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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

There is a discussion here about how complex it was, and let me rephrase my words. It is not that complex, and I don't find it hard to understand or confusing. But Sakura shows so many different feelings, some of what she said might be a lie, and some might be true. So dragging everything she said under one word is just simplifying it.
 
IMO, the confession was neither fake, nor real.

That was basically what i adressed, "The confession was neither fake, nor real"
It doesnt exist and i adressed it on my post.
It's like saying half-truths are not lies.
People are briging chapters of the war arc to prove that Sakura was being honest and this topic is still being discussed because of the sentiment of wanting to prove that she was honest there.
 

Oh please, don't give me that. I only gave my opinion on the confession and 540, I never claimed it was the absolute fact. I never made any claims that I'm right and any other interpretation is illogical -- which you did by the way. I never told you that you were wrong for having a different opinion, did I? If I did, prove it.

I did it with arguments supporting why those are illogical and no one responded it yet rather trying to push a fight claiming that i cant accept people opinions, it's a debate thread once again.
OP created the thread to discuss the fake confession.
I'm open to debate.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 08 March 2014 - 09:04 PM.

[Qia]

The answer is given when she's going to kill Sasuke, and even a bit before.
She loved him and she knew she wasnt capable of killing him but wanted to do it because she felt guilty of forcing her selfish desire into Naruto (POAL).

 
Kakashi's quote can mean anything, and the blushing is because she was embarrassed into that situation she wasnt alone with Naruto there was a lot of people there.
 
THe problem is that the opposite fandom and even Sakura's VA on which made kishi took up the microphone interpreted that she was doing that for her own sake, that she was being selfish once again and deceitfull if you look at Sakura's VA quote, you'll get the answer she said that she was being harsh with Naruto and was using his feelings for her own benefit.
Then Kishi responded.
Sakura used Naruto's feelings but not with evil intentions or wanting to be manipulative, it was with the same reason why she hid the fact he hit her during the 4 tails bridge.
She was doing it for Naruto's sake and for his safety in a way to redeem her own mistakes, she knew there that Sasuke would not come back and that he was a criminal that needed to die the last thing she wanted was to at least lessen Naruto's pain and make him happy.
But that would be at the cost of her own feelings the answer i get on that moment is that despite all the things Naruto did to her she wasnt in love with him and it missed an important aspect which is acknowledgement from Naruto.

Again, that's an interpretation not a fact. One can also have the interpretation that, if her confession failed, then she would have the plan B of killing Sasuke herself. This would allow to not only get rid of the Sasuke problem for Naruto, but also stop Sasuke himself from committing more wrong actions and to prove to herself that she still couldn't care for him (even though she realized, in the moment when she froze, that she still does). 

 

Exactly. Kakashi's quote can mean anything. What does it mean? If his thought at the moment was insignificant, then why insert it? And again...your interpretation. People can blush for many reasons. What's important to keep in mind is that there would be no reason to blush if it was all for his sake and for the personal mission she was on (not that you're wrong necessarily in your opinion. I'm just simply giving another). 

 

I'm not sure how to read your last section...sorry. You may have to explain that one. Not the interview. Like, how did you get that she wasn't in love with him from Kishi defending her and saying she wasn't doing it to be manipulative (because her not having feelings for Naruto and lying about it IS manipulative, despite her intentions). 

Edited by Qia, 08 March 2014 - 09:04 PM.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

That was basically what i adressed, "The confession was neither fake, nor real"
It doesnt exist and i adressed it on my post.
People are briging chapters of the war arc to prove that Sakura was being honest and this topic is still being discussed because of the sentiment of wanting to prove that she was honest there.
This discussion for me already ended with my opinion i posted on this thread.

I did it with arguments supporting why those are illogical and no one responded it yet rather trying to push a fight claiming that i cant accept people opinions, it's a debate thread once again.
If you want to post something and do not get replies, you have tumblr and other websites.
OP created the thread to discuss the fake confession.

 

No, you did not. You claimed other peoples interpretations were illogical based on your opinion, not on fact.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Again, that's an interpretation not a fact. One can also have the interpretation that, if her confession failed, then she would have the plan B of killing Sasuke herself. This would allow to not only get rid of the Sasuke problem for Naruto, but also stop Sasuke himself from committing more wrong actions and to prove to herself that she still couldn't care for him (even though she realized, in the moment when she froze, that she still does).

