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[xxRomanceGirlxx]

I'm happy that Hinata wasn't the only one getting chakra... HOWEVER.... Guys, we really can't negate the context of 615... and Sakura didn't get anything either! >_< Naruto held Hinata's hand so much longer and appreciated her. he didn't do that with anyone else. Plus I dont even think hinata is apart of the plan (it was for ino-shika-chou) which would mean that Naruto grabbed Hinata's hand and then gave her chakra of his own free will.

And Naruto sent off clones to high five the alliance. the real Naruto is STILL with Hinata.... he never left her... And now Sasuke is showing up... Sakura is no where in sight... I'm glad we can breathe a little bit but we cannot let our guard down. It was Kurama that helped with Naruto's chakra so that means Naruto himself was the one that grabbed Hinata's hand, you understand? I'm not trying to be pessimistic here, I just want to be realistic.

I really hope Sakura gets chakra cause then we can REALLY say it may have been troll. But for now Naruhina was not trolled. Nothing happened/progressed but it wasnt trolled and its not dead. because if we call this a troll, then we are being a bit hypocritical in my opinion with what happened in 469. NaruSaku is not dead either of course. I think 469 was a bump in the road and showed Sakura caring for Naruto's well being over Sasuke. We just need to be patient...

I'm wondering what Madara's comment on Hinata was all about. :/

Well, he gave some chakra to Kiba too. And a buncha other nameless shinobi. Does that mean KibaNaru and NaruFodder-nin is canon? He did appreciate her and it made sense. Hinata helped bring him back from himself. If Naruto didn't thank Hinata for being there, I'd have the urge to slap him for being so rude (Yet I can't slap a mangaka's fictional character. ). I noticed that, too. I don't understand how Sakura was mysteriously absent from that chapter. This means something, but not sure what. Maybe because her moment to shine is soon? Technically, she wasn't. But from Naruto's reaction, it really did seem to fall under the category of tactical strategy. Whatever it was, I thought it was a very nice gesture from him.

Didn't Naruto just hold a lot of people's hand normally, not high-fiving them? Can't remember. I get what your saying here. I'm not very worried right now if I'm honest 'cause it did seem to me Naruto downgraded the importance of the hand-holding but I'm not shouting NH dead and NS canon. Not at all. Still too early to tell. Though I do still think NS's chances are still greater. Again valid point, but the problem here is the hand-holding is so ambigious. It doesn't indicate even the slightest bit that Naruto has feelings for her past friendship or that he only sees her as a "friend". Naruto did seem pretty generic to her and I'm not convinced yet that he doesn't love Sakura. Basically, while it's good to stay open-minded, I don't think we're wrong in thinking Naruto doesn't love her. Nothing has really shown us yet that he does. Could it happen? Yes. But there's not enough proof. All the romance was strictly from Hinata's POV.

In my eyes, it was trolled to some extent. The only way it could be completely trolled is if Naruto's feelings for Sakura were brought up. For something that's supposedly a NH pairing moment, it's seems a bit unsatisfying and degrading if Naruto just gives other people chakra right after. It'd be like Sakura hugging Naruto and then hugging several people afterwards. Doesn't paint it in a very special light, does it? I would definitely be upset, angry, and discouraged if I was a NH fan right now. 469 is probably the one thing that finally moves NS forward. It's basically Kishimoto telling the audience: "This will make or break NS. Figure out which in the coming chapters." I'm still anticipating some serious NaruSaku interactions after something like that.

I believe someone else on this forum proved the Mangapanda translation accurate. Instead of "missus" it's "young girl". Basically, it was just Madara being hilariously casual over Hinata's new surge in strength from the chakra.

[Zatheko]

Well, he gave some chakra to Kiba too. And a buncha other nameless shinobi. Does that mean KibaNaru and NaruFodder-nin is canon? He did appreciate her and it made sense. Hinata helped bring him back from himself. If Naruto didn't thank Hinata for being there, I'd have the urge to slap him for being so rude (Yet I can't slap a mangaka's fictional character. ). I noticed that, too. I don't understand how Sakura was mysteriously absent from that chapter. This means something, but not sure what. Maybe because her moment to shine is soon? Technically, she wasn't. But from Naruto's reaction, it really did seem to fall under the category of tactical strategy. Whatever it was, I thought it was a very nice gesture from him.

Didn't Naruto just hold a lot of people's hand normally, not high-fiving them? Can't remember. I get what your saying here. I'm not very worried right now if I'm honest 'cause it did seem to me Naruto downgraded the importance of the hand-holding but I'm not shouting NH dead and NS canon. Not at all. Still too early to tell. Though I do still think NS's chances are still greater. Again valid point, but the problem here is the hand-holding is so ambigious. It doesn't indicate even the slightest bit that Naruto has feelings for her past friendship or that he only sees her as a "friend". Naruto did seem pretty generic to her and I'm not convinced yet that he doesn't love Sakura. Basically, while it's good to stay open-minded, I don't think we're wrong in thinking Naruto doesn't love her. Nothing has really shown us yet that he does. Could it happen? Yes. But there's not enough proof. All the romance was strictly from Hinata's POV.

In my eyes, it was trolled to some extent. The only way it could be completely trolled is if Naruto's feelings for Sakura were brought up. For something that's supposedly a NH pairing moment, it's seems a bit unsatisfying and degrading if Naruto just gives other people chakra right after. It'd be like Sakura hugging Naruto and then hugging several people afterwards. Doesn't paint it in a very special light, does it? I would definitely be upset, angry, and discouraged if I was a NH fan right now. 469 is probably the one thing that finally moves NS forward. It's basically Kishimoto telling the audience: "This will make or break NS. Figure out which in the coming chapters." I'm still anticipating some serious NaruSaku interactions after something like that.

