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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

i prefer sasuke to die because i dont like sharingan at all i prefer it to be erradicated, and plus without any sharingans in the world no one would try to capture the bijuus or do something similar to what tobi is doing, the world will be at peace 4ever.

[James S Cassidy]

I agree with many that he should live but be out the village. For those saying that Sasuke becoming a wanderer is Naruto failing, I feel that Naruto's goal now is more of Sasuke being saved from hatred and darkness rather than necessarily bringing him back to the village. I also don't want people saying " NS happened because Sasuke died".

Then by this post I proclaim that it is no longer valid to put up the argument that "Sasuke cannot die because it means Naruto has failed." Any other argument I can accept. Simply because as you said: "His goal is more about saving him from the hatred and darkness rather than necessarily bringing him back." Sasuke can become good again and still die in the process. It can be done, it has been done in other stories, and can work here.

As I said, it does not make sense that Naruto can not accept Sasuke dying, but can accept Sasuke being a wanderer. If the whole purpose is to bring Sasuke back to the village, then him becoming a wanderer means that Naruto still fails. Either he accepts both outcomes, or he accepts none of them.

BTW, I am all for the self-sacrifice for Naruto thing. Not necessarily save the day, but "take a bullet." It is the outcome I think best suits the whole situation. People don't like this outcome it makes Sasuke look like a hero. Well, I can't accept Sasuke being wander simply because of the contradiction above as I said and because I find it unsatisfactory. He gets a free-pass.

haters are always going to find an excuse for NS if it happens ...well naruto is probably going to save sasuke from his darkness but what i'am confused about is whether he would leave for good after being saved

And that's why I am not too worried about this whole "NS happened because Sasuke died." Whether true or not people will claim this anyway.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 24 August 2012 - 05:02 PM.

[PachucoDesigns]

Naruto's goal is foolish and naive in the first place. He's not trying to save Sasuke, because Sasuke doesn't want to be saved and there is nothing to definitively save him from. He's just trying to bring his friend back to his side, and unless Kishimoto sells out to the cliche "and they all lived happily ever after" ending, it will not happen. Nor should it. Sasuke owes no allegiance to the Leaf, and he is justified for distancing himself from them.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Naruto's goal is foolish and naive in the first place. He's not trying to save Sasuke, because Sasuke doesn't want to be saved and there is nothing to definitively save him from. He's just trying to bring his friend back to his side, and unless Kishimoto sells out to the cliche "and they all lived happily ever after" ending, it will not happen. Nor should it. Sasuke owes no allegiance to the Leaf, and he is justified for distancing himself from them.

he said that his dream is to become hokage and surpass all the previous others this is his main dream.

Sasuke already made his decision he will try to dstroy the leaf i think the encounter between naruto and sasuke in this war will just reinforce it and define once and for all, sasuke is convinced of his desire to destroy konoha even if he do it his brother will still love him.

[candycane-chan]

he said that his dream is to become hokage and surpass all the previous others this is his main dream.

Sasuke already made his decision he will try to dstroy the leaf i think the encounter between naruto and sasuke in this war will just reinforce it and define once and for all, sasuke is convinced of his desire to destroy konoha even if he do it his brother will still love him.

but i think he's questioning his revenge

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didnt sasuke go with orichimaru know to find out the truth( there are always more secrets)because apparently after talking with itachi he wants to know why he(itachi) is so loyal to the village so he's questioning everything at the moment

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

but i think he's questioning his revenge

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didnt sasuke go with orichimaru know to find out the truth( there are always more secrets)because apparently after talking with itachi he wants to know why he(itachi) is so loyal to the village so he's questioning everything at the moment

nope, he went to go with orochimaru just to find a purpose beyond his revenge, he said he didnt give up he just wanted to know all the truth and find an objective otherwise he will be just a kid that wants revenge.

[Don-kun]

nope, he went to go with orochimaru just to find a purpose beyond his revenge, he said he didnt give up he just wanted to know all the truth and find an objective otherwise he will be just a kid that wants revenge.

Unless Kishi wants to make a Goku vs Krilin 2.0 friendly fight in the end, this is a very powerful statement. If they are destined to fight to death, Sasuke will return very evil from that trip.

[candycane-chan]

Unless Kishi wants to make a Goku vs Krilin 2.0 friendly fight in the end, this is a very powerful statement. If they are destined to fight to death, Sasuke will return very evil from that trip.

i hope not that would be too much angst

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Unless Kishi wants to make a Goku vs Krilin 2.0 friendly fight in the end, this is a very powerful statement. If they are destined to fight to death, Sasuke will return very evil from that trip.