Yes, but i'm yet to find what counter it.
That's the whole purpose of this debate.
I saw other opinions but parts of the manga and even Sakura attitudes shows the opposite which is why i adressed.
I cant as an example take Sakura's confession as true while on 10 chapters later she admits she loves Sakura.
 

Exactly. Kakashi's quote can mean anything. What does it mean? If his thought at the moment was insignificant, then why insert it? And again...your interpretation. People can blush for many reasons. What's important to keep in mind is that there would be no reason to blush if it was all for his sake and for the personal mission she was on (not that you're wrong necessarily in your opinion. I'm just simply giving another). 

The same can be said why Yamato was angry at Sakura when he was the one who witnessed her "true feelings" on the bridge scene.
He's more reliable than Kakashi when it comes to it.
Kakashi only witnessed Sakura's devotion towards Sasuke and Yamato only saw Sakura's devotion towards Naruto.
Yet Yamato reacted that way.
Also Kakashi was the one who pointed out that she was going to kill Sasuke.
 

I'm not sure how to read your last section...sorry. You may have to explain that one. Not the interview. Like, how did you get that she wasn't in love with him from Kishi defending her and saying she wasn't doing it to be manipulative (because her not having feelings for Naruto and lying about it IS manipulative, despite her intentions).

It's adressed towards the VA which basically "sorry for the wording" said that Sakura was being a b*tch with Naruto was using him for her own benefit.
That's putting Sakura on a bad light and not being an heroine like Kishimoto intended to do, he replied to show that she wasnt doing that.
Also about manipulative part, even Naruto did that and he's not bashed when he lied to Sakura.
Sakura was an heroine because she did it all for Naruto not Sasuke killing Sasuke for Sasuke's sake doesnt make sense because for it's not needed for her to do it alone.
But no she wanted to do it alone to take the blame for it and make Naruto hate since she would not be capable of returning his feelings(this part of the phrase being an interpretation).
 

No, you did not. You claimed other peoples interpretations were illogical based on your opinion, not on fact.

On which are back by my arguments not facts and you did not even care about reading those you're just replying with this phrase only and keep pushing it.
Your opinion is not a fact also.
I explained why it was illogical you should reply telling me the opposite not keep pushing this.
At least Qia is open to debate.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 08 March 2014 - 09:23 PM.

[Qia]

Yes, but i'm yet to find what counter it.
That's the whole purpose of this debate.
I saw other opinions but parts of the manga and even Sakura attitudes shows the opposite which is why i adressed.
I cant as an example take Sakura's confession as true while on 10 chapters later she admits she loves Sakura.

The same can be said why Yamato was angry at Sakura when he was the one who witnessed her "true feelings" on the bridge scene.
He's more reliable than Kakashi when it comes to it.
Kakashi only witnessed Sakura's devotion towards Sasuke and Yamato only saw Sakura's devotion towards Naruto.
Yet Yamato reacted that way.
 
It's adressed towards the VA which basically "sorry for the wording" said that Sakura was being a b*tch with Naruto was using him for her own benefit.
That's putting Sakura on a bad light and not being an heroine like Kishimoto intended to do, he replied to show that she wasnt doing that.
Also about manipulative part, even Naruto did that and he's not bashed when he lied to Sakura.
Sakura was an heroine because she did it all for Naruto not Sasuke killing Sasuke for Sasuke's sake doesnt make sense because for it's not needed for her to do it alone.
But no she wanted to do it alone to take the blame for it and make Naruto hate since she would not be capable of returning his feelings(this part being an phrase being an interpretation).
 
On which are back by my arguments not facts and you did not even care about reading those you're just replying with this phrase only and keep pushing it.
Your opinion is not a fact also.
I explained why it was illogical you should reply telling me the opposite not keep pushing this.
At least Qia is open to debate.