I believe someone else on this forum proved the Mangapanda translation accurate. Instead of "missus" it's "young girl". Basically, it was just Madara being hilariously casual over Hinata's new surge in strength from the chakra.

Yeah he did, he actually did palm to palm hand holding with ino shika cho, and since he did palm to back hand hold with hinata this makes the ino shika cho hand hold more intimate naruino narushika narucho is now canon!! lol

[4000TMNT]

I found this at Tumblr, is about Sakura.

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I was researching about cherry blossoms and their meanings and found interesting things:

“ In Japan, cherry blossom trees, called “sakura,” are held with the highest esteem. The ceremonial receptions, known as Hanami, are generally excursions where people gather to ponder the transient nature of life and mortality, since cherry blossoms are known for maintaining a short lifespan. This concept ties in with Buddhist ideals concerning the nature of life. In addition, the samurai culture of Japan also held great admiration for the flower since samurais (like the cherry blossom) were considered to have relatively short life spans and also because they believed the flower represented drops of blood. Nowadays, the flower represents innocence, simplicity and spring.”


“The symbolic references of the cherry blossom in China hold quite a different meaning than that of Japan. In China, the flower is associated with female beauty and dominance, as well as feminine sexuality. It ultimately symbolizes power and strength. However, within the Chinese herbal traditions, the cherry blossom is often a symbol of love and passion.”


“It is regarded as a symbol of a woman’s attractive looks and her ability to command men by means of her beauty and sexuality.”


But also found it:

“There is an old story attached to cherry blossoms that values sacrifice. It is said, that there is an Jiu-roku-zakura (the Cherry tree of the Sixteenth day), in the Iyo district. This tree grew on the lands of a Samurai for over a hundred years. When the Samurai became old, the tree began to die. The Samurai was very sad-looking at his cherished tree die. He was a brave and honorable man. Thus, he thought up of a way to save the tree’s life. He sat under the tree and committed the ritual suicide under the tree. This act gave the essence of the Samurai’s life to the tree. The tree within one hour of the Samurai’s death, on the 16th day of the month, began to blossom flowers and continues to live even today.”


“There is an exp​ression that, ~A flower is a cherry blossom, a person is a Samurai.~ It means that when the Samurai faces danger, he is not afraid of death, because, like a cherry blossom, he will shrivel and fall at once, without hesitation. To the Japanese, this tree represents not only ascetic beauty, but also transience melancholy, and the honor of graceful resignation.”


I hope this isn’t a foreshadowing that something bad will happen to Sakura.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Yeah he did, he actually did palm to palm hand holding with ino shika cho, and since he did palm to back hand hold with hinata this makes the ino shika cho hand hold more intimate naruino narushika narucho is now canon!! lol

Well, whatdaya know. I'm gonna say it. Naruto's offically a harem. NarutoxEveryone4Life. The most peaceful resolution to the romance subplot ever.

[AnimeGirl_123]

I didn't mean the comment was for her development, I'm saying that the comment proved that he doesn't feel that way about hinata, if he was really in love with hinata a comment like that wouldn't be COMPLETELY ignored, he would have shown something whether a blush or a comment back or some sort of face, instead the first thing he does it talk to sakura.

I don't think he's in love with Hinata. No way. Kishimoto would not show Sai's flashback of Naruto loving Sakura for kicks. It was to remind us that Naruto still loves her. Unfortunately we have not gotten confirmation from Naruto himself so people still argue it. So as it stands, Naruto still loves Sakura until proven otherwise. All Naruhina has is Hinata's feelings and Naruto acknowledging her. I am not going to deny Kishimoto is showing a bit more Naruto ---> Hinata than I expected but it's not proof he's falling for her.

Actually he did respond to Hinata - the "hell yeah" was to her question which led to Kiba's comment. I DO love how he spoke to Sakura of all people. Only natural. <3

Well, he gave some chakra to Kiba too. And a buncha other nameless shinobi. Does that mean KibaNaru and NaruFodder-nin is canon? He did appreciate her and it made sense. Hinata helped bring him back from himself. If Naruto didn't thank Hinata for being there, I'd have the urge to slap him for being so rude (Yet I can't slap a mangaka's fictional character. ). I noticed that, too. I don't understand how Sakura was mysteriously absent from that chapter. This means something, but not sure what. Maybe because her moment to shine is soon? Technically, she wasn't. But from Naruto's reaction, it really did seem to fall under the category of tactical strategy. Whatever it was, I thought it was a very nice gesture from him.

I think Kiba got that chakra from Ino... I could be wrong though. Yeah, I'm sure something big will happen with Sakura. After not being there, maybe she is in another part of the plan? I'm not saying Naruhina is cannon or anything, it's just weird that they held hands for so long and it doesn't really compare to Naruto sending clones to high five a bunch of others from the alliance. That is true though, Naruto is not a jackass. I'm glad he did thank her, at least.

Didn't Naruto just hold a lot of people's hand normally, not high-fiving them? Can't remember. I get what your saying here. I'm not very worried right now if I'm honest 'cause it did seem to me Naruto downgraded the importance of the hand-holding but I'm not shouting NH dead and NS canon. Not at all. Still too early to tell. Though I do still think NS's chances are still greater. Again valid point, but the problem here is the hand-holding is so ambigious. It doesn't indicate even the slightest bit that Naruto has feelings for her past friendship or that he only sees her as a "friend". Naruto did seem pretty generic to her and I'm not convinced yet that he doesn't love Sakura. Basically, while it's good to stay open-minded, I don't think we're wrong in thinking Naruto doesn't love her. Nothing has really shown us yet that he does. Could it happen? Yes. But there's not enough proof. All the romance was strictly from Hinata's POV.

