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[Cloud]

I can think of two reasons why no arrow from Sakura to Sasuke is drawn.

1. ITS TOO FAR! :cookie:

2. He's part of the enemy, and Sakura's emotions are like a pile of goo right now. She's confused.

[RyrineaHaruno]

"Likes" does not imply "loves" or "in love with" necessarily.

Shiho is actually quite relevant to the arc, Hinata's confession is important, but not relevant to the ark itself.

To me it does because he has proven that he loves her by doing all he can to keep her happy, Love is a strong word in Japan ok so to prove that someone like the other they do it by action weather then proclaiming their love for one another. See they do it by showing their love by protecting the other person. That why the hero always protects the woman he loves in anime/manga and Japanese films.

[Kyuudaime]

To me it does because he has proven that he loves her by doing all he can to keep her happy, Love is a strong word in Japan ok so to prove that someone like the other they do it by action weather then proclaiming their love for one another. See they do it by showing their love by protecting the other person. That why the hero always protects the woman he loves in anime/manga and Japanese films.

Perhaps, however, because it is implied to you and most likely other people, yet not others, it's subjective, therefore, meaning that it's not a fact.

[RyrineaHaruno]

Perhaps, however, because it is implied to you and most likely other people, yet not others, it's subjective, therefore, meaning that it's not a fact.

Yes it is fact that he has proven that he has loved her since Chapter 3. He even stated that he likes her and not short of dose like her and why would he get mad at Sai for Interfering in the feeding scene. See in Japan feed a person is a imitate act it not something only a friend can make. So it would be bad writing on Kishmoto to put Naruto x Hinata together all of a sudden.

[Kyuudaime]

Yes it is fact that he has proven that he has loved her since Chapter 3. He even stated that he likes her and not short of dose like her and why would he get mad at Sai for Interfering in the feeding scene. See in Japan feed a person is a imitate act it not something only a friend can make. So it would be bad writing on Kishmoto to put Naruto x Hinata together all of a sudden.

That could however be called infatuation.

[RyrineaHaruno]

That could however be called infatuation.

the selfish lov enotion is complete nonsense.

the entire issue lies within chapter 3 on the bench scene.

here in this scene we see the beginnings of NarutoSakuras development. and we see the evolution of SasuSaku from crush of admiration to onesided love.

in the scene to recap naruto has been rejected by sakura after asking her to lunch to get to know her better. he ambushes sasuke (the dead last defeats the rookie of the year in single combat) and henges into sasuke (( a henge that is nearly flawless considering his abysmal performace in chapter 1))

using this disguise he seeks out sakura and confronts her. Sakura at this moment is day dreaming of a fantasy sasuke that says " sakura you have such a beautiful forehead it makes me want to kiss it."

then as she looks up there is ""Sasuke"" standing there. Naruto says exactly what sakura is dreaming about before blowing it off as something naruto would say.

then he asks her about naruto (himself) she tells him that naruto is annoying and doesnt understand her, that he allways interferes with her love life and likes to see her fail. that naruto doesnt understand her at all. then she says that shes desparate anbd only wants to be acknowledged by sasuke.

it is at this moment that naruto understands where sakura is coming from. and it is here that at bare minimum Narutos cursh becomes love or at least is no longer a superficial crush based on her looks.

she wants to be acknowledged by a special person. she has the courage like him to work on that goal and dream like him.

this is the moment that also changes sakura. for her she at this time has a superfical crush on sasuke. but in this moment ""Sasuke"" makes her fantasy come true. he acknowledges her dream and acknowledges her. this changes sakuras crush to love. she falls in love with sasuke at this moment ((still naruto in disguise)) and thus the ground work is laid for future tradgedy.

the notion that both sakura and naruto have selfish superficial crushes is based on the fact that people consisenty forget or minimalize the bench scene.

in that scene two people come to a greater understanding of their feelings then ever before.

a lot of fallout is still to come from this scene.

what will sakura do when she discovers that Naruto was the one who said those things to her on that bench?

what will become of her feelings when this truth is revealed.

she has allready come to the conclusion ((via flashback to the bench scene)) that naruto trully did understand her and she was the one who didnt understand him.

but whenthe truth is revealed she will discover that the one she didnt understand was really the one who all along knew exactly how she felt.

Also Naruto himself will have to confront this moment as well. he will have to tell the truth to sakura and explain his actions. this alone will be a huge moment.

as to hinatas so called true love. Lee admires gai sensei and respects him is that true love? Haku admired and respected Zabuza was that true love.

now on one hand yes I will agree that Sakura does feel guilt for making naruto make that promise. but that is part of her growth. She felt guilty for making him go alone. for not seeing that he did always understand her. that he was the trully strong one of their team. that he was the oen who always did care for her trully.