 

Well, about your last statement about Sakura admitting she still loves Sasuke: you have to keep in mind that it was stated that Kishi was trying to portray an honest/realistic and STUBBORN girl. Even if we were to say she was honest about her feelings for Naruto, she could have been in denial about not caring for Sasuke at all (which she was). She needed to face him and realize, just as she was about to strike the killing blow, that she was being stubborn with her feelings for him. 

 

If you go back to the chapter, you would realize that Yamato isn't reacting to her I love you or to her expressing her feelings to Naruto. The panel, interestingly enough, comes right after the one where Sakura asks Naruto to stop chasing Sasuke. That would be strange, even to Yamato, as before she herself was chasing him. You see, Sakura's confession just doesn't deal with her feelings to just Naruto. It also, separately, deals with her feelings towards Sasuke. So, with this interpretation, despite her feelings for Naruto being true it's strange she would want Naruto to give up on Sasuke as well. Those two things don't have to be connected but yet she does so during her confession. That raises questions. 

 

And ahh I see. I disagree of course, but I get what you mean. We'll just have to agree to disagree there. 

Edited by Qia, 08 March 2014 - 09:42 PM.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

Yes, but i'm yet to find what counter it.
That's the whole purpose of this debate.
I saw other opinions but parts of the manga and even Sakura attitudes shows the opposite which is why i adressed.
I cant as an example take Sakura's confession as true while on 10 chapters later she admits she loves Sakura.
 
The same can be said why Yamato was angry at Sakura when he was the one who witnessed her "true feelings" on the bridge scene.
He's more reliable than Kakashi when it comes to it.
Kakashi only witnessed Sakura's devotion towards Sasuke and Yamato only saw Sakura's devotion towards Naruto.
Yet Yamato reacted that way.
Also Kakashi was the one who pointed out that she was going to kill Sasuke.
 
It's adressed towards the VA which basically "sorry for the wording" said that Sakura was being a b*tch with Naruto was using him for her own benefit.
That's putting Sakura on a bad light and not being an heroine like Kishimoto intended to do, he replied to show that she wasnt doing that.
Also about manipulative part, even Naruto did that and he's not bashed when he lied to Sakura.
Sakura was an heroine because she did it all for Naruto not Sasuke killing Sasuke for Sasuke's sake doesnt make sense because for it's not needed for her to do it alone.
But no she wanted to do it alone to take the blame for it and make Naruto hate since she would not be capable of returning his feelings(this part of the phrase being an interpretation).
 
On which are back by my arguments not facts and you did not even care about reading those you're just replying with this phrase only and keep pushing it.
Your opinion is not a fact also.
I explained why it was illogical you should reply telling me the opposite not keep pushing this.
At least Qia is open to debate.

 

I'm only responding to the parts of your posts that were addressed to me. Why should I repeat what I already said just so you can call me illogical? And how many times do I have to say it, I never claimed my opinion was fact. Why are you accusing me of things I never said?

 

You want to know why I won't debate with you? It's because every single time you put words in my mouth and twist what I say around into something else. It's pointless and goes nowhere.

Edited by BakeNeko-Chan, 08 March 2014 - 09:59 PM.

[Phantom_999]

I think it's a mistake, there's no midterm when it comes to being honest or lying, you cant say it's complex(which for me it's not complex) just to force the benefit of doubt about what she said there, you cant pick next chapters to prove what she said might be true or fake even if Sakura ends up with Naruto in the end it wont change that the confession was a lie because it was.
She loved Sasuke and her motivation and the reason she did that confession was explained all the times.
She wasnt doing the confession because she wanted to be with Naruto but because she wanted to keep him out of danger, it's explained thoughout the series that her role is to support Naruto and she wants to do her best for it.
She decided to do the confession for Naruto's sake not hers that's make her confession fake, because it wanst out of romantic love but rather to help her friend.