He only gripped Shikamaru's hand and high fived the rest. You can tell because of how quick the panels were and the way it's drawn. So yea he did only high five them. Then again it would be weird for Naruto to be holding everyone's hands for as long as he did Hinata's. LOL! then we would certainly have a giant orgy! Same here, I agree with you. Anything can happen at this point concerning Naruhina and Narusaku. Now Sasusaku on the other hand has a very low chance... Well I shouldn't mention it but we will see what happens when Sasuke comes back. If Sakura's big moment has to do with Sasuke I swear I will be close to dropping the manga. Ok, maybe not. But it would be sad in my opinion.

Exactly, there is nothing that points away from Naruto loving Sakura. As you said, it doesn't show Naruto loves Hinata either. I can admit, Kishi could very well keep going with the Naruto ----> Hinata if he wishes. I just hope it would be believable and he better explain what happened with his feelings for Sakura. I agree that the hand holding now is kind of ambiguous. To Naruhina fans it sets up Naruto falling for Hinata and shows progression. To us we see no evidence Naruto does not love Sakura anymore. Yup, all romance was from Hinata. Now Kishi is pushing Hinata's feelings, HARD. This also concerns me, because I thought it was done when she smiled at Sakura hugging Naruto. Now we have Hinata caressing Naruto's face and lifting his spirits. I just wish we had Naruto himself say he still loves Sakura. Both the girls had their chance to confess, so why the does the main character Naruto not have the chance to confess to the girl he has always loved? I find it hard to believe.

Sorry if you feel like I'm flip flopping, to be honest I'm just writing my thoughts down pretty jumbled up here.

In my eyes, it was trolled to some extent. The only way it could be completely trolled is if Naruto's feelings for Sakura were brought up. For something that's supposedly a NH pairing moment, it's seems a bit unsatisfying and degrading if Naruto just gives other people chakra right after. It'd be like Sakura hugging Naruto and then hugging several people afterwards. Doesn't paint it in a very special light, does it? I would definitely be upset, angry, and discouraged if I was a NH fan right now. 469 is probably the one thing that finally moves NS forward. It's basically Kishimoto telling the audience: "This will make or break NS. Figure out which in the coming chapters." I'm still anticipating some serious NaruSaku interactions after something like that.

I believe someone else on this forum proved the Mangapanda translation accurate. Instead of "missus" it's "young girl". Basically, it was just Madara being hilariously casual over Hinata's new surge in strength from the chakra.

I would laugh hard if that happened. That's what I mean, if it was really trolled we would have had a Narusaku moment (like the 450 hug after Hinata confessed, that was a huge troll LOL). Instead nothing really happened... It was kind of neutral. There was no Naruhina moment but it didn't get negated as a whole if you know what I mean. It's still possible for Obito to parallel Sakura to Rin.

I'm wondering if Naruto and Sakura will ever talk about 469. Maybe they just forgave each other and pretended it never happened. XD Oh ok, good on manga panda's translation because "the missus" seems like he's calling Hinata something special in regards to Naruto. Granted she is his friend and he cares about her, but not romantically.

[Chucky-kun]

How to please everyone 101

A guide written by Kishimoto.

1. Introduce main character.

2. Add a bunch of side characters.

3. Final pairing: Main characterxHaremxYaoixHis female self.

[TouKen4Life3g]

@xxRomanceGirlxx I agree with you. That's how I feel about this situation. If I was NH fan, I would have been upset right about now. The thing is when you compare with Sakura's hug, that one has a huge point because Naruto still loves Sakura yet Sakura did the move, who is said not having feelings for him. For this hand holding, all it needed was a follow up, but it failed. Yes, Hinata thought it was nice and all, but Naruto is only thinking about people are doing it for him and he won't let them down. Naruto is needed to make this a romantic one, but it all got downplayed. That's why the fans are upset, which I can't blame them. Not even one color pages of them.

You shouldn't worry too much. You know what we need the most to be honest so everyone can be calm once and for all: Sakura. Seriously, that's the only antidote I can see for EVERYONE in here to be fully calm. Why? Because we need to confirm one more time that Naruto and Sakura's bonds are still strong and not stopped in the friendzone. As I mentioned so many times, the game changer (parallels for example) is still up for grabs. Hinata couldn't make them believe that she is Kushina's parallel or Rin's. It's all on Sakura now. But parallel is not the only game changer. There is many ways and Sakura has left open for now. The fact Kishi proves that he hasn't forgotten her means something will happen. Time is clicking and rest assure, everything will be clear by the end of the battle.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 18 January 2013 - 06:32 AM.

[Zatheko]

@xxRomanceGirlxx I agree with you. That's how I feel about this situation. If I was NH fan, I would have been upset right about now. The thing is when you compare with Sakura's hug, that one has a huge point because Naruto still loves Sakura yet Sakura did the move, who is said not having feelings for him. For this hand holding, all it needed was a follow up, but it failed. Yes, Hinata thought it was nice and all, but Naruto is only thinking about people are doing it for him and he won't let them down. Naruto is needed to make this a romantic one, but it all got downplayed. That's why the fans are upset, which I can't blame them. Not even one color pages of them.

