to believe, love NaruSaku as much as you want, but there are no guarantees at this point. 615, 618, and 628 are all wonderful examples of that. Those are strikes one, two, and three.

First I just want to say really fast that people have been making good arguments on why the manga is going the way it's going and some of those things are predictable. 615 for example, Hinata said she would hold his hand and she did. 614 is what surprised me since Neji like...got killed. NO ONE saw that coming but I'm sure quite a few people saw the Hinata hand-holding(and I think there were some sighs of relief in hindsight because it happened due to Neji and not because Naruto asked her out). But if you don't think that way that's fine.

Second I think we all know nothing is guaranteed. However if we just accept that then there wouldn't be anything to talk about right haha? Besides think of all the people who make predictions that DO come true. Must be a happy feeling!

And that's why, in the long run, it doesn't matter if the good writer side of Kishimoto gets the spotlight again; the manga's already soiled with inconsistency and wasted potential. Every person getting shoved to the side (and Neji dying) to give Hinata unnecessary spotlight, the rushed-to-hell explanation of the hokage returning to life, and (the nail in the coffin) Sasuke choosing to protect the village from a combination of a big Itachi flashback montage (which got Sasuke thinking about learning more, but hinged entirely on what the hokage would say, which was a story that I'll get to in a minute) and the first hokage's story (which, even if it did have any relevance to Sasuke's situation whatsoever, why would he listen now? To someone he's never met before? Kakashi couldn't stop him, Sakura couldn't stop him, Itachi made him think and reconsider but ultimately couldn't change his mind, Naruto couldn't stop him, Gaara couldn't stop him, but some story time with Hashirama stops him right in his tracks? Let alone a story that was a history lesson barely relevant to Sasuke's character? This part of the explanation for Sasuke turning good just doesn't make any sense as to why it would influence Sasuke's decision, leaving the previous half to stand on its own, which isn't sufficient considering Sasuke wanting to make his own answer depended all on this story). Those aren't the only things that damaged the manga, but those are some of the most recent (and definitely some of the most severe) highlights.

I personally believe the manga is doing just fine. And okay okay I'm VERY okay with the Sasuke situation because I despite NaruSasuNaru with the passion of a thousand burning suns so I let that slide*cough*. But uh, yeah I think you can find people who say all of that works out well for the story but maybe you don't want or care to listen(and I'm not bashing you for that. You have every right to decide what you do or do not read). But that is your opinion overall. Sooo yeah haha .

Do note that if you WOULD like to talk about it, I would be happy to discuss it with you here!

Now for the kicker: even with all of this, I kinda love the manga. I love the universe it built, I love many of the character setups. Naruto was a huge part of my childhood, and it was a gateway for me into more and more anime/manga. I grew up with Part 1. Naruto will always have a place in my heart. And maybe that's why, no matter how bad the series may get, I'm still following it, still reading it, and still discussing it.

Awwww that's so sweet! I respect you for admitting that!

Edited by Kadardi, 26 April 2013 - 11:24 PM.

[sushi.]

That is a good point , but there still is one issue . If Sasuke really wants to protect the village , for whatever reason , how will the Naruto vs Sasuke fight come about ? What else other than Sasuke attacking the village could make Naruto want to fight him ? Naruto has shown that he is willing to go very far for Sasuke so atm I for one can not see any reason left for them to fight in the end ...

Sasuke may have a change of heart, but does he have a change of mind? :3

What I'm saying is..his view on the world might still be twisted. I must wonder..how's his sanity as for now? He'll leave Konoha alone and seek world domination minus Konoha. ----Naaah, they'll just fight over their own versions of justice/peace blah..blahblah?

[shadow_Uzumaki]

Totally there with you zac, I did grow up with Part 1, as well.... Naruto led me to fanfiction, which would lead me to this site all those years ago. Still, I personally am not excited at the quality of the series so far, it's just become a habit to find out what happens next and how it would end. It's not really an attempt to say "Man, this series sucks/kishi's writing sucks," just my opinion on the matter. That's probably why I don't even speculate on any future chapters anymore.