 

Yeah, That WAS the point, but that does not mean that she did not mean it either. It was only not the right time to tell him. You're confusing the fact that it was the "wrong time to tell him" with "she can't mean it because she said it at the most inappropriate scenario." She was also under some desperate circumstances, so if you are implying that she was confessing on impulse, then you just countered your own logic there since she is saying what's on her mind without planning things out, so she does feel that way about him . And on the flip side, if she made up those reasons to make it sound convincing due to having a long walk there, then she would also have had the mind to know that was not how she felt about Naruto, and could have come up with a better excuse to see him and talk him out of rescuing Sasuke. And further more Sai told her Naruto loves her, before she went to go talk to him, so wouldn't it make the entire scheme seem like she is a terrible person too, to use Naruto's feelings like that? I don't think that was Kishi's intention and he would not be able to defend how she was handled no matter how hard he tries, if that was the case. It would ruin her credibility beyond redemption. Naruto loves her, but she does not love him back and will pretend to anyway? Does that sound a heroine? And most importantly, does that sound like she is supporting Naruto as a friend, if not as his girlfriend/lover? Finally, it is true she was trying to convincing herself of why Sasuke must be killed so that she can do it herself, because she was only talking about how he affected her and not everyone else as a whole so that was the only thing that seemed "made up on the spot". She was trying to steel her self to do the deed. It is only a matter of poor execution. And just because it was poorly executed does not mean that she "faked" her confession.       

Edited by Phantom_999, 08 March 2014 - 11:02 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

Ladies and Gentleman.....I bring you...DEATH OF THE AUTHOR

http://tvtropes.org/...eathOfTheAuthor

"Just because you wrote it, what makes you think you have the slightest idea what it's about?"

Apparently to some, the Naruto fanbase knows more about the work than Kishimoto himself.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 08 March 2014 - 10:52 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Yeah, That WAS the point, but that does not mean that she did not mean it either. It was only not the right time to tell him. You're confusing the fact that it was the "wrong time to tell him" with "she can't mean it because she said it at the most inappropriate scenario." She was also under some desperate circumstances however, so if you are implying that she was confessing on impulse, then you just countered your own logic there since she is saying what's on her mind without planning things out, so she

Because i havent posted my whole opinion about it.
She left konoha with the feelings of guilty, sadness and a tough attitude with the expression of someome who believes is going to do the right thing.
She plans the confession, because returning Naruto's feelings is the best scenario, make Naruto happy and lessen his pain of Sasuke.
She decides to return Naruto's feelings to keep him safe it's a sacrifice.
She knew it would not work but went with the same reason Naruto went to talk with the raikage.

The confession fails then she does the plan B : Kill Sasuke.
However if it was for Sasuke's sake she would do it with her teammates if it was for Naruto, she would do it alone and make him hate her since she knows that Naruto knows about her feelings for Sasuke.

All confrontations are avoided and Naruto is unable to preceive and acknowledge Sakura's actions.

Sakura was willing to sacrifice herself, she did planned things however she failed due to her own feelings.
On the confession her inability to prove to Naruto she didnt loved Sasuke and the confession being uninspired and on the later her inability of killing Sasuke and that she was aware of it because she loved him.
She's shown to be faultering at the moment she met him at the bridge and yet even during the meeting she was still evaluating the decision to kill him.
 

does feel that way about him . And if you say that she made up those reasons to make it sound convincing due to having a long walk there, then she would also have had the mind to know that was not how she felt about Naruto, and could have come up with a better excuse to see him and talk him out of rescuing Sasuke. And further more Sai told her Naruto loves her, before she went to go talk to him, so wouldn't it make the entire scheme seem like she is a terrible person too, to use Naruto's feelings like that? I don't think that was Kishi's intention and he would not be able to defend how she was handled no matter how hard he tries, if that was the case. It would ruin her credibility beyond redemption. Naruto loves her, but she does not love him back and will pretend to anyway? Does that sound right? Finally, True she was trying to convincing herself of why Sasuke must be killed so that she can do it herself, because she was only talking about how he affected her and not everyone else as a whole, so that was the only thing that seemed "made up on the spot". She was trying to steel her self to do the deed. So it is only a matter of poor execution. And just because it was poorly executed does not mean that she does not mean her confession.

You just said the reason why the confession would never work, she didnt loved Naruto and after all the things Naruto witnessed between Sakura and Sasuke would you think a simple love would make Naruto believe?
His first reaction was of suspicious and even Sakura herself knew it would fail but she did it just like Naruto also tried to ask the raikage to pardon Sasuke.
It doesnt mean she loves Naruto romantically, she even tried to explain that she didnt cared about Sasuke and even worse made it look like she wants to be with Naruto because she could be with Sasuke.
How can she be honest on this moment?
I dont get why people try so hard to prove that Sakura was honest there when it makes no sense.