You shouldn't worry too much. You know what we need the most to be honest so everyone can be calm once and for all: Sakura. Seriously, that's the only antidote I can see for EVERYONE in here to be fully calm. Why? Because we need to confirm one more time that Naruto and Sakura's bonds are still strong and not stopped in the friendzone. As I mentioned so many times, the game changer (parallels for example) is still up for grabs. Hinata couldn't make them believe that she is Kushina's parallel or Rin's. It's all on Sakura now. But parallel is not the only game changer. There is many ways and Sakura has left open for now. The fact Kishi proves that he hasn't forgotten her means something will happen. Time is clicking and rest assure, everything will be clear by the end of the battle.

I couldn't agree more, kishi saying that she is still one of the main heroes is enough for me to know something big will come from somewhere down the line, I just can't wait for it to happen!

[AnimeGirl_123]

I would be upset as a NH fan too but apparently they aren't. I've seen the exact opposite! Most of them are just fine with what happened and it's because of the reasons I mentioned above. I mean I guess it's ok, because things just went back to normal you know, the purpose: the war. The pairings stuff seems to be put on hold again.

Sakura... I miss you so much!

Lets be honest, Naruhina didn't get a murder attempt at least.

Edited by AnimeGirl_123, 18 January 2013 - 06:43 AM.

[fireandice]

To anybody worried about Madara's 'little missus' comment in the Mangastream translation...

The actual words Madara used are: 小娘

Breaking it down, 小 means 'small' 'little' and applied to people or animals, can also mean 'young'.

娘 simply means 'woman' or 'girl'. Any specifics it has are only in the sense that no one would use it to refer to an old woman, nor a really young child.

Hence, I doubt it's meaning is in the colloquial sense of girlfriend or wife

To be sure, Kishi has made it obvious Hinata hasn't let go of her feelings of Naruto...But tbh, one of her key traits is her admiration of Naruto. So naturally whenever her thoughts are written out it's almost always romantic.

From a story-telling POV, NaruHina just seems too...easy. Like Hinata is alr enamoured with Naruto. He just has to reciprocate her feelings. It seems too easy, when this entire manga is built around overcoming obstacles. Whereas NaruSaku, although Naruto quite obviously loves Sakura, has more complex issues. Naruto is still convinced Sakura loves Sasuke, and the entire Sasuke thing is linked to his sense of failure to fulfill his promise. Sakura is still plagued by an attachment to Sasuke and is not sure what she feels about Naruto. That sort of complexity to me, provides the most interesting resolution, rather than the easy NH and SS.

P.S guys let's give Sasuke some love temporarily. He saved us from the NH colour page didn't he? Actually seems to me Kishi went out of his way to avoid giving NH additional attention... He could have put Hinata on the colour cover or colour page. But he goes and wedges in Sasuke instead.

Edited by fireandice, 18 January 2013 - 06:58 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I would be upset as a NH fan too but apparently they aren't. I've seen the exact opposite! Most of them are just fine with what happened and it's because of the reasons I mentioned above. I mean I guess it's ok, because things just went back to normal you know, the purpose: the war. The pairings stuff seems to be put on hold again.

Sakura... I miss you so much!

Lets be honest, Naruhina didn't get a murder attempt at least.

Well sure. Like us, keep it all together. Don't think the negative. At least not yet for any one of us. To be honest, I do believe this arc is the deciding factor for NH vs. NS. Again, if you get Naruto confirming his love for Sakura, hate to say it but game over man. Game over. You don't have to agree with me in this. The thing is that in this arc, Naruto has the ball. It's time to see where Kishi is going. But like you said, NS has tons of development, so for now, the future is looking good once again. I believed this chapter is proven that not only Kishi remembers his (side) characters, but he also tackles everyone's thoughts and feelings. It's all closing for all of them. So yeah, this is the final shot for Hinata. Time is ticking.

[merryGOflava]

I'm glad we are all calm now

but, just as some said,

i'd feel alot better once sakura comes back.

i know kishi hasn't forgotten her, cause we've seen her around, whether she is just in a little panel hanging or on a color page.

kishi is waiting to use her, and hopefully it's in the next chapters.

[James S Cassidy]

I don't know why some are afraid of NaruHina at this point in time. I mean, I can't see it anymore. I really can't. There has been at least three occasions where not only could Naruto have changed his feelings for Hinata on the page, but he could have even expressed his interest in her. He has not and I don't think he ever will.

This moment in 616...to me, it sealed the deal that NH is not going to be it. Everyone, even us, thought this was going to be some big romantic scene between them and as usual it turns into a huge nothing. Yeah, Hinata got one more shot in the spotlight, but nothing else came of it. Now we find ourselves debating over editor's notes and the "context" of the scene and putting their fears to the page.

How do you know that fear is not clouding your judgement? Making you want to see things differently. It is just as much as a possibility as being overzealous about facts in favor of you when none exist.

After he came back from dealing with Pein, Naruto didn't even attempt to confront her about it. He had the chance, but didn't. That was strike one in my book. Then he saved her once against Zetsu clones and he brought up the Pein Arc WITHOUT mentioning the confession. Never even acknowledged it. Strike two. Now 615 comes along. The moment that could have been as powerful as Sakura's hug and....once again Naruto brushed it off. Didn't even think, express, or feel anything in that moment for her. He was more concerned with Neji. (I guess NejiNaru is canon now too.) Strike three.

