The anime is chalkful of fanservice and exaggeration. I didn't find the manga version of Hinata impressive or absolutely amazing. It wasn't. It just wasn't, it was selfish. And when I watched that episode the first time my reaction was this "
. This didn't happen, did it? I'm positive.
What's with the flashbacks of Hinata being bullied? I don't remember that either." Basically, I spent more than half of the episode wondering what the hell I was watching. I actually found it
touching, which was weird because when I read the confession I didn't think so. Afterwards, I re-reading the Hinata confession and almost lost all my faith in Pierrot right there.
They
exaggerated everything and tried to turn Hinata into Sakura. A child bullied by other kids, but had to be rescued. And you know what? It doesn't even make
sense. It makes sense for Sakura. She was unpopular and had no friends. Hinata is a
heiress for crying out loud. I know her father was disappointed in her, but she still had high status.
Why does it make absolute sense to be bullied when she's from the Hyuga Clan? It doesn't, not at all. My faith in Studio Pierrot is very low, despite the fact that I still watch the anime. After something like 166, no wonder NaruHina's so popular!
I don't think Hinata was being stupid there, but she certainly wasn't making herself look any better. Like I said, she was being impulsive and not thinking. Hinata had good intentions for sure and she didn't take the chakra recievers out because she didn't care. It seemed like Hinata just gave up. "I'm gonna die. I have to tell Naruto-kun now." That's what she was thinking. That's why it was selfish. Naruto felt guilty over her "death" which led to anger. You make a very good point. I have no idea
what Hinata thought she would accomplish by charging at Pain. She was being reckless and not acting like a proper ninja. Maybe it was the stressful situation or something, but you have to
think more in situations like this. Be more level-headed, something Hinata often fails to demonstrate. She even got distracted and over-worried when Naruto got hit
once by Obito on that mission to find Sasuke. Didn't Kishimoto originally intend for Hinata to be a civilian? It actually makes sense. Hinata's personality and lack of focus is not what a ninja should be. It's almost like she isn't
meant to be a ninja.
I have no doubt Sakura would've of thought of something much better. Despite how emotional and reckless she can be sometimes, Sakura's a lot more focused and determined than Hinata is. I see her gathering some people to help Naruto and then pull the chakra recievers out while they distract Pain. She would definitely not run blindly without
some form of plan like Hinata did. Sakura would jump in front of Naruto if she had to for sure.
There is no way Naruto would confess if he was about to die. It seems too selfish of a burden to put on Sakura and we all know Naruto isn't selfish like that. Naruto keeps things like love or whatever inside. He doesn't talk about it very much like Hinata or Part 1 Sakura did. If Sakura begged him to tell her he loved her, I see him lying or avoiding it for some reason. I doubt he'd outright say it, even on his deathbed.
Yeah I felt that was an a**pull ton Pierrot's part just make Hinata seem even more aware of Naruto's situation. REALLY, WHO would bully a member of the Hyuuga family? they are highly revered and have influential status in the village so even if they don't notice her cause she is shy no one in their right minds would think of picking on her. Pierrot is just messing things up as usual when it comes to Hinata
It is not so much that I think that Naruto's feelings have already changed and that you can already see this from canon. I bolded that part because I feel that addresses the topic at hand the most. I feel more that there is a strong possibility that Naruto's feelings will change in the future and that from the war arc on we have seen, mainly in ch 615 with him acknowledging Hinata and holding her hand, hints of this. So I am not really one of those people who think that Naruto is already in love with Hinata. (Though it is possible that Kishi will have Naruto realize that he has fallen in love with Hinata earlier but haven't realized that until recently.) The way I see it, Sakura is still in love with Sasuke and none of the bad things he has done have changed that. Hinata is still in love with Naruto and is becoming more and more important by his side, as his partner, as we see in the latest chapters. Kishi must have a reason to write things in this way. If he was writing NS, IMO, he would have written things differently. These factors, for example, make me think that NH will happen in the future.