About the last part, it was poor executed however it wasnt a confession because the picture is about Sakura realzing Naruto's actions from her point of view.
And that's mirrored on the current chapters by now, she doesnt love Naruto but it's kinda obvious that the impression she's showing by now is that despite liking Sasuke she prefers to return Naruto's feelings, she's just not confused.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 08 March 2014 - 11:11 PM.

[Chatte]

I am gonna be brief with the whole 540 thing. I am a firm believer that before actually being interrupted, Sakura was going to refer to Naruto. The letter guy nin says that whoever she loves he is bound to be a great guy. Sakura thinks at Sasuke. Why?! In my opinion is not because she loves him, but because not all the guys she loves are great guys, that's the irony of it.

It's like I said million times, that thing with Uzumaki and red hair. Whoever Sakura loves must be a great guy - All Uzumakis have red hair. But not all the guys Sakura loves are indeed great guys - Not all Uzumaki have red hair. As simple as that. To me it seems that we're complicating things more than necessary. But hey, that's just ... me.

[James S Cassidy]

I am gonna be brief with the whole 540 thing. I am a firm believer that before actually being interrupted, Sakura was going to refer to Naruto. The letter guy nin says that whoever she loves he is bound to be a great guy. Sakura thinks at Sasuke. Why?! In my opinion is not because she loves him, but because not all the guys she loves are great guys, that's the irony of it.

It's like I said million times, that thing with Uzumaki and red hair. Whoever Sakura loves must be a great guy - All Uzumakis have red hair. But not all the guys Sakura loves are indeed great guys - Not all Uzumaki have red hair. As simple as that. To me it seems that we're complicating things more than necessary. But hey, that's just ... me.

Makes me wonder who is really misinterpreting what...
 

[Qia]

I am gonna be brief with the whole 540 thing. I am a firm believer that before actually being interrupted, Sakura was going to refer to Naruto. The letter guy nin says that whoever she loves he is bound to be a great guy. Sakura thinks at Sasuke. Why?! In my opinion is not because she loves him, but because not all the guys she loves are great guys, that's the irony of it.

It's like I said million times, that thing with Uzumaki and red hair. Whoever Sakura loves must be a great guy - All Uzumakis have red hair. But not all the guys Sakura loves are indeed great guys - Not all Uzumaki have red hair. As simple as that. To me it seems that we're complicating things more than necessary. But hey, that's just ... me.

 

I actually had that view in mind after a while....but the fandom makes me afraid to think that way about it. That I just have to go with the assumption that she loves him rather than LOVED him (in that past), and that the only fact her not being able to kill Sasuke confirms is that she still cares about what happens to him like Naruto, despite all that he's done. 

 

Another scene I'd like to mention is a recent one, where Sakura sees that Naruto's dying. Wouldn't it have made sense, if she loved Sasuke as much as some people seem to think, that she would worry about what might have happened to him too? Yet...we aren't shown this. She's fully focused on just Naruto. Not a single thought of Sasuke. 

Edited by Qia, 08 March 2014 - 11:29 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I am gonna be brief with the whole 540 thing. I am a firm believer that before actually being interrupted, Sakura was going to refer to Naruto. The letter guy nin says that whoever she loves he is bound to be a great guy. Sakura thinks at Sasuke. Why?! In my opinion is not because she loves him, but because not all the guys she loves are great guys, that's the irony of it.
It's like I said million times, that thing with Uzumaki and red hair. Whoever Sakura loves must be a great guy - All Uzumakis have red hair. But not all the guys Sakura loves are indeed great guys - Not all Uzumaki have red hair. As simple as that. To me it seems that we're complicating things more than necessary. But hey, that's just ... me.

The only thing that bugged me on that scene was that she replied fast with "there's someome else i like.."
It made it look like she didnt evaluated her feelings for Sasuke after all that mess.
Anyway i think the great guy mirrored on the moments now.
I get the impression that she may even like Sasuke but doesnt want to be with him because of what happened, on which Kishi compares her with the other two girls.
While Sakura doesnt want to pursue Sasuke anymore, Karin on the other hand wants to have sex with him and Ino thinks that Sasuke is a perfect love.
 