I'm sorry. Kishi had three very good moments to make NaruHina more than a possibility and he didn't do it. He purposely side-stepped it and said "This was all part of the great plan." Seeing how the NH fans reacted, they are also in shock that nothing happened. That's how I know this was the last really good chance to change Naruto's view of her and Kishi didn't do it.

I have no fears from now on. To me, NH is dead and 616 killed it. You can't do any better than that and come out with nothing unless nothing was supposed to happen. Great, Hinata got what she said she wanted from 573, doesn't mean Naruto loves her as shown he hasn't once thought about her as anything more than a friend.

615 could have been the one moment for NH and it became nothing. Honestly, I felt she got friendzoned much earlier, but still. Sakura is the only one who has shown change in her love. The only one with a hint of change. Compare all those moments of hints and ask if Naruto has had any of those. I can't think of one.

Side note: One thing I am really getting tired of is having my "optimism" come under scrutiny. The ones who stay positive are being criticized still and it's really starting to turn into a bad habit now. Why is remaining positive a bad thing? Why all of a sudden if you want to remain positive or optimistic, you are seen as a lower-class fan? I don't get it anymore. BTW, optimism and "ignoring facts for blind bias" are not the same thing. I myself am an optimist and even I can see what happened in the manga.

I would be upset as a NH fan too but apparently they aren't. I've seen the exact opposite! Most of them are just fine with what happened and it's because of the reasons I mentioned above. I mean I guess it's ok, because things just went back to normal you know, the purpose: the war. The pairings stuff seems to be put on hold again.

Sakura... I miss you so much!

Lets be honest, Naruhina didn't get a murder attempt at least.

Wow, NH fans change their opinions on stuff really fast don't they? 3 weeks ago they said that there is always enough time for romance even in the middle of a battlefield. Now all of a sudden they are saying the opposite?

We used that reason to explain why Naruto and Sakura have had no real romantic moments because there hasn't been time for it.

I'll never understand at all.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 18 January 2013 - 07:13 AM.

[fireandice]

@ James S Cassidy

Agree with you totally.

The way Kishi gives NH so many opportunities to develop but never follows it up is honestly telling.

I mean think the Pain arc...wouldn't it actually have made sense for Hinata to find Naruto and tell him "Thank you" (even if she wasn't bold enough to go hug him) after her dramatic confession? No, instead we get Sakura hugging Naruto in front of everybody, with Kakashi and the children blushing. And Hinata watching with a "..."

615 basically allows Hinata to "hold Naruto's hand" and "walk with him" without him having to actually reciprocate her feelings.

Edited by fireandice, 18 January 2013 - 07:07 AM.

[Zatheko]

I don't know why some are afraid of NaruHina at this point in time. I mean, I can't see it anymore. I really can't. There has been at least three occasions where not only could Naruto have changed his feelings for Hinata on the page, but he could have even expressed his interest in her. He has not and I don't think he ever will.

This moment in 615...to me, it sealed the deal that NH is not going to be it. Everyone, even us, thought this was going to be some big romantic scene between and as usual it turns into a huge nothing. Yeah, Hinata got one more shot in the spotlight, but nothing else came of it. Now we find ourselves debating over editor's notes and the "context" of the scene and putting their fears to the page.

How do you know that fear is not clouding your judgement? Making you want to see things differently. It is just as much as a possibility a being overzealous about facts in favor of you when none exist.

After he came back from dealing with Pein, Naruto didn't even attempt to confront her about it. He had the chance, but didn't That was strike one in my book. Then he saved her once against Zetsu clones and he brought up the Pein Arc WITHOUT mentioning the confession. Never even acknowledged it. Strike two. Now 615 comes along. The moment that could have been as powerful as Sakura's hug and....once again Naruto brushed it off. Didn't even think, express, or feel anything in that moment for her. He was more concerned with Neji. (I guess NejiNaru is canon now too.) Strike three.

I'm sorry. Kishi has three very good moments to make NaruHina more than a possibility and he didn't do it. He purposely side-stepped it and said "This was all part of the great plan." Seeing how the NH fans reacted, they are also in shock that nothing happened. That's how I know this was the last really good chance to change Naruto's view of her and Kishi didn't do it.

I have no fears from now on. To me, NH is dead and 616 killed it. You can't do any better than that and come out with nothing unless nothing was supposed to happen. Great, Hinata got what she said she wanted from 573, doesn't mean Naruto loves her as shown he hasn't once thought about as anything more than a friend.

615 could have been the one moment for NH and it became nothing. Honestly, I felt she got friendzoned much earlier, but still. Sakura is the only one who has shown change in her love. The only one with a hint of change. Compare all those moments of hints and ask if Naruto has had any of those. I can't think of one.

Side note: One thing I am really getting tired of is having my "optimism" come under scrutiny. The ones who stay positive are being criticized still and it's really starting to turn into a bad habit now. Why is remaining positive a bad thing? Why all of a sudden if you want to remain positive or optimistic, you are seen as a lower-class fan? I don't get it anymore. BTW, optimism and "ignoring facts for blind bias" are not the same thing. I myself am an optimist and even I can see what happened in the manga.

I agree with you completely, I just can't see NH happening, if everything so far has not made naruto feel anything romantic towards hinata then I just don't see anything else that can, this arc was the pein arc all over again, and I'm convinced it's all for hinata development.

I feel the same as you for being positive, I'm gonna continue to stay positive for NS till the end of the manga, because I'm sure nothing will truly become canon till the end anyway.

@fireandice I agree with you as well

Edited by zatheko, 18 January 2013 - 07:13 AM.