No i think u dont get it.

Look at madara, madara wanted to take revenge on his clan and the village for not being ellected as a Hokage and take orders from his "rival" Shodaime.
he got "banned" and went all in against shodaime, but his objective was to destroy the leaf and his clan but he learn that he could achieve something bigger he could control the entire world with a power, so he capture the kyuub and go to on all-in battle against shodaime when we thought he was dead but no he just get shodaime's DNA and spend years and years in research and comes with up tsukino-mi.

Look at sasuke now, he objective is revenge too against the village, but he will seek a purpose and greater objective, suigetsu already give a hint "with this we can control the world", if sasuke control the world he will achieve his revenge the same way, if u did not noticed even some parts of the background are similar to madara, his personality is close to madara his arrogant part and evil side he will not be someome that will act by emotions he will become more patient and will make a plan instead of just going to head towards naruto and fight.
He will seek power in the end they will be much like shodaime vs madara or (power) vs (love) but the last battle that will decide the fate of the world and will end the long lasting conflict of the shinobi's world.

[candycane-chan]

thhats a very interesting idea so you think that naruto will not be able to save sasuke,but sasuke and naruto have a stronger bond or atleast used to

Edited by candycane-chan, 24 August 2012 - 10:16 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

thhats a very interesting idea so you think that naruto will not be able to fight sasuke,but sasuke and naruto have a stronger bond or atleast used to

he will fight this new sasuke objective will be the opposite as naruto beliefs.

[candycane-chan]

he will fight this new sasuke objective will be the opposite as naruto beliefs.

so what you mean is that naruto will fight sasuke thinking he is going to bring him back but ends killing him... :unsure:or do you mean that after sasuke returns from with orichimaru perhaps even darker then before naruto will have to protect every precious person and decides to acually kill him before they fight

[Don-kun]

No i think u dont get it.

Look at madara, madara wanted to take revenge on his clan and the village for not being ellected as a Hokage and take orders from his "rival" Shodaime.
he got "banned" and went all in against shodaime, but his objective was to destroy the leaf and his clan but he learn that he could achieve something bigger he could control the entire world with a power, so he capture the kyuub and go to on all-in battle against shodaime when we thought he was dead but no he just get shodaime's DNA and spend years and years in research and comes with up tsukino-mi.

Look at sasuke now, he objective is revenge too against the village, but he will seek a purpose and greater objective, suigetsu already give a hint "with this we can control the world", if sasuke control the world he will achieve his revenge the same way, if u did not noticed even some parts of the background are similar to madara, his personality is close to madara his arrogant part and evil side he will not be someome that will act by emotions he will become more patient and will make a plan instead of just going to head towards naruto and fight.
He will seek power in the end they will be much like shodaime vs madara or (power) vs (love) but the last battle that will decide the fate of the world and will end the long lasting conflict of the shinobi's world.

You see dovahkiin I did agree with you I think Sasuke will become more evil.
This is what I said about your post: Your post is a very powerful statement. If they are destined to fight to death, Sasuke will return very evil from that trip.

Only those who love those silly cliche stories will believe that they will be a Goku vs Krillin 2.0, Sasuke did not went with a good person he went with a very bad person and if they turn Orochimaru a very sinister villain into a lovely nice guy, then I will hate this Manga.

[PachucoDesigns]

At this point, it's pretty much demonstrated that the Uchiha were ultimately enemies of the Leaf and its ideals, regardless of which side instigated it. That's how it was since the village was founded, since Madara lost the fight for control to the First. There has always been a grudge for that, and that's what it was all about in the first place. At the orders of the Third and his administration, the Uchiha were murdered en masse, and Itachi was made to be the instrument of their demise with the bogus excuse of "testing his power." That was a lie that Sasuke based his life around, a lie that darkened his heart, and when he acted on it, he was labeled as a rogue ninja. Because of what the Leaf did, his family and entire clan were murdered in a conflict he could not understand, he lived his life miserably based on a total lie, and wound up killing the person who loved him the most. They took everything from him, and to return to the Leaf now just because Naruto wants it would be totally absurd.