I actually had that view in mind after a while....but the fandom makes me afraid to think that way about it. That I just have to go with the assumption that she loves him rather than LOVED him (in that past), and that the only fact her not being able to kill Sasuke confirms is that she still cares about what happens to him like Naruto, despite all that he's done.

I used to think like that but the flashbacks when she's about to kill Sasuke suggest an aproach on her own feelings, not comradeship as team 7.
 
 

Another scene I'd like to mention is a recent one, where Sakura sees that Naruto's dying. Wouldn't it have made sense, if she loved Sasuke as much as some people seem to think, that she would worry about what might have happened to him too? Yet...we aren't shown this. She's fully focused on just Naruto. Not a single thought of Sasuke.

I think it doesnt show like that all the way because on previous chapters when Narut o and Ssauke were fighting she always kept asking about the two.
But i agree with you on this part.
I think she cares way more about Naruto but it's not on this moment that shows like this but rather before her power-up when she sought acknowledgement from Naruto not Sasuke.
And on 573 like James pointed out, her goal on this is to support Naruto the best way she can and be acknowledged because of it.
She did a speech towards the alliance to gather up and help her to protect Naruto, later her jutsu complements the Kyuubi's chakra's cloak by making Naruto to not worry about healing fodder ninjas, and later by saving his life.
Saving Naruto's life which she's doing right now is probably what she wanted to do, i'm looking forward to Naruto's reaction.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 08 March 2014 - 11:35 PM.

[Chatte]

Makes me wonder who is really misinterpreting what...
 

Dunno, to be honest. I am so tired of complicating things when as a matter of fact they're not that complicated. Just presented in a more fancy way. If u take into consideration, Sakura up to her confession for Naruto never spoke openly about her feelings. After that, she started it. So who else she should refer to? Sasuke? It sounds stupid even if u take it into consideration. What was she going to say? You know, there's someone else I love, but I also confessed to someone else and that's the story of my life.

Hell, no! We all know that the actual answer would've been crystal clear but for drama purposes and authorial intent, she's always interrupted when it comes to her feelings for Naruto.

And when the guys says that any man she loves or loved or whatever, is bound to be a great guy she thinks about Sasuke. Why? IS quite simple. Yes, she loved Sasuke, but he wasn't a great guy, so she reflects about those words thinking about the great aspect thing. But that doesn't mean she is still in love with Sasuke. Because like I said, if u take into consideration some certain elements, it doesn't stick.

Like someone would come and tell me that any man I love must be a great guy. Well, not all the men I loved were great guys so yeah, it's one of those things I'd react like... "If only you know. No, actually not all the men I love are bound to be great guys. Some of them were actually jerks"

That's the case here with Sakura. But then again, that's just... me.

 

 

 

I actually had that view in mind after a while....but the fandom makes me afraid to think that way about it. That I just have to go with the assumption that she loves him rather than LOVED him (in that past), and that the only fact her not being able to kill Sasuke confirms is that she still cares about what happens to him like Naruto, despite all that he's done. 

 

Another scene I'd like to mention is a recent one, where Sakura sees that Naruto's dying. Wouldn't it have made sense, if she loved Sasuke as much as some people seem to think, that she would worry about what might have happened to him too? Yet...we aren't shown this. She's fully focused on just Naruto. Not a single thought of Sasuke. 

I don't care what the fandom thinks to be honest. Everyone is free to feel and think whatever, but for me these things are crystal clear. But maybe that's just me and my obsession with reading underneath the underneath and uncomplicate things and think why is this and IF it's another course, would it make sense? And in Sakura's case, it doesn't.

 

As for the second part, I wholeheartedly agree! Sakura knew they were fighiting together. We must remember minutes ago she was asking Hinata what about them both, but in the moment Naruto came hurt, she didn't even think about Sasuke for a second, although she knew they were fighting together.

 

So yeah.

 

Anyway sorry for the typos, kinda on my way to leave and i am in a hurry.