So yes Sakura does feel guilty and she has every right too. but that doesnt change the fact that she used that guilt to improve herself beyond the expectations of everyone including naruto himself.



Naruto admired and respected Sasuke was that true love ((Yaoi fangirls your vote doesnt count))

And now Sakura is in canon shown to respect and admire Naruto. so by the logic of the above hinata argument Sakura has true love for naruto.

as to the filler moments well lets put it this way. even if we take the filler moments into account. they cannot be true naruhina moments.

in fact the one arc that can be shown ((the bug arc)) is actually more of a shinohina arc due to his supporting her unconditionally.

even the current filler arc hasnt shown a hint of naruto hinata. it has shown his conscern yes. but it is a conscern that he would feel for anyone in such a conditon and situation.

and note that even in the current arc. it is sakura to whom he turns in the end for his boost of courage.

the arguments above only enforce naruto sakura rather then weaken it. hinata has had no development until the current chapters and this devleopment alone does not make anything set in stone.


Qoute from THe great Naruto x Sakura debate thread from our Own Catsi since I haven't read Chapter 3 in a long time

Edited by RyrineaHaruno, 10 May 2009 - 02:33 AM.

[Kyuudaime]

I fail to see what that had to do with my statement directly.

I feel as if I should stop since we're not on topic, and I don't want Shauna to get on to me...

[RyrineaHaruno]

I fail to see what that had to do with my statement directly.

I feel as if I should stop since we're not on topic, and I don't want Shauna to get on to me...

Yeah that true lol

[ciardha]

Reasons why Hinata isn't on the databook.

1. It's a MINI databook. Not the full thing.

2. She's a side character, and right now the events in motion are bigger than her.

I'm still with Ichigo on this one. Small possibility that NH is possible.

Nah, look at Kishimoto's patterns, confession equals total kiss of death of a pairing ever to happen. Rin confesses to Kakashi- didn't get together (and Kakashi relates Obito's confession to Rin so double kiss of death there)

Lee confesses to Sakura, and shortly after is hurt protecting her in the Forest of Death (and she acknowledges in her mind he protected her because he loves her) then a short time later he's very severely injured fighting Gaara. (This is the one you are meant to see the parallel with Hinata's confession scene to Naruto, it's very similar with Sakura's and Naruto's reactions) Sakura doesn't develop any romantic feelings for Lee. What it creates, instead is a friendship. Sakura is quite compassionate to the injured Lee, but she never brings up his feelings for her. She's careful to make it obvious in her behavior she's friends not romantically interested in him. She's passive when he makes those ridiculous "fires of youth" speeches. Contrast it to her reactions to Naruto's antics- always provokes an emotional reaction in Sakura.

Sakura confesses to Sasuke, he still leaves and clearly it's never going to happen now. Hints that if he survives to the end he'll end up with Karin, and no confessions from her, straight out lust now shading into love. On Sasuke's side he did seek her out for the team, even though as Suigetsu says she'd already done something, implying sexual, and her behavior when alone with him rather reinforces that. Sasuke's reaction is not the violent rejection or complete indifference when Sakura or Ino invaded his personal space, he's nervous, like a guy who's horny for a girl for the first time would be, and his emotional reaction to the very sexual situation when he bites her at her insistence to save his life was definitely shading into love, Karin's too.

Even when near confessions are mutual as with Tsunade and Jiraiya it's still the kiss of death, he didn't come back. The couples that got together never had a confession scene, but had what Naruto and Sakura have had- other characters commenting on them as a couple before they were shown as a couple:

Asuma and Kurenai (Kakashi teases them during the Chunin exams)
Dan and Tsunade (Orochimaru and others reference her relationship before the flashback)
Shikaku and Yoshino (Shikamaru complaining to his father, before we see them interact, and Shikaku's words to Shikamaru so close to when Temari saves him, and then the taunting right after about Shikamaru was "letting a girl" speak to him "that way" pretty much cements the ShikaTem ship)
Minato and Kushina (Tsunade and Jiraiya talk about them as Naruto's parents and their personalities before we actually see them together in Jiraiya's dying flashbacks.)