I do acknowledge that Kishi HAS pulled some shocking swerves, like Neji's death and Sasuke returning to Orochimaru, as well as Nagato pulling a resurrection technique (something I'm STILL annoyed by).


I still maintain the belief that Sasuke is still nothing but a dog chasing cars.... He's always sniffing around for stuff and will willingly follow anyone who throws him a bone. He did it with Orochimaru's power offering, then he did it when Tobi told him the 'truth' about Itachi, then he did it again after the Hokages told him about Madara. I feel like he HAS no set beliefs other than "UCHIHA UCHIHA UCHIHA." or "What's the truth about that massacre?" I don't wanna do some Sasuke-bashing here, but it's what I feel.

In other words, Sasuke's easily led around by figures of power and authority...... Jeez, his dad gone and f**ed him up.....



Also, that Sakura picture can easily be seen as Sakura eager to pound some sense into Sasuke.

[StriderC]

I just realized how big Sakura's neck is in that picture. So manish. LMAO.

[Pink Chidori]

Loved a couple things about this chapter.

*Madara's rape face. He senses Hashi.

*Sakura finally reappearing. Shannaro!

*Heaven & Earth reference with NaruSaku in the panel.

So excited for Sasuke to show up. Team 7 reunion! I'm hoping for a positive one...Sasuke's been on the opposite side for far too long.

Edited by Pink Chidori, 27 April 2013 - 07:07 AM.

[tonga1]

That is a good point , but there still is one issue . If Sasuke really wants to protect the village , for whatever reason , how will the Naruto vs Sasuke fight come about ? What else other than Sasuke attacking the village could make Naruto want to fight him ? Naruto has shown that he is willing to go very far for Sasuke so atm I for one can not see any reason left for them to fight in the end ...

taka is still a wanted criminals, also the alliance( konoha) may distrust of orochimaru xD
That could cause problems ( like madara and konoha people in the past)

[tricksie]

The one thing I couldn't understand is why some of you seemed completely set in your thinking that Kishimoto is not going to improve and that his series is trash now, and yet you come here week after week to remind everyone of this. If you aren't looking to change your opinion, then wouldn't be better to post your thoughts on a blog or maybe even an Anti-Naruto club? That way you could avoid making people feel bad and at the same time avoid people making you feel bad by calling you negative or something. tumblr is a really good place to post your thoughts and I'm SURE there are plenty of anti-Naruto clubs who think the same way as you.

And really like I said the main problem wasn't the fact that you dislike Naruto. The problem is that you and everyone else who kept coming and posting over and over again how much the series and Kishimoto suck and after weeks of hearing the same thing with no change it gets grates on people's nerves. People just want to enjoy what they want to enjoy ya know?

Kadardi, welcome to H&E. Let's get off on the right foot.

You do not get the right to tell someone here that their post grates on everyone's nerves. You do not speak for the group, and no one cares about your opinion of well...anything! People just want to enjoy what they want to enjoy ya know?

If someone's opinion is up to your standards, then the only thing you have a right to do is ignore it.

This is a chapter thread. It is for opinions about the chapter. Not other posters. Only your thoughts about this chapter.

I'll be watching your next posts to see if you really are here as a new member or just another troll in disguise. *sigh, we've had so many of them lately* If you can't keep your posts focused on the topic at hand, then I know which group to put you in.

Edit: And for the record, anyone is allowed to come here and be disappointed with the manga. Every. Single. Week. Just because you've fallen out of love with the manga at the moment, doesn't mean you get booted from the community. H&E doesn't work that way.

[Nate River]

People just want to enjoy what they want to enjoy ya know?

I do not understand tying enjoyment to what someone on the Internet says.

This conversation has been going on this entire thread. And really, it's quite simple. We do not tolerate people trying to silence others simple because you do not like what they have to say. When you enter a chapter thread YOU assume the risk that someone will express an opinion of this chapter or manga that you do not like.

How many times does this need to be said?

[Kadardi]

lol oh dear the mods. Sad to say I saw this coming.

Kadardi, welcome to H&E. Let's get off on the right foot.