[Chucky-kun]

I don't know why some are afraid of NaruHina at this point in time. I mean, I can't see it anymore. I really can't. There has been at least three occasions where not only could Naruto have changed his feelings for Hinata on the page, but he could have even expressed his interest in her. He has not and I don't think he ever will.

This moment in 615...to me, it sealed the deal that NH is not going to be it. Everyone, even us, thought this was going to be some big romantic scene between and as usual it turns into a huge nothing. Yeah, Hinata got one more shot in the spotlight, but nothing else came of it. Now we find ourselves debating over editor's notes and the "context" of the scene and putting their fears to the page.

How do you know that fear is not clouding your judgement? Making you want to see things differently. It is just as much as a possibility a being overzealous about facts in favor of you when none exist.

After he came back from dealing with Pein, Naruto didn't even attempt to confront her about it. He had the chance, but didn't That was strike one in my book. Then he saved her once against Zetsu clones and he brought up the Pein Arc WITHOUT mentioning the confession. Never even acknowledged it. Strike two. Now 615 comes along. The moment that could have been as powerful as Sakura's hug and....once again Naruto brushed it off. Didn't even think, express, or feel anything in that moment for her. He was more concerned with Neji. (I guess NejiNaru is canon now too.) Strike three.

I'm sorry. Kishi has three very good moments to make NaruHina more than a possibility and he didn't do it. He purposely side-stepped it and said "This was all part of the great plan." Seeing how the NH fans reacted, they are also in shock that nothing happened. That's how I know this was the last really good chance to change Naruto's view of her and Kishi didn't do it.

I have no fears from now on. To me, NH is dead and 616 killed it. You can't do any better than that and come out with nothing unless nothing was supposed to happen. Great, Hinata got what she said she wanted from 573, doesn't mean Naruto loves her as shown he hasn't once thought about as anything more than a friend.

615 could have been the one moment for NH and it became nothing. Honestly, I felt she got friendzoned much earlier, but still. Sakura is the only one who has shown change in her love. The only one with a hint of change. Compare all those moments of hints and ask if Naruto has had any of those. I can't think of one.

Side note: One thing I am really getting tired of is having my "optimism" come under scrutiny. The ones who stay positive are being criticized still and it's really starting to turn into a bad habit now. Why is remaining positive a bad thing? Why all of a sudden if you want to remain positive or optimistic, you are seen as a lower-class fan? I don't get it anymore. BTW, optimism and "ignoring facts for blind bias" are not the same thing. I myself am an optimist and even I can see what happened in the manga.



Wow, NH fans change their opinions on stuff really fast don't they? 3 weeks ago they said that there is always enough time for romance even in the middle of a battlefield. Now all of a sudden they are saying the opposite?

We used that reason to explain why Naruto and Sakura have had no real romantic moments because there hasn't been time for it.

I'll never understand at all.

I agree with you 100%
I feel like our optimism is being viewed as denial.


Btw, fireandice 小娘 in Chinese means little wife but this wife is used in a concubines sense as a smaller wife aka not the first.

[AnimeGirl_123]

To anybody worried about Madara's 'little missus' comment in the Mangastream translation...

The actual words Madara used are: 小娘

Breaking it down, 小 means 'small' 'little' and applied to people or animals, can also mean 'young'.

娘 simply means 'woman' or 'girl'. Any specifics it has are only in the sense that no one would use it to refer to an old woman, nor a really young child.

Hence, I doubt it's meaning is in the colloquial sense of girlfriend or wife

To be sure, Kishi has made it obvious Hinata hasn't let go of her feelings of Naruto...But tbh, one of her key traits is her admiration of Naruto. So naturally whenever her thoughts are written out it's almost always romantic.

From a story-telling POV, NaruHina just seems too...easy. Like Hinata is alr enamoured with Naruto. He just has to reciprocate her feelings. It seems too easy, when this entire manga is built around overcoming obstacles. Whereas NaruSaku, although Naruto quite obviously loves Sakura, has more complex issues. Naruto is still convinced Sakura loves Sasuke, and the entire Sasuke thing is linked to his sense of failure to fulfill his promise. Sakura is still plagued by an attachment to Sasuke and is not sure what she feels about Naruto. That sort of complexity to me, provides the most interesting resolution, rather than the easy NH and SS.

P.S guys let's give Sasuke some love temporarily. He saved us from the NH colour page didn't he? Actually seems to me Kishi went out of his way to avoid giving NH additional attention... He could have put Hinata on the colour cover or colour page. But he goes and wedges in Sasuke instead.

Dat Sauce.

Well sure. Like us, keep it all together. Don't think the negative. At least not yet for any one of us. To be honest, I do believe this arc is the deciding factor for NH vs. NS. Again, if you get Naruto confirming his love for Sakura, hate to say it but game over man. Game over. You don't have to agree with me in this. The thing is that in this arc, Naruto has the ball. It's time to see where Kishi is going. But like you said, NS has tons of development, so for now, the future is looking good once again. I believed this chapter is proven that not only Kishi remembers his (side) characters, but he also tackles everyone's thoughts and feelings. It's all closing for all of them. So yeah, this is the final shot for Hinata. Time is ticking.

Yes! It's funny cause at the start of the series it was definitely NS vs SS in the deciding factor. Who would have thought it would ultimately be NH vs NS. I agree, once Naruto confirms he still loves Sakura then that's it. It doesn't mean NS is end game either because we still need Sakura. (she still loves Sasuke) However, it would at least get rid of Naruhina. After all that has happened, Hinata risking her life twice, confessing, everything in 615... If Naruto is confirmed to love Sakura after all that, then yup. Game over for Naruhina. I don't know if this arc will be the final opportunity for Hinata. I'm going to guess that pairings will be solved/official at the end, because I though Hinata was done after Pain arc... But nope she wasn't. That is why I am playing it safe and not jumping the gun anymore. Anti-NS fans should do the same, because Narusaku can easily strike back just as it did after Hinata confessed. C'mon...