Gamakichi and Konohamaru in part 1 assume Naruto and Sakura are a couple, Kakashi makes some observations in part 1 too, Tsunade sees not only Naruto's feelings for Sakura, but when Sakura comes to train with her she sees Sakura's growing feelings for Naruto- already he's on the same level as Sasuke at the end of part 1. In part 2 Sai and Yamato have made comments. Chiyo as well in a subtle way. Tsunade and Jiraiya showed subtle recognition too. Yamato, though, has spoken to both Naruto and Sakura on their feelings for the other, Sai to Sakura about her feelings for Naruto.

Also, on another point- Naruto's core personality point- he never gives up on anything- that goes for his feelings for Sakura too, and especially now when he's noticed (chapter 343) she not only cares for him, but has romantic feelings for him. He might have missed her overt flirting in 245, but he didn't miss it in 343.

Edited by ciardha, 10 May 2009 - 02:59 AM.

[psycho666]

Danzo-Hanzo Woo! We should make it a song. But anyway, Bleach was so much more interesting this week . I hope we get out of flashback time soon and on to the action!

[catsi563]

In one regard I think people are missing one part of the equation here.

Hinata.

I think people on both sides ar eunderestimating her reaction to this. Ive always been of the opinion that she would be the type of person to step down or aside for a friend. She is well aware of Narutos feelings for Sakura, and is a very unselfish person.

this inspite of her confession being a self professed selfish confession. Im of the opinion that a strong possibility exists Hinata may be the push forwards for naruto and sakura by virtue of her explaining that she does like naruto but may never have spoken of it if she hadnt thought she was going to die. She might then explain that shes allways seen Narutos feelings for sakura and encourage him to pursue his dreams as thats what Narutos always done.

in the end it will be a carthatic moment for Hinata where she stands up and grasps the courage shes sought but this time without the desparation of a life or death situation to push the issue.

least thats my best opinion from the evidence and themes of the individual characters presented so far.

[Sora no Kitsune]

In one regard I think people are missing one part of the equation here.

Hinata.

I think people on both sides ar eunderestimating her reaction to this. Ive always been of the opinion that she would be the type of person to step down or aside for a friend. She is well aware of Narutos feelings for Sakura, and is a very unselfish person.

this inspite of her confession being a self professed selfish confession. Im of the opinion that a strong possibility exists Hinata may be the push forwards for naruto and sakura by virtue of her explaining that she does like naruto but may never have spoken of it if she hadnt thought she was going to die. She might then explain that shes allways seen Narutos feelings for sakura and encourage him to pursue his dreams as thats what Narutos always done.

in the end it will be a carthatic moment for Hinata where she stands up and grasps the courage shes sought but this time without the desparation of a life or death situation to push the issue.

least thats my best opinion from the evidence and themes of the individual characters presented so far.

Great comment catsi you stated everything i have been thinking about this whole situation and you put into words far better than anything i could have thought up. i agree 150%

[shadow_Uzumaki]

I guess, adding to catsi's, it also symbolizes Hinata growing and maturing by letting go of Naruto, and finding her own feet to stand on or something like that.... I can't find the perfect analogy right now so be satisfied with the feet thing =P

[catsi563]

I guess, adding to catsi's, it also symbolizes Hinata growing and maturing by letting go of Naruto, and finding her own feet to stand on or something like that.... I can't find the perfect analogy right now so be satisfied with the feet thing =P

Actually thats the perfect analogy.

the analogy of a bird leaving the nest and flying on its own power.

Hinata has oft been defined by her admiration of Naruto. and the desire to be stronger and catch up to him. Shes taken a big step forward to finding her own feet, with the confession. but the bigger step would be moving beyond that admiration and becoming her own person independent of Naruto.

She could still draw inspiration from him, but her strength would be her own.

[Kori]

Actually thats the perfect analogy.

the analogy of a bird leaving the nest and flying on its own power.

Hinata has oft been defined by her admiration of Naruto. and the desire to be stronger and catch up to him. Shes taken a big step forward to finding her own feet, with the confession. but the bigger step would be moving beyond that admiration and becoming her own person independent of Naruto.

She could still draw inspiration from him, but her strength would be her own.

i just found the irony in your post. Remember the Hyuuga's 'Caged Bird' seal? AAAAAhhhhhh i crack myself up



Anyway for the real post, i honestly thought this was an ok chapter. I think the whole Yahiko suicide will come up in the end. I'm really anxious to find out how Naruto will react. Also for the future chapters how he will react to Hinata's whole 'I Love You' capade. These will be some interesting future chapters, in my opinion. The suspense is killing me

[shadow_Uzumaki]

Ooh, "Caged Bird Seal" I wonder if that's a foreshadowing waayyyyyy back! I highly doubt it though XD