You do not get the right to tell someone here that their post grates on everyone's nerves. You do not speak for the group, and no one cares about your opinion of well...anything! People just want to enjoy what they want to enjoy ya know?

Whoaaaaa there! Looks like we're getting off on the LEFT foot LOL!

I know I don't speak for the group. That's why I put the disclaimer that I'm speaking generally and not trying to speak for those who disagree with with me. Wooooow......okay. But I care about their opinion which is why I posted.

And what pray tell, are they enjoying? That's what I was asking. If they don't like naruto anymore then why do they keep coming back to post their opinion but not discuss it? I already admitted I respect zacrathedemon5 for actually telling me why he came back. And I'm sorry(to him NOT you) if my post came off as telling him he should leave.

I wasn't trying to offend anyone other than Codus which is why I posted so many sorrys in my rant.

If someone's opinion is up to your standards, then the only thing you have a right to do is ignore it.

So couldn't you just ignore my opinion? And I don't think that works very well because it sounds like you are basically saying 'if you don't like this then shut up!'

Not being able to speak is what causes some people here discomfort(ESPECIALLY against Codus since apparently speaking out against him is a bannable offense). I'm not going to name names since I don't want anyone to get in trouble with me, but there have been numerous complaints about the recent negativity which has been building up since 615 apparently and showed no sign of going away(I say this with confidence because I've been lurking here).

I guess mod's word=law and all here but since the members are the ones who keep posting and have to deal with the negativity bringing their spirits down, shouldn't they have every right to complain? I mean seriously go back in this thread and you'll see two regular posters threatening to leave because they keep getting told how hopeless everything in Naruto is and the NOT the first time it has happened(thankfully they didn't follow thru on their threats but others have).

I don't see why you are okay with losing members all to allow some party poopers to speak their mind. Negative opinions are good I'm not saying it's bad that they disagree. But from what I've seen a good chunk of them serve no purpose to the discussion and are only posted to make people who were happy with the chapter upset. And of course, people who do get upset can't say anything because if they do mods come and tell them to be quiet and they should IGNORE the post. It is not a fun atmosphere if you feel you can't speak up because you, according to mods and the negative people in the first place, are being too sensitive.

Now of course I know people who have other opinions of the story(as in they don't like how it's going) should be able to post too and I'm all for it! But like I said most of the negative opinions here consist of 'You're all naive because a SS moment is GOING to happen and it will really hurt NS', and 'That will not happen because Kishimoto is a troll and will make asspulls'(said nonjokingly), and other countless bashing of Kishimoto(which I guess is okay here despite the fact that he's a real guy). Those don't add anything to the discussion they just serve to make people feel bad.

A guy named Shadow Wolf has a great idea that I think should've been done a while ago. Go read his post it should be right below the post of mmine you quoted. It's a thread where people can just let loose and talk about what has been bothering them recently in this forum.

This is a chapter thread. It is for opinions about the chapter. Not other posters. Only your thoughts about this chapter.

Ohhhhh okay so this:

The reason I have been keeping this up for so long is because some people doesn't seem to get it. Get what, you mean?? get the fact that not everything will go your way. And I recall some people who implies that should Kishi not do what they want, Kishi would be a lame-ass author. Wouldn't that be indirectly bashing Kishi?? another thing, does Kishi even kittening care about us here?? he doesn't even know how to jack up to the internet for heaven's sake. For all we know, we don't even exist to Kishi's knowledge.

and this:

Next, I don't mind people having fun speculating, but what I mind is the fact some people go way overboard to the point their speculations evolves into expectations. That's the problem with our fandom here. It's no wonder opposing fandoms starts to get the notion we're arrogant.

and this:

Meh, people are getting too excited and worked up for nothing over Sakura.

are TOTALLY okay? Or maybe you did yell at him but you don't want to humiliate him in public like you are trying to do to me(and James and Crimson/Baguette)?

Because really why not send this to me in a PM instead of stopping the thread to yell at me?

I'll be watching your next posts to see if you really are here as a new member or just another troll in disguise. *sigh, we've had so many of them lately* If you can't keep your posts focused on the topic at hand, then I know which group to put you in.