I don't know why some are afraid of NaruHina at this point in time. I mean, I can't see it anymore. I really can't. There has been at least three occasions where not only could Naruto have changed his feelings for Hinata on the page, but he could have even expressed his interest in her. He has not and I don't think he ever will.

This moment in 615...to me, it sealed the deal that NH is not going to be it. Everyone, even us, thought this was going to be some big romantic scene between and as usual it turns into a huge nothing. Yeah, Hinata got one more shot in the spotlight, but nothing else came of it. Now we find ourselves debating over editor's notes and the "context" of the scene and putting their fears to the page.

Because nothing in this chapter negated the context of 615. :/ If anything it put it on hold and went back to the war. I mean yes it may have downplayed the hand holding a bit, but there were other elements in there. I'm playing it safe as I said above. This is like anti-NS saying how they can't see Narusaku happening after 469, meanwhile we Narusaku fans can. Same concept. Nothing killed Naruhina in this last chapter. I think it would have be more trolled if we had a Narusaku moment. Must be saved for later. As for Naruto's feelings, well it's better for Naruhina writing wise if he didn't change his feelings in three chapters. I mean hello Naruto still loves Sakura! If anything it only gave Naruhina higher chance, and nothing more. It's NOT cannon.

How do you know that fear is not clouding your judgement? Making you want to see things differently. It is just as much as a possibility a being overzealous about facts in favor of you when none exist.

After he came back from dealing with Pein, Naruto didn't even attempt to confront her about it. He had the chance, but didn't That was strike one in my book. Then he saved her once against Zetsu clones and he brought up the Pein Arc WITHOUT mentioning the confession. Never even acknowledged it. Strike two. Now 615 comes along. The moment that could have been as powerful as Sakura's hug and....once again Naruto brushed it off. Didn't even think, express, or feel anything in that moment for her. He was more concerned with Neji. (I guess NejiNaru is canon now too.) Strike three.

I'm sorry. Kishi has three very good moments to make NaruHina more than a possibility and he didn't do it. He purposely side-stepped it and said "This was all part of the great plan." Seeing how the NH fans reacted, they are also in shock that nothing happened. That's how I know this was the last really good chane to change Naruto's view of her and Kishi didn't do it.

I have no fears from now on. To me, NH is dead and 616 killed it. You can't do any better than that and come out with nothing unless nothing was supposed to happen. Great, Hinata got what she said she wanted from 573, doesn't mean Naruto loves her as shown he hasn't once thought about as anything more than a friend.

615 could have been the one moment for NH and it became nothing. Honestly, I felt she got friendzoned much earlier, but still. Sakura is the only one who has shown change in her love. The only one with a hint of change. Compare all those moments of hints and ask if Naruto has had any of those. I can't think of one.

Side note: One thing I am really getting tired of is having my "optimism" come under scrutiny. The ones who stay positive are being criticized still and it's really starting to turn into a bad habit now. Why is remaining positive a bad thing? Why all of a sudden if you want to remain positive or optimistic, you are seen as a lower-class fan? I don't get it anymore. BTW, optimism and "ignoring facts for blind bias" are not the same thing. I myself am an optimist and even I can see what happened in the manga.

Like I said, many Narusaku fans (admit it) keep saying after every Naruhina moment that Hinata is done and NH is done... But they keep getting more. So because Naruto is still near Hinata in 616, there's a chance for more as well. I'd love to NOT have more, but I'm tired of saying it's done, it's done.. and yet it's not done. It's very annoying indeed. 616 didn't kill it in my opinion. XD We all agree Naruto loves Sakura and not Hinata. But if she was really friendzoned eariler than why is she so confident in being with him? In 573, Hinata literally states she would be with him after the war. 615 happened during the war, so we gotta see what happens later. It would be very funny if we got another big Narusaku moment after the war, just like Pein arc. that's when I would say Naruhina got trolled and is possibly dead depending on what the moment is.

[fireandice]

I agree with you 100%
I feel like our optimism is being viewed as denial.


Btw, fireandice 小娘 in Chinese means little wife but this wife is used in a concubines sense as a smaller wife aka not the first.

Whoops you're right I'm of Chinese descent so I had to study Mandarin in school but I've gone quite rusty. 娘 by itself can mean woman. And apparently used to refer to older, married woman . I mixed it up with 姑娘 which doesn't have the explicit 'married' context and is the one you mostly use only for young women.

So Madara ships NH now? Or he is just being a condescending douche.

Edited by fireandice, 18 January 2013 - 07:28 AM.

[AnimeGirl_123]

Ah, I'm just going to sit back and relax. Its 2:30am here in New York so I will go to sleep and hopefully dream of Narusaku.

Hoping 617 gives us something good.

Goodnight~!

[James S Cassidy]

Because nothing in this chapter negated the context of 615. :/ If anything it put it on hold and went back to the war. I mean yes it may have downplayed the hand holding a bit, but there were other elements in there. I'm playing it safe as I said above. This is like anti-NS saying how they can't see Narusaku happening after 469, meanwhile we Narusaku fans can. Same concept. Nothing killed Naruhina in this last chapter. I think it would have be more trolled if we had a Narusaku moment. Must be saved for later. As for Naruto's feelings, well it's better for Naruhina writing wise if he didn't change his feelings in three chapters. I mean hello Naruto still loves Sakura! If anything it only gave Naruhina higher chance, and nothing more. It's NOT cannon.

