Got bashed for liking Sakura wow just wow people

Great post James S Cassidy! When discussing female on male violence (or verbal anger), we also have to realize that in most societies gender-based equality doesn't exist and in societies in which traditional ideals are specifically that a woman be subservient to a man to an extreme extent, illustrating a scenario in which a woman talks boldly to a man or even reprimands him physically shows 1. their closeness, 2. how much the man cares for that woman that he's willing to take that, 3. how much that woman trusts that man. The idea that such comedy is "sexist" assumes either that the genders are equal, that there's a sort of institutionalized gender disparity that overwhelmingly and negatively affects men (which is false, there are quite a few men who petulantly scream "misandry, misandry" when governments work to make a more equal playing field, while despite these objections over all it is misogyny that negatively affects woman and men). A man hitting a woman he loves can't be played for comedy in the same way because of how prevalent man-on-woman violence actually is in real life (and I'm not saying that there are no cases of domestic violence in which women attack men, it happens, just not as often...it's not even close). If all things were equal, if there were no gender differences in terms of violence etc etc then I agree that it would be exceptionally gross to use f-o-m violence for the sake of comedy, but that's not the world we live in, and when analyzing the real work it makes such comedy more understandable...and well...funnier.

Bolded: lol. Okay, I have to laugh at this one. You say you don't like it when Sakura hits Naruto and claim about equality, but you like Love Hina which cranks that sort of violence up to 11 to the power of 5? It kind of doesn't help set a good image when trying to debate. That's like saying "I hate guns, they should be banned," but then people see me go to the shooting range every saturday.

No, I got your point quite clear, but the problem with this logic is is that if you think men and woman should be equal then do men have the right to hit women when they do something wrong? Many say no. I am sure you will probably tell me that "No one should hit anyone," but unfortunately that's not how it works. Sadly, this world never sees the third option. I do want to point out though that in the manga when Sakura hits Naruto he kind of deserves it...most of the time. Usually, he does something childish or inappropriate that warrants a smack to the face, unlike Naru who kind of just hits Keitaro at times for the sake of hitting and a few moments at that where she hit him even though it was her fault to begin with. Like the times she hit him out of fits of jealousy. Actually, now that I think about it the only hit that really was warranted was the last one she did with head butted him out of embarrassment.

Kaze No Stigma is actually one where I see the guy hit the girl more often because she does something stupid. Is this just as inappropriate?

The sad truth is is that if woman were treated on the same caliber as men...things would be a lot worse for woman. I am not saying that woman are weak, but rather they are different. Our biology is different and sometimes men can handle things that woman cannot and vice-versa. Like how can woman say the greatest pain is childbirth, but think that a punch in the face hurts more? Woman can be fighters too and at times they can throw some punches that even men get taken back from. However, I think men on average are built tougher than woman in terms of biology structure.

Yeah, apparently the idea of the perfect girl is one who is really subservient.

No, you misunderstand me. I never said that that I disapprove of comedic violence or Sakura hitting Naruto. And I did not say that I always laughed at Keitaro getting hit by Naru. I was actually pretty testy about the abuse in that one though I enjoyed the plot and Naru actually had pay back against her by Kanako. What I'm against is the sexist notion that women hitting men is never a serious issue and that when men are hit they always deserve it, or are "wimps" to just take it. "Kaze No Stigma is actually one where I see the guy hit the girl more often because she does something stupid. Is this just as inappropriate?" That's my entire point on this, If a male hits a female is it taken seriously? If so, why? Is it because males are supposed to be bigger and stronger, so to hit a female is abusive due to his "superior" strength or size? On the flip side why do we laugh off a female hitting a male? Is it because it looks ridiculous that a man is being beat up by a "weaker woman"? Does that mean a woman can never be stronger than a man and can never seriously harm a man? Plus does that mean a man that can not or will not physically handle a woman is a coward and a weakling? Or that the woman can never be wrong and her smacking him is justified 100%, because the man is always the idiot, pervert, slob, etc.? And most of all If a man defends himself against a woman, it is still his fault?

I'm not someone who would believe that no one should hit anyone else, not at all. I'm not so deluded. Rather, my take on this is that "violence for comedy" is mostly one sided, wouldn't you agree? how many times do you see a woman hit a man in comedic fashion, and compare it to how much you see it with the sexes reversed. Point being is it seems that mostly women are the comedic violent ones is probably due to the subconscious mind set that I question above. Plus there is the fact with how we take the male on female violence too. Males abusing females sure don't get as many chuckles if at all, right? however that is rather hypocritical. If the situation was the same but it was on the reverse for the sexes it should still be funny then. For instance, If the male in Kaze no Stigma hits the girl because she did something stupid and in the eyes of the audience she deserved it, plus there are no sympathizing injuries then I see no problem with it, because that is what Slapstick is supposed to be. But there are not many Male tsunderes hitting their female love interest or friends are there?

Plus what you are talking about with "Women being treated the same as men is disadvantageous to them" is not about equality but equity. You want to know what the difference is? Here's an Example. A company does not hire a man for a job because he's in a wheelchair. that is inequality. The company hires the man in the wheelchair, but expects him to use the stairs like everyone else. That is inequity. See the difference? Equality is to give everyone the opportunity and the right, while equity is giving different people the means to be on equal standing, position, and the like without exclusion. If a Female is given the same position as a male, but lacks the means to do some things as well a male, say like her physical strength, she should be accommodated to keep up with them or stay clear of the physical work, but be no less valued. Does that make sense? That is equality and equity.

Finally, you could say the ironic thing about that subservient preference is that Japan values it more.

Edited by Phantom_999, 30 October 2013 - 03:12 AM.

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