As I recall, the big troll was Crimsion who turned about to be another member here who was pretty well liked(and some people were sad to see him banned) and he didn't want to hurt anyone. Just inspire discussion and maybe say things that WOULD'VE been ignored had he said them as Baguette. I thought that was good(mainly because I see debating as a healthy and excellent way to make one think about their own beliefs and why they support them) but...you didn't talk to anyone about how his actions made them feel(not all of them were mad. Some found it funny and great.). You just banned him. Didn't even tell or warn anyone just banned him. Cool.

Granted I also saw I missed a few anti-NS trolls but I think you are misunderstanding the meaning of the word. Seriously.

Go ahead and read the rest of my posts and put me in a group(wtf?). I have a feeling that that little paragraph is all you read anyway.

Edit: And for the record, anyone is allowed to come here and be disappointed with the manga. Every. Single. Week. Just because you've fallen out of love with the manga at the moment, doesn't mean you get booted from the community. H&E doesn't work that way.

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuure. That's what i said if you read my posts. I'm talking about a specific kind of negativity. And please lurk a little I don't understand how you could miss losing members and all of the CONSTANT (valid)complaints here and not address it!

I do not understand tying enjoyment to what someone on the Internet says.

This conversation has been going on this entire thread. And really, it's quite simple. We do not tolerate people trying to silence others simple because you do not like what they have to say. When you enter a chapter thread YOU assume the risk that someone will express an opinion of this chapter or manga that you do not like.

How many times does this need to be said?

Actually if you noticed the beginning of the thread was going great until about page 4 when the usual crowd came in and brought peoples' hopes down. And then discussion continued normally until Codus posted that he thought everyone here was arrogant and everything stopped until Don-kun and I posted. Then things moved normally until Codus posted again. Then I responded and things have been moving normally since then....and now you guys have posted and here we are.

Lol in other words 'don't be oversensitive. if you don't like his opinion SHUT UP, IGNORE IT, and MOVE ON.' See how well that's been working out so far. And get a good look at the people who HAVEN'T been taking this advice.

Doesn't need to be said because members here GET that a opinion that is not glowing praise is A-OKAY(it is). What they have a problem with is NOT THAT AT ALL. It's something I shouldn't have to explain to you. Please either read more or please please please please PLEASE let Shadow Wolf do his thread where people can discuss things out.

...And so you don't get upset about this again. I'm ONLY speaking for the people who agree with me(or I guess care about what I have to say...which according to tricksie is absolutely 0 so I guess I'm speaking for the imaginary people who agree with me). If anyone disagrees with me then I'm not speaking for you.


I JUST now saw your second post zacrathedemon5 O_O. Wow dude I kinda don't know what to say haha.

Edited by Kadardi, 27 April 2013 - 03:22 PM.

[tricksie]

As I thought. A troll.

If you were truly concerned about the quality of the site, then you wouldn't derail a chapter thread and target other users to do it. So don't pretend you are here for some common good.

Kadardi, I'm not interested in your thoughts about any other users. And no one else is either. I'm sick of this crap bogging down our threads, and from the number of pms that the mods have gotten, so are a lot of the community members. Talk about Naruto. Seriously, how hard is this?

For the record, anyone on this site is allowed any opinion they want, as long as that opinion doesn't involve bashing or targeting other members. It's that simple. Really.

[MangaReader]

Why would anyone want to be negative or for that matter post about it? Not saying they don't have their own rights or reasons, but it's kind of a turn off you know?
Aren't any negative comments a form of bashing or is it because they don't mention names that the post gets a slide?

But you know what, if people wanna wallow, so be it. As I stated earlier, just about everyone is overreacting, the manga isn't down yet. Kishi has time to explain everything and has done so in the past. Sure he does develop some plot holes along the way, but who cares. Just like that, I will not EVER stop supporting the couple of which this forum was founded for and I will not stop remaining positive. There's no point in complaining, there's no point in being negative, things aren't always gonna go our way because we aren't the one writing the story. Once the stories finish and if it didn't end like we thought it should, that's the time I feel is suited to complain.