I don't see the "higher chances" people speak of. We, and this is every fanbase, can't just pay attention to what Hinata and Sakura do even though it seems like that is all people pay attention to. I knew Hinata wouldn't change and she would have "feelz" about the moment. That was a given. She had feels every single moment with Naruto from the innocent to the battlefield. I was paying attention to Naruto this whole time. I wanted to see what he did and as usual he didn't even express anything beyond the usual he has done in similar past events.

Honestly, can anyone give me any moment where Naruto might have changed at all? Sakura has shown to change her opinions. She has shown to look at things differently and realize the truth. Compare that to Naruto, has he shown anything even similar to that? Anything at all? Like I said, I can't think of one. Any NH moments that occurred, I feel like you could put anyone in there and Naruto would still have the same reaction.

You can "play it safe," but remember not to ignore the facts as well. We all can admit that this moment COULD have been the biggest NH moment in the manga since the Pein arc and it happened the exact same way. With Naruto too focused on his enemy, than some love crush girl. Come on, really? Naruto cannot be THAT stupid. He can't be that oblivious to Hinata's emotions.

I admit I expected more NH moments and the NH fans to continue to ram it into us, but I laughed harder than I ever have when Naruto just let go to scatter and give people chakra. It really did turn an opportunity and turned it into nothing. It really did. I can't see it as anything more than what 616 made it out to be. I understand what 615 did and I see that, but since 616 stopped the moment right when it was about to be something bigger is a huge drop.

NH chances, despite my personal opinion, didn't raise or lower. They just stayed the same. Speaking of moments, why is there only "NH moments" when something bad happens or about to happen? Can't there be a "NH moment" in a normal situation? NS has plenty of them. I don't see why not.

People can look at what is there, but proof can be also in what isn't there. There isn't any moments where Naruto has shown interest in Hinata. There isn't "moments of NH" (not Hinata moments) outside of a battle situations. What, someone has to be hurt or die for Hinata to get moments? Pretty crappy if you ask me. "On the battlefield I am confident, in normal situations I am not."

Has she ever sat with Naruto at the ramen stand and fed him? No. Has she checked up on him when he was training with Kakashi? Again, no. Kishi could have had Hinata do a lot of things and yet he didn't. All those moments belong to Sakura.

And to even ask more questions: Why can't Naruto see Hinata as a friend? What law prevents Naruto from seeing her as a friend? Yes, I know these can be reversed and used on Sakura, but my answer to it would be the plain development NS share.

Like I said, many Narusaku fans (admit it) keep saying after every Naruhina moment that Hinata is done and NH is done... But they keep getting more. So because Naruto is still near Hinata in 616, there's a chance for more as well. I'd love to NOT have more, but I'm tired of saying it's done, it's done.. and yet it's not done. It's very annoying indeed. 616 didn't kill it in my opinion. XD We all agree Naruto loves Sakura and not Hinata. But if she was really friendzoned eariler than why is she so confident in being with him? In 573, Hinata literally states she would be with him after the war. 615 happened during the war, so we gotta see what happens later. It would be very funny if we got another big Narusaku moment after the war, just like Pein arc. that's when I would say Naruhina got trolled and is possibly dead depending on what the moment is.

I never started saying NH was done until the time he saved her from the Zetsu clones. That's when I said they were done. That scene to me, was Naruto telling her that he sees her as a friend simply because he told her that she had self-reliance. She didn't need him to be great. A rather curious thing to say given that Hinata always felt weak without Naruto in the past.

As for Hinata still determined to be with Naruto...well, would you give up your love that easily? Also, you know how pissed the NH fans would be if Hinata gave up on Naruto right then? I see this as nothing more than fan service. One last hooray for the NH fans. It doesn't mae sense, but then again not a lot of things do sometimes. Is there a chance for more NH moments? Yes, but how can you top 615? Really, how can you top it and still make the love believable? If this chapter was supposed to be the game changer, it did nothing.

I have already given up on Hinata changing her love opinion on Naruto. I thought she would have changed it when Sakura hugged Naruto, but she didn't. I don't know about most girls, but if a shy girl sees another girl hug the man she wants and she notices how happy they are together she would back off. No she wouldn't have lost her love, but she shouldn't be trying to force herself into something otherwise it makes her look very selfish.

Now, of the sake of egg being thrown on my face, I will say that my personal opinion and what is fact are two different things here. Yeah, reality is that NH can still happen. Everything has a chance, even if that chance is a tiny one. However, I will say this. If NH becomes canon in the end, it will be by far the most asinine thing to ever happen in the manga.

Remember, I am a Naruto fan first before I am a NS fan. I like development and process. If NH becomes canon in the end it will ruin the entire manga development. It will be the biggest asspull ever and it will not make any sense at all. As a Naruto fan, the fact that NH happened with little to no development and the main character showing no interest until that point is a big let down. I wouldn't even let NS be canon if there was no development to it...and I support it.

I have read manga and had many shipping choices. Not all of them have come true, but even if they didn't I can see where the development occurred. So while yes I am disappointed that my choice didn't happen, the story is still tight and well written. If it didn't have that development in there, then I would say the manga was a total failure.

NH...I don't see the development. All I see is missed opportunities and forced character plots. NS is a more well-rounded development.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 18 January 2013 - 08:11 AM.