 

 

The only thing that bugged me on that scene was that she replied fast with "there's someome else i like.."
It made it look like she didnt evaluated her feelings for Sasuke after all that mess.
Anyway i think the great guy mirrored on the moments now.
I get the impression that she may even like Sasuke but doesnt want to be with him because of what happened, on which Kishi compares her with the other two girls.
While Sakura doesnt want to pursue Sasuke anymore, Karin on the other hand wants to have sex with him and Ino thinks that Sasuke is a perfect love.

Actually she never really said... All she managed was to "There's someone else I..."

Never really said what, actually.

As for your other interpretation, I disagree with it, so I think we will just leave it at that. :)

Edited by Chatte, 08 March 2014 - 11:48 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know...

What Chatte said is something that does make sense. Now, I can't say she is 100% right, but she's entitled her opinion and with opinions, you can be the judge on which is the most likely suitable case for the series and yourself. That said this does make sense to me, probably the most among others. I mean you do have twice referring to Sakura with Sasuke being "used to love" in third-party manga materials and anime. The only drawback is that they're not from the original manga itself, so it's hard to argue being the best source.

Still, it does beg the question to write that way. Either way, I guess we can only hope if the manga is clearer on this in the near future.

[KnS]

Ladies and Gentleman.....I bring you...DEATH OF THE AUTHOR

http://tvtropes.org/...eathOfTheAuthor

"Just because you wrote it, what makes you think you have the slightest idea what it's about?"

Apparently to some, the Naruto fanbase knows more about the work than Kishimoto himself.

 

Maybe it's the writer in me, but I have never fully agreed with the concept that reader interpretation trumps authorial intent.  Or maybe it's that I'm not arrogant enough to believe that I can find a different, superior, deeper, or more logical interpretation of events than the author.

 

The main issue I have with the trope article is this bit:  "Books are meant to be read, not written, and so the ways readers interpret them are more important and 'real' than the ways writers write them."  Yes, books are meant to be read, but they don't exist at all if they aren't written.  In my opinion that makes the assertion flawed out of the gate, and an attempt to provide entitlement to readers that supercedes the will of an author.  At best, the question of interpretive importance is a chicken-or-egg loop.

 

Reader interpretation certainly matters, and obviously affects reader experience.  But there are so many factors that contribute to interpretation -- bias, life experience, intelligence, education, reading comprehension, translation, etc. -- that the diversity and depth of reader interpretation will vary.

 

It reminds me of Sheldon and Stuart (on The Big Bang Theory) arguing about whether it's possible to be "more wrong."  Sheldon argued that wrong was an absolute state not subject to gradation, but Stuart disagreed, saying, "It's a little wrong to call a tomato a vegetable, it's a lot wrong to call it a suspension bridge."

 

That's the way I view reader interpretation.  Some may interpret that a tomato is a fruit, and be right.  Some may interpret it as a vegetable, and be right in most of the ways that probably count.  But what about readers who interpret it as a suspension bridge?  Are they just as right?

 

That's assuming, of course, that Kishimoto knows (or says explicitly) that a tomato is a fruit.  And that's the argument that bolsters Death of an Author -- the presumption that the author had no clue and no specific intentions, and even if they did it's a flaw in their writing if readers don't understand.

 

It would be one thing if Kishimoto had not specifically addressed Sakura's confession, and made a point of saying his intention was to write her as an honest and determined girl.  But he did.  He's essentially suggesting, "Read it again with my intentions in mind."

 

Readers can willfully exclude Kishimoto's comments, and continue to believe Sakura was lying and the confession was fake, but in my opinion doing so is to venture into "suspension bridge" territory.  

 

Sakura's confession can be completely honest while still being an over-simplification or misunderstanding of her own feelings.  The two things are not mutually exclusive.

Edited by KnS, 08 March 2014 - 11:51 PM.

[Qia]

I used to think like that but the flashbacks when she's about to kill Sasuke suggest an aproach on her own feelings, not comradeship as team 7.

I disagree, but I think I'm gonna leave it at that as it only shows certain images so it's pretty much open to interpretation. 

Edited by Qia, 08 March 2014 - 11:58 PM.

