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[TouKen4Life3g]

Don't worry, I'll answer mine and ask a new one tomorrow. It's the weekend and people are away around this time.

[TouKen4Life3g]

To answer my latest post, I would have to say that it depends. To me, I feel like the first impression is the best impression. The old saying goes, "Sequel will have more hype but it will not be better than the original." This seems to be very true with this series.

To me, the first fight at VotE used up almost if not all of builds and reasons behind it to make the fight mean a lot to not just the characters but to the audience. Not to mention, it had more build to it. There were more emotional display in that fight and more exchange between each other, words spouting life sucks but we can fix it and so on. It's just too bad that the fight was held back due to long term planning.

So looking at VotE 2, not only the build was lacking, but the exchange and impact was long gone. It's very cliche, very straightforward, once again no blood thirst, many asspulls, lost the sense of impact (such as why they're giving it everything), and lastly, rushed. Sasuke's part is ok, though a bit confusing and rushed, but everything beforehand was underwhelming.

So I will say I agree if you really can't write the second one as good, better, or just a bit not as good. To me, I agree.

[rocci]

Vote 2 doesn't lack building, since it get build since the end of the first vote.
It just lack/doesn't have impact.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Vote 2 doesn't lack building, since it get build since the end of the first vote.
It just lack/doesn't have impact.

I guess but it just feel like it doesn't because it was rushed. Like the first one, each character tells Naruto to go save Sasuke and such. Actually, it all started with PoaL. I mean I guess for the lack of better word, I considered it a build but yes, you're technically right. The word I might be looking for is hype. It was lacking bad. Like Sasuke announces his plan, it's like "oh right, we have this..." The first kept hyping more and more and when they finally meet, it's time. The second one, "well, it's good that you know the exact location."

Perhaps it's hype I'm looking for the choice of words.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Statement: Gaara's backstory should have left it as it was before the War Arc.

Agree or disagree?

[rocci]

@touken
That's right, the fight is really rush if you consider how big the hype he build.
It actually two or three chapters worth action from five chapters of the fight.
This is the climax of the manga and that's what we get.

It's a retcon from garra past in order to bring closure with his parent and that's bad.

[Namikaze Clan]

Feels like no one wants to discuss anything that doesn't relate to pairings or the ending in general.

Anyway I agree to an extent. While I admit I thought it was touching when Gaara found out his mother and uncle truly loved him, it does take away from his tragic backstory

[BlackBird19]

Agree. While it made Gaara's backstory bittersweet and a little less tragic, it felt unnecessary overall. It didn't do that much for him.

[VanitasDS76491]

Agreed. He killed his own family.

 

Statement: Neji being alive wouldn't give NH a chance. Agree or disagree?

Agree with Neji being alive wouldn't give NH a chance since Hinata is pretty much the cause for his death and as we he was killed so they could get together. Seriously did Kishi take writing tip form most of the writers in DC's The New 52 and Frank Miller on how to suck and piss off your fanbase.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I have to agree on Gaara.

Things like that was unnecessary. I can see if the backstory needs a hole to fill in, but this one is one of those "all is needed to be shown." Instead, Kishi pulls a "wait there's more..." Not only that, it toned down the approach of dark backstory. You mean to tell me everyone act on a stage? That's not possible.

You know it's sad when a Fairy Tail backstory on a side character remained dark than Naruto. That's like changing Miranda's father to be a guy who was forced by demons to harsh his daughter. No, in reality, he's a legit kitten. Plain and simple. So why Naruto got to make shounen look like nick jr? Even Avatar creators will go far and got away with it. So yeah, I agree a lot.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Statement: In hindsight, Kakashi should have remain dead back at Pain Invasion Arc.

 

Agree or disagree?

[NeonRanger]

Statement: In hindsight, Kakashi should have remain dead back at Pain Invasion Arc.

 

Agree or disagree?

 

I'm conflicted on this, ha. But I'm moving towards disagree. 

[SlyNinjaKnight]

Statement: In hindsight, Kakashi should have remain dead back at Pain Invasion Arc.

 

Agree or disagree?

 

This is a tough one, I didn't mind Pain reviving everyone at the time but I do feel that reviving pretty much everyone took away from the devastation that Pain caused, and blunted the effect of the attack. So I would have to say, I agree that Kakashi should have remained dead (as long as everyone else stayed dead too).

 

Though this question raised an interesting though of mine, I actually liked the Edo Tensei army that Tobi/Obito brought back to life. It probably was one of the few things that I liked from the War arc.

[Nostradamus]

Statement: In hindsight, Kakashi should have remain dead back at Pain Invasion Arc.

 

Agree or disagree?

Agreed.

[Namikaze Clan]

His mentor role in Naruto's life was finished so his death seemed fitting.

But then again, he is one of my favorites and I'm glad he got to live so disagree

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

I'm conflicted too, considering Kakashi had a bit more to do, consideri ng he sucked as a teacher to Team 7, but his arc also came full circle...

[tricksie]

Statement: In hindsight, Kakashi should have remain dead back at Pain Invasion Arc.

 

Agree or disagree?

Hmmm.... While I agree that his mentor role in Naruto's life was finished, I still liked Kakashi as a character. In fact, I liked him more than most of the other characters. So I didn't want to see him dead. (And same with Jiraiya for that matter.)  

 

So, I disagree that Kakashi should have remained dead.

 

However I don't think it would have been a bad thing if several other minor characters died in the edo tensei instead. 

 

I would have loved to see the edo tensei used as something other than just a giant reset button. Like maybe some characters from the village were resurrected, but some were too far gone to be reached (like Jiraiya). Or maybe they were all brought back to a halfway mark, then it was left to the rest of the medics to nurse them back to health. So it basically bought all the wounded about 24 extra hours before death. And some were healed and brought back, while others succumbed to their wounds. But all had a chance to say goodbye or reevaluate their life in some form, giving them some closure. That would have been a more satisfying situation to me than the giant happy-shiny reset button that edo tensei became.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Hmmm.... While I agree that his mentor role in Naruto's life was finished, I still liked Kakashi as a character. In fact, I liked him more than most of the other characters. So I didn't want to see him dead. (And same with Jiraiya for that matter.)  

 

So, I disagree that Kakashi should have remained dead.

 

However I don't think it would have been a bad thing if several other minor characters died in the edo tensei instead. 

 

I would have loved to see the edo tensei used as something other than just a giant reset button. Like maybe some characters from the village were resurrected, but some were too far gone to be reached (like Jiraiya). Or maybe they were all brought back to a halfway mark, then it was left to the rest of the medics to nurse them back to health. So it basically bought all the wounded about 24 extra hours before death. And some were healed and brought back, while others succumbed to their wounds. But all had a chance to say goodbye or reevaluate their life in some form, giving them some closure. That would have been a more satisfying situation to me than the giant happy-shiny reset button that edo tensei became.

 

I do agree that there's a lot of fun to be had with that, as well as serious story telling potential, Tricks.

[Catra]

i agree kakashi should have been killed off. i was tired of him and thought he had nothing else to show us (turns out kishi thought it was good idea to give him susanoo, spamming kamui and a hokage title )

[rocci]

I agree because kishi already kill him.
If kishi doesn't want him to death, then he just need to knock him out or unconscious but not dead. Just make him in near death status like Hinata or tsunade.
If I'm mistaken, The only name character dead in that arc are kakashi and shizune. The rest are fodder.
By doing that, he doesn't need to rely on mass resurection.