I'm not sure I understand your question. Do you mean that if it was Hinata hugging Naruto instead of Sakura, just the girls switching places, would I think that scene romantic then? Or do you mean that if from the beginning Hinata had been in team 7 instead of Sakura, beating Naruto up and despising him then befriending him, doing everything Sakura has done but as Hinata, would I then think the relationship romantic?
You see, we know 100% that Hinata is in love with Naruto. We do not know for 100% that Sakura is in love with Naruto. So the context is completely different with Hinata and her actions towards Naruto. If a girl hugs a boy we know she is in love with, of course it is easy to see that hug as romantic. But when we have no reason to think that Sakura loves Naruto romantically, when we know that she definitely loves him at least as a friend, then the hug between them can be seen just asplatonic. You keep trying to pretend that the context does not change when you switch the roles/actions of girls but it does change.
There are different types of love, sure, but you all keep misusing Japanese. Aikitteneru is not some really powerful love and the most romantic form of love you can have. It is simply a more formal way of saying "I love you". Daisuki is more informal, not lesser love in itself. Japanese has multiple ways of being spoken. You can speak Japanese very formally and there are special words/forms that you use then. Then there is more informal style. You speak differently to your boss, to your mom, to your friends. This is part of what makes Japanese such a difficult language to learn.
Ah hello Poison-chan.
Well then let's see. I would like to debate with you here on your points. While there is a chance Naruto's feelings will change there has been no expressing of it yet and to be honest I felt that the best chance of Naruto recuperating Hinata's feelings were when she confessed to him. If he felt anything for her there it should have been at least hinted at, plus he should have at least answered her. Yeah that particularly leaves it open to be addressed later, but could also mean that it could just be left at that.
Sakura still loves Sasuke and that will never change that...... Hmm. Can't you're wrong except that the way she sees him HAS changed and we have yet to see other wise. If her love for him has not changed in the least she still would see him in some sort of manner that portrays him as the man of her dreams and be all flustered and happy. But has she shown that in chapter 540? And I recall you stating that "the angst and non-positive portrayal"is what attracts you to them in the first place.
So Sakura may still love Sasuke but the way she regards him has shifted, we can't deny that.
But was evidence is there that she has not moved on, dear? We know she loves Naruto and she has matured because of that, but there is no way to indicate that the 615 scene and the one in 573 is not saying that she will let go of Naruto and stop fangirling him. Just stating the possibility. While In contrast Sakura Sakura's feelings for Naruto are changing, you can't deny it. Proven by the things she has done for Sasuke before she is now doing for Naruto too, No? Things like feeding him or hugging him (just as much as she did to Sasuke might I add, a whopping two times). Plus that confession at 469 seemed pretty real to me; she was blushing and her expression showed no sign that she was just playing him. The only thing that deconstructs her feelings for Naruto as far as I can tell is that the story keeps volleying back and forth who she thinks about on those at various instances. like at 540, she had good reason to think of Naruto but did not, though admittedly there are other factors to consider. But the point being is that though Sakura has always been teetering between the two of the she has shown Naruto affection like she did with Sasuke when he was with them, so it may not be 100% but I feel its pretty obvious in a way too. Plus the SS hints do not seem solid to me, but that is just my point of view on things and I'm not saying SS is not possible.
Umm, okay I know using the Japanese language as an argument it self is silly but to be honest lots of anime fans hear the word "suki" when a character is being confessed to. So that is the general interpretation. It's
because we do not truly understand Japanese speech patterns that we do that, so yes we can't state the way "love" was used as an argument. But I can not agree that you are saying others are misusing it, because if Sakura said "suki" to Sasuke as well, then It makes her confession no more special or mean any more than to when she confessed to Naruto.
Anyway those are my thoughts on the matter. I see the validity of you arguments, but these are my opinions just to let you know .
Edited by Phantom_999, 21 February 2013 - 04:27 PM.