[Chatte]

Also, in regards to Sakura's confession... I'm just gonna leave these here until I get to do that master-post about her confession I keep telling myself over an year now I have to do it, but oh well, time's short.

 

 

 

 

And also...

 

 

 

 

 

And this is a project I am still working on... with the rest of her confession, but yeah, I'll just leave these for now.

[James S Cassidy]

 

 

Maybe it's the writer in me, but I have never fully agreed with the concept that reader interpretation trumps authorial intent.  Or maybe it's that I'm not arrogant enough to believe that I can find a different, superior, deeper, or more logical interpretation of events than the author.

 

The main issue I have with the trope article is this bit:  "Books are meant to be read, not written, and so the ways readers interpret them are more important and 'real' than the ways writers write them."  Yes, books are meant to be read, but they don't exist at all if they aren't written.  In my opinion that makes the assertion flawed out of the gate, and an attempt to provide entitlement to readers that supercedes the will of an author.  At best, the question of interpretive importance is a chicken-or-egg loop.

 

Reader interpretation certainly matters, and obviously affects reader experience.  But there are so many factors that contribute to interpretation -- bias, life experience, intelligence, education, reading comprehension, translation, etc. -- that the diversity and depth of reader interpretation will vary.

 

It reminds me of Sheldon and Stuart (on The Big Bang Theory) arguing about whether it's possible to be "more wrong."  Sheldon argued that wrong was an absolute state not subject to gradation, but Stuart disagreed, saying, "It's a little wrong to call a tomato a vegetable, it's a lot wrong to call it a suspension bridge."

 

That's the way I view reader interpretation.  Some may interpret that a tomato is a fruit, and be right.  Some may interpret it as a vegetable, and be right in most of the ways that probably count.  But what about readers who interpret it as a suspension bridge?  Are they just as right?

 

That's assuming, of course, that Kishimoto knows (or says explicitly) that a tomato is a fruit.  And that's the argument that bolsters Death of an Author -- the presumption that the author had no clue and no specific intentions, and even if they did it's a flaw in their writing if readers don't understand.

 

It would be one thing if Kishimoto had not specifically addressed Sakura's confession, and made a point of saying his intention was to write her as an honest and determined girl.  But he did.  He's essentially suggesting, "Read it again with my intentions in mind."

 

Readers can willfully exclude Kishimoto's comments, and continue to believe Sakura was lying and the confession was fake, but in my opinion doing so is to venture into "suspension bridge" territory.  

 

Sakura's confession can be completely honest while still being an over-simplification or misunderstanding of her own feelings.  The two things are not mutually exclusive.

 

Yeah. I never believed in this either. If the author says it is meant to be read a certain way, then you have to read it that way...no exceptions.

[Otaru]

Ah...

Again this "confession".

 

I think it will always be a dark spot in this manga.

 

I think Kishimoto wants to depict Sakura as a girl who has a crush on someone, but loving someone else deep inside and not realising it at all. That's all.

 

This type of character is often found in mangas.

 

Don't be too bothered by this confession.

 

The essential IMO is that :

 

Sakura was ready to kill Sasuke for Naruto above everything else. She didn't decide it for the village, even if Shika triggered her choice to go search for him and kill him. She was ready to kill the one she loves/loved. That is much stronger than anything else. She wanted to free Naruto from the burden. All this was for Naruto. This is really strong. She was way too much affected by what Sai said to her. How can we still ask : "does she love Naruto" ? LOL

Of course she loves him.

But I still think she's not fully aware of it.

Her surprised face when Yamato tried to tell her, her surprised face when Sai talked about her being "gentle" to Naruto... and so on. What could Kishi have wanted to mean with that, if it's not that she's in love with him ?

 

We shouldn't try to break the puzzle too much because it's not helping anything and the writer is not flawless.

We should only try to understand what he wanted to mean, and what is his direction.

 

Until now, I only see Sakura loving Naruto.

 

She defends him.

She protects him.

She heals him.

She yells at him.

She cares for him.

She sacrificed for him.

 

It's too strong to be just friendship.

 

I just can't believe it's just friendship.

 

But she still doesn't understand that.

Edited by Otaru, 09 March 2014 - 01:15 AM.