People here have told me that his hatred is petty, that he shouldn't hate the entirety of the Leaf just because of the actions of a few, but that's not how it works. That's never how it works, and the history of any war will tell you that. If you are a citizen under the rule of a certain dictator or council, you may disagree with their ideals. Depending on the laws, you may even be entitled to your own opinion. But the moment you fly the banner/wear the symbol/bear the coat of arms of the leader in charge, you are actively submitting that you are beneath that ruler's command, and that his decisions represent your will. And while flying that banner, if you act against the command of your leader, there is a word for that. It's called treason. The Hokage's decision represents the will of the Leaf, everyone who wears the symbol and fights for its ideals. And when the Hokage ordered the death of the Uchiha clan, when he ordered that a lie be perpetuated to tuck the dirty little secret under the rug, his actions represented the will of the entire village. Especially because its primary purpose is as a military presence. That is what a leader is; not a ruler, but an icon of ideals and a representative of the collective will.

Whether the Hokage's decision was just or not, whether it was called for or not, it was an affront on Sasuke directly. He has no reason to remain with the Leaf, and has every reason to hate them. That's why I would only accept an ending where he dies or where he becomes a wanderer. His return to the Leaf and Team 7 is the most ridiculous, anticlimactic ending I can possibly imagine. I hate it when stories like this are reduced to sentiments of good and evil. It's never that simple.

Edited by PachucoDesigns, 25 August 2012 - 06:09 PM.

[candycane-chan]

he sank so much in darkness anyway and the odds are that no body would forgive him anyway ,how could the villagers let him in knowing that he wore the akatsuki cloak and that he had injured his comrades and the team assined to retrieve him and was the cause of their almost deaths and the ACTUAL death of some.He wanted to kidnap killer be you think that his older brother will let it pass if he sees sasuke again i dont see him being saved either becuase he seems to be getting crazier chapter by chapter and one chapter you think he could be saved and then BAM he lost his chance a long time ago..and as for naruto although he wants him back i dont know (if he ever saves sasuke) how he will be able to look in his face after he tried killing him , sakura,and kakashi there will always be the WHAt IF HE DID IT AGAIN

[merryGOflava]

i think he will live hes a anti-hero :3 like zuko

[candycane-chan]

i think he will live hes a anti-hero :3 like zuko

other then his teammates i dont remember him saving anybody and shouldnt an anti hero have an objective of doing good but in the wrong way...and as far as i am concerned all his objectives are KILL ITACHI KILL NARUTO KILL DANZO KILL EVERY LEAVING CREATURE IN THE LEAF that doesnt saound antihero at all

[Lucky Star]

he sank so much in darkness anyway and the odds are that no body would forgive him anyway ,how could the villagers let him in knowing that he wore the akatsuki cloak and that he had injured his comrades and the team assined to retrieve him and was the cause of their almost deaths and the ACTUAL death of some.He wanted to kidnap killer be you think that his older brother will let it pass if he sees sasuke again i dont see him being saved either becuase he seems to be getting crazier chapter by chapter and one chapter you think he could be saved and then BAM he lost his chance a long time ago..and as for naruto although he wants him back i dont know (if he ever saves sasuke) how he will be able to look in his face after he tried killing him , sakura,and kakashi there will always be the WHAt IF HE DID IT AGAIN

IKR but I just can't see him dying in battle still evil... I guess we'll have to wait and see *sigh*

[merryGOflava]

other then his teammates i dont remember him saving anybody and shouldnt an anti hero have an objective of doing good but in the wrong way...and as far as i am concerned all his objectives are KILL ITACHI KILL NARUTO KILL DANZO KILL EVERY LEAVING CREATURE IN THE LEAF that doesnt saound antihero at all

actually he did do good things! he just didnt do it intentionally :3

he killed 2 akatsuki members that did some good for naruto :3
he set orochimaru's prisoners free
he helped defeat danzou who was turining crazy already with his crazy ideals.
and when he was training with orochimaru he never killed his opponents which was cool of him :3

sure shes strayed off the good path and did some bad things, but so did zuko, he helped azula take down aang which could have killed him but aang still forgave him later. zuko burned down a village and chased the avatar for most of the story XDDD and now hes cool XD

[candycane-chan]

IKR but I just can't see him dying in battle still evil... I guess we'll have to wait and see *sigh*

as much as he would deserve it and as much it would fit for him to die directly after returning back to the good side i myself cant see him dying,,after everything naruto and sakura did save him and they will be heartbroken and also kishi always tends to make a twist so im not worried

Edited by candycane-chan, 25 August 2012 - 07